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Mr Nobody
04-07-2013, 07:36 AM
Ok. I have no interest in starting a studio or anything like that. However, a girl that I am friends with has been begging me for a long time to be her boss. (I have looked after her for 7+ years now)

If I do this, I will be the "boss" for her, and 2 of her co-workers. The % they get right now is pathetic. I dont understand why they cant be their own boss. I do know that they are scared of police etc as being a web cam model in phils is illegal, so that might be part of it. If I do this for my friend, I have no intention of 'expanding' and doing this for more girls (so dont ask, I only want to look after my friend and cant afford more friends right now :P)

I have NFID on what is needed to do this. I have no idea if I would need to pay taxes. Is there anything that would stop me from paying the girls 100% (minus any paypal fees of course)
I am in Australia, the girls live / work in the phils and have their own pc and connection (their current boss is US i think which explains the pathetic commissions.).

I still dont know my way around this forum, so please, if there is a thread about this already, please post the link to that thread and then close this thread.

(mods, If i have posted this in the wrong spot, please move it for me, and please accept my apologies)

Djoser
04-07-2013, 12:02 PM
My candid advice is to watch your ass--because it's a great way to lose it, financially speaking. It's a horrible time to start an adult website or camsite, especially if you haven't researched the business very thoroughly. And especially dealing with a foreign country.

Check out the Ynot forum run by one of our members for a whole bunch of excellent threads on starting and running a webcam business. But the main problem for solo webcam girls (as I understand it) is generating traffic. The biggest sites currently have a death grip on traffic. Though I know a few of our members have done pretty well on their own, like Loveshooks for instance.

Also, be forewarned that this is primarily a forum for women, and they are tired of seeing all the guys coming here asking how to start a site or run it well. So some of the women will be skeptical of your intentions and also of your chances for success. Your intentions sound good to me, but I'd advise donning a thick skin here or in some of the industry forums.

I know a lot of these guys are idiots, schmucks, geeks, and losers...however...of course...not every guy curious about starting an adult business or camsite is hellbent on rapaciously manipulating the potential models and taking all their hard earned cash without lifting a finger.

Some of these guys are willing to bust their fucking asses and spend a lot of money trying to help a model or group of models. I know because I did it myself. The possession of a dick & balls does not obviate a genuine desire to generate income for the women of the industry.

I have a good friend who has a lot of Philippine models on his camsite, I'll see what his perspective is on this, and maybe he'll even come post a reply.

roast
04-07-2013, 12:52 PM
I know a lot of these guys are idiots, schmucks, geeks, and losers...however...of course...not every guy curious about starting an adult business or camsite is hellbent on rapaciously manipulating the potential models and taking all their hard earned cash without lifting a finger.

Some of these guys are willing to bust their fucking asses and spend a lot of money trying to help a model or group of models. I know because I did it myself. The possession of a dick & balls does not obviate a genuine desire to generate income for the women of the industry.

.................................................. ............. youre conflating webcam site with virtual studio.



OP, on every major site scroll to the bottom of the mainpage and youll see "studios wanted" or some version of that. Youd click and then follow the instructions. Most sites wont payout to studios via PayPal but it is your choice if you want to pay your models (friends?) that way. If these friends are on a site where they want to switch from their virtual studio to yours you may run into a hassle depending on the site, Streamate.com tends to be the trickiest, Imlive is known to be among the easiest. There is a possibility they will have to start a brand new profile depending on the site itself.

It is admirable you want them to retain all of their earnings - be aware though that on every adult webmaster forum the top complaint from studio owners iare models hounding them for payments (or loans)... and on sites like this the top complaint about studios is not getting paid on time or at all. So it isnt a seamless enterprise and calculating for model how much youre retaining then paying that back + fees for paying it, etc etc may be more timecnsuming if not more expensive than it seems. PayPal isnt terribly reliable (or supported in their TOS) when it comes to adult payouts, also if youre using an account that is not bank verified your payout limit will be $5,000 and if there is a huge spike in payments to a variety of email addresses, PP may ask you what is going on. Http://wwww.payoneer.com/ tends to be the top payout method for international performers, having an account will be easier for you to start out if this is something you want to do.

Yes you would need to pay taxes on the income. Be aware a number of bigbox sites issue 1099s to studios.

However the user OJenni here has publicly said that she runs a virtual studio for models in East Asia, Im not sure for what site & I dont know if she redistributes the funds, but if you want to be handsoffish for your friend's income -- asking for her references or just PMing her may be a good option since she presumably has that set in stone. There are a very very small handful of studios that have more positive feedback from international performers than not (often studios have negative feedback, gender regardless), if you would like those, let us know and we can post them. Poking around the site to look for reviews of certain studios may also help (a big one oft used here by international models is "DailyPay" but that is only for Streamate, Adultwork, and MyFreecams).

Site where online studios are often discussed are: http://www.gfy.com/ and http://www.blackhatworld.com/. The nuts and bolts of running studios arent discussed here very often for a battery of reasons.

Djoser
04-07-2013, 12:55 PM
Great reply thanks Roast!

Also you have to watch out using Paypal, because if they find out you are using their service for adult stuff they can confiscate your money I hear!

Mr Nobody
04-07-2013, 06:18 PM
First, thankyou to all for taking the time to respond. It is highly appreciated.QUOTE=Djoser;2474863]Also, be forewarned that this is primarily a forum for women, and they are tired of seeing all the guys coming here asking how to start a site or run it well. So some of the women will be skeptical of your intentions and also of your chances for success. Your intentions sound good to me, but I'd advise donning a thick skin here or in some of the industry forums.I have a good friend who has a lot of Philippine models on his camsite, I'll see what his perspective is on this, and maybe he'll even come post a reply.[/QUOTE]Again, i am not sure on how it works but when i say studio, she used to work on streamate (amoung other sites.)The sites usually take 1/3 ithink, and the studio boss takes a very big slice.I know this is a site mainly for girls to hang out and relax without having guys continously wanting to take advantage of them and thats why i am here (and why i rarely post anything)There might be other suggestions for studios that my friend can join. Where she can be paid a better amount. Its is one thing to be a webcam model, but it is not right to be screwed over on payment. i would love to see her working as her own boss. How do other webcam girls do it? I think part of her fear may be propaganda from her boss as a way of keeping all the girls working through him. Whatever the answer, there has to be a better way then the way she is doing things now.

Djoser
04-07-2013, 09:53 PM
Yeah I hear you man, it is shocking when you find out how little of that money some of these girls are making. That's all I wanted to do myself, get this girl a better percentage of what she was collecting already, and get paid for my time setting it all up. My idea was to set her up in her own website selling video clips first. But I didn't do enough research first, otherwise I would have found out that this is the worst time for the solo girl 'mom and pop' approach to the adult business.. The Walmart concept is winning everywhere it seems, even in the world of webcams lol.

roast
04-07-2013, 10:27 PM
Again, i am not sure on how it works but when i say studio, she used to work on streamate (amoung other sites.)The sites usually take 1/3 ithink, and the studio boss takes a very big slice.I know this is a site mainly for girls to hang out and relax without having guys continously wanting to take advantage of them and thats why i am here (and why i rarely post anything)There might be other suggestions for studios that my friend can join. Where she can be paid a better amount. Its is one thing to be a webcam model, but it is not right to be screwed over on payment. i would love to see her working as her own boss. How do other webcam girls do it? I think part of her fear may be propaganda from her boss as a way of keeping all the girls working through him. Whatever the answer, there has to be a better way then the way she is doing things now.

I figured you meant studio not website. There isnt much startup if any at all for webcamming that someone can do remotely for a model, so it is different enterprise altogether than website building, etc. There was a breakdown explaining virtual studios in this section that was a bit less biased than posts Ive made in Cammng Connection... but it is gone, so, sorry I cant link to it to clarify the difference but you seem to understand.

I appreciate the nature of this comment.

Quick correction, Streamate.com doesnt take 1/3, it actually takes a base of 65% of the model's earnings to start. So that is where most independent models in the UK, North America, Australia/NZ, Western World, etc begin is at 35% takehome of fees. However, streamate is one of the few sites that mandate that if youre a performer from certain countries (Phillipines is one of them) you *have* to sign up with a virtual studio, which starts the fees at about 3-6% MINIMUM. 10%+ is more common, esp for certain regions, including Phillipines, so she is probably taking home under 25% or more of fees earned. So basically what I would do to start on SM (as a US-based performer) is very different than what a model in the Philippines can do...... fucked up right?

What many performers in that region do is:
1. Theyre told by Streamate they can only join a contracted agency when they try to sign up, so they sign up with that one
2. A friend of theirs in the region sets up them via word of mouth which is the same studio them and a bunch of others are in
3. They work in a physical studio which locks them into a virtual studio account
4. They somehow are able to circumvent #1-3 and look for other answers.

DailyPay (http://www.adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/) is one option international SM models use (search the site for some references for this payout service, it also has its own forum: http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/index.php but id suggest due diligence and make your own decisions), also the member I mentioned has said she has some experience with performers in East Asia. IDK if she's working from home(?) or in a studio, but given the legality of webcamming in the Philippines you and she may want to tread very very carefully? You mention propaganda and her studio bosses and idk what that means but if she's being threatened or may potentially be threatened.... idk your relationship to them but this is... trickier than it seems on the surface.

Also having a studio acct with SM especially doesnt mean you can assist every country unfortunately - certain ones new studio accts are barred from assisting offthebat, idk if Phillipines is one of them, but it might be? If you venture into asking the site siteself, Id strongly suggest not naming the models (like even indirectly, aka dont ask from your customer account) bc they can get in trouble for offline contact, discussing payout (it is against the rules to do that per model's agreements), etc. So, this is a really murky element of camming? For example, her studio may/probably does have your friend's passwords and signin info on their Streamate console, so if you all are discussing this - best to keep it out of SM's private messaging system? It is in her studios best interest to retain her, so if theyre privvy to her/her friends trying to switch out elsewhere it may even harder for them to leave,l ykwim.

My best suggestion is offset them getting new SM accounts to DailyPay (see links above but do duediligence, tons of reviews, FAQs, etc about that site) or PM (private message) the user Ojenni as she's mentioned models in East Asia and studios before.

Also the user 'Akuk' posted here about helping his Streamate model friend transition from one very loww paying virtual studio to a different one and posted here for advice... so looking up his name here for his posts may help as well (or even PMing him as well).

We may have performers from the Philipines who can weigh in, but barring that this is the best of my secondhand information Ive gleaned over the past year or so. Best of luck.

Mr Nobody
04-10-2013, 02:59 AM
Quick correction, Streamate.com doesnt take 1/3, it actually takes a base of 65% of the model's earnings to start. So that is where most independent models in the UK, North America, Australia/NZ, Western World, etc begin is at 35% takehome of fees.
that is crazy... In my book, that is unacceptable.

I know this might sound silly, but there is a few men that would happily consider changing from one site to another if they knew that girls would earn a better commission.

I dont really want to say or admint anything, (but well you know that I am male so i guess its to late to deny it...) anyway, if I had known what a rip off SM was, I never would have joined them in the first place.

laurielegs
04-10-2013, 05:05 AM
that is crazy... In my book, that is unacceptable.

I know this might sound silly, but there is a few men that would happily consider changing from one site to another if they knew that girls would earn a better commission.

I dont really want to say or admint anything, (but well you know that I am male so i guess its to late to deny it...) anyway, if I had known what a rip off SM was, I never would have joined them in the first place.

You can call it a ripoff all you want but the fact is they have actual paying traffic. There are plenty of choices out there if a host wants to keep more of what she brings in, but she better have her own customers for most of them. If I have a customer I found on my own I'm likely not even going to go through a site at all. I'll just use my own processor.

The 35% is because they give me the traffic. Sure I'd like a higher percentage, but the sites that have a higher percentage usually do not provide consistent money (and I've tried most all of the top sites).

I'll take 35% of a lot of money any day over 100% of nothing!

Mr Nobody
04-10-2013, 06:11 AM
I'll take 35% of a lot of money any day over 100% of nothing!

You make a good point. I know my friend is working really hard busting her butt for almost nothing, but I had no idea how bad the entire industry was. If the option is stay for low salary, or change and have 100% of nothing, then there really seems to be little options available.

Thankyou to everyone.

Can a passing mod please close this thread.

laurielegs
04-10-2013, 02:50 PM
You make a good point. I know my friend is working really hard busting her butt for almost nothing, but I had no idea how bad the entire industry was. If the option is stay for low salary, or change and have 100% of nothing, then there really seems to be little options available.

If I were trying to help a friend living in that situation and in a country where studios were required I'd direct her to the DailyPay folks referenced above. I've used them and they were quite reliable and easy to work with. She will keep way more of her money (from what I understand I think around 30%).

Mr Nobody
04-10-2013, 05:59 PM
If I were trying to help a friend living in that situation and in a country where studios were required I'd direct her to the DailyPay folks referenced above. I've used them and they were quite reliable and easy to work with. She will keep way more of her money (from what I understand I think around 30%).

yeah i did, I think that is a good site, but this is her EXACT reply from our IM. (only edit i made was name removed for obvious reasons (or mainly that I dont like sharing))


but now they do not accpet yet model from phil
on dailyday only britist can apply
an english


That was her reply. I didnt see any restriction when I looked over the site. I think when I have time I will have to try it myself and see if I can walk her through it. It might be that with low computer skills, and with english as her second language there might be a small issue that she hasnt understood that prevented her from joining.

Djoser
04-10-2013, 07:40 PM
Everyone has been very polite and respectful, I am very happy about that. But if you want I can still close the thread, it's up to you. Someone might have something else helpful to say, who knows?

I am currently helping a new model set up her Clips4Sale studio. She's such a cutie and a very sweet girl, I am very happy for her. Glad to see I am not alone in trying to do the right thing. Kudos to you Mr Nobody.

Will check back shortly and close thread if you want.

Kayden
04-18-2013, 10:50 PM
but now they do not accpet yet model from phil
on dailyday only britist can apply
an english


There is actually an active member on DP forums (http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/) who I know is from Philippines. I would take this to mean that, yes, DP does, in fact, accept members from Philippines.

AmyLynne
04-21-2013, 04:46 PM
If you do it with a physical location its probably better but more costly. We put like 80k into the one we built and I sold it to a new porn producer for 110 so a nice profit. Online has too many sharks and assholes involved. Camming is dying!