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Joe Dirt
04-25-2013, 09:56 PM
So I was reading the forum and seen a few post regarding the "whorehouses" in Detroit. Yes it's true; the SC in metro Detroit are all brothels, but is it really fair to judge the girls that perform extras? I mean has anyone ever judged you for being a dancer? If a woman is doing what she has to do just to put food on the table for her kids; is that really that bad of a thing?

Nina_
04-25-2013, 10:18 PM
People who talk about the "whorehouses" in Detroit (and other cities) are not as much judging the girls as they are simply displaying their frustration. When one is a clean dancer who has to deal with girls doing extras in her club, it makes it harder for that clean dancer to make money. Soon, many of the customers expect it.

Imagine that you are a businessman selling some sort of product and your income is based solely on your sales. Then let's say someone else comes into your workplace and starts selling a different product that is illegal and the new worker(s)' illegal sales are directly hindering your own sales and thus your own income. Do you see how that would be an issue for you? That is how clean dancers feel when we work in a club where there are girls doing extras - especially when girls are doing it for cheap (you and I both know what the going rate in Detroit is like and it ain't expensive).

So no, it's not my place to judge a girl who makes her money differently than I. But is it my place to get pissed off when someone is in MY workplace illegally selling sex? Yes. It's not my business what another woman does for a living, but when it affects my finances, it becomes my business.

ava$
04-25-2013, 10:39 PM
Yes, the girls performing extras are that bad! Theres no comparison between me being judged for dancing and me judging a dancer for doing extras. People who judge me are usually the vanilla workers who know nothing about stripping but pretend to know for no good reason and they stick their nose up at it. I mean I am not effecting the $$ they make by me going into work and stripping but the strippers in my club who perform extras are effecting the money i am making so of course I will judge them and try to run them out because they effect me personally. If a girl decides to do sexual acts for money I dont judge that at all, it actually makes since to me but dont do it in the club where it is taking money out of my pocket and taking food off my table. They need to just be an escort and perform their services elsewhere.

Nina_
04-25-2013, 11:02 PM
^Agreed. Also, @ the thread being titled "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"... that idiom literally means that a person shouldn't judge another for having faults that they also have. Since stripper does not equal prostitute, the title of the thread doesn't even apply. C'mon.

Kellydancer
04-25-2013, 11:17 PM
Ugh another one. OP there IS a difference between a clean dancer, an escort, and a girl doing extras in clubs. A clean dancer is doing a legitimate job. An escort is doing something illegal but she isn't hurting strippers because she is providing another service a dancer shouldn't be providing. An extras girl however is hurting other dancers who know have to deal with someone doing something illegal in what is legal. These girls are why dancers are often lumped in the prostitution category.

Nina_
04-26-2013, 12:28 AM
Nina, I agree with you on everything you said except the amount you average per night. I'm sure you have seen my screen name on a few of the local MI boards; so you know I'm not a guy who just talks shit. If you make $500 a night and work just 4 nights a week that $2,000 a week, that's over 100K a year tax free, that's like $150K on the books, I just don't see it happening. Especially for a clean dancer, I know dirty dancers that are just as hot as you (and you are HOT) and they are lucky to leave with $300 to $400 on a good night being dirty.

Your disagreeing with me on the amount of money I make has no literal sense because the amount of money I make is factual. I do NOT inflate my earnings. I do average over $500 (often more than that - in fact this month I am averaging closer to $600 a night). I am a woman of principle with no need to inflate my earnings. If you would like to challenge that, I implore you to come into the club in which I work (you know what club that is) and watch me make money. You will see, on an average night, that I am constantly sitting with guys and taking them upstairs. I can also refer you to an award I won last December at my club for "best lapdance," at my club's entertainer awards - I was given the award solely because of the fact that I generally give the most lap dances almost every night, and I have the trophy to prove it. I live in a beautiful two bedroom apartment in a nice suburb and pay my own rent. Just bought a TV that cost me over a thousand bucks. I live comfortably. I go to school full-time, so I rarely work four days a week.

Extras girls should be ashamed of themselves to be leaving with $300 to $400 on a good night. Ha! I almost feel bad for them, but I don't feel THAT bad. It feels extremely good to know that I make more than the "hot" extras girls by still being clean. They must have no hustle skills and only know how to suck and fuck instead of talk. I have customers who will pay me for my time, just for sitting with them. I am a business woman, bottom line: I know how to make money. I'm articulate, classy, fun, and attractive and THAT attracts the big spenders. I target the clientele that I make the most money off of: middle-aged white men. I wouldn't be dancing if I didn't make this much money. $300 a night is how much a bartender at a nice restaurant could make. If I made $300 a night dancing I'd stop dancing and start bartending. I make substantially more than that. No inflation of earnings here. Just a stripper who knows exactly how to do her job.

I shouldn't even feel the need to have to defend/explain myself, but when I bust my ass to make clean money and consequently am a top earner I don't appreciate my effort and skills being undermined because a guy can't believe that *gasp* you don't have to be a whore to make good money! Just because YOU aren't paying for the non-extra contact doesn't mean there aren't plenty of guys who are. Trust me on this.

Also, $500 a night four nights a week is $96K.

Artema
04-26-2013, 02:19 AM
Looks like this Joe Dirt guy is striking nerves...

rickdugan
04-26-2013, 05:51 AM
Looks like this Joe Dirt guy is striking nerves...

Actually, I think that the responses from the ladies have been quite civil. If he had posted this same thing on here 3 years ago, with some of the more interesting personalities that resided here back then, this thread would already be blowing up.

Selina M
04-26-2013, 09:11 AM
I'm not judging them by any means; if you want to be an escort or prostitute, go for it. Remember that it's still illegal. And don't do it in the strip club.
The two are two different things. Strip clubs are meant to be a fantasy and escapism. Prostitution and escorts are meant to be sex with no strings attached.

If you own an ice cream shop, and someone opens up another one right next door, giving away free toppings, pretty soon all your customers will say "Why don't YOU give out free toppings?" and come to expect it. When you don't budge on this, they will all start going next door, thus taking much of your business. This is what happens in a lot of SC situations, from lap dance boundaries to drinking with customers to extras... "THAT dancer does it, why don't you?"

Extras girls in clubs also suck because if they bring their illegal activity into the club, they are setting us up for trouble... if word gets around via the good ol' interweb that there's extras, undercover cops will start coming in and the club could get raided. That SUCKS for the rest of us, who don't want to get dragged into that shit. It pisses me off because it's selfish, quite frankly: I don't want to sit in handcuffs because one girl couldn't keep her sucking and fucking out of the club.

So basically, we're not judging them for their choice of income, but there is an appropriate place to conduct their business and it is NOT inside a strip club.

Sophia_Starina
04-26-2013, 09:34 AM
So I was reading the forum and seen a few post regarding the "whorehouses" in Detroit. Yes it's true; the SC in metro Detroit are all brothels, but is it really fair to judge the girls that perform extras? I mean has anyone ever judged you for being a dancer? If a woman is doing what she has to do just to put food on the table for her kids; is that really that bad of a thing?

Yeah, it's REALLY that bad.

I'll explain:

Prostitution is illegal basically everywhere in the U.S. except some counties in Nevada.

Prostitution happens everywhere... but Strip Clubs aren't the place for it.

When girls do extras in the club it creates an unfair standard... because strippers strip... strippers don't fuck, suck, or jack.

The phrase "this isn't what I signed up for" comes to mind.

According to the definitions of Strip Club and Stripper, "sex-for-money" does not appear anywhere.

Extras dancers skew the playing field in their favor but they do so, often, out of desperation. They don't want to fuck you either. And it's not cute that you want to defend the gnarly situation these women are in by saying "but you giiiiirls.... extras girls are just more needy than you."

Unlike escorts, the activities Extras dancers choose to perform at the club affect other people negatively.

They fuck up other peoples' money.

I don't judge them. But I don't like extras dancers doing their "thing" at MY place of business.

Once guys catch wind of the offerings at a certain club they assume every dancer is happy to oblige... and NEWS FLASH... they're wrong. Extras girls attract time wasters that try to bribe, coerce, and persuade dancers to do things that aren't in our job description. And the extras dancers... well they can only handle a finite number of cocks at a time... don't expect Strippers that dance "clean" to pick up the slack if Candy McCocksucker is "occupied". Pay for a dance or get the fuck out.

It attracts a cheap, skeevy, scummy clientele.

Extras dancers attract police attention, raids, and club shut-downs.

They screw. And they screw things up for everyone else.

They have NO concept of cleanliness… wet pillows, condoms between seat cushions, filthy dick-jackin' hands all over the pole and on banisters/railings, it's disgusting.



Fuck that. Fuck them. Fuck it.


If you have to perform an illegal sex act to make money at a strip club, you should NOT be a stripper.
There are agencies, legal brothels, and independent options available. I have no sympathy for prostitutes pretending to be strippers. They should just be themselves… elsewhere.

ChefKitty
04-26-2013, 02:35 PM
I agree with the other girls but luckily the dirty girls will occupy the guys that would otherwise be wasting my time so there is that. It will suck if we get raided.

Djoser
04-26-2013, 06:59 PM
Occasionally we leave these types of threads up so that the ill-informed can be better educated as to the real conditions in the clubs. Not necessarily just the OPs of the threads, but any other guys who might wonder about it.

Having worked in both clean clubs and whorehouses, I can testify as to the conditions in both types of clubs. The clean clubs are much, much better for everyone. Except maybe the guys who aren't picky where that mouth has been all night before they stuck their dicks in it.

I don't ever get lapdances since I am a DJ; but if I did I'd go for class, not cheap ass.


...I have customers who will pay me for my time, just for sitting with them. I am a business woman, bottom line: I know how to make money. I'm articulate, classy, fun, and attractive and THAT attracts the big spenders....No inflation of earnings here. Just a stripper who knows exactly how to do her job.

I shouldn't even feel the need to have to defend/explain myself, but when I bust my ass to make clean money and consequently am a top earner I don't appreciate my effort and skills being undermined because a guy can't believe that *gasp* you don't have to be a whore to make good money! Just because YOU aren't paying for the non-extra contact doesn't mean there aren't plenty of guys who are. Trust me on this.


Great reply Nina_

Joe Dirt
04-26-2013, 08:35 PM
Nina,

I’m not trying to disrespect you or any other member here. If I was trying to be disrespectful to you I would not have stuck up for you on TS when the Admin made one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. I can tell from your pic’s that you’re a very nice looking woman, and from your posting style; you’re very intelligent too.

I do NOT like the word “whore,” it’s not right when a man uses it and it’s not right when a woman uses it either. That’s why I started this thread, not to piss off a bunch of peelers (dancers) I don’t have the time tonight to reply to that many post, but if you (and the others) give me a few days to reply to them it might make for some good respectful reading. This is a message forum and I would assume that me posting my opinion is just one of many. I’m not saying that peelers should work cheap, or all peelers should do extras. I just don’t like the word “whore.”

Djoser
04-26-2013, 08:52 PM
As long as you are respectful things will be fine.

Joe Dirt
04-26-2013, 09:03 PM
So no, it's not my place to judge a girl who makes her money differently than I. But is it my place to get pissed off when someone is in MY workplace illegally selling sex? Yes. It's not my business what another woman does for a living, but when it affects my finances, it becomes my business.


People who talk about the "whorehouses" in Detroit (and other cities) are not as much judging the girls as they are simply displaying their frustration. When one is a clean dancer who has to deal with girls doing extras in her club, it makes it harder for that clean dancer to make money. Soon, many of the customers expect it. How much on average do you think an extras girl(s) cuts into your money?..... 50%?....more...less?


Extras girls should be ashamed of themselves to be leaving with $300 to $400 on a good night. Ha! I almost feel bad for them, but I don't feel THAT bad. It feels extremely good to know that I make more than the "hot" extras girls by still being clean. They must have no hustle skills and only know how to suck and fuck instead of talk.Well if you can make more then an extras girl, then why would you or anyone else care if other dancer does extras? It sound like to me, all you need is some good looks and some strong game to make more then any dirty dancer Y/N?

Joe Dirt
04-26-2013, 09:08 PM
As long as you are respectful things will be fine.I maybe a little blunt, but I NEVER intend on being disrespectful....it's not my style. If anyone ever feels disrespected by me please let me know, I will either explain myself a little better or just apologize for it.

Nina_
04-26-2013, 09:37 PM
How much on average do you think an extras girl(s) cuts into your money?..... 50%?....more...less?
I have no idea how much they actually cut into my earnings and I try not to think about it in those terms. They do cut into my earnings to some degree, but the specifics of it I do not know.


Well if you can make more then an extras girl, then why would you or anyone else care if other dancer does extras? It sound like to me, all you need is some good looks and some strong game to make more then any dirty dancer Y/N?

It does not matter if I make more than them - if they did not do extras in the club I would still be making more money than I'm making now. That's what matters. The money that they make doesn't matter to me. I care about my own earnings. When girls are regularly doing extras it creates a stressful and unfair atmosphere. A lot of customers want extras. Why? Because it is now expected of Detroit clubs for the girls to do extras. If none of the customers in the club were accustomed to having extras readily available, more men would be in there to get dances. If there were no extras girls I wouldn't have to work as hard to find men who just want dances, and if I did work as hard as I do now I'd make substantially more than I currently do. Most clean dancers in Detroit average much less than I do because I work extremely hard and hustle all night.

I don't know how old you are, but did you frequent clubs in the 90s, back in the good ole days? If you did, you have to have noticed a vast difference in the way things are run now and the way things were back then. Obviously I didn't dance back in the 90s, but I know plenty of people who did (my mom being one of them).Then, dancers were looked at as real entertainers. And that's what they were. Extras were not widespread. The girls put on a real show. Now in Detroit, some guys come into the club and look at all the girls as if they're all whores when in reality, there are still plenty of us clean dancers left. We are just overshadowed by the girls who will come and openly solicit their services to a man they've known for a few seconds.

I don't know why it's hard to understand how extras girls could be frustrating.


I do NOT like the word “whore,” it’s not right when a man uses it and it’s not right when a woman uses it either. That’s why I started this thread, not to piss off a bunch of peelers (dancers) I don’t have the time tonight to reply to that many post, but if you (and the others) give me a few days to reply to them it might make for some good respectful reading. This is a message forum and I would assume that me posting my opinion is just one of many. I’m not saying that peelers should work cheap, or all peelers should do extras. I just don’t like the word “whore.”

When I use the word "whore" I use it by its definition - to describe someone who has sex for money. Let's call a spade a spade. Out of curiosity, why don't you like the word whore? Would you rather me call extras girls prostitutes? I have no problem with that.

And OT about the TS thing - thanks. I took his comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think he's butt hurt about something.

Joe Dirt
04-26-2013, 09:48 PM
People who talk about the "whorehouses" in Detroit (and other cities) are not as much judging the girls as they are simply displaying their frustration. When one is a clean dancer who has to deal with girls doing extras in her club, it makes it harder for that clean dancer to make money. Soon, many of the customers expect it.

Imagine that you are a businessman selling some sort of product and your income is based solely on your sales. Then let's say someone else comes into your workplace and starts selling a different product that is illegal and the new worker(s)' illegal sales are directly hindering your own sales and thus your own income. Do you see how that would be an issue for you? That is how clean dancers feel when we work in a club where there are girls doing extras - especially when girls are doing it for cheap (you and I both know what the going rate in Detroit is like and it ain't expensive).

So no, it's not my place to judge a girl who makes her money differently than I. But is it my place to get pissed off when someone is in MY workplace illegally selling sex? Yes. It's not my business what another woman does for a living, but when it affects my finances, it becomes my business.I somewhat see your point, but I'm not sure if this analogy really works. I could say it's free enterprise and the sales person that's will to go the extra (no pun intended lol) mile (comes in early, stays late, etc) makes the bigger commission. If that would happen to me I would just have to step my game up.

Nina, you seem to use the word illegal a few times. I don't know about the other states, but in Michigan, ANY contact between customer and dancer (or simulated sex) is illegal and considered prostitution. I'm sure you're not just giving "air" dances Y?N? Anyone else know what the laws are in your state?

Djoser
04-26-2013, 10:18 PM
The Bottom Line, Joe:

It's really, really hard for these women to keep telling the guys in the Private Dance Room. 'I don't do that in Private.', when some other girl is doing it only a few feet away.

It's a lot harder to have to spend about half the time in Private dance sessions holding onto the guys' hands, so they don't make a sudden 'finger attack'. I've seen this on camera so much, even in the clean clubs (because we watch the cameras it stays that way too).

If you want classy women in the stripclubs you go to, it's a lot better if the clubs don't hire a bunch of skanks. In the whorehouse type clubs, there are way, way more skanks.

Nina_
04-26-2013, 10:25 PM
I somewhat see your point, but I'm not sure if this analogy really works. I could say it's free enterprise and the sales person that's will to go the extra (no pun intended lol) mile (comes in early, stays late, etc) makes the bigger commission. If that would happen to me I would just have to step my game up.
But the facts are, it is not a free enterprise because there are regulations which dictate that one of the business person's tactics is legal whereas the others' is illegal. It is an uneven and unfair playing field, that is undeniable. It does not matter how you look at it, the analogy I stated holds true in relation to the extras girls problem. The person who "goes the extra mile" is breaking the law, in both the analogy and the clubs.


Nina, you seem to use the word illegal a few times. I don't know about the other states, but in Michigan, ANY contact between customer and dancer (or simulated sex) is illegal and considered prostitution. I'm sure you're not just giving "air" dances Y?N? Anyone else know what the laws are in your state?
Yes, I use the word illegal many times. Prostitution is illegal in Michigan. Giving a customer a lap dance is not prostitution and don't even try to assert that it is. Please. There is a huge difference and you know that, don't play dumb. You want to talk about the Detroit strip club ordinance? It's the same ordinance that prohibits a dancer from touching a patron or a patron’s clothing. This prohibition on touching appears to apply at all times, even when the dancer is off stage and fully clothed. Are you going to question me about whether or not I casually touch a patron? Doubtful. And you know that ALL the clubs in the metro Detroit area (aside from Hustler currently) all play by the same rules, so don't try to make this an issue of me giving contact dances as if it has any relevance. If I go to Landing Strip, Flight Club, (etc) to other clubs that are outside of Detroit but right near it, I'd be dealing with the same thing and they don't have that Detroit ordinance.

You mention that you'd "step your game up" and then rhetorically ask me if I only give air dances. I could make money only giving air dances if my club were truly a lap-dance-only club. But since the PROSTITUTES have come in and dirtied the place up completely, the Detroit clubs are now contact clubs. Air dances are relatively non existent. I suppose my contact dances are a way of a clean dancer stepping her game up without succumbing to being a prostitute. In my opinion, it's the extras girls who should be stepping their game up. I understand that they lack the ability to make money the clean way, but it must be embarrassing for someone who is sucking dick and fucking all night and still leaving with less than the clean dancers. Pathetic. But then again, most of the guys coming to the clubs seeking extras don't pay their prostitutes much.

And now the girls on here see what I mean went I vent about the dirtiness of working in a city like Detroit.

Kellydancer
04-26-2013, 11:43 PM
I mentioned this before but many years ago I worked for a nice club. Not upscale top of the line but definitely a mid level clean club where the dances ranged from pretty to hot. Anyway, the manager decided to be greedy and start charging more for house and bringing in girls he knew were hookers. Need I mention what happened next? the clean dancers left because many men would rather pay $20 (or however it cost)for a blowjob instead of a clean no contact air dance. The clientele changed from guys on break at their jobs, professionals etc to low class scum. I stayed a bit when this started happening because I had regulars who appreciated dances but they started to get scared of the new clientele coming in and when they stopped coming I left. Long story short the club was closed for prostitution and several dancers got arrested.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 07:34 AM
Yes, the girls performing extras are that bad! Theres no comparison between me being judged for dancing and me judging a dancer for doing extras. People who judge me are usually the vanilla workers who know nothing about stripping but pretend to know for no good reason and they stick their nose up at it. I mean I am not effecting the $$ they make by me going into work and stripping but the strippers in my club who perform extras are effecting the money i am making so of course I will judge them and try to run them out because they effect me personally. If a girl decides to do sexual acts for money I dont judge that at all, it actually makes since to me but dont do it in the club where it is taking money out of my pocket and taking food off my table. They need to just be an escort and perform their services elsewhere.Ava, I know I'm not going to change your way of thinking, and you're not going to change mine. It still comes down to you looking down at someone for doing extras, and somewhere someone is looking down at you for dancing naked in front of a bunch of strange men. IMHO this would be like criticizing someone for drinking liquor as you're sipping on a glass of wine.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, JMTC..........JD


^Agreed. Also, @ the thread being titled "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"... that idiom literally means that a person shouldn't judge another for having faults that they also have. Since stripper does not equal prostitute, the title of the thread doesn't even apply. C'mon.Nina, this is why I titled this thread "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." You may think it doesn't apply, but I do.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, JMTC..........JD

Again, not trying to piss anybody off, just have a friendly discussion on a discussion forum.

Deaddolly
04-27-2013, 07:39 AM
Again, not trying to piss anybody off, just have a friendly discussion on a discussion forum.

LOL..

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 07:44 AM
Ugh another one. OP there IS a difference between a clean dancer, an escort, and a girl doing extras in clubs. A clean dancer is doing a legitimate job. An escort is doing something illegal but she isn't hurting strippers because she is providing another service a dancer shouldn't be providing. An extras girl however is hurting other dancers who know have to deal with someone doing something illegal in what is legal. These girls are why dancers are often lumped in the prostitution category.Yes and no. I also see escorts, and what I like to do before seeing an escort (at her incall) is prime the pump at the SC with a few pops, dinner, and some eye candy. So if I do that I'm not spending any money on dancers (except stage tips) so that in a way does take money out of a peelers pocket.

PS. I know a lot of guys in the hobby that do the same thing.

Nina_
04-27-2013, 07:52 AM
Nina, this is why I titled this thread "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." You may think it doesn't apply, but I do.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, JMTC..........JD

Again, not trying to piss anybody off, just have a friendly discussion on a discussion forum.

Well are you saying that doing extras is the same thing as stripping? If prostitution and stripping are the same thing to you, that would explain why the title of your thread applies to you. You asked, "...is it really fair to judge the girls that perform extras? I mean has anyone ever judged you for being a dancer? If a woman is doing what she has to do just to put food on the table for her kids; is that really that bad of a thing?" Me and the rest of the responders to the thread have given you concrete answers and support for our answers as well. JD, it *really* should not be that hard to understand, at this point, the problem clean dancers have with extras girls. I am not turning my nose up at girls who make backpage ads, I am not turning my nose at girls who work at the Bunny Ranch. That is not what upsets me. Girls who escort are doing it privately or for an agency filled with other escorts; girls who work at brothels are obviously surrounded by more prostitutes; girls who do extras at strip clubs are prostituting themselves at a place where only dancing/stripping is supposed to be going on. I am not pissed off at escorts, girls who work at legal brothels, etc. I am pissed off at girls who infiltrate my work area selling blow jobs and sex.

Even besides the earning potential problem, there are more aspects of working with extras girls that are just unfair to the clean girls. I've danced in booths where leftover used condoms were still there. This is disgustingly unsanitary. I've seen cum spots on the booth couches. After an extras girl has had her hands all over a dick, the VIP booth is going to be contaminated, as is everything else she touches. Are you telling me that it is fair that clean dancers should have to work in such a dirty environment? That type of stuff is not supposed to happen in a strip club so those who choose not to partake in illegal sex acts shouldn't have to be exposed to those germs. I shouldn't have to work in an unsanitary environment where sexually produced germs are lurking all over my workspace.

The only way you can possibly think any of that is OK is if you are looking at it solely from a subjective point of view. Of course you're all for extras girls permeating our workspace - it directly benefits you because you choose to partake. If you look at things objectively, you can clearly see how unfair it is to the rest of us clean dancers who are just trying to do our job.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 08:23 AM
Your disagreeing with me on the amount of money I make has no literal sense because the amount of money I make is factual. I do NOT inflate my earnings. I do average over $500 (often more than that - in fact this month I am averaging closer to $600 a night). I am a woman of principle with no need to inflate my earnings. If you would like to challenge that, I implore you to come into the club in which I work (you know what club that is) and watch me make money. You will see, on an average night, that I am constantly sitting with guys and taking them upstairs. I can also refer you to an award I won last December at my club for "best lapdance," at my club's entertainer awards - I was given the award solely because of the fact that I generally give the most lap dances almost every night, and I have the trophy to prove it. I live in a beautiful two bedroom apartment in a nice suburb and pay my own rent. Just bought a TV that cost me over a thousand bucks. I live comfortably. I go to school full-time, so I rarely work four days a week.

Extras girls should be ashamed of themselves to be leaving with $300 to $400 on a good night. Ha! I almost feel bad for them, but I don't feel THAT bad. It feels extremely good to know that I make more than the "hot" extras girls by still being clean. They must have no hustle skills and only know how to suck and fuck instead of talk. I have customers who will pay me for my time, just for sitting with them. I am a business woman, bottom line: I know how to make money. I'm articulate, classy, fun, and attractive and THAT attracts the big spenders. I target the clientele that I make the most money off of: middle-aged white men. I wouldn't be dancing if I didn't make this much money. $300 a night is how much a bartender at a nice restaurant could make. If I made $300 a night dancing I'd stop dancing and start bartending. I make substantially more than that. No inflation of earnings here. Just a stripper who knows exactly how to do her job.

I shouldn't even feel the need to have to defend/explain myself, but when I bust my ass to make clean money and consequently am a top earner I don't appreciate my effort and skills being undermined because a guy can't believe that *gasp* you don't have to be a whore to make good money! Just because YOU aren't paying for the non-extra contact doesn't mean there aren't plenty of guys who are. Trust me on this.

Also, $500 a night four nights a week is $96K.Nina, I'm sorry but I just don't see it. I know you're at the top of your GAME, but I just don't see a clean dancer making that kind of money in metro Detroit where over 90% of the peelers are dirty, and another 5% are just around the corner from the dark side. I know there are days/nights that you can make that kind of cash, but not average it.

I’ve been going to metro Detroit peeler bars for over 20 years, I do know the bar you work at (if it's still the same one) and I even know the owner very well, so I know the bar isn't that busy. I'm not saying the bar is dead, I'm just saying it's not as busy as the bar East of you.

I left the name of the bars out on purpose, I wasn't sure if you wanted the names of the bar(s) you work at post.

PS. if any of you girls think you got it bad with a small hand full of dirt dancers, think how bad Nina's got it with over 90% of the girls being dirty....and I won't even get into price or BB services. AND NO I'M NOT A BBFS GUY!!!


Also, $500 a night four nights a week is $96K.My BT's calculator might be a little off but I still come up with....

$500 X 4 days/nights a week = $2,000

$2,000 X 52 weeks = $104,000 tax free (net)

This would be like making $150,000 on the books (gross)

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 08:44 AM
Actually, I think that the responses from the ladies have been quite civil. If he had posted this same thing on here 3 years ago, with some of the more interesting personalities that resided here back then, this thread would already be blowing up.Yes the ladies here have been very civil, and it's nice to hear a woman's POV (point of view)

As far anyone flaming me, I'm a grown man, I can take it.

PS. I think this thread is starting to blow up lol.

Nina_
04-27-2013, 08:47 AM
Nina, I'm sorry but I just don't see it. I know you're at the top of your GAME, but I just don't see a clean dancer making that kind of money in metro Detroit where over 90% of the peelers are dirty, and another 5% are just around the corner from the dark side. I know there are days/nights that you can make that kind of cash, but not average it.

I’ve been going to metro Detroit peeler bars for over 20 years, I do know the bar you work at (if it's still the same one) and I even know the owner very well, so I know the bar isn't that busy. I'm not saying the bar is dead, I'm just saying it's not as busy as the bar East of you.

JD, I am getting very sick of you telling me what my own earnings are. I KNOW how much money I make. I KNOW how much money I average.

Last summer I had a cash book where I recorded my earnings after every single night. By the end of the summer my total average was $516 a night. These are earnings that were actually recorded and averaged during a relatively slow time of year. Right now I am averaging more than that, although I am not keeping track. But I'll tell you this: I haven't worked in almost two weeks but the last time I worked I made $480 and the night before that I made $960. Last December alone I probably averaged between $700-800 a night because that's a lucrative month for me, although I did not record my earnings so I don't have concrete numbers. These are just the facts. $500 is not a "good night" for me, so stop asserting that I only make that type of money on "good nights."

Again, I already challenged you to try to refute what I'm saying by coming into the bar and watching me work. In fact, I'm working tonight. The word is we have a new manager (I haven't been to work in a while so I haven't met him), but Rami is still the manager too, he's been managing there for a while and he presented me with my entertainer award, so if you ever see him ask him whether or not I am lying about these figures. He has even said to me before, verbatim, "Nina, you're the only girl here who makes the club money every time you work."

I really have had enough of you telling me how much I average and saying "I know there are days/nights that you can make that kind of cash, but not average it." That is false. I DO average that kind of money. If I didn't, I wouldn't be telling you that I do. Again, I'll tell you, if I wasn't averaging this type of money I would not be doing this! I would not be surrounding myself with prostitutes if I did not make more than a lot of people with master's degrees. I rarely leave with less than $400. You are obviously stuck in a certain skewed mentality because of your extras-seeking; you don't seem to understand that in this industry, sometimes it only takes one or two customers to make your night. Just because YOU won't spend hundreds on a clean dancer doesn't mean other guys won't. Not all guys seek extras, and my earnings are a prime example. It is frustrating to work with extras girls, but when I'm on the floor working they don't matter to me. If it is slow, I am the dancer who is sitting with the only guy in the club that is actually spending money. All the girls who've worked with me for a while know that I always make money. Even last January, the slowest time of year IMO, I was averaging close to $500 a night. When the game gets slow I step my game up. I am that bitch. Don't keep saying you don't believe me when I've already challenged you to find out for yourself.

And FYI, the percent of girls at my club that do extras is not as high as 90 percent. Yes, there is a LOT, and the percentage is high, but it's not 9/10.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 09:13 AM
I'm not judging them by any means; if you want to be an escort or prostitute, go for it. Remember that it's still illegal. And don't do it in the strip club.
The two are two different things. Strip clubs are meant to be a fantasy and escapism. Prostitution and escorts are meant to be sex with no strings attached.

If you own an ice cream shop, and someone opens up another one right next door, giving away free toppings, pretty soon all your customers will say "Why don't YOU give out free toppings?" and come to expect it. When you don't budge on this, they will all start going next door, thus taking much of your business. This is what happens in a lot of SC situations, from lap dance boundaries to drinking with customers to extras... "THAT dancer does it, why don't you?"

Extras girls in clubs also suck because if they bring their illegal activity into the club, they are setting us up for trouble... if word gets around via the good ol' interweb that there's extras, undercover cops will start coming in and the club could get raided. That SUCKS for the rest of us, who don't want to get dragged into that shit. It pisses me off because it's selfish, quite frankly: I don't want to sit in handcuffs because one girl couldn't keep her sucking and fucking out of the club.

So basically, we're not judging them for their choice of income, but there is an appropriate place to conduct their business and it is NOT inside a strip club.This is the first decent reason I have read for not wanting extras in your club. There are a lot of people that work at a SC (that don't dance) and it would put them out of a job if the club got shut down. I'm sorry, but jealousy (shes taking money out of my pocket) is not a good reason to hate on someone.

If you girls want to hate on anybody for extras, hate on the bar. If the bar had a zero tolerance for extras there wouldn't be any extras. If the bars didn't have curtains and partition, or had cameras in every VIP area, and someone moderating the cameras (not the DJ) one guy who's only job is to watch the cameras. Then there wouldn't be extras, just ban and dancer or customer that performs or receives extras. But the bar won't do that because there is to much money to be made in VIP tax, tips for looking the other way, etc.

The funny thing is, if dirty dancer did start escorting on some of the local escort boards (MIC, NR, AHB) they would make 3 to 5 times the money.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 09:21 AM
I got to jet, but I'd like to reply to a few more posts later on...

Nina_
04-27-2013, 09:23 AM
This is the first decent reason I have read for not wanting extras in your club. There are a lot of people that work at a SC (that don't dance) and it would put them out of a job if the club got shut down. I'm sorry, but jealousy (shes taking money out of my pocket) is not a good reason to hate on someone.



Lmao. Complaining that someone is taking money out of your pocket is not being "jealous." It's called being concerned of your finances. If someone stole money out of my pocket and I got mad, that would not equate to jealousy, that would equate to anger. Apparently my average earnings of MORE THAN $500 a night is substantially more than the average extras girls' earnings, so where do you get the idea that anyone on this board is jealous? If we wanted to be like the extras girls, we would be doing extras. That's all there is to it. Why would I want to average $300 to $400 a night (as you state they do) by sucking dick and fucking when I average more than that by being clean? Why aren't earnings and sanitariness enough reason for a girl not to want girls having sex in their workplace?

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 12:43 PM
Yeah, it's REALLY that bad.

I'll explain:

Prostitution is illegal basically everywhere in the U.S. except some counties in Nevada.

Prostitution happens everywhere... but Strip Clubs aren't the place for it.

When girls do extras in the club it creates an unfair standard... because strippers strip... strippers don't fuck, suck, or jack.

The phrase "this isn't what I signed up for" comes to mind.

According to the definitions of Strip Club and Stripper, "sex-for-money" does not appear anywhere.

Extras dancers skew the playing field in their favor but they do so, often, out of desperation. They don't want to fuck you either. And it's not cute that you want to defend the gnarly situation these women are in by saying "but you giiiiirls.... extras girls are just more needy than you."

Unlike escorts, the activities Extras dancers choose to perform at the club affect other people negatively.

They fuck up other peoples' money.

I don't judge them. But I don't like extras dancers doing their "thing" at MY place of business.

Once guys catch wind of the offerings at a certain club they assume every dancer is happy to oblige... and NEWS FLASH... they're wrong. Extras girls attract time wasters that try to bribe, coerce, and persuade dancers to do things that aren't in our job description. And the extras dancers... well they can only handle a finite number of cocks at a time... don't expect Strippers that dance "clean" to pick up the slack if Candy McCocksucker is "occupied". Pay for a dance or get the fuck out.

It attracts a cheap, skeevy, scummy clientele.

Extras dancers attract police attention, raids, and club shut-downs.

They screw. And they screw things up for everyone else.

They have NO concept of cleanliness… wet pillows, condoms between seat cushions, filthy dick-jackin' hands all over the pole and on banisters/railings, it's disgusting.



Fuck that. Fuck them. Fuck it.


If you have to perform an illegal sex act to make money at a strip club, you should NOT be a stripper.
There are agencies, legal brothels, and independent options available. I have no sympathy for prostitutes pretending to be strippers. They should just be themselves… elsewhere.Sophia, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been a dancer?

PS. "filthy dick-jackin"......now that's funny lol.

simone87
04-27-2013, 12:59 PM
i do not "look down" on a girl who does "extras", but they do put the club at risk and they do lower everyone's earnings, especially if they are doing it for cheap. i pity them more than i get angry, although i wish they would go become escorts and earn 300 an hour instead? i mean wouldn't that make sense?
it also matter what you consider an extra..i know some girls who have screamed at me for doing extras because i dared to earn more than them and i gave the customers a sultry, personal dance instead of staring off into space like a stuck up robot but are you talking blow jobs and sex? because if so, we are not "throwing stones in glass houses" because we do not offer sex and blow jobs and then look down on others..we do something else. yes, i know what its like to be looked down on for your profession and i don't morally judge them it just gets annoying because they are "cheating" in a way and giving themselves a advantage by doing things illegal..its not that i think im morally above them, its that they fuck with your money and guys expect you to do that same thing, and the club could get raided. 3 good reasons.

unbeleavable
04-27-2013, 01:30 PM
Dirt, I think more than one dancer has given you reasons why sucking dick in the club can hurt their money. When you start telling dancers how much money they make, like you're their manager, well I wonder why you're here.

yoda57us
04-27-2013, 02:02 PM
Yes the ladies here have been very civil, and it's nice to hear a woman's POV (point of view)
Well, since this a site created primarily for dancers and exists for dancer support their POV is going to be predominant here.


As far anyone flaming me, I'm a grown man, I can take it.
That's nice that you have your big boy pants on, your gonna need them...


PS. I think this thread is starting to blow up lol.
Telling dancers how to be dancers will generally cause that sort of thing to happen...

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 02:57 PM
I don't know how old you are, but did you frequent clubs in the 90s, back in the good ole days? If you did, you have to have noticed a vast difference in the way things are run now and the way things were back then. Obviously I didn't dance back in the 90s, but I know plenty of people who did (my mom being one of them).Then, dancers were looked at as real entertainers. And that's what they were. Extras were not widespread. The girls put on a real show. Now in Detroit, some guys come into the club and look at all the girls as if they're all whores when in reality, there are still plenty of us clean dancers left. We are just overshadowed by the girls who will come and openly solicit their services to a man they've known for a few seconds.

I don't know why it's hard to understand how extras girls could be frustrating.

As far as the word "whore," it's just a dirty word that no woman should be called, maybe we can talk about it if we ever meet (hopefully)



When I use the word "whore" I use it by its definition - to describe someone who has sex for money. Let's call a spade a spade. Out of curiosity, why don't you like the word whore? Would you rather me call extras girls prostitutes? I have no problem with that.

And OT about the TS thing - thanks. I took his comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think he's butt hurt about something.I'm in my early 40's and yes I do remember the 90's lol. Clubs started to change from clean to dirty when they figured out they could make much more money being a dirty club. Back in the early 90's every club didn't have curtains and partitions, fast forward 20 years and every club has curtains, partitions, and some even have private rooms (yes a room with a door) Who are the ones that built the VIP areas? The dancers? No, it was the bar. The bars put up the curtains and partitions and look the other way. I even know a few managers that have told me about how they have to have meetings with the girls, telling them "if anybody does extras for under X-amount they will be fired." I have also heard this from some of the dancers I know very well (and their not trying to upsell me) The bars are the ones that don't care about clean dancers, because they know they can tax the shit out of the dancers and the customers that do or want extras (how much is tip-out at the Penthouse Club?) Nina, I understand your frustration. But if it's that bad, get out. If my job started doing some dumb shit I would push-on to the next job. There is one bar that is clean (two if you will dance nude) and a few that are about 50/50, try another bar, or just stop dancing. But we both know you will still be dancing at one of the dirty bars a year from know because the money is to good.

IMHO it's not the dirty dancers you girls should be mad at, it's the bars that allow it.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 03:05 PM
I don't know how old you are, but did you frequent clubs in the 90s, back in the good ole days? If you did, you have to have noticed a vast difference in the way things are run now and the way things were back then. Obviously I didn't dance back in the 90s, but I know plenty of people who did (my mom being one of them).Then, dancers were looked at as real entertainers. And that's what they were. Extras were not widespread. The girls put on a real show. Now in Detroit, some guys come into the club and look at all the girls as if they're all whores when in reality, there are still plenty of us clean dancers left. We are just overshadowed by the girls who will come and openly solicit their services to a man they've known for a few seconds.

I don't know why it's hard to understand how extras girls could be frustrating.



When I use the word "whore" I use it by its definition - to describe someone who has sex for money. Let's call a spade a spade. Out of curiosity, why don't you like the word whore? Would you rather me call extras girls prostitutes? I have no problem with that.

And OT about the TS thing - thanks. I took his comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think he's butt hurt about something.I'm in my early 40's and yes I do remember the 90's lol. Clubs started to change from clean to dirty when they figured out they could make much more money being a dirty club. Back in the early 90's every club didn't have curtains and partitions, fast forward 20 years and every club has curtains, partitions, and some even have private rooms (yes a room with a door) Who are the ones that built the VIP areas? The dancers? No, it was the bar. The bars put up the curtains and partitions and look the other way. I even know a few managers that have told me about how they have to have meetings with the girls, telling them "if anybody does extras for under X-amount they will be fired." I have also heard this from some of the dancers I know very well (and their not trying to upsell me) The bars are the ones that don't care about clean dancers, because they know they can tax the shit out of the dancers and the customers that do or want extras (how much is tip-out at the Penthouse Club?) Nina, I understand your frustration. But if it's that bad, get out. If my job started doing some dumb shit I would push-on to the next job. There is one bar that is clean (two if you will dance nude) and a few that are about 50/50, try another bar, or just stop dancing. But we both know you will still be dancing at one of the dirty bars a year from know because the money is to good.

IMHO it's not the dirty dancers you girls should be mad at, it's the bars that allow it.

As far as the word "whore," it's just a dirty word that no woman should be called. Maybe we can talk more about it if we ever meet (hopefully)

FireAngelAnna
04-27-2013, 03:10 PM
I'm in my early 40's and yes I do remember the 90's lol. Clubs started to change from clean to dirty when they figured out they could make much more money being a dirty club. Back in the early 90's every club didn't have curtains and partitions, fast forward 20 years and every club has curtains, partitions, and some even have private rooms (yes a room with a door) Who are the ones that built the VIP areas? The dancers? No, it was the bar. The bars put up the curtains and partitions and look the other way. I even know a few managers that have told me about how they have to have meetings with the girls, telling them "if anybody does extras for under X-amount they will be fired." I have also heard this from some of the dancers I know very well (and their not trying to upsell me) The bars are the ones that don't care about clean dancers, because they know they can tax the shit out of the dancers and the customers that do or want extras (how much is tip-out at the Penthouse Club?) Nina, I understand your frustration. But if it's that bad, get out. If my job started doing some dumb shit I would push-on to the next job. There is one bar that is clean (two if you will dance nude) and a few that are about 50/50, try another bar, or just stop dancing. But we both know you will still be dancing at one of the dirty bars a year from know because the money is to good.

IMHO it's not the dirty dancers you girls should be mad at, it's the bars that allow it.

This doesn't even make sense to me. As a business owner myself, I am constantly worried about not following the rules and regulations set by the fed and state government. Seriously, why would SC owners put themselves at risk for slightly more money but they could not only lose their club but also be heavily fined and more? There could be criminal charges like what happened in Seattle. I danced at a club there for like 5 days and called it quits. It was too risky with cops raiding that place handing out tickets like candy every week. Plus, as other posters have said, one instance of making a buck is not worth getting something that lasts a lifetime to me! If those girls want to do that, fine, but do it where it's not putting other girls at risk who "didn't sign up for that". Years later I read the feds built a case against that club in Seattle and the other clubs they owned. Major jail-time for the owners! If I were a SC owner I would do it the clean way with nice looking girls who have self-worth who follow the rules. You can follow the rules and still be fun and make money for the club. If extras were legal then that's that but they aren't. Can someone explain to me how earning X amount more (I can't seriously believe it would be much more) for allowing illegal activity is worth losing your entire business and much more? Maybe it depends on the area, idk, but I would rather make an honest living legally than risk losing everything I worked for.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 03:43 PM
It attracts a cheap, skeevy, scummy clientele.


The Bottom Line, Joe:

It's really, really hard for these women to keep telling the guys in the Private Dance Room. 'I don't do that in Private.', when some other girl is doing it only a few feet away.

It's a lot harder to have to spend about half the time in Private dance sessions holding onto the guys' hands, so they don't make a sudden 'finger attack'. I've seen this on camera so much, even in the clean clubs (because we watch the cameras it stays that way too).

If you want classy women in the stripclubs you go to, it's a lot better if the clubs don't hire a bunch of skanks. In the whorehouse type clubs, there are way, way more skanks.I hear you Djoser, but doesn't the club share any responsibility? People keep pointing the finger at the "dirty dancers" but we both know it's the club that allows it. If I know someone is doing something shady at my job, I report it to my manger and it gets taken care of. If a dancer tell her manger Dancer-X is doing something shady does he check the video tape and then fire her ass Y/N? My point is, if the girls really want to fix the problem, they need to fix it at the top. There will always be dirty girls if the bar allows it.

And if a customer tries to slip a digit or two to a dancer then his dirty ass needs to be band from the bar, but the bar wont do that because he is money. Again the bars responsibility. If a bar doesn't give two shits about their dancers, then the dancers have two choices, move on or deal with it (again the bar not caring about the girls)

As far as the "skanks," and "cheap, skeevy, scummy clientele." The Penthouse Club is the premier club in metro Detroit. It can hold it's own with any New York or Vegas club. It has a lot of Playboy caliber type talent, and a lot of men with deep pockets. The cheapest quote I've gotten was $300 and the highest was $500, and that's only 3 or 4 songs (9 to 12 minutes) worth of play time. So, you really can't say all dirty girls are "skanks," and you can't say the men that see them are "cheap, skeevy, scummy clientele."

lol1337a
04-27-2013, 04:01 PM
The OP clearly does not have any ulterior motives when he persistently normalizes and defends extras girls the clubs he frequents...

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 04:21 PM
Well are you saying that doing extras is the same thing as stripping? No, I'm saying that in the state of Michigan, if you bump and grind that nice plump ass of yours on a customers lap, or let him play with those lovely lady lumps (I just got an idea) it's considered prostitution, and if LE is doing a sting while you're bumping and grinding, you can and will be arrested. Yes, that does mean you will be taken out of the bar in handcuffs, taken to jail, and possibly your car impounded. I have seen it live at the PHC. Nina, none of us are perfect, that's why I don't like finger pointing. There are air dancers that will look down on dancers that bump and grind, and there bump and grind dancers that will look down on extras dancers, and there are extras dancers that will look down on cheap extras dancers, and there are cheap extras dancers that will look down on BBFS dancers. It just never ends, that's why I titled the thread "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 04:59 PM
JD, I am getting very sick of you telling me what my own earnings are. I KNOW how much money I make. I KNOW how much money I average.

Again, I already challenged you to try to refute what I'm saying by coming into the bar and watching me work. I'm not telling you how much you make (at least I'm not trying to) I'm just saying I'm not buying it. If someone tells me the world is flat I have the right to not believe them. If you really are making that much cash then it shouldn't matter what I think, or what the other girls are doing. The way you are getting all defensive about it; makes me doubt it even more, I do have the right to doubt someone don't I? I never called you a liar, did I? I just said I'm not buying it.

Like I said I know the owner (Jason) very well, I could find out anything from your locker number to how many dances you did that night (they still log a dancers dances right) Nina, I just don't care that much to come up there a watch you for 7 hours, it's not that big of a deal to me. Sorry If I upset you.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 05:37 PM
This doesn't even make sense to me. As a business owner myself, I am constantly worried about not following the rules and regulations set by the fed and state government. Seriously, why would SC owners put themselves at risk for slightly more money but they could not only lose their club but also be heavily fined and more? There could be criminal charges like what happened in Seattle. I danced at a club there for like 5 days and called it quits. It was too risky with cops raiding that place handing out tickets like candy every week. Plus, as other posters have said, one instance of making a buck is not worth getting something that lasts a lifetime to me! If those girls want to do that, fine, but do it where it's not putting other girls at risk who "didn't sign up for that". Years later I read the feds built a case against that club in Seattle and the other clubs they owned. Major jail-time for the owners! If I were a SC owner I would do it the clean way with nice looking girls who have self-worth who follow the rules. You can follow the rules and still be fun and make money for the club. If extras were legal then that's that but they aren't. Can someone explain to me how earning X amount more (I can't seriously believe it would be much more) for allowing illegal activity is worth losing your entire business and much more? Maybe it depends on the area, idk, but I would rather make an honest living legally than risk losing everything I worked for.That would be a question for the bar owners. I can only speak for Metro Detroit, but here are some of the costs for a customer (maybe Nina can post some house fees)

Valet $7 to $8 plus tip.
Cover $10 to $20
Coat check $2 to $5
Drinks $7 to $9.... Bottle service $100 and way up (Detroit sells a lot of bottles)
VIP booths $20 to $50
VIP room tax $20 to $50
Burgers and Fries $10
Surf and turf $25 to $50
And the black clubs can be a lot more, I've seen $100 valet.

Holly_V
04-27-2013, 05:44 PM
The OP clearly does not have any ulterior motives when he persistently normalizes and defends extras girls the clubs he frequents...

Exactly what I was thinking. Also I like how he is telling us that to fix the extras girl problem we need to go to management, as though that is new information. OMG I never thought of that. Thank you so much Dirt Joe. Now we all know how to deal with it I'm sure it won't be a problem much longer.

Whilst I 'judge' extras girls I have even more disdain for customers who come to the SC for sexual services rather than go to an escort.

Joe Dirt
04-27-2013, 05:47 PM
The OP clearly does not have any ulterior motives when he persistently normalizes and defends extras girls the clubs he frequents...I concur.... lol...

Holly_V
04-27-2013, 05:53 PM
[FONT=&] "if anybody does extras for under X-amount they will be fired." I have also heard this from some of the dancers I know very well (and their not trying to upsell me)

lol if you say so

rickdugan
04-27-2013, 06:15 PM
Like I said I know the owner (Jason) very well, I could find out anything from your locker number to how many dances you did that night (they still log a dancers dances right) Nina, I just don't care that much to come up there a watch you for 7 hours, it's not that big of a deal to me. Sorry If I upset you.

This just did not need to be said. Act like you've been there before. The only reasons that I can fathom for saying this are to brag and to put Nina on the defensive. This is just a whopping FAIL.

And I can't imagine that the owner of this club would be thrilled to see: (1) his name dragged into this conversation at all, particularly given some of your more silly comments; and (2) any implication that he casually runs his mouth about dancers' business. So if he is a friend or even a good acquaintance, you just did him a disservice as well. Another FAIL.

Sorry dude, but this post showed a real lack of both judgment and maturity.

Deaddolly
04-27-2013, 06:23 PM
Guy.....this is the 3rd jab you have taken at me....now who's starting trouble?

Edit

Rick beat me to it.

I think the person who doesn't have the guts to outright say what they think and is on the fence/being passive aggressive or nasty nice under the guise of trying to have a "civil argument" is the one starting trouble. But wait you had to since we know what happened the first time. Using second person along with a posters name is purposefully rude too. I don't think any of the women here could give such good advice if they weren't good at what they do/top earners. Besides there's only a few people at the top anyway.

You're just a casual observer none of your suggestions/advice is ground breaking/insider info or even true in some cases. Guys make these claims to boost their ego/get one over on someone in the adult industry/put them down. Or try to anyway. Nothing new. Just another person claiming "they" know so much.

You sound just like guys that blackmail girls or attempt to.lol Talk about a power trip.

Some men who are not secure of themselves/jealous of adult industry workers get off on acting like this. And once again I'll remind you the ribbons indicate gender.

safado
04-27-2013, 06:26 PM
I'm not telling you how much you make (at least I'm not trying to) I'm just saying I'm not buying it. If someone tells me the world is flat I have the right to not believe them. If you really are making that much cash then it shouldn't matter what I think, or what the other girls are doing. The way you are getting all defensive about it; makes me doubt it even more, I do have the right to doubt someone don't I? I never called you a liar, did I? I just said I'm not buying it.

Like I said I know the owner (Jason) very well, I could find out anything from your locker number to how many dances you did that night (they still log a dancers dances right) Nina, I just don't care that much to come up there a watch you for 7 hours, it's not that big of a deal to me. Sorry If I upset you.

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Raider
04-27-2013, 06:51 PM
I'm not telling you how much you make (at least I'm not trying to) I'm just saying I'm not buying it. If someone tells me the world is flat I have the right to not believe them. If you really are making that much cash then it shouldn't matter what I think, or what the other girls are doing. The way you are getting all defensive about it; makes me doubt it even more, I do have the right to doubt someone don't I? I never called you a liar, did I? I just said I'm not buying it.

Like I said I know the owner (Jason) very well, I could find out anything from your locker number to how many dances you did that night (they still log a dancers dances right) Nina, I just don't care that much to come up there a watch you for 7 hours, it's not that big of a deal to me. Sorry If I upset you.


So, if you know how many dances she does....does that mean you also know how much her customers tipped her? Do you know how much her customers at the table that never got dances tipped her? What reason would she have to lie? Doubting what someone is saying is true and you saying you have the right not to believe them is the same as saying the person is lying. Merely semantics.