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Nikki_Fox
05-05-2013, 12:27 PM
was originally posted by angela cummings 6/18/11 in camming connection
New Camgirls and Common Courtesy
I'm seriously really frustrated right now. Like a lot of you here, I come here to receive advice, answers to my questions, and support, but I try to give it too. Even within the past few months it seems like the amount of really informative posts are dwindling and the number of irrelevant/random/stupid posts are increasing. I thought the primary reason we were all here is to make money? This isn't geared towards a particular person but I've noticed that more and more threads with info are being read but nobody contributing to them and there are lurkers just taking taking taking and never giving back, or even thanking. I find it kind of disgusting actually. I've read here some newbies getting offended at some of the vets here who they feel come across as attacking or belittling them, etc. Now that I've been here over a year I can see both sides, so I'm begging you girls... Obviously I don't own this forum and I don't make the rules nor am I trying to demand anything. I'm just saying all of this as a member and observer. But, I think that if we do these things it may make this a better experience for ALL of us. So, Please:
New Girls
- Please read before you post. PLEASE use the search function and look through the first few pages both in this section, as well as the other work section if you are new to this and you are about to ask a question. MissEgo has taken the time to start a very informative thread for new girls and a lot of helpful and experienced camgirls here have contributed to it so please READ it! Today I saw THREE separate threads made for the exact same question. Really?? We can do that better than that!
- Choose your questions wisely. A lot of questions here have extremely obvious answers and should never be asked if someone has done their homework, or even uses common sense. When the obvious questions are asked, it kind of throws things off course and causes a lot of threads with substance and actual information to be buried and lost in the sea of posts and it makes it harder for other new girls to find the information that they need, thus starting a vicious cycle of repeat questions.
- Don't be needy. If you come here expecting for people to hold your hand and take time (and money, since time is money) to walk you through this step by step, then you will most likely get some rude comments directed towards you at some point. Use this place as a helpful resource and a nudge in the right direction, not a crutch. Google is your friend! If you can't find a few things on your own, then you probably won't be successful in this business. Being a camgirl (or a successful one at least) requires some independence and initiative. If momma ducks just carried baby ducks on their backs all day and never let the baby ducks ever waddle and fall on their own, then they would be enabling them to be crippled, never learn to walk, and never reach their full potential.
- Be a Team PLayer. Don't be selfish and only think about how you can get help yourself - Always think about how YOU can make a positive contribution and help make this forum a better place. If you are asking for help, don't be afraid to share if (when you are doing your own research like a good little camgirl) you find something interesting or potentially helpful. Even if you aren't very knowleadgable yet, there is still something you may be able to contribute to the forums, even if its not in this particular section. But the number of girls who just come in here expecting answers and never even trying to contribute makes me feel sick. This is supposed to be a community!
- Show Your Appreciation. This one really gets me. I have observed numerous times girls, especially new girls, ask a TON of questions they could have easily found the answer to, get very detailed and informative answers by experienced camgirls, and respond with not even so much as a simple "thank you". Really??! How hard is it two type two words, or even simpler, click the freaking "thanks" button? Several newbs/semi-newbs have like 50 threads asking guestions and yet they have yet to show their appreciation and haven't thanked a single person who has given them advice. NO ONE here owes you a FUCKING thing. They could keep all of their tips and advice to themselves... afterall, in some aspects we are each other's direct competition so it may even be to their advantage if you fall flat on your face and fail. Don't take the help for granted, they really don't have to take the time to answer your questions and help you make money, especially when it may actually be taking money OUT of their pockets. Maybe I'm just an anomaly but my parents raised me to have this thing called manners. When people help me or when I read a post that is informative I "thank" them.
Experienced Girls/Vets
- Don't be a bitch. I know this has been said recently but I feel it could use re-iterating. To rag on newgirls and treat them like they are an inferior subspecies of human is not only uncalled for, but it's hypocritcal. We were ALL new at some point, and this business can be intimidating. If you don't have anything nice or at least any legitimate constructive criticism, then maybe you should try keeping your mouth shut. It gets on my last nerve when a new girl asks a question that was perhaps stupid or naive and vets run to it to it say something mean without contributing anything of substance. It only starts flamewars which gets everyone off topic and breeds new off topic posts, burying the threads that are actually legit and helpful. Being here for a while doesn't given you the right to be a condescending ass-hole.
- Don't be a know-it-all. Ok so you may have some experience under your belt, but guess what? You don't know everything so don't pretend to. Some of you all state your mere opinions as set-in-stone-fact . Don't automatically try to publicly discredit someone who is trying to contribute, just because their opinion differs from yours. Have a little respect! Show others your appreciation and thanks someone when they've helped you or taught you something new. Be open to new ideas and concepts and don;t just dismiss someone's ideas because it's different than what YOU've done in the past.
ALL GIRLS
- Let's use this section for what it is intended for! Getting support and advice on life is important and there is a time and place for it, but this section is for camming, can we please try to keep it concise and to the point? I come on here to learn and share about CAMMING, but lately it seems like every other thread turns into a soliloquy about someone's personal drama or their life story There are plenty of other sections on this forum to post more off-topic subjects.
justanothercamgirl
05-05-2013, 01:08 PM
I must say that in my own personal experience I was never afraid or intimidated to post on this forum and I have a severe anxiety disorder. (*laughs*)
I am not going to lie, I did find some of the veteran girls back then seemed to be stroking their egos with their ability to snark someone who was newer to the board but then again I have experienced this phenomenon with every online forum I've ever joined.
Maybe I've just been unlucky with the forums I've frequented in the past but I never took anything that any of the snarky girls on SW said to me (or say to me now) to heart. I just continue to sift through 'the garbage' to find the diamonds and gold of useful information that is hiding beneath the surface.
Marina Starr
05-05-2013, 01:19 PM
I agreed with justanothercamgirl! I was once a newbie and never once have I felt intimidated. To the newbies who are afraid or intimidated, why are you giving so much power to people that you dont even know?
justanothercamgirl
05-05-2013, 01:19 PM
Maybe I am so naive and positive about being more polite to newbies because I haven't had time to get bitter and sour with the industry and clients, and that is all headed my way. lol
Or maybe you like to make passive-aggressive comments instead of productive ones.
Who knows?
Jaana
05-05-2013, 01:23 PM
This seems like it's turning into a newbie pity party and it's bothering me. Nobody was rude when iw as new because I didn't ask basic questions. I constantly say stupid shit, who doesn't? But at least i respected the board enough when i joined not to clog the front page with nonsense.
If you think SW is too harsh or rude to new people, dear god never join Freeones.
Marina Starr
05-05-2013, 01:32 PM
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Or maybe you like to make passive-aggressive comments instead of productive ones.
Who knows?
Timor
05-05-2013, 01:32 PM
I've been trying to direct new girls to this forum when they come to me with questions off tumblr, twitter, etc because of the community it is. I don't spoon-feed - I tell them the forum has been around for years and that the search bar is their best friend, but that the members will help out if it's needed and you REALLY can't find anything. I let them know that all sex work is baptism by fire and that we will offer advice and support, but never hold their hand through it.
SW has been absolutely invaluable to me and it's where I've gathered all of my information. I literally think I perved the entire forum (CC, hustle hut, stripping, everything) for about a year before I even really made my first post. I informed myself of the risks involved, thought about it until my brain nearly blew up, and then went and bought my first webcam. We're technically each other's competition (as was gone over in one of the 'advice for newbies' threads) and of course there'll be jealousy, but the amazing thing about it is that we USE that jealousy to light the fires under our own asses. MissEgo and I chat all the time - she makes WAY more than me, do I hate her for it? Nope. Am I jealous? Yes, but it's the good jealousy. The "I can do that too" jealousy. I have begun to make some incredible friends on here and I want to see ALL of you succeed.
So, newbies, take vivianbear's post to heart - there is NO 'answer'. There is no be-all-end-all formula for camming that will make you earn bank every single time you log on. What works for us may not work for you. You have to figure out your own selling points, have a few glory days, but most importantly - you have to get burned a few times. You don't learn if you don't make mistakes.
sophiesecrets
05-05-2013, 01:33 PM
Jus wana say that im not complaining =) i find this site helpful... i post my ass off but i find that when i have a question, i can usually find the answer with a lil bit of searching =) If i need to post, ill post. Still just happy to be surrounded by camgirls. GURL POWA!
SweetieBelle
05-05-2013, 01:41 PM
I agreed with justanothercamgirl! I was once a newbie and never once have I felt intimidated. To the newbies who are afraid or intimidated, why are you giving so much power to people that you dont even know?
It does seem pretty stupid when you put it that way. My grandmother did always tell me I was way too sensitive. Thicker skin time. 8)
JoJoX
05-05-2013, 01:50 PM
You're right....I'm guilty as charged.
TrixieDarling
05-05-2013, 02:31 PM
As a newbie myself, I find the insight in this thread to be very interesting. While I have seen the snarky responses and gifs that others have referred to; I do want to state that I (and my posts), personally, have been met with nothing but kindness and helpful advice. So, why are certain new girls' posts "treated" differently on this forum? I think the answer has been repeated so often that to reiterate it myself would be like beating a dead horse.
So instead I will say this:
I spend hours reading this forum everyday. Every morning I log on while I drink my coffee. There is an amazing abundance of information contained here. AMAZING. I am constantly in awe of how selflessly you all provide advice and support for each other. I have not only learned so much more than I had ever imagined I would, but I have also developed an insanely high amount of respect for each and every one of you! I am, honestly, eternally grateful for this resource that YOU all provide.
And you ladies - you wonderful, glorious camwhores - are my angels!
:iloveyou:
TheBrownFox
05-05-2013, 03:16 PM
What's funny is that I remember being new to this forum and getting into arguments with people who were known for being blunt and "telling it like it is," and their posts were very much like vivianbear's earlier posts in this thread...though I think the girls I'm referring to were a tad more blunt than viv. I used to think to myself "What's with the attitude of some of these girls on here, and why are these other nice girls siding with them?" LOL. Eventually, I realized that within those blunt/somewhat harsh posts were inspiring messages that cam girls need to pay attention to. There's no hard feelings now, and me and one of those girls are now following each other on Twitter. I respect the hell outta her (she's the OP of the 'Dear Diary: The Life of Real Cam Girls' thread, btw).
Special_K
05-05-2013, 03:50 PM
My very humble opinion:
I can see how it could be intimidating posting for new ladies, and it shouldnt be that way, we should be like a lil family. So yes, why not have a more gentle approach w newbies and make them feel welcome and more comfy. On the other side I do recommend everyone to read the stickies and search around, you will be surprised of how many posts can show up, one example: background checks and your future, or people finding out. So look around, if you still cant find, or have doubts more than welcome to ask, and all these lovely ladies will help. And to end my post, new girls, thanks to those who open a thread and DO stick around, show your appreciation to the replies, and give your opinion wether you agree or not! To me that shows commitment! and not so much a lady who posts and disappears like a ghost on the thread and opens a new one and again is like a ghost. So stick around and even if sometimes we dont like a reply, I dont think its with the purpose of hurting anyone, we all have diff personalities and written language doesnt always come exactly as expected.
With that said have a great day newbies, not so newbies, and vetarans :)
Pottymouth101
05-05-2013, 04:22 PM
Can someone please tell me what threads those gifs are popping up in? Cuz I for one have not seen them? And for the ones I have seen I fucking love them. I guess I'm reading the wrong threads? But in response to those who want more detailed responses to your questions...please know that when you get responses in the form of links to helpful threads, that person took time out to do the research for you. They had to utilize their memory and the search option to gather that info for you. Something that you can very easily do for yourself. So it's not always a bad thing when info is posted that way. I have said it before and I will say it again, I love this forum. It's one of my favorites. Everything you need to know about the adult industry is right here. If its not all spelled out then this forum is filled with leads. Read Read Read and then when you're done put your own stank on it.
Marina Starr
05-05-2013, 04:47 PM
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Can someone please tell me what threads those gifs are popping up in? Cuz I for one have not seen them? And for the ones I have seen I fucking love them. I guess I'm reading the wrong threads? But in response to those who want more detailed responses to your questions...please know that when you get responses in the form of links to helpful threads, that person took time out to do the research for you. They had to utilize their memory and the search option to gather that info for you. Something that you can very easily do for yourself. So it's not always a bad thing when info is posted that way. I have said it before and I will say it again, I love this forum. It's one of my favorites. Everything you need to know about the adult industry is right here. If its not all spelled out then this forum is filled with leads. Read Read Read and then when you're done put your own stank on it.
Brilynne
05-05-2013, 05:00 PM
Can someone please tell me what threads those gifs are popping up in? Cuz I for one have not seen them? And for the ones I have seen I fucking love them. I guess I'm reading the wrong threads? But in response to those who want more detailed responses to your questions...please know that when you get responses in the form of links to helpful threads, that person took time out to do the research for you. They had to utilize their memory and the search option to gather that info for you. Something that you can very easily do for yourself. So it's not always a bad thing when info is posted that way. I have said it before and I will say it again, I love this forum. It's one of my favorites. Everything you need to know about the adult industry is right here. If its not all spelled out then this forum is filled with leads. Read Read Read and then when you're done put your own stank on it.
I for one posted a Picard double facepalm gif as response to one question. I have no regrets. It was my exact reaction when I read the thread, and I'm not about to take the time to make gifs of myself. (but how much would that rock, we just post gifs of our own facial reactions lmao)
vivianbear
05-05-2013, 05:04 PM
edited : other work is a ghost town due to a mean girl that ran off every new lady who posted there - she is banned now but a lot of potential regular posters left after being belittled and mocked by her
If you and I are thinking of the same member, "S/he" was a damn troll who was never confirmed to have actually existed as she presented "herself". Either that person was a man or s/he was never the escort that people assumed s/he was, based on "her" posts. Seriously. Let's just say, a friend of mine did some background-checking and found a lot of conflicting information about that person. People need to stop putting so much weight into other people's hostile commentary. Especially if that person(a) can't even be verified as real. I may be described as "harsh" but it comes from a very true place of experience. I'm a tangible woman who can be reached and talked to, personally. I see many people on this board following others like sheep to slaughter and then discovering that person either isn't who they say they've been (camgirls gave a cut of their MONEY to a MAN called "PRINCESS", remember?!) or doesn't even exist, to begin with (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?137617-The-quot-Real-quot-Princess-Diaries). Some people need to open their eyes and read between the damn lines. This is the Internet, after all.
I agreed with justanothercamgirl! I was once a newbie and never once have I felt intimidated. To the newbies who are afraid or intimidated, why are you giving so much power to people that you dont even know?
YES! I was never treated poorly, while delving into camming but I also think I took a more critical approach to it, having had extensive experience in the sex industry. I took other women's time more seriously and actually applied what they were saying. I'm seeing less and less of that, today.
To add: whatever happened to just PMing a member, if you have very specific questions, with regards to a topic? The primary way I learned so much about camming/PSOing and NiteFlirt, specifically is because I found the one member who had the most information to contribute to the threads on that topic and wrote to her, personally! I mean, i still read threads and basically look for the poster who seems to know the most about what she's talking about and pay direct attention to her advice. If I have something more intricate to discuss, I'm not afraid to just reach out to her and ask for her input. Who would know better, right? If we're supposed to be here for each other than build a relationship with the people who know more than you! Ask for IMs and set up skype-dates to chat or go over ideas! Move outside your comfort zone a little.
I will always be grateful to the women who personally helped me and contributed to my capabilities, while I started camming. Someone mentioned having a friendly rivalry with a fellow-camgirl. I can totally relate but I also feel a deep admiration for that kind of woman. I want to be as good as she is but I also want to give back to her what she's given to me. That's why I want to get more creative and have something to contribute that's of value. If that woman can utilize some of my advice, someday and make money, that's when I'll consider myself a success.
I'll also say that I can recall another very vocal member of both this board and EDN who came into camming through me and some posters who were more established. She proceeded to milk us all for tactical and strategic information, utilize it, and then employ serious bullying/stalking tactics to undermine other camgirls' business in the same niche. She now has a huge following. I'm not pissed off that she's making money, I'm pissed off that she's capitalizing off of plagerizing and turning against those who have given her advice and guidance. Personally, I was fortunate enough to escape her wrath but my outlook and levels of skepticism will never be the same. She feigned ignorance of the field just long enough to burn everyone who'd helped her, in order to build own her name and she's still out there.
Once again, my PM box is always open.
Pottymouth101
05-05-2013, 05:09 PM
Sending you one right now Mama
Brilynne
05-05-2013, 05:39 PM
And you know what else? I got pointed towards a thread recently. I combed CC for it, didn't see a thread and assumed it didn't exist. That's why I didn't use the search function, we talk about it so much I automatically associated it with camming and since I didn't see it here I thought I didn't exist.
Was I upset someone didn't hand me the answer? Not at all- in fact I was delighted that there existed a whole thread on the topic that I was oblivious to.
I said thank you and went on my merry way. If someone wanted to answer me with a gif, I would've had no right to be upset because it was my own close mindedness that kept me from finding the answer.
Only thing I felt was a little dumb, which it was ;)
SweetieBelle
05-05-2013, 05:59 PM
^agreed- I was new just a few months ago, and I'd search and search for something like "get rid of belly fat" or "self-maintenance" or really anything and the results that come up aren't very helpful. Mostly because those things were mentioned in a post on a thread that now has 35 pages and the search doesn't tell you which page it's on. lol.
I, honestly, was too naive to be intimidated on here, when I first signed up. lol. Maybe people still view me as a noob, idk. But yah, if there are cliques on here, then this is one more place where I won't fit in. :( And we don't need that.
I was having your same problem, too. I've been using Google to search SW and it seems to find things a lot better than the forum's main search.
kitty101
05-05-2013, 05:59 PM
A lot of the new questions are things that can be answered with common sense tho...#js
JoJoX
05-05-2013, 08:08 PM
A lot of the new questions are things that can be answered with common sense tho...#js
I agree. I mean, how can you run your own business when you can't even figure out the basics? Seriously we get questions similar to"How do I turn on my computer?" But I do realize we can be a little harsh at times.
cyberstripper
05-05-2013, 09:51 PM
I totally agree!
Wether you hate newbies or not, get tired of hearing and responding to the same old questions, fact of the matter is:
We only have each other!
That being said, I contribute if I feel I can be helpful. Re-directing to old posts and making snarky comments to newbies does not help them, or help our industry in any way. We all need to stick together, we are in an industry that we must lean on each other and share information for the greater good, as there is no other place where you can get so much valuable information for our industry. Yes, after being in the industry for going on 9 years, I am a wealth of information and I continue to learn about the biz every day. I feel withholding information harms not only newbies and those who want to learn, but it harms our industry all together. The more we all know, the more we are all on the same page, the more we share and grow together, the better this industry can and will become for models like us. There is always something new to learn in this business, even for a vet like me. I personally LIKE to help, that is what this forum is all about.
Always remember, at one point, all of us were newbies and needed information and help, too!
Snowy0Star
05-06-2013, 10:40 AM
I said this in verified about this thread because i just now have some feelings on it. i think its a little insulting and a slap on the face to me all the other girls who actually spent the time reading the stickys and the site related threads saying it not helpful to post links. So to you the only way were considered helpful and being nice is to type the same things over and over again for every n00b that comes in here because theyre too lazy to read the stickys? If the threads are so outdated and so unhelpful why are we still posting in them? I spent weeks reading the threads for 3 weeks i did nothing but shit sleep and eat going thru these threads and I learned a fuckton Youre trying to tell me I would be being mean and unhelpful if i just linked those very same threads to every new person that starts a thread asking for a handout and spoonfeed them that same info without any of the time and work I and everyone else put into going thru them and reading them to get that same info?
Snowy0Star
05-06-2013, 02:41 PM
I'm thinking about writing an all-inclusive copy-and-paste introduction to the forum for any new girl that comes in and posts.
"Hi _____insert name here_____! Welcome to StripperWeb! Before asking anymore questions related to camming, please make sure you have exhausted these links, as it can be overwhelming for the veterans to spoon-feed all of the answers."
(Insert like six links here)
Let us know if you have anymore questions, and if all else fails:
(Insert lookitup.gif here)
It's foolproof.
i kinda already have one i have it saved on a google doc ive used it about 5 times now
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nU0QOCJeFkZ3YwjTW0MExiJrpImp3oaZLAjBKEJc7yk/edit
i havent used it with the recent stream of n00bs and trolls because nothing in it really pertained to what they were asking
if you guys wanna suggest any other threads i should add into it let me know
Marina Starr
05-06-2013, 03:05 PM
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Pottymouth101
05-06-2013, 03:19 PM
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33536
Oh no you didnt!
Pottymouth101
05-06-2013, 03:19 PM
Oh Marina! God Help us all!!!
ukruth
05-08-2013, 02:48 AM
While i agree that replies to newb questions can be a bit snippy at times i do understand the frustration. I have never asked a question and the reason is simple .
I have read every major thread on here , even the ones that don't pertain to me. Hell i read all of the sm thread and im not even on there.
I have read through long thread's where someone has asked a question on page thirty a long the lines off " i dont know if this has been asked yet but theres 30 pages of this already blah blah" , im sorry but to me this means i cant be arsed to read through 30 pages so il just ask, someone will tell me. This imho is laziness, pure and simple.
Maybe if it is slapped down a little it will stop.
There is also the common sense questions, the what do you do in pvt or is camming worth it and so on, these's questions can all be answered by the op themselves with a little common sense.
Now im not saying all newbs that ask questions should be tarred and feathered far from it , all im saying is if the first reply to the question is go here and read this, then we shouldnt jump on the responder for not hand holding and spoon feeding.
Babybunny
05-08-2013, 05:48 AM
Why can't they just ignore them. If you don't want to help can't you just click to the next thread.
What I love about camming is my freedom & being my own boss.
I will be damn if I will come on a website & be told what I can and can't type, ask, post etc.
This site should be open to the spread of new ideas. And I agree that sometimes reading old threads is helpful but I have read a thread before from 2010 & realized the site had changed by the present.
So to me I say let newbies ask whatever, if you feel like helping do it. If not move on.(you probably should be working anyway lol).
twistedprincess
05-08-2013, 05:54 AM
Why can't they just ignore them. If you don't want to help can't you just click to the next thread.
What I love about camming is my freedom & being my own boss.
I will be damn if I will come on a website & be told what I can and can't type, ask, post etc.
Because people love freedom, and part of that freedom means they too can type, ask, post whatever they want, including snarky replies as long as they are within the rules.
Jaana
05-08-2013, 05:58 AM
Because people love freedom, and part of that freedom means they too can type, ask, post whatever they want, including snarky replies as long as they are within the rules.Exactly. freedom is a two-way street.
Snowy0Star
05-08-2013, 06:01 AM
Why can't they just ignore them. If you don't want to help can't you just click to the next thread.
What I love about camming is my freedom & being my own boss.
I will be damn if I will come on a website & be told what I can and can't type, ask, post etc.
This site should be open to the spread of new ideas. And I agree that sometimes reading old threads is helpful but I have read a thread before from 2010 & realized the site had changed by the present.
So to me I say let newbies ask whatever, if you feel like helping do it. If not move on.(you probably should be working anyway lol).
The problem with that is if you dont tell them to look things up nicely and let them know about the stickys and the site threads and the ask any questions thread the boards are going to filled up and clogged from n00bs asking questions they could have found on their own if they were told how to get that info hence the link bombing of post the major sites SM MFC AW ETC havent changed much at all since the threads were first made that are probably soon going to be stickied and the stickys we have now are stickys for a reason. If a site becomes so outdated the OP needs editing - thats what are mods are for and ive seen them do it before theyre awesome theyll do it agian. I dont agree the boards should be a free for all of n00b juice because it makes it harder for the vets to find anything and its pure lazy-ness/naive-ness on the n00b. There shouldnt be a problem telling n00bs new threads are a no no unless u looked up stuffed already and couldnt find it as long as its said nicely the vets know the info thats on here already and when ppl are asking questions that they could have found on their own if they tried because when we were new we looked them up ourselfs or were told about the stickys and threads as well.
Babybunny
05-08-2013, 06:02 AM
Because people love freedom, and part of that freedom means they too can type, ask, post whatever they want, including snarky replies as long as they are within the rules.
Ya & my opinion on that is that it's negative. More negative than a newb asking a question. I don't come here for the negativity. It's a turn off. I've been here a year & posted under 50 times. Because when I see I'm About to post something snarky or sarcastic I stop & think where is this coming from? Is it helpful? What's my real motive? Am I being helpful or just taking my stress out about life on some stranger on a message board.
I think a lot of women on here that act like that are bitter. And maybe they should step away from the keyboard.
justanothercamgirl
05-08-2013, 06:32 AM
Because people love freedom, and part of that freedom means they too can type, ask, post whatever they want, including snarky replies as long as they are within the rules.
Semantically, if they truly loved freedom as a concept they'd be more 'live and let live'.
It is more likely that people are egomaniacs in love with loopholes.
(I mean no disrepect by this statement since it takes one to know one. *laughs*)
Pottymouth101
05-08-2013, 07:50 AM
I guess I must live in a bubble cuz I really dont see this bitter negative behavior that some speak of? I may have seen a few quips here in there but is it really an issue? A snarky comment from one person at lets say 9am usually gets redeemed by a kind comment at 3pm. Thats the way it goes. There is no accounting for inflection and tone cuz it's the internet. So meh, whatever
Jaana
05-08-2013, 08:46 AM
Ya & my opinion on that is that it's negative. More negative than a newb asking a question. I don't come here for the negativity. It's a turn off. I've been here a year & posted under 50 times. Because when I see I'm About to post something snarky or sarcastic I stop & think where is this coming from? Is it helpful? What's my real motive? Am I being helpful or just taking my stress out about life on some stranger on a message board.
I think a lot of women on here that act like that are bitter. And maybe they should step away from the keyboard.Or, you know, they're just frustarted that people are being lazy and rude and don't want to pay their proverbial dues like the rest of us did..but it's cool that you think those of us who get annoyed are somehow bitter. Bitter about what? The fact that I'm not lazy and that I didn't want to be spoon-fed?
I've actually written a few blogs, unrelated to camming, about the obsession American society has with "positivity", that's actually negativity, because it encourages people to repress their negative thoughts and opinions rather than express them freely and openly. So, instead of a few snarky posts here and there when someone is having a rough week, our society would rather people just...hold it in. When that happens, the negativity doesn't just go away, on the contrary. It builds and builds until you have a situation where something as simple as a customer saying something only mildly annoying sets you off like the fourth of fucking July.
And please don't post about negativity, and then in the same post insult some of us. That's not how being positive works.
justanothercamgirl
05-08-2013, 08:54 AM
I've actually written a few blogs, unrelated to camming, about the obsession American society has with "positivity"
I freaking hate the positivity movement.
I think my argument against it is best summed up by this video:
Smile or Die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
P.S. Law of Attraction believers. It would do you some good to watch this if you ever want to understand my seething hatred over the book 'The Secret'.
Fifi_McKnight
05-08-2013, 09:49 AM
I just joined recently and you know what I've been doing? Reading thread after thread after thread after thread. If I have a question and I haven't found the answer here I look it up on Google and get the answer elsewhere. I too have a notebook full of my research/ideas/account names/timesheet/etc that I started when I started looking into this line of work previous to my first session yesterday. Yes, I can see where some people might get brought down by comments here that seem counter productive, but there's really no excuse for not finding out the information on your own. If I get to a point where I have a question/idea/rant/other that I haven't seen a trillion times here and I haven't found a suitable answer elsewhere then I will feel comfortable posting.
It also helps that I've been on/ran forums of my own before. Many people don't understand what it's like when something small and small-vein-inducing happens over and over again. I ruled my forum with an iron fist but everyone was happy there and there wasn't a lot of extraneous information to sift through! Would we expect the custies to REALLY know what it feels like to be hassled all day by horny freeloaders? I agree that maybe I feel a little more intimidated here than I usually do when joining forums... but I mean come on. We are all business ladies, and we are ALL bosses, we're all lovely ladies but we have that mentality and we don't put up with a lot of bullshit. Once I get to know you girls better I'm sure I will become more comfortable. That is how it is an ANY new social setting. You don't just run up to a group of friends that are hanging out together and insert yourself in flawlessly, you introduce yourself and grow with the group. I think if we focused on growing together in 'sisterhood' (or whatever you want to think of it) and information then the threads that pop up matter less because we can focus more on the community than on repeating ourselves for 30 years. xD
Personally, I think the traffic on CC is good. There's always some new reply for me to read, and I feel like I'm getting to know all of you better even though you don't really know me yet. :) There's a lot of back-stuff to read (I havent even hit page 5 yet I think on backreading?) and even the information from one or even two years ago is highly useful. I probably won't go back any further than two years, though. Single Mom, working two jobs, I really don't think it will add value to my business if I waste time looking for answers from three years ago when I could pop in quick and ask/get an updated and personal answer to my question. Luckilly I haven't had to do that yet, but we ALL need to weigh out the worth of our time and the worth of the time the girls put into sharing information on this website. If I spend all day searching every thread for the answer to my questions? Well then I'm losing money and that's not fair to me... but if I feel like I am so entitled that I don't even look at all and just pop up a new thread? That's not fair to the wonderful women who frequent this forum!
It's all a huge balance is what I'm trying to say, I guess, and no one is going to be completely happy. OH WELL! :P
Babybunny
05-09-2013, 10:10 AM
I would like to publicly apologize to any ladies who were offended by my use of the term bitter. Or anyone personally offended at all by my post. It's not personal. I just found the ignore button and I would be better to use that than argue, be rude or call anyone names. So I hope we can start fresh because I really mean it. I think I offended more ladies when really it's a few on here that are nasty. Now that I put them on ignore its like they don't exist.
Pottymouth101
05-09-2013, 10:57 AM
I would like to publicly apologize to any ladies who were offended by my use of the term bitter. Or anyone personally offended at all by my post. It's not personal. I just found the ignore button and I would be better to use that than argue, be rude or call anyone names. So I hope we can start fresh because I really mean it. I think I offended more ladies when really it's a few on here that are nasty. Now that I put them on ignore its like they don't exist.
That's very big of you to apologize. But I truly believe anything said on the internet older than 30 minutes should be water under the bridge.
Babybunny
05-09-2013, 11:08 AM
That's very big of you to apologize. But I truly believe anything said on the internet older than 30 minutes should be water under the bridge.
Ya except its been thrown up in my face in other threads so I know I offended people & I didn't mean to. I wish I had been able to convey a positive message without doing that.
Pottymouth101
05-09-2013, 11:18 AM
Ya except its been thrown up in my face in other threads so I know I offended people & I didn't mean to. I wish I had been able to convey a positive message without doing that.
OMG really? Again I guess I must be reading the wrong threads, or the right ones? LOL You said your peace. And that is that. Its the internet we dont really know each other, so.....
justanothercamgirl
05-09-2013, 11:23 AM
That's very big of you to apologize. But I truly believe anything said on the internet older than 30 minutes should be water under the bridge.
Ah yes, but water under the bridge is just water.
What we say on the internet is there for all the world to see for now and forever and if we make a mistake it is best to admit to it for that reason.
justanothercamgirl
05-09-2013, 11:25 AM
Ya except its been thrown up in my face in other threads so I know I offended people & I didn't mean to. I wish I had been able to convey a positive message without doing that.
You know when you use the wording such as 'it has been thrown up in my face' instead of 'and I now see the error of my ways' then it makes an apology seem.....well less apologetic, right?
Babybunny
05-09-2013, 12:01 PM
You know when you use the wording such as 'it has been thrown up in my face' instead of 'and I now see the error of my ways' then it makes an apology seem.....well less apologetic, right?
No, I was responding to her saying that it should be forgotten. So I'm saying she may think that but because it has been brought up to me in other threads I obviously offended some ladies and that's why I wanted to apologize. That's the reason for my post which this lady was saying shouldn't be necessary but I think it is. And I'm not taking away my apology or lessening it.
Jaana
05-09-2013, 12:14 PM
No, I was responding to her saying that it should be forgotten. So I'm saying she may think that but because it has been brought up to me in other threads I obviously offended some ladies and that's why I wanted to apologize. That's the reason for my post which this lady was saying shouldn't be necessary but I think it is. And I'm not taking away my apology or lessening it.Nobody has thrown anything in your face, from what i've seen. i don't understand what you're trying to do here. One minute you apologize and the next you're playing the victim. I'm sure you're a nice girl, but you have to understand that this is just causing more drama.
IsobelWren
05-09-2013, 12:37 PM
No, I was responding to her saying that it should be forgotten. So I'm saying she may think that but because it has been brought up to me in other threads I obviously offended some ladies and that's why I wanted to apologize. That's the reason for my post which this lady was saying shouldn't be necessary but I think it is. And I'm not taking away my apology or lessening it.
I sent you a warning for your previous post before I saw this one. Thank you very much for apologizing, please remember to keep this spirit in the future. :)
IsobelWren
05-09-2013, 01:24 PM
@Lusty I'm going to have to disagree with you on the thought that older threads aren't useful. Lots of the long-running threads have TONS of super useful stuff, and like BrownFox posted, many of the newbie questions are questions that have already been answered, to which solutions remain the same or extremely similar.
@BlueBunny re subsections. It took us months and months of complaining and begging before they even made CC its own section out of Other Work and there are still multiple issues (like double posts and the forum going down like a Catholic school girl (<-I was one, no t no shade) that we've bitched and begged about for months, so while I love the forum and I know that StripperWeb herself is a great lady, I'm not optimistic for change.
@Nikki re the post from 2011 LOL, SEE?! OMG, this is a discussion we've been having for YEARS now. We could even do a, "search" post for these threads when vets start complaining about a new crop of noobs. (OMG, I'm totally going to do that next time) *delights in her bitchiness*
@Jaana re positivity I think of it as artificial harmony and I kiiiinda agree with you. I think that people should strive to be positive and put out good vibes (no, not like that Law of Attraction stuff. Don't get me started on that). I also think that, just like tactless, rude people tend to say, "I tell it like it is," people who are *obsessed* with remaining positive aren't actually being positive but are creating artificial harmony and avoiding conflict when conflict is needed. RP's mom does this. She is literally the nicest person I know, but whenever the conversation around her becomes even the slightest bit adversarial she does everything in her power to make it all nice again. This keeps people from getting things out that needs to be gotten out and makes thing stagnate. Sometimes conflict is needed (you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, etc). When I was a teenager, I was a total homophobe. By the time I got halfway through college I was a card carrying PFLAG member and now I'm in Human Sexuality in my master study. If the people around me had kept artificial harmony, nobody would have called me on my bigoted bullshit and I would still be an insufferable jerk.
Other stuff
There are rude girls here and the forum can be very cliquish. I've seen the stuff you bishes post, I see the mod reports. Nobody is convincing me otherwise :D
When I first became a vet here it was really annoying to me to see girls asking to be, "spoon fed." Around 2010 it was a big part of forum policy to read, read, read before even posting. As a new vet I felt like, "well *I* did the work to read the stickies and long-running threads. What makes *you* so special that you don't have to?" Obvs I'm over it now, but I used to be one of the vets who glared and gifed....well, I still gif.
Re "look it up" gifs and posting the old threads where one would find the information instead of answering in that thread. First, I have a subscription folder called, "recurring threads" and when I see a topic that's been covered before, I just go in there and pull up my search function tutorial and link them. Second, I also have a whole set of bookmarks in Firefox of gifs. So I don't really spend any time on it.
Last, the stuff that has been already covered is extensive and deep. Lots of girls have devoted lots of time to answering these questions. It would be extremely tiresome and take up a LOT of time to answer the same question every time it comes up. I think of it purely as a matter of conservation of energy. I don't have the time in the day to put up a thoughtful reply every time I see another, "will I get outed?" thread. I've already written several helpful and thoughtful replies that I spent a lot of time on. When I see the question asked again, I link to those threads. No malice is intended, I would just really dread visiting the forum if I had to waste my time and energy.
And a link to my search function tutorial. The search function on the site is really great, but it's not at all intuitive. Here's the way to use it the best so that you can actually find stuff without resorting to google:
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169359-How-to-use-the-search-function
EphemeronXOXO
05-10-2013, 07:29 AM
Op! Thank you so much for this thread! Really! My situation is a bit ambivalent, coz although I have been here on this site for 2 months now - still a newbie - but I ve been in and out of camming since 2006, so basically when I came here I already knew a lot. So of course I never needed to ask basic questions which means i have never felt hurt by vets at all. Noone ever attacked me personally but there are and were post here on sw that hurt me like they were meant to be posted for me.
Since I have no family at all this site became my home. So I would like to say thank you for all the lovely ladies who greeted me nicely coz they made me feel like I have found my safe place, where I can be myself and I can talk about the things that keep buggin` me.
Unfortunately a few days ago Ive run into posts that made me furious. I dont even wanna say it - there are girls here who know what Im talkin about - coz although they were really hurtful and mean and I dont wanna cause trouble at all.
I always think before I speak or in this case I type.
For the snarky girls: How much does it take you to be nice or not speak at all?
ANd I understand the frustration I truly do. But for example when I see a dull and mean looking person let just say behind the counter and my first feeling is that i should mock him or her a little for being so dull I rather smile at him or her and ask a few nice things like how was your day or omg it is almost weekend time you must be excited or whatever. And when I see the person smile back at me it makes me literally happy. When you give out good you get back good. It is that easy. And yes it helps also when you are frustrated. Seriously after you left a snarky comment for someone do you feel yourself better? I cant imagine that the answer can be a yes to that question.
SW is a family there are lot of girls who cannot talk to anyone about camming! This should be a warm enviroment for anyone!
@CourtneyRaine you were the very first girl who greeted me so nicely I will never forget that thank you so much! <3
@sophiesecrets I havent seen anyone with a positive vibe like yours since ages! I can wvwn feel that through your words! Thank you so so much! <3
@JoJoX You are one of the ladies who were so incredibly kind to me and kept me motivated that i cannot be greatful enough for that ! Thank you so much <3
@justanothercamgirl you backed me up when I needed it the most! A million times thank you! <3
@Nikki_Fox you made my day happy you wonderful woman you! I completely agree with every single word of yours and it totally worth to figh fo r my rights coz i had the chance to read everything you just have written. Thank you so very much! <3
PS: I ve tried to be polite I really did but you know Im still a foreigner so If my logic or thinking is different than yours Ive never meant to be rude it is maybe just a misunderstanding. (And I hope you all know what I mean) <3<3<3