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DoodlebugBites
04-19-2013, 01:32 PM
Hesitant to jump in here, but I just wanted to weigh in on the practice of giving out show incentives–sometimes people do things for other than the obvious reasons. When I give pix or vids out, the guys have to message to get it, and I get to start a conversation with them and give them things to think about when I am offline. It's really not about making my goal. I actually give these things out anyway because I am on SM to make money for an activity and not my content, which I produce for other ventures.

If I was only producing it for SM, it would not make sense money-wise because of the cut. But I have it anyway, and my SM fans are not likely to find me on content sites because they're not on SM to buy content, either, but to form a connection with a model. Once they that, they want all the goodies. It makes then happy, plus I like doing that for them. I love taking care of my guys, what can I say?

For me, it's more like sending nakey photos to a boyfriend to keep his mind (and other parts) tingling when I am away. One of my fans said he wanted to sleep with my picture under his pillow. As Martha would say, that's a good thing.

AliceFun
04-19-2013, 02:09 PM
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I dont know how to quote that post into this thread but i will paste a screenshot of the exact post, sorry if this is inadequate but i dont wanna be considered a liar or that i make things up, yes the wording is not 100% exact (i recalled it from memory) but that was the idea.
If mods consider i cross the rules here pls feel free to remove my posts, quote, message; i am sorry if i hurt anyone with my posts, was never my intention. JAC, u gave me all the support i needed sweetie, sharing ur experience and feelings is all i need, i know i am not alone in this and i send u all my love, stay strong and fight the system, i try to do the same. Love vibes to everyone!!

TheBrownFox
04-19-2013, 03:11 PM
Yes, she said less than minimum wage is a disgrace...not Incantatious the person. Now let's move on from this topic.

Clips4Sale is a great site for passive income. :) One of these days while my son is in school, I'm gonna borrow his container of Super Miracle Bubbles to go out back and make a bubble-blowing clip. I'm not gonna bother trying to go out front to do it, because I'm sure my nosey neighbor will be all up in the cam talking about "(my real name), what are you doing?" LMAO. I also wanna take a look to see what the top-selling clip categories seem to be. I've tried making clips of myself in the shower, but my shower clips don't look sexy at all...lol. So instead, I just took snapshots from the clip so that I at least have a few sexy new pictures.

JaneBurgess
04-19-2013, 04:34 PM
I agree. I don't knock the performers that do Gold shows or give extra's away. i was responding to a posting. I personally don't do Gold shows, because I don't like them for me. I always kinda laugh on here because if you aren't into something some people think you are knocking it. You have to do what works best for you and what you are comfortable with. I prefer small groups or one on one shows.





I run a lot of gold shows and I never, ever give any extras away.

I also have one of the highest per minute prices on the site.

So what if guys expect it? Fuck em! I personally love the fact that other girls give so much stuff away for free. It is how I can charge such a high per minute price.

All it takes is for you to just say that you are worth more per minute and never ever justify yourself to anyone who asks why. It blow guys minds. Sure, a lot of guys will complain. I silently ban those guys. The small amount that are left do pay.

I am not knocking other girls hustles. I completely understand that you can make bank giving stuff away and I cheer them on to get that money with whatever hustle works for them. That is their hustle, and this just happens to be mine.

There can be opportunities to hustle in any situation. You just have to look for them.

JaneBurgess
04-19-2013, 04:41 PM
Huh? You basically said the same thing I did. I said some performers do Gold shows, I said some performers give stuff away and I also said performers do what they have to do to make their goals.

I also think performers that have done shows for years know what they are doing. If we didn't, we wouldn't have lasted as long as we have. Most of us aren't just cam performers. We have our own websites, do photo and video shoots. We are well aware of how the whole industry changed, not just the cam portion.




Do you think the top performers who sell tons of stuff with every show are as successful as they are because of the stuff they sell along with GOLD shows?

Sure many top performers sell many things with their shows, but does that mean a simple equation of "give-aways = success"?

Like I said, I could show you many rooms where there are many giveaways, and no tippers.
I can also show you rooms where there are NO incentives, and tippers for miles. This, to me, is proof that you don't need to give away free shit with your show to see success. It also shows me that if I start doing giveaways with my shows, there is absolutely NO guarantee that I will see the same kind of success as that of a top girl who is selling pics, vids, etc.

Like I said - putting a performers success purely down to her giveaways is completely missing the point.
It is still entirely possible to be a very successful high-earner without selling things with your shows.

Whilst yes, this is an industry in which you can have 7+ years of experience in, and that experience work to your disadvantage because you are doing the same things today that you were doing many years ago, and times have changed but your expectations haven't, in a constantly changing industry. But the thing is, it's clear as day to me that what sells is still personality, entertainment, branding... same as always, and the same with every single other business in entertainment.

How easily do you think guys would take even the idea of spending $5 or more on a porn clip from a camgirl who has turned her camming job into a porn selling show, versus going to see any and as much of the billions of completely free porn clips and videos online of his choice? If you want to sell a black cat to a witch who already has many, many black cats, you're going to need something extra to make her part with her cash. The top performers who have sharp hustle, work their niches, and make awesome entertainers probably want to make a little extra cash with other sales, and it works for them. But take away their hustle and ability to hold a crowd, and no amount of pics and vid sets will help them.

The apocalyptic hysteria of "OMFG what it takes to do good now! Ew.. Nowadays I need to sell all these other things to be successful!" doesn't hold itself up.

If the entire business model of camming had changed to what so many camming vets (who were around back in the day) are currently fearing is the reality of camming now, then you should expect success by selling pics and videos. But you cannot.
If you want to base your camming career around vid and pic sales, you can, but you don't have to. And if you do, you should not expect success. If you want to base your camming career around being a great entertainer - additional sales or not - expect success.

JaneBurgess
04-19-2013, 05:01 PM
Damn that was pretty harsh.



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I dont know how to quote that post into this thread but i will paste a screenshot of the exact post, sorry if this is inadequate but i dont wanna be considered a liar or that i make things up, yes the wording is not 100% exact (i recalled it from memory) but that was the idea.
If mods consider i cross the rules here pls feel free to remove my posts, quote, message; i am sorry if i hurt anyone with my posts, was never my intention. JAC, u gave me all the support i needed sweetie, sharing ur experience and feelings is all i need, i know i am not alone in this and i send u all my love, stay strong and fight the system, i try to do the same. Love vibes to everyone!!

GlamourRouge
04-19-2013, 06:35 PM
Wait, we are still talking about this? Wasn't Fridays banned months ago? lol.

You guys, Fridays was talking about something different, and you guys were arguing something different.

FRIDAYS meant girls who earn like $5 per hour on cam. YOU GUYS took it as girls who earn like a total of $50 a day on cam, which IS minimum wage, but most girls make around that in an hour or 2 or less. Pretty sure Fridays meant girls who make $5 an hour working 8 hours a day, NOT girls who make $50 an hour and only work 1 hour a day. And I'm pretty sure she is referring to girls who do that on the REGULAR, not those who have the occasional dead day where they make like nothing. Incantatious already said she belonged to the working-like-1-hour-a-day club (back then), NOT the working-8-hours-for-$40-club. Big difference.

Big, big, big BIG difference between working 8 hours for $40 a day versus working 1 hour a day for $40. BIG difference. And I agree that the first one should quit camming because its not worth it. But the second one should NOT quit camming because there is probably a reason why they work so few hours (health, kids, school, whatever).

I don't think that comment was that nice, but you guys are still arguing 2 different things. And it will never be resolved because Fridays was banned so she cannot comment or clarify.

DoodlebugBites
04-19-2013, 08:34 PM
I've tried making clips of myself in the shower, but my shower clips don't look sexy at all...lol. So instead, I just took snapshots from the clip so that I at least have a few sexy new pictures.

Same here–my showering and shampooing clips were fails. Why is that?

But getting some snaps from them is genuis! Come to think of it, I used a snap from one as one of my first SM profile pix. Guys loved it, so who knows why didn't I do more of them. I just have so many ideas floating around at any given moment–so thank you for reminding me to do that. It makes me feel that it wasn't a colossal waste of time.

Bathroom shiz takes forever to set up! :/

Incantatious
04-20-2013, 02:45 AM
Huh? You basically said the same thing I did. I said some performers do Gold shows, I said some performers give stuff away and I also said performers do what they have to do to make their goals.

You did say that, but you also were saying "It has nothing to do with looks anymore. It used to be if you were smoking hot you had show after show after show. It isn't like that anymore. Gold shows are about how much shit you give away with your show." and "So these guys are expecting all these goodies now for a four or five bucks. It's one of the reasons I don't do Gold shows." ~ points I disagreed with, which I then elaborated on in my refuting post.


I also think performers that have done shows for years know what they are doing. If we didn't, we wouldn't have lasted as long as we have. Most of us aren't just cam performers. We have our own websites, do photo and video shoots. We are well aware of how the whole industry changed, not just the cam portion.

I beg to disagree here. This very thread is dedicated to veteran cam performers wanting help on how to "compete in these ever changing times". I also know a decent handful of veteran webcam performers who treat camming the same as it was when they started, and not only loathe the way camming has changed, but refuse to adapt to it, because they hate it. They get by on minimal amounts, complain incessantly to others about the way things are now, and yet they shun any alternative viewpoint that is provided to instill some hope in them that they can still do well again and it doesn't need to be doomsday for them.

If I'm being completely honest, the vibe I get from some veteran camgirls, is that camming used to be quite easy. (I am openly pretty ignorant where "camming history" is concerned - all my knowledge of that comes from shreds of info and experiences that other camgirls have spoken of, which naturally will be mixed). Going from what some veteran camgirls have said, the impression I have been left with is: If you were female, moderately attractive, had a basic webcam, and basic internet, you could do pretty well. Very little requirements were needed. If you had the basics, you were good to go.

It's as though by comparison now, the way to make decent money is extremely difficult. I assume that in their eyes, there are way more things to worry about and work on now than there was when they started: Great lighting, expensive business-standard internet, keeping your eye on upload speed, HD tech, top of the range computers and laptops, standing out from the other performers, and what I was speaking about before: having showmanship and being a good entertainer. Many more hoops to jump through nowadays, which seems to have spawned some confusion or ill-feeling about "what it takes" to do well now.


^^^this

there's nothing to be gained from bringing up old posts in old threads. It's not outing, it's just neither productive (in that there's nothing illuminating about the post) nor fair (in that she's not here to respond).

Old drama serves no one's interests here. I think this thread is important in that adaptation and change is something we ALL face, so let's keep it on topic please

Thank you Loves and GlamourRouge. <3

AliceFun
04-20-2013, 09:59 AM
"Feeling differently about "what it takes" to be successful, I frequently find myself disagreeing with such performers, and I do enjoy trying to demonstrate to them that there is still hope for them."

So is not about helping others find their ways to success but about urself enjoying & trying to demonstrate ur points?!
How altruistic! Now i understand why u post all these long full of 'wisdom' comments, u like to show off, have people bow down saying "wow, how true", getting thanks, being somebody important here?! Correct me if i am wrong but this is the feeling i get just now.

Also, how can u help people going thru a transition when u dont have the transition experience urself?! Why its irritating you to see performers complaining, is complaining not allowed here or what? If u have valuable input and want to help do it cause u altruistic not because its irritating u and u need to demonstrate how right and wise you are.

Are u doing good now, feeling ok, powerful and strong? God bless u! Just dont hit on the ones that are/feel down now. Even u dont do it directly u doing it subtly. Correct me if i am wrong, i expect now a very long full of wisdom message where u'll aim to get people attention with ur wisdom.
Go on :)

loveshooks
04-20-2013, 10:29 AM
^^^Incantatious has been incredibly candid about both her successes and her struggles with camming. You're perfectly within your rights to make the statement above, I'm just not sure as to how you could come to that conclusion. We all know chicas who are locked in one style of doing things who fall apart when it stops working...that's NOT an attack on any particular member or category of members (veterans vs new chicas). For every veteran who struggles with change there are 5 new cam chicas who try out what they think will work and give up when it doesn't. They're unprepared to try something new when what they're doing doesn't work. Resistance to change is a human trait with which we ALL struggle. We're hard wired to resist change, no matter how long we've been in the industry. Pointing out that cammers who do adapt to change will tend to succeed isn't a slur against those struggling with change, it's an inspiring conclusion arrived at based on observable evidence.

The best and the scariest thing about camming is that we're entrepreneurs, and what Incantatious is saying (how I read it anyways) is that entrepreneurs must constantly adapt. Entrepreneurship is about adaptation, in every field, in every industry. I've only been camming for 4 years but in each year my business has been vastly different than the year before, different strategies, styles, sites, etc. I suspect the same will be true next year, the year after that and so on. If I did exactly what I did two years ago I'd be broke as fuck right now. No doubt if I did exactly what I'm doing now two years from now I'd be struggling then too.


This very thread is dedicated to veteran cam performers wanting help on how to "compete in these ever changing times"

exactly. The operative phrase being 'ever changing'. Commenting on the fact that cammers of all ages, all stages of length in the business need to be prepared to adapt to change isn't gloating, it's the best damn advice a cam chica could give on this forum. Changing conditions doesn't mean we're doing something wrong, it means that as circumstances alter so must our strategies, our reactions. Change is scary, it's an 'unknown' but persistence and creativity can make inevitable change into something amazing for each chica prepared to embrace it in her own way.

How that could be perceived as 'hitting someone when they're down' confuses me. It's an empowering message that acknowledges that each of us possesses the keys to our own success, not an attack on those still in the process of finding those keys. Hell, since change is inevitable we're all constantly looking for those damn keys, no matter our current earnings levels. The point is to never underestimate the value of our own creativity in figuring out how to bank and keep banking.

Incantatious
04-20-2013, 11:06 AM
"Feeling differently about "what it takes" to be successful, I frequently find myself disagreeing with such performers, and I do enjoy trying to demonstrate to them that there is still hope for them."

So is not about helping others find their ways to success but about urself enjoying & trying to demonstrate ur points?!
How altruistic! Now i understand why u post all these long full of 'wisdom' comments, u like to show off, have people bow down saying "wow, how true", getting thanks, being somebody important here?! Correct me if i am wrong but this is the feeling i get just now.

Also, how can u help people going thru a transition when u dont have the transition experience urself?! Why its irritating you to see performers complaining, is complaining not allowed here or what? If u have valuable input and want to help do it cause u altruistic not because its irritating u and u need to demonstrate how right and wise you are.

Are u doing good now, feeling ok, powerful and strong? God bless u! Just dont hit on the ones that are/feel down now. Even u dont do it directly u doing it subtly. Correct me if i am wrong, i expect now a very long full of wisdom message where u'll aim to get people attention with ur wisdom.
Go on :)

Oh fuck... My secret is out.

I.. enjoy trying to help people. I know. How disgustingly selfish and tasteless of me. Yes, you're right. I type up all of these massive posts - for attention. Getting thanks is like a kind of crack to me.. some kind of addictive substance. I see them, and I just want to make more and more long-ass posts. It's a problem I've suffered with most of my life, and I promise you, I'll try to change. Sometimes I think that.. maybe if I loathed trying to help people and make more of an effort to just be a bit more half-assed in my advice, or even stopped trying full-stop, I'd be a better person. But no, I clearly have such a lack of self-respect for myself and others that I just block that out of my mind... ;)

Yes, of course complaining is allowed here. But this is also a forum where people like to share advice for those who are struggling. So, when you complain - and for the record, your lengthy complaints and struggles have actually had me scared for you: I am not exactly laughing at you, wanting to hurt you, or trying to kick you when you're down - for your own sanity, don't be shocked when people try to help you. Like, a lot...

I hate seeing fellow performers struggle, but the all the spite and malice you clearly have towards me is... interesting. If you think I'll waste another moment trying to help you, you "go on" ~ go on complaining. I'll sit back n watch. Hopefully someone will see your next upset post and either ignore you, or will manage to hit the nail on the head and give you advice that doesn't piss you off because they wanted to "show off" their wisdom. Your struggles have been incredibly hard to read, so I hope that venting on me has at least made you feel a little better. I do feel incredibly powerful and strong. I hope you do too.

"Wisdom comments" eh? ~ Cheers for the compliment. :)

laurielegs
04-20-2013, 11:30 AM
It did used to be easy. Super easy to make bank. I was so spoiled that I only worked part time and stupid enough to think it would go on forever. I was also only doing it on the side because I thought I needed to hang on to my corporate "career". Ugh. If only I could go back in time and talk to that young gal who had plenty of energy and tell her to quit the stupid soul-sucking job, cam FULL time and invest!

I do have to say though, I make more total than I did then because I work more hours, give it my full attention and try different things to see what works best.

The only sure thing in this biz is change. Hell, things that were working awesomely for me last MONTH aren't working this month. It's been crazy.

I've been so discouraged lately but it does make me feel better to know I'm not the only one. I'd have gone nuts if not for my fellow cam hosts.

I've changed my cam angles, changed my hustle a bit and things improved for me last night. I feel much better today. Gotta try different things - and eh, maybe its good because I actually feel less bored with my room now that I changed things up a bit.

Keep changing, keep hustling ladies! You'll find a way I'm sure if you keep at it.

justanothercamgirl
04-20-2013, 12:17 PM
I agree. I don't knock the performers that do Gold shows or give extra's away. i was responding to a posting. I personally don't do Gold shows, because I don't like them for me. I always kinda laugh on here because if you aren't into something some people think you are knocking it. You have to do what works best for you and what you are comfortable with. I prefer small groups or one on one shows.

I didn't think you were knocking it.

In fact I admire you because you don't do them.

I was just expressing my opinion.

justanothercamgirl
04-20-2013, 12:31 PM
"Feeling differently about "what it takes" to be successful, I frequently find myself disagreeing with such performers, and I do enjoy trying to demonstrate to them that there is still hope for them."

So is not about helping others find their ways to success but about urself enjoying & trying to demonstrate ur points?!
How altruistic! Now i understand why u post all these long full of 'wisdom' comments, u like to show off, have people bow down saying "wow, how true", getting thanks, being somebody important here?! Correct me if i am wrong but this is the feeling i get just now.

Also, how can u help people going thru a transition when u dont have the transition experience urself?! Why its irritating you to see performers complaining, is complaining not allowed here or what? If u have valuable input and want to help do it cause u altruistic not because its irritating u and u need to demonstrate how right and wise you are.

Are u doing good now, feeling ok, powerful and strong? God bless u! Just dont hit on the ones that are/feel down now. Even u dont do it directly u doing it subtly. Correct me if i am wrong, i expect now a very long full of wisdom message where u'll aim to get people attention with ur wisdom.
Go on :)

AliceFun: Incantatious is trying to help you the best she can. It is more than possible that she doesn't have the first idea about you and your situation. And that is all okay.

I am rather surprised by your vemon towards her and your obvious anger. As an outsider looking in, it really looks as if you are trying to punish her for having the opinion she currently holds. Incantatious is allowed to have her own opinion. If you believe it to be wrong, then laugh quietly too yourself and do what you believe is right.

Her opinion has no power over you or your ability to make money.

Incantatious
04-20-2013, 12:43 PM
AliceFun: Incantatious is trying to help you the best she can. It is more than possible that she doesn't have the first idea about you and your situation. And that is all okay.

I am rather surprised by your vemon towards her and your obvious anger. As an outsider looking in, it really looks as if you are trying to punish her for having the opinion she currently holds. Incantatious is allowed to have her own opinion. If you believe it to be wrong, then laugh quietly too yourself and do what you believe is right.

Her opinion has no power over you or your ability to make money.

^ This.

If anyone thinks I'm wrong about what it takes to be successful, you're more than entitled to think otherwise. Hell, shout it from the highest rooftop about what you think makes performers successful - swapping ideas about how to do well in this changing industry what this whole thread is about. It isn't like I make a post about what I think sells, and then sit on it like I'm The Almighty Righteous One and no one else could be right but me. Sure, I might disagree with some people - like not everyone agrees with everyone else constantly either - but, me disagreeing with some folks doesn't mean I think I hold the only opinion that could be right. If anyone thinks I do think that way... meh.. what other people think about me is none of my business. I am much more interested in discussing and finding the same success with my work that mah fellow camgirls are seeking.

simone87
04-20-2013, 12:53 PM
i think some people just want to complain and wallow instead of heeding very GOOD advice and bettering themselves and their hustle/camming career because that would take actual WORK. its much easier just to sit around and feel self-pity..that doesn't take any work, and if other's try and point something out that might work they get defensive because that ruins just doing nothing because they are struggling..venting is GREAT, but i love this board because it offers so much invaluable advice for getting OUT of your funk, and finding positive solutions. sorry to sound harsh, but incantatious offers some awesome advice, and she IS wise. its not hitting somebody when they are down to offer solutions instead of having a HUGe pity party..i never heard her being cruel or harsh.

AliceFun
04-20-2013, 01:08 PM
Ok, sorry, i have nothing personal with you Incantatious, dont know what actually pissed me off, maybe premenstrual syndrome or so, i admit i sometimes go over the limits, this is my sin, still i was not sure how genuine ur intention to help was, i had the feeling u dont really believe people have hard times finding their ways to success but u actually consider these people lazy cause they dont want to change?! guess that triggered me as u said people venting and complaining triggered u to make ur own comments.
Now if i bring up some valid points u answer with sarcastic comments, u'll quote Jane's comments again and again trying to prove ur points, come on, if i am guilty here u have ur portion of guilt too on pushing to prove ur ideas, u are not a saint either.

We should really make peace, we are a community here, we should not be enemies, i dont wanna be a snotty bitch, that's not me.
I apology for any harm i created towards you, i must say i really admire u, as i said i simply had the feeling you dont believe there is an issue with performers having problems trying to adjust but as u see and can read in many threads here people really have hard times pulling money out of member pockets lately, especially on SM things are bad for many.
Again, SORRY & ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES PLEASE :)

justanothercamgirl
04-20-2013, 05:13 PM
Now if i bring up some valid points u answer with sarcastic comments, u'll quote Jane's comments again and again trying to prove ur points, come on, if i am guilty here u have ur portion of guilt too on pushing to prove ur ideas, u are not a saint either.

AliceFun: Why does anyone have to be guilty of anything? Can't we all just be awesome camgirls who each have our own unique way of doing things and our own unique opinions to express?

There is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to be a camgirl. We all just try to do the best we can, the best way we can.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1548078/dead-poets-society-o.gif (http://gifsoup.com/view/1548078/dead-poets-society.html)

AliceFun
04-20-2013, 05:34 PM
Yes, u soo right JAC, i am not perfect but a human with feelings, good and bad sides same like everyone else. let's be friends cause we all on the same side of our computers, we all want our members money and attention. Have Peace, lots of Love & looots of Money!

JaneBurgess
04-20-2013, 06:35 PM
If you had bothered to read what I was responding to, then you know know why I posted that.

Just because veteran cam performers say they hate the way sites have changed, doesn't mean they haven't adapted. To last years in this industry you had to have adapted. I also don't think they shun different viewpoints. They just don't want to do certain things that they see as selling out or cheapening themselves. That's why they do what they do and other performers do what they do. If you do shit just for the money but you really hate it, you usually end up regretting it later on.

Frankly I think it was harder then. You couldn't log in with no make-up, hair undone and in street clothes. Guys wanted nice lingerie and full make-up. Personality will always be key in camming. I almost think it's easier now because you have Gold shows and tipping in free chat. You can also show your tits and be fully naked in free chat on many cam sites. As talked about on here already you can sell video's and picture sets, we didn't have that. So no, it wasn't easier back then. Cam sites had requirements and they weren't crazy about alternative looks. A lot of performers now, would not have been allowed on many of the cam sites. There also weren't a lot of BBW's or older performers (late thirties and up) either. In that aspect I am happy cam sites have changed. It should be open to all likes of looks and ages.

I think everyone should keep up to date on things. Not just equipment but cam sites. Many cam sites that were once huge are now second rate. Streamate is good now, but that can change at anytime. I've seen it happen over and over again. Always have a backup plan to camming. Save your money when you can too. It's always important to be prepared for when you have to switch sites or retire.




You did say that, but you also were saying "It has nothing to do with looks anymore. It used to be if you were smoking hot you had show after show after show. It isn't like that anymore. Gold shows are about how much shit you give away with your show." and "So these guys are expecting all these goodies now for a four or five bucks. It's one of the reasons I don't do Gold shows." ~ points I disagreed with, which I then elaborated on in my refuting post.



I beg to disagree here. This very thread is dedicated to veteran cam performers wanting help on how to "compete in these ever changing times". I also know a decent handful of veteran webcam performers who treat camming the same as it was when they started, and not only loathe the way camming has changed, but refuse to adapt to it, because they hate it. They get by on minimal amounts, complain incessantly to others about the way things are now, and yet they shun any alternative viewpoint that is provided to instill some hope in them that they can still do well again and it doesn't need to be doomsday for them.

If I'm being completely honest, the vibe I get from some veteran camgirls, is that camming used to be quite easy. (I am openly pretty ignorant where "camming history" is concerned - all my knowledge of that comes from shreds of info and experiences that other camgirls have spoken of, which naturally will be mixed). Going from what some veteran camgirls have said, the impression I have been left with is: If you were female, moderately attractive, had a basic webcam, and basic internet, you could do pretty well. Very little requirements were needed. If you had the basics, you were good to go.

It's as though by comparison now, the way to make decent money is extremely difficult. I assume that in their eyes, there are way more things to worry about and work on now than there was when they started: Great lighting, expensive business-standard internet, keeping your eye on upload speed, HD tech, top of the range computers and laptops, standing out from the other performers, and what I was speaking about before: having showmanship and being a good entertainer. Many more hoops to jump through nowadays, which seems to have spawned some confusion or ill-feeling about "what it takes" to do well now.



Thank you Loves and GlamourRouge. <3

JaneBurgess
04-20-2013, 06:40 PM
I didn't mean you. I said I didn't do them before and someone thought I was was knocking them. I tried them before and they just made me feel weird. if you have ever seen an auction of animals, I kind of felt like that. I didn't enjoy it at all.




I didn't think you were knocking it.

In fact I admire you because you don't do them.

I was just expressing my opinion.

justanothercamgirl
04-20-2013, 06:53 PM
I didn't mean you.

Oh good.

My apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion there.

cyberstripper
04-20-2013, 10:21 PM
LOL you guys so how about (insert your favorite tv show here) Since all of us are off topic, lets talk tv! I have a new love of my life, the ben show. It is like a grown up version of Andy Milonakis (or however u spell that kids name) A must-see I'll tells ya lol

Incantatious
04-21-2013, 02:28 AM
If you had bothered to read what I was responding to, then you know know why I posted that.

Err, okay? I'm not really sure why you have attitude too now, but yes I did read it, and if it was still your opinion, then what does it matter to whom or why or you posted that? This is still an interesting discussion is it not?


Just because veteran cam performers say they hate the way sites have changed, doesn't mean they haven't adapted. To last years in this industry you had to have adapted. I also don't think they shun different viewpoints.

Well, who is "they"? I didn't generalize and say "All veteran camgirls shun different viewpoints!" - I said I have known a handful who did. Veteran camgirls who rock the shit out of camming also exist. Some have adapted, some want help on how to better adapt. But it's still possible for a veteran to cam, and treat it largely the same way she did many years ago.


They just don't want to do certain things that they see as selling out or cheapening themselves. That's why they do what they do and other performers do what they do. If you do shit just for the money but you really hate it, you usually end up regretting it later on.

If by "selling out and cheapening themselves" you mean the whole "huge toys, free shit with GOLD shows, etc" bundle, I can understand why they see that as selling out or cheapening themselves if they're doing something they don't want to do for the money. However, that goes back to what I was saying earlier about the importance of being a good entertainer. If I can see girls who are selling masses of things with their GOLD shows, but not being compelling entertainers, they're liable to not do as well as a girl who is a fantastic entertainer with NOTHING to sell in her GOLD show. This is going from what I've seen.


Frankly I think it was harder then. You couldn't log in with no make-up, hair undone and in street clothes. Guys wanted nice lingerie and full make-up. Personality will always be key in camming. I almost think it's easier now because you have Gold shows and tipping in free chat. You can also show your tits and be fully naked in free chat on many cam sites. As talked about on here already you can sell video's and picture sets, we didn't have that. So no, it wasn't easier back then. Cam sites had requirements and they weren't crazy about alternative looks. A lot of performers now, would not have been allowed on many of the cam sites. There also weren't a lot of BBW's or older performers (late thirties and up) either. In that aspect I am happy cam sites have changed. It should be open to all likes of looks and ages.

I think everyone should keep up to date on things. Not just equipment but cam sites. Many cam sites that were once huge are now second rate. Streamate is good now, but that can change at anytime. I've seen it happen over and over again. Always have a backup plan to camming. Save your money when you can too. It's always important to be prepared for when you have to switch sites or retire.

Agreed. :) And cheers for sharing your experience and input with earlier camming.

JaneBurgess
04-21-2013, 02:08 PM
Sorry but if anyone has an attitude, it's you. You seem to want to argue and be snarky. There is nothing wrong with posting a different view, but you are pretty damn sarcastic about things. Everyone posts what they want to post on here and if you don't like it, move on.




Err, okay? I'm not really sure why you have attitude too now, but yes I did read it, and if it was still your opinion, then what does it matter to whom or why or you posted that? This is still an interesting discussion is it not?



Well, who is "they"? I didn't generalize and say "All veteran camgirls shun different viewpoints!" - I said I have known a handful who did. Veteran camgirls who rock the shit out of camming also exist. Some have adapted, some want help on how to better adapt. But it's still possible for a veteran to cam, and treat it largely the same way she did many years ago.



If by "selling out and cheapening themselves" you mean the whole "huge toys, free shit with GOLD shows, etc" bundle, I can understand why they see that as selling out or cheapening themselves if they're doing something they don't want to do for the money. However, that goes back to what I was saying earlier about the importance of being a good entertainer. If I can see girls who are selling masses of things with their GOLD shows, but not being compelling entertainers, they're liable to not do as well as a girl who is a fantastic entertainer with NOTHING to sell in her GOLD show. This is going from what I've seen.



Agreed. :) And cheers for sharing your experience and input with earlier camming.

JaneBurgess
04-21-2013, 02:15 PM
You are right, she is VERY sarcastic which is pretty annoying. You can share your views but I don't get the need to be a smart ass or argue about it. I also don't understand the need for other people to step in and defend her. All you have to do is read the responses and you can feel the sarcastic vibe. When I'm a bitch or smart ass I at least own up to it.



Ok, sorry, i have nothing personal with you Incantatious, dont know what actually pissed me off, maybe premenstrual syndrome or so, i admit i sometimes go over the limits, this is my sin, still i was not sure how genuine ur intention to help was, i had the feeling u dont really believe people have hard times finding their ways to success but u actually consider these people lazy cause they dont want to change?! guess that triggered me as u said people venting and complaining triggered u to make ur own comments.
Now if i bring up some valid points u answer with sarcastic comments, u'll quote Jane's comments again and again trying to prove ur points, come on, if i am guilty here u have ur portion of guilt too on pushing to prove ur ideas, u are not a saint either.

We should really make peace, we are a community here, we should not be enemies, i dont wanna be a snotty bitch, that's not me.
I apology for any harm i created towards you, i must say i really admire u, as i said i simply had the feeling you dont believe there is an issue with performers having problems trying to adjust but as u see and can read in many threads here people really have hard times pulling money out of member pockets lately, especially on SM things are bad for many.
Again, SORRY & ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES PLEASE :)

kortneykay
04-21-2013, 02:54 PM
Soooo I think I found out how to compete in these very hard times. Plug in more hours! Yep, that's my hustle. I've found out that if I leave my phones on and texting site up 24/7 so I don't miss many opportunities to make money, I actually make more money. If they overlap I simply log out of one or just let the call go through. I'm at my computer at least 15+ hours a day so I'd hope I'd be okay with camming for a chunk of those hours. I know it's not easy, and won't be but if I can strengthen my mental state and learn patience, I think I will do fine. I will be most likely split camming as well.

I see that a lot of models get impatient in free chat and will log off which may or may not be good. I believe if you've had enough you should definitely log off, or at least get a break. Hell, I plan on taking my weekends off, and soaking in a hot bubble bath daily to help with my mental state. Also, I will keep my phones/texting app up so that at least when I'm not in a show I can still make money. Anyone with me here?

Incantatious
04-21-2013, 03:09 PM
Sorry but if anyone has an attitude, it's you. You seem to want to argue and be snarky. There is nothing wrong with posting a different view, but you are pretty damn sarcastic about things. Everyone posts what they want to post on here and if you don't like it, move on.

You are right, she is VERY sarcastic which is pretty annoying. You can share your views but I don't get the need to be a smart ass or argue about it. I also don't understand the need for other people to step in and defend her. All you have to do is read the responses and you can feel the sarcastic vibe. When I'm a bitch or smart ass I at least own up to it.

Did you run out of on-topic points or something? If my own points are no longer being addressed, and instead I'm being dealt pointless attacks to my character, there's no real point in me further engaging in debate like you actually came back at me with something relevant and on-topic to the discussion, is there? That isn't me being a smart-ass bitch. That's knowing when a once-productive debate is no longer productive.

For the record, I think the discussions and debates us lot have been having here on this topic have been extremely productive, interesting and hopefully helpful to other camgirls in the OPs position. It would be a horrible shame if this thread has to be closed now.

[EDIT] - LMAO! I just re-read my last response to you... The last thing I said to you was that I was in agreement with you about something, and I thanked you for informing me! But err *ahem* yeah.. totally snarky sarcastic smart-ass bitch here..

[MOAR EDIT] - I don't want this thread clooooosed! :) If you have a problem or issue with me (as a person, camgirl, masturbating mass debator... etc), and want to talk about it, I think there's a queue and some anti-Incantatious stickers going now?

JaneBurgess
04-21-2013, 03:21 PM
What do you expect? You like to argue and you always assume you are right. There isn't any point in debating someone you. Just like you took over the pedo thread with what you think is right. You are not an expert on everything related to camming, so stop trying to act like one.




Did you run out of on-topic points or something? If my own points are no longer being addressed, and instead I'm being dealt pointless attacks to my character, there's no real point in me further engaging in debate like you actually came back at me with something relevant and on-topic to the discussion, is there? That isn't me being a smart-ass bitch. That's knowing when a once-productive debate is no longer productive.

For the record, I think the discussions and debates us lot have been having here on this topic have been extremely productive, interesting and hopefully helpful to other camgirls in the OPs position. It would be a horrible shame if this thread has to be closed now.

TheBrownFox
04-21-2013, 04:03 PM
Wow, I'm stunned right now. I think Incantatious is one of the most positive ladies on this forum, and even during times when I feel like she should tell somebody off, she shows great restraint and tries to keep it civil. I think she's one of the best posters on here (speaks so eloquently and communicates things better than I can), and I think her posts are very inspirational. I have never considered her 'judgemental', 'bitchy', or a 'Miss Know-It-All'. I'm sad to see you ladies fighting.




Soooo I think I found out how to compete in these very hard times. Plug in more hours! Yep, that's my hustle. I've found out that if I leave my phones on and texting site up 24/7 so I don't miss many opportunities to make money, I actually make more money. If they overlap I simply log out of one or just let the call go through. I'm at my computer at least 15+ hours a day so I'd hope I'd be okay with camming for a chunk of those hours. I know it's not easy, and won't be but if I can strengthen my mental state and learn patience, I think I will do fine. I will be most likely split camming as well.

I see that a lot of models get impatient in free chat and will log off which may or may not be good. I believe if you've had enough you should definitely log off, or at least get a break. Hell, I plan on taking my weekends off, and soaking in a hot bubble bath daily to help with my mental state. Also, I will keep my phones/texting app up so that at least when I'm not in a show I can still make money. Anyone with me here?

I agree! :) I think it's great for cam girls to do other things besides just live camming, and to give yourself at least 1 or 2 days off per week. People who work Monday-Friday work weeks get to have the weekends off, so why can't we? I think I'd go crazy if I cammed on MFC every day of the week...lol. On my days off, I like to watch t.v. or a movie while logged into AdultWork paid chat only mode. Why do I still log onto AW on my "days off?" Because the free chat sites are really what I'm taking off from. LOL.

kortneykay
04-21-2013, 04:20 PM
On my days off, I like to watch t.v. or a movie while logged into AdultWork paid chat only mode. Why do I still log onto AW on my "days off?" Because the free chat sites are really what I'm taking off from. LOL.

I totally understand and I'll do the same once I put in enough hours on Imlive. I mean, unless I'm out of the house or completely hating camming on my days off, I may as well make some money staying logged in. I also forgot to mention that I still do texting and phone sex on the weekends for X amount of hours as well. I'm going from not paying rent for 2 full years to having to pay in about 4 short months so I can't mess around with not being available as much as I can.

Marina Starr
04-21-2013, 05:22 PM
Incantatious knows I love her and so are many on here. That's all I wanted to say.
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JaneBurgess
04-21-2013, 06:26 PM
I would agree if she could make her points and moved on, not keep beating a dead horse. However I don't find it cool that she chooses to try to keep arguing via PM messages. I have zero interest in arguing with anyone on here. Forums are a place where you post your opinions, right or wrong. If you don't like an opinion it isn't your place to tell people they are wrong.




Wow, I'm stunned right now. I think Incantatious is one of the most positive ladies on this forum, and even during times when I feel like she should tell somebody off, she shows great restraint and tries to keep it civil. I think she's one of the best posters on here (speaks so eloquently and communicates things better than I can), and I think her posts are very inspirational. I have never considered her 'judgemental', 'bitchy', or a 'Miss Know-It-All'. I'm sad to see you ladies fighting.





I agree! :) I think it's great for cam girls to do other things besides just live camming, and to give yourself at least 1 or 2 days off per week. People who work Monday-Friday work weeks get to have the weekends off, so why can't we? I think I'd go crazy if I cammed on MFC every day of the week...lol. On my days off, I like to watch t.v. or a movie while logged into AdultWork paid chat only mode. Why do I still log onto AW on my "days off?" Because the free chat sites are really what I'm taking off from. LOL.

Incantatious
04-21-2013, 07:02 PM
[deleted] ~ Let's get this back on track!

Blovely
04-21-2013, 07:17 PM
Smh at this thread turning left. It was helpful and interesting while it lasted.

Incantatious
04-21-2013, 07:35 PM
Smh at this thread turning left. It was helpful and interesting while it lasted.

Aghhhh! Man the fucking lifeboats! XD Let's save this thread!

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justanothercamgirl
04-21-2013, 08:48 PM
If you don't like an opinion it isn't your place to tell people they are wrong.

Funny you should mention this....

MissSassyPickles
04-21-2013, 10:31 PM
I think this could be a positive thing.

Ever since sex workers have existed there has been stigma such as we are dumb, druggies, etc.

Now that things are getting more challenging, I really think it could be an opportunity to show our customers, our families, and society how smart we really are, how we are using advanced technology, how we are using the same entrepreneurial skills that any other online business would.

It is no longer "turn on your cam" it is marketing, seo, web design, sales, and being technologically literate. These are all very REAL skills that will make us succeed or fail. There has never been a time where sex workers have needed to be entrepreneurs in the truest sense of the word, then now.

loveshooks
04-21-2013, 10:31 PM
I'm keeping this open cuz it's a good thread and there are some amazing posts articulating important ideas on all 'sides'.

the sniping and personal comments need to stop though, they don't serve anyone's purposes and people of every P.O.V. need to be able to express themselves without personal criticism. It sucks when amazing performers with wicked (and valid) contrasting perspectives get sidetracked so the drama needs to end here, ok?