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Incantatious
04-28-2013, 10:51 AM
"I firmly believe that through diplomacy and hard work, we can collectively try to convince the girls charging $1/min to re-think their strategies." Okay, so just like it would be absurd to think we're going to all make user accounts and nag girls who charge less than we wish they would, how on earth are we going to get girls to raise their rates through "diplomacy and hard work"? This makes NO sense to me. WHY IS IT ANYONE'S BUSINESS WHAT OTHER GIRLS CHARGE???? I know it's been debated time and time again on the forum and every time we all basically come to the general consensus that while it may be annoying to deal with guys who expect you to charge low rates because other girls do, overall it doesn't affect girls who charge more because there will always be a market for more expensive girls who offer a more customized experience.

You are right; I concede to this.

I still don't think Jaana's intentions were necessarily bad though, and it does really sadden me that she felt compelled to delete her initial post off the back of the responses she got.


As far as the issue of camgirls from non-English speaking countries; yes, I have lost shows because I don't speak Spanish and almost all the other girls in my category are from South America and they do speak Spanish. And yes, I have probably lost potential guys who won't even enter my room because they assume I don't speak English just like most of the other girls in the Latina category on my site don't speak English. It happens. At the end of the day, there's nothing I can do to change that (other than perhaps learn Spanish, which I am working on and slowly improving). At the end of the day, I'm still making what I want/need so the issue of location/language doesn't really impact my ability to support myself through camming. This is just the way it is and I don't know how indicating that in a survey is meant to make it somehow better.

I'm not completely sure that performer-client interaction where language was concerned was necessarily exclusively what she was driving at with her questions.

CourtneyRaine
04-28-2013, 12:34 PM
Thank you, Incantatious. Have I told you lately that I admire you?

Anyway, I would like to hear from Jaana what she *was* driving at with this poll. Though obviously she has a life outside of StripperWeb so I guess I'll just have to wait here patiently :)

It seems to me (and please correct me if I'm wrong Jaana) that is poll was designed to prove... something... about the way cam girls in non-English speaking countries are perceived? I am from the States so I'm fortunate that I've never had guys mistreat me due to my location, though I have to a minor degree lost out on some money due to language barriers which I've already mentioned. Maybe I just don't understand why being from an Eastern European country is that big of a deal? Yes, guys will insult you and tell you you've got to charge lower because of where you're from, so that's got to suck. Stereotypes are always hard to deal with but we ALL face stereotypes regardless of where we are from. Whether it's skin color, hair color, boob size, clothing size- I could go on and on but cheap guys are Always going to try to find a way to devalue someone in order to get something for cheap or free. Your location is just one of the many things that cheap guys will use against you to try to manipulate you and break you down for their own benefit.

As far as it doesn't pay to be nice? Psh, I beg to differ! How asking us to take this poll was "nice" I have no idea (not implying that it was "not nice"). I just... Some days I just wish I had more clarity.

CarmenF
04-28-2013, 12:39 PM
Oh my. I took the survey. I don't know what she was trying to prove and I am curious. If I had found it offensive I would've clicked on the little X button in the tab and would've gone on with my life. I didn't feel threatened by it, maybe this can lead to good discussions, maybe not. But why make a big deal?
Plus if people were trolling it then the trolls were pretty nice to give those answers.

Incantatious
04-28-2013, 12:41 PM
Thank you, Incantatious. Have I told you lately that I admire you?

Aw thank you Courtney! And right back atcha bb! ;D

CourtneyRaine
04-28-2013, 12:49 PM
Aw thank you Courtney! And right back atcha bb! ;D

D'aww!

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/happy-oh-stop-it-you-l.png

MissSassyPickles
04-28-2013, 01:04 PM
So... someone did something that they thought would help others and had good intentions in doing so. The people who it was intended to help didn't think it was helpful and stated such. The person who was trying to help decided it was pointless and gave up. Doesn't this prove everyone's points, your own reaction?

The best way to improve camgirl relations is to be the example! We all watch other cam models. I bet there was a model watching Incantatious say how much she loves American men and get tipped and then think to herself "Ohhh I should show my love to American men too unlike those girls that say they hate them, because look how much she just got tipped! Look at the great energy in her room!".

If we all did that and other model's see the good results, then they will follow, it's inevitable. Those that continue to have bad behavior will either start making so little money they give up, or start watching other model's to figure out what they are doing wrong and eventually they will "get it".

GlamourRouge
04-28-2013, 01:08 PM
Lol why is everyone saying people are making it into a big deal? No one made it into a big deal. Its not a big deal. People were just pointing out their opinions and facts about it being biased. That doesn't mean its a big deal.

CourtneyRaine
04-28-2013, 01:21 PM
So... someone did something that they thought would help others and had good intentions in doing so.

But HOOOOOOOW bb? How was this survey supposed to help me, or any other girls???

Swear to gosh I feel like the freaking Densest girl in the world right now. I filled it out under the assumption that this survey was going to improve cam girl relations as stated in the original post (which was later edited). But HOOOOOOOOW is this survey/thread gonna do that? Either I'm incredibly not thinking clearly or what, I dunno, this all just feels like a thread gone wrong.

Maybe it's just time for a StripperWeb break for me.

tlulu
04-28-2013, 01:26 PM
Here are my thoughts on pricing (since it's been a repeated topic in this thread):

Armani makes high end clothes and sell them for a super high price.

Forever 21 makes affordable clothes for cheap.

Both are mega corporations that make money. Both have a different hustle. Both have a different clientele. It is no different with cam girls.

MissSassyPickles
04-28-2013, 01:39 PM
But HOOOOOOOW bb? How was this survey supposed to help me, or any other girls???

Swear to gosh I feel like the freaking Densest girl in the world right now. I filled it out under the assumption that this survey was going to improve cam girl relations as stated in the original post (which was later edited). But HOOOOOOOOW is this survey/thread gonna do that? Either I'm incredibly not thinking clearly or what, I dunno, this all just feels like a thread gone wrong.

Maybe it's just time for a StripperWeb break for me.

I'd like to know too. I can only guess but maybe it was something along the lines of "knowledge is power". But what can we do with that knowledge? We can't "make" anyone do anything, so it goes back to working on ourselves and then helping those if they WANT help.

Don't worry bb you're not dense :)

Pottymouth101
04-28-2013, 01:40 PM
I thought everyone was being very nice. But then again the word nice is kinda subjective,isn't it? I saw the topic of the thread and thought "ooo thats interesting? Lets take a look!" Then I saw the survey and thought and still think the questions and answers were a bit leading. I completed it in the hopes we could have a mature conversation. And then offer more feedback about the survey giving constructive criticism. Everyone has done that so far. But unfortunately the original poster has deleted and moved on with all the pertinent info because the additional feedback does not fall into the confines of her survey.

On a side note I love Stripperweb and I think it's awesome that women feel open enough here to ask questions. I love it even more that there are women here who are willing to give answers and offer input. Even when it may be the adverse opinion.

lewandowskaewelina
04-28-2013, 01:47 PM
OK honestly i had nightmares because of this thread !!!!

All i gotta say that this world is much bigger than streamate and camming industry go explore the world yourself and u will find rich/poor, good/bad, educated/uneducated people everywhere. This discusion is kinda pointless cause the roots of this "issue" are much deeper than this. Its within us, whatever i am gonna say its not gonna change some people's point of view of this issue (unless they want to). And again its 21st century and daamnn puting people in lower/higher categories is just damn sad and thats whhat natzis used to do. If everyone had a chance to travel and be open-minded about people and cultures this WROLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE :)

but sadly....

Classy_Katy
04-28-2013, 02:03 PM
Can we not just try to be objective about this? It's simply a survey...people are interpreting it differently and having different emotional reactions to it, that is not about the survey, it is about them. The survey is triggering some people's issues but that is not the fault of the survey.

lewandowskaewelina
04-28-2013, 02:08 PM
"this survey is triggering some people's issues" I DONT HAVE ANY ISSUEs if i had i wouldnt be doing great on SM.

Jaana
04-28-2013, 02:09 PM
I don't have a problem with people giving their imput. i do have a problem with people insulting me, insinuating that somehow I don't have an "open mind" or that i didn't get the answers that "I wanted". i didn't "want" any answers. i wanted to know where everyone stood. I wanted to know how everyone felt and what was on everyone's mind. i wanted to know what people felt were the biggest issues facing us. i didn't make this shit up, and honestly not a single response I got was remotely indictive of what a troll would write. I posted it here, on my site, and on WeCamGirls in the verified section. I don't know who mentioned Reddit, but that's a fucking lie. The questions about segregation and judgement weren't based on my views, but on things I've seen people write. i thought regional judgement was a bigger issue than it apparently is. if you all want me to screenshot every single response i got, as far as write ins, I can take the time to do that but for the love of Yzerman I don't appreciate being insulted. IT WAS A VOLUNTARY SURVEY BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW HOW PEOPLE FELT AND WHAT THEY WERE THINKING. Excuse me for giving a shit and wanting us to all do better at this.

simone87
04-28-2013, 02:10 PM
"this survey is triggering some people's issues" I DONT HAVE ANY ISSUEs if i had i wouldnt be doing great on SM.

i think she means emotional issues, not money-making issues

Pottymouth101
04-28-2013, 02:14 PM
Goodbye!

lewandowskaewelina
04-28-2013, 02:14 PM
Janna nothing against u !!!! dont feel bad, its a touchy subject thats all. And i am sure that u were brave enough to face this issue and u didnt mean to hurt anyone. I am not hurt or anything my life doesnt revolve around those issues.... solution for this would be "Only way not to get hurt is to not give a fuck" simply..... cause we wont change this industry or people's views.

Jaana
04-28-2013, 02:16 PM
Janna nothing against u !!!! dont feel bad, its a touchy subject thats all. And i am sure that u were brave enough to face this issue and u didnt mean to hurt anyone. I am not hurt or anything my life doesnt revolve around those issues.... solution for this would be "Only way not to get hurt is to not give a fuck" simply..... cause we wont change this industry or people's views.People don't realize how much shit I GET from customers because of where I live, not to mention what i've seen other girls say, which is where the segragation questions came from. it wasn't an idea I made up. it wasn't because I hate everyone that doesn't live in Finland or Canada.

CarmenF
04-28-2013, 02:18 PM
I referred to Making a big deal to people that did more than opinions which are great, but... making a big deal!

GlamourRouge
04-28-2013, 02:23 PM
People don't realize how much shit I GET from customers because of where I live, not to mention what i've seen other girls say, which is where the segragation questions came from. it wasn't an idea I made up. it wasn't because I hate everyone that doesn't live in Finland or Canada.

No one insulted you. If you are referring to me, I was just stating that it wasn't a well designed psychological survey. Of course I'm used to pointing that stuff out because I worked in a neurobehavioral research lab for 7 months and this is the kind of stuff I did all day. It was solely about organizing, designing, and analyze data from anonymous surveys lol. So I'm prone to noticing those things, which is why I pointed it out. And it stemmed from someone giving her opinion about how she felt about it (that it was steered in a negative direction) so I commented why she probably thought that. You can't fault people for their opinions anyway.

But again, no one attacked you.



Here are my thoughts on pricing (since it's been a repeated topic in this thread):

Armani makes high end clothes and sell them for a super high price.

Forever 21 makes affordable clothes for cheap.

Both are mega corporations that make money. Both have a different hustle. Both have a different clientele. It is no different with cam girls.

I agree. You can't change what other girls are doing, or persuade them into doing something else. People hate that. All you can do is offer something different and poach some of their clientele by doing so.

Its like when religious people come soliciting to your door trying to explain why their religion is superior, thinking that if you knew about it, you'd automatically join because its soooo amazing. When really, that's not the case.

CarmenF
04-28-2013, 02:26 PM
I never said I was being attacked xD and I liked your opinions too!