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Liv.
05-23-2013, 03:44 PM
i never realized that my club was an extras club until i found out that they had condoms behind the bar and customers would proceed to pull there dick out during VIP lapdances and look at me like i didnt get the memo. i remember the first time it happened i went the fuck off. then i found out dancers were giving full service for 50$!! i couldnt believe it . i get solicited for sex on a daily basis and it pisses me off

Optimist
05-23-2013, 09:48 PM
I hope this thread never stops because it gives me hope that other dancers see what's going on here. I don't feel so alone in my frustration anymore.

So, what can we do about it? We can refuse to do it and spread the word that it's unacceptable behavior.

What we really need are managers and bouncers on our side that care about the future of our industry, not just their pocketbooks.

I too hope this thread goes on for as long as is necessary. I stayed out of it to avoid being called 'anti sex worker' or 'in denial' or anything else that I've been accused of in the past. This thread is why I have the firm belief that most dancers are performers and not sex workers. This is precisely what I meant.

There is a massive difference between the experience of an escort and the experience of a dancer. Dancers aren't easygoing about being groped and grabbed and forcefully touched/penetrated/etc. An escort charges with those behaviors in mind and is cool with it. Seduction and actual sex are two very different things. I too would love to see johns get out of the club and onto the phone/computer to make their connections and leave dancers out of it.

Club managers and owners are running the industry into the ground. There are less guys coming to the clubs because they're chasing a smaller percentage of customers. There are a helluva lot more people willing to pay for entertainment than sexual services. What the top actors make, top singers make, etc. blows away what the top escorts make. We're talking 100s of millions for very "clean" entertainment. But a handful of short sighted people get their little payoffs and could care less about the survival of the industry.

My club, for instance went from having a permanent line out the door for couch dances and for the 25 VIP booths!!! Now in season, you can go in any time with no wait. What's catering to the predatory customer done for the club? Not much. The guys who want entertainment can't be bothered with coming in because they don't want to see a man breast feeding across from him. :rotfl: It's grotesque. Who goes to a club to dance and then wants to see a random guy clawing the breast of a chick who's looks like she's squeamishly or drunkenly tolerating it. :no: Two very different customers.

charlie61
05-23-2013, 09:55 PM
This really makes me wish there were more peep shows. It's like camming, but without the risk that millions of people will see your images online (due to either illegal distribution or tons of faceless people entering your chat room).

I would LOVE to work in a peep show! They still exist, but they're quite rare, and the ones that're still out there tend to be super, super sketchy. They tend to be in terrible parts of town and have equally horrible management...

charlie61
05-23-2013, 10:02 PM
I too hope this thread goes on for as long as is necessary. I stayed out of it to avoid being called 'anti sex worker' or 'in denial' or anything else that I've been accused of in the past. This thread is why I have the firm belief that most dancers are performers and not sex workers. This is precisely what I meant.


I completely hear what you're saying; I see both sides of the 'debate.'

Personally, I identify as a sex worker. It's partially a solidarity thing for me. It's partially because society lumps all of us together, and I'm totally cool with that. It's partly because I've dabbled in nearly all sub-genres of this industry (though I've primarily stripped). And it's partly because I'm a privileged, well-off white chick who gets off on throwing it in bigoted people's faces that it's possible to thrive off of the sex industry without becoming a negative stereotype. Even better if they then assume I've only dabbled in the industry, or that I was "just" a stripper. Neeeeeope.

Artema
05-23-2013, 10:39 PM
^It's a useful perspective - when working, it's best to ignore extras.

However, as this is a support forum, all are allowed to vent. If the thread topic bothers you, then unsubscribe from it.

Yep. But I had an opinion/suggestion. Aren't we allowed to have those? I just choose to deal with issues that bother me in a different way. Whatever I feel is more constructive. Never did I suggest to ignore extras, point blank. Quite the opposite.


I hope this thread never stops because it gives me hope that other dancers see what's going on here. I don't feel so alone in my frustration anymore.

So, what can we do about it? We can refuse to do extras and spread the word that it's unacceptable behavior.

What we really need are managers and bouncers on our side that care about the future of our industry, not just their pocketbooks.

I can see that refusing to do extras and spreading the word that it's unacceptable would make some impact. Sadly it would take awhile (perhaps to the point where it would be too late) for managers and bouncers to understand how it will ultimately 'downgrade' a once very profitable industry.

Artema
05-23-2013, 10:49 PM
But a handful of short sighted people get their little payoffs and could care less about the survival of the industry.

Too bad we can't vote off bad management. Management is the one that turns a blind eye. They don't give a hoot as long as they get $$$$ Money always wins and is truly (okay in some scenarios) the root of all evil. I wonder how they sleep at night...

charlie61
05-23-2013, 10:50 PM
Too bad we can't vote off bad management. Management is the one that turns a blind eye. They don't give a hoot as long as they get $$$$ Money always wins and is truly the root of all evil. I wonder how they sleep at night...

Totally agreed. I think they're in denial. They operate under the attitude of "whatever the girls are comfortable with is fine!" and don't pay attention to the repercussions of that attitude.

Begs the question...it's so easy to vilify the girls for providing extras, but isn't management the core of the problem?

thejayleeh
05-23-2013, 11:08 PM
I completely hear what you're saying; I see both sides of the 'debate.' Personally, I identify as a sex worker. It's partially a solidarity thing for me. It's partially because society lumps all of us together, and I'm totally cool with that. It's partly because I've dabbled in nearly all sub-genres of this industry (though I've primarily stripped). And it's partly because I'm a privileged, well-off white chick who gets off on throwing it in bigoted people's faces that it's possible to thrive off of the sex industry without becoming a negative stereotype. Even better if they then assume I've only dabbled in the industry, or that I was "just" a stripper. Neeeeeope.

+1. Solidarity and autonomy.

I don't do "extras" but have dabbled here and there in other sex worker endeavours. I've worked at some of the dirtiest clubs in my city and now work at one of the cleanest. I didn't change anything in my private dances. Dirty clubs generate patrons, and I still make the rules there, not my coworkers or my patrons. I made good "clean" money in those semen drenched VIPs. So what if I had to get some tetanus shots, I manned up and got over it.

Sex-work of any type for me, is about autonomy. Dancers can work when they want, walk away from customers they don't like, and draw their own boundaries about what is acceptable during a dance. Same for street workers (not completely, but still very similar in terms of autonomy only). Escorts and massage girls get stuck with undesirable custies but don't have to hustle. Web cam girls enjoy safety and zero contact but risk losing anonymity. You get my drift.

Holy digression. Hopefully a useful one. Anyway. If one has a serious problem with extras in the club, I feel like the solution is so simple...

DON'T WORK AT AN EXTRAS CLUB(!!!) These things ought to be and, I think, largely ARE dictated by management. If they happen regularly enough to mess with your cash, it's a management issue. A few girls slipping through the cracks here and there aren't going to have a substantial effect on your income.

I understand the THEORETICAL debate about the distinction between strippers and sex providers and what the THEORETICAL rules of a club should be for girls who want to strictly "dance" (or dry hump, provide over the pants action etc. etc., choose your level of slut) But practically, those distinctions mean very little. They just aren't useful in real world situations.

So why stomp all over someone who does something you wouldn't be willing to do? I don't wear Uggz. You guys keep coming to work in all manner of Uggz. Does it matter? No, this entire paragraph was unnecessary and served no purpose to anyone. Go on witcha bad self in your sparkly ass Uggz, keep on.

Let's not perpetuate stereotypes and the duality/hierarchies of 'dirty to clean(er)'. We could do that ad infinitum for prostitutes alone, nevermind the entire adult industry.

But yeah. What she said. Solidarity and respect for autonomy.

Anyway clearly sobriety is awful. Lets try not overanalyze here. Yeah yeah TLDR. I still hate your Uggz.

Tsepmet1
05-23-2013, 11:24 PM
Sometimes it isn't as easy as switching clubs. Sometimes you have to switch cities/counties/states, and that's not a viable option for many dancers.

Starling
05-23-2013, 11:30 PM
^

DON'T WORK AT AN EXTRAS CLUB(!!!) These things ought to be and, I think, largely ARE dictated by management. If they happen regularly enough to mess with your cash, it's a management issue. A few girls slipping through the cracks here and there aren't going to have a substantial effect on your income.

The thing is people might not have the option to switch to a cleaner club depending on the city they live in and whether extras are rampant there, whether they can get hired at a cleaner club, transportation issues, or just their life circumstances so I understand people coming here to vent their frustrations.

Starling
05-23-2013, 11:34 PM
Sometimes it isn't as easy as switching clubs. Sometimes you have to switch cities/counties/states, and that's not a viable option for many dancers.

Yes, this exactly.

I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where I can sort of bounce around from club to club, with varying levels of reputation. Not everyone can do this.

As much as I would love to pack my bags and move somewhere else, which I really want to do, I have to stay put for now because of other commitments I have to take care of.

thejayleeh
05-23-2013, 11:46 PM
To the last two posters. I can dig. It would be frustrating if the only club in your city was an extras club/brothel and you really just wanted to do clean dances at a clean club. It just is what it is, I guess.

I just don't understand the calls to unite (in similar threads) and make stripping "clean" again. In the 80's Toronto dancers carried around little boxes they'd stand on, and dance at tables in front of customers at tables. Well I live in Toronto circa now, where air dancing is no longer a thing. It practically doesn't exist anywhere and nobody does it. I think a huge part of being a successful dancer is being adaptive to changes in environment/times/mental states...and so on.

But I get it would be frustrating if you had NO choice. I don't think that every dancer complaining lacks the option to leave a dirty club though.

Not trying to be unsympathetic or argumentative. Just tempering with a different perspective.

charlie61
05-23-2013, 11:56 PM
I'm amazed by how well this thread is going. With such an impassioned title, I thought it'd be down in the first page.

:)

Tsepmet1
05-24-2013, 07:56 AM
I'm amazed by how well this thread is going. With such an impassioned title, I thought it'd be down in the first page.

:)

I just have a way with words, ya know? :)

Optimist
05-24-2013, 12:24 PM
+1. Solidarity and autonomy.

I don't do "extras" but have dabbled here and there in other sex worker endeavours. I've worked at some of the dirtiest clubs in my city and now work at one of the cleanest. I didn't change anything in my private dances. Dirty clubs generate patrons, and I still make the rules there, not my coworkers or my patrons. I made good "clean" money in those semen drenched VIPs. So what if I had to get some tetanus shots, I manned up and got over it.

Extras girls undercut what is legal in the clubs. If they want solidarity, why not prostitute outside the club. That is a valid option that they don't exercise because they want to exploit our, dancers, working environment e.g. the legal status and security and flow of customers we pay to create. That's not solidarity, that's exploitation.


Sex-work of any type for me, is about autonomy. Dancers can work when they want, walk away from customers they don't like, and draw their own boundaries about what is acceptable during a dance. Same for street workers (not completely, but still very similar in terms of autonomy only). Escorts and massage girls get stuck with undesirable custies but don't have to hustle. Web cam girls enjoy safety and zero contact but risk losing anonymity. You get my drift.

Once extras girls have become entrenched and proliferated, the number of "clean" customers goes down and the number of johns goes up. Dancers are now forced to deal with the risks that the street walkers in your example have to face. You could draw your own boundaries but if half your coworkers are breaking club rules and the law they have changed the context of your working environment. They should take responsibility for bringing abusive demeaning elements into the workplace of their "sisters", right? Yet they rarely do.


Holy digression. Hopefully a useful one. Anyway. If one has a serious problem with extras in the club, I feel like the solution is so simple...

DON'T WORK AT AN EXTRAS CLUB(!!!) These things ought to be and, I think, largely ARE dictated by management. If they happen regularly enough to mess with your cash, it's a management issue. A few girls slipping through the cracks here and there aren't going to have a substantial effect on your income.

OR extras girls could go work OUTSIDE the club. Funny how it's often it's suggested WE leave OUR clubs. We built this industry and parasites have settled in and claimed to want our sisterhood in their struggle, then get established and order us out. Condescend to say that if you are not comfortable working on a "jizz soaked VIP couch" that you are childish


I understand the THEORETICAL debate about the distinction between strippers and sex providers and what the THEORETICAL rules of a club should be for girls who want to strictly "dance" (or dry hump, provide over the pants action etc. etc., choose your level of slut) But practically, those distinctions mean very little. They just aren't useful in real world situations.

In the "real world" prostitution is illegal. There's nothing theoretical about that. In the real world bouncers and managers on the take destroy the industry. Revenue numbers aren't up over the years of increased extras, their down. Just like the banking crisis, a handful of people have hijacked the industry and will continue to drive it into the ground. This is not because they are cool gals and guys just doing their thing. This is because they are selfish, greedy, and could give a damn about their fellow workers as long as they can keep twisting the existing system.




So why stomp all over someone who does something you wouldn't be willing to do? I don't wear Uggz. You guys keep coming to work in all manner of Uggz. Does it matter? No, this entire paragraph was unnecessary and served no purpose to anyone. Go on witcha bad self in your sparkly ass Uggz, keep on.

Let's not perpetuate stereotypes and the duality/hierarchies of 'dirty to clean(er)'. We could do that ad infinitum for prostitutes alone, nevermind the entire adult industry.

But yeah. What she said. Solidarity and respect for autonomy.

Anyway clearly sobriety is awful. Lets try not overanalyze here. Yeah yeah TLDR. I still hate your Uggz.

Either you open your mouth, complain, and save yourself when people pretend to be your friend as they degrade your working environment or you roll over and let them destroy it. You're talking loud, wy wouldn't we?

Kellydancer
05-24-2013, 01:00 PM
This thread keeps getting sadder and sadder. The reality which many miss is when a club goes from a clean club to extras ridden, not only does the standards of dancers goes down, so does the standard of customers. I have often talked about a club I worked at where this happened and it changed the club. I was one of the top dancers at this club and would regularly leave with over $200, and usually closer to $400 (which probably sounds low but am talking no contact club where dances were $5 bikini and no champagne room). The one manager (I blame them for this problem to be honest)started getting greedy and hired any dancer who walked in the door. It didn't help this club was near a notorious streetwalker corner. These "dancers" started doing extras outside and eventually inside. The decent customers were replaced by scum and the money started drying up if you didn't do extras. Eventually the club was closed for prostitution. I resent these dancers and the manager because it forced me to quit a lucrative club because it became quite dangerous and disgusting. So no, sorry don't have much sympathy for extras dancers. If you can't make money from dancing you shouldn't be dancing.

charlie61
05-24-2013, 01:24 PM
This thread keeps getting sadder and sadder. The reality which many miss is when a club goes from a clean club to extras ridden, not only does the standards of dancers goes down, so does the standard of customers.

Great point.

Optimist
05-24-2013, 01:32 PM
Too bad we can't vote off bad management. Management is the one that turns a blind eye. They don't give a hoot as long as they get $$$$ Money always wins and is truly (okay in some scenarios) the root of all evil. I wonder how they sleep at night...


Totally agreed. I think they're in denial. They operate under the attitude of "whatever the girls are comfortable with is fine!" and don't pay attention to the repercussions of that attitude.

Begs the question...it's so easy to vilify the girls for providing extras, but isn't management the core of the problem?


This thread keeps getting sadder and sadder. The reality which many miss is when a club goes from a clean club to extras ridden, not only does the standards of dancers goes down, so does the standard of customers. I have often talked about a club I worked at where this happened and it changed the club. I was one of the top dancers at this club and would regularly leave with over $200, and usually closer to $400 (which probably sounds low but am talking no contact club where dances were $5 bikini and no champagne room). The one manager (I blame them for this problem to be honest)started getting greedy and hired any dancer who walked in the door. It didn't help this club was near a notorious streetwalker corner. These "dancers" started doing extras outside and eventually inside. The decent customers were replaced by scum and the money started drying up if you didn't do extras. Eventually the club was closed for prostitution. I resent these dancers and the manager because it forced me to quit a lucrative club because it became quite dangerous and disgusting. So no, sorry don't have much sympathy for extras dancers. If you can't make money from dancing you shouldn't be dancing.

I agree with y'all. Both parties are responsible. Smart clubowners up their game without cheap illegal compromises, others go "dirty" and watch the business spiral down.

Optimist
05-24-2013, 01:33 PM
I'm amazed by how well this thread is going. With such an impassioned title, I thought it'd be down in the first page.

:)

Great debating without it getting personal. Ya gotta love it! :D

GlamourRouge
05-24-2013, 03:50 PM
We can complain about extras until we're blue in the face. Is that really going to make them stop? Let me know if it does. I however think it's just drawing more attention..perhaps even encouragement?.. to extras going on. Why don't we discuss what we CAN do to eliminate/avoid/deal with the issue?

Lol the point of sharing these perspectives and experiences is so the OP doesn't feel alone, and doesn't feel like SHE is doing something wrong. The point is that SHE is not the one fucking up, its the other girls doing extras! It changes the dynamic of the club and club customers, and becomes impossible to make money. That can really fuck with your head- especially if your club is #1 or #2 on the list, because you may not even realize extras are occurring in your club if it appears clean at first glance.

Sure, nothing will come of complaining about it (no, it won't change), but it can give you peace of mind to realize what is happening, and realize that YOU are not a bad hustler. Certain clubs/areas should be avoided completely.




But I get it would be frustrating if you had NO choice. I don't think that every dancer complaining lacks the option to leave a dirty club though.

Many don't have a choice though, when all are openly dirty or closeted-dirty and flooded with girls. Places like SF and I would imagine LA, there really are no clean clubs for a lot of dancers. And a lot of the ones that appear clean or nice, extras STILL go on (#1 or #2 on my list on the last page), the girls are just sneaky about it.

What about girls who are in school, or have families in the area? They can't just up and move locations. I was in school, I couldn't move. And that was before I discovered camming. I mean, it wasn't THAT bad, but it was just draining and competing with girls offering different things than I was. And then when I travel danced it was sooooo easy in comparison.




i never realized that my club was an extras club until i found out that they had condoms behind the bar and customers would proceed to pull there dick out during VIP lapdances and look at me like i didnt get the memo. i remember the first time it happened i went the fuck off. then i found out dancers were giving full service for 50$!! i couldnt believe it . i get solicited for sex on a daily basis and it pisses me off

That was totally my experience! A lot of clubs don't look dirty upon first glance, and many don't even have dirty reputations! So you just don't know! Many of those clubs have ~*classy*~ reputations too. Its a mindfuck. It takes working there for a few months til you really see it in action or notice strange things (like in your case, the condom thing).

charlie61
05-24-2013, 03:56 PM
I remember...when extras first started happening in my cute little neighborhood dive, I felt SO alone. And I felt like something beautiful was being destroyed. Threads like these helped me recover my sanity, truly.

Tsepmet1
05-24-2013, 04:21 PM
I'd really like a customer/manager/bouncer/VIP host/waitress take on this...

Does it mess with their heads like it messes with ours?

charlie61
05-24-2013, 04:47 PM
^Oh, I'm sure it does. The problem here is MONEY. The majority of people make more money if they just avert their eyes (unless the club gets busted).

I'm wondering if there are still clubs out there where you can make $500+ a night doing air dances. I'm not kidding - those clubs should be case studies that can then be replicated. Do they have to be in smaller, wealthy towns that only have 1-2 clubs total? Can a club like this exist in an extras-ridden city, as long as it has solid management? Are these dives? Are these only upscale clubs?

thejayleeh
05-24-2013, 04:49 PM
This is a fantastic thread and I really want to reply but I have to work and avoid homelessness as fascinating as this has been. Blah.

I too, was literally booted out of a super busy and lucrative club by extras girls and shady management (it was a known extras club though) and want to share that story and respond to the recent posts here when I have a moment to compose a thoughtful response. Really want to share my perspective on that. And how it relates to the larger debate about extras in the club. I tried to share it on the custy forum but nobody really cared.

I'd like to see more perspectives in this thread too -- management, staff, girls who do extras etc. It's intellectually fascinating, though I know this was just a venting/commiseration thread about the slow death of the strip club industry (as we know it) and threatened livelihoods.

My academic specialization is in socio-legal theory and the sex trade, particularly the contestations of space involved the sex trade, so I really love seeing this thread in action.

I hope everyone has a lucrative weekend, no matter what they choose to do at their club.

J.

charlie61
05-24-2013, 04:51 PM
My academic specialization is in socio-legal theory and the sex trade, particularly the contestations of space involved the sex trade, so I really love seeing this thread in action.

J.

Don't mind me while I hump your leg.

thejayleeh
05-24-2013, 05:22 PM
Don't mind me while I hump your leg.

Is humping of the leg an extra? If so then just do it quietly in the corner where nobody can see.

charlie61
05-24-2013, 05:23 PM
Is humping of the leg an extra? If so then just do it quietly in the corner where nobody can see.

Just keep the screams down and no one will ever know... }:D

Tsepmet1
05-24-2013, 05:45 PM
Is humping of the leg an extra? If so then just do it quietly in the corner where nobody can see.

I'm a witness, so I'll be taking a cut. Kthx.

thejayleeh
05-24-2013, 10:24 PM
I feel the love. I feel the perversion. I am at work. Thanks for making me feel dirty, guys can smell when you feel dirty, it works (no extras hahahahaha).

shanna dior
05-25-2013, 07:32 AM
I'm wondering if there are still clubs out there where you can make $500+ a night doing air dances. I'm not kidding - those clubs should be case studies that can then be replicated. Do they have to be in smaller, wealthy towns that only have 1-2 clubs total? Can a club like this exist in an extras-ridden city, as long as it has solid management? Are these dives? Are these only upscale clubs?

I worked in an air dance club for a short while and while weeknights were a total bust, I would consistently make £400~ a weekend night, and it was definitely possible to hit a grand there if you had a bit of luck and a tight hustle. No extras and management/security were good at keeping any touching at bay. This was in a capital city with many clubs in close proximity to each other - there was another one literally right next door, 3 around the corner, and one down the street. All were no contact, though this one was more on the upscale end of the spectrum. I believe all the clubs in the country are no contact and local councils do not like strip clubs, so there is strong incentive on management to not allow extras, which I think is the main factor in the equation.

Contrast that to my home club and where I work now (also a capital city) - high contact and definitely extras. Not quite as bad or prevalent as other cities (though other clubs in the city are much worse), but definitely still present. Income potential is higher even as a clean dancer, but you won't make a dime if you offer no contact - this despite local bylaws stating that no contact is allowed, so we are technically supposed to be air dancing. Of course, bylaw officers give the heads up to club management when they're coming for a visit, so that day we only do air dances. This isn't unusual for my club either, and I'd say it's actually one of the cleaner ones in the city, of which there are quite a few. Management doesn't get a cut of our sales, just house fee, but there's just no incentive to follow the law when (a) all the other clubs allow more and (b) there are no consequences for them. Well, they can lose their liquor license for 2 weeks if a girl gets ticketed, hence the warning on bylaw visit day.

Basically, I don't think management is the main problem, but rather local bylaw officers/council/whoever upholds it. If the city is no contact but they're willing to look the other way, why would management lose customers (and therefore $$$) by not allowing what other clubs in the city are allowing? From them, it trickles down to management then having the incentive to keep the club clean.

ava$
05-25-2013, 05:54 PM
OHHH, THATS HOW spiramint rhino in vegas works!lol. The hosts get their favorites the ballers and the rest of the girls are kinda fucked, waiting at the door all night...

Tsepmet1
05-26-2013, 04:22 PM
OHHH, THATS HOW spiramint rhino in vegas works!lol. The hosts get their favorites the ballers and the rest of the girls are kinda fucked, waiting at the door all night...

That's how a lot of clubs work. I've been asked point blank by staff what I am willing to do and not do so that they knew if they could introduce me to their customers or not.

SweetJulia
05-27-2013, 10:56 AM
^Oh, I'm sure it does. The problem here is MONEY. The majority of people make more money if they just avert their eyes (unless the club gets busted).

I'm wondering if there are still clubs out there where you can make $500+ a night doing air dances. I'm not kidding - those clubs should be case studies that can then be replicated. Do they have to be in smaller, wealthy towns that only have 1-2 clubs total? Can a club like this exist in an extras-ridden city, as long as it has solid management? Are these dives? Are these only upscale clubs?
If you find one, PLEASE let me know and I'll be on the next plane to moneyland lol!

Tsepmet1
05-27-2013, 10:58 AM
I have noticed that no tolerance clubs tend to be pretty overcrowded with girls, usually.

ava$
05-27-2013, 11:05 AM
That's how a lot of clubs work. I've been asked point blank by staff what I am willing to do and not do so that they knew if they could introduce me to their customers or not.

Damn, I have worked at alot of different clubs and vegas is the only place I saw this system, maybe its just much more obvious there then other places. Staff may not ask me stuff like that because I am always the "new girl" Or im just in and out not really ever getting to know any of them.

michele11
05-27-2013, 02:24 PM
^ I've worked at about 42 clubs in about 10 cities/states and I've never been asked that! Even in NY, Vegas, anywhere!

Tsepmet1
05-27-2013, 02:36 PM
Well, I tend to go around and introduce myself to the staff whenever I'm in a new club. Since I don't have regulars and tend to work days/afternoons, I like the staff to recommend me to their big spenders. I go around and tell them that I pay 20% and let them know my name. Usually they're nice and just keep me in mind, other times they have been abrasive and tell me that they only recommend girls who "satisfy" their customers, since they don't view them as being the dancer's regulars, but instead their own.

JadeNicole
06-03-2013, 07:26 PM
as long as they take it OTC there should be no problem with it. Just not in the club!

charlotte.
06-05-2013, 12:39 PM
^Oh, I'm sure it does. The problem here is MONEY. The majority of people make more money if they just avert their eyes (unless the club gets busted).

I'm wondering if there are still clubs out there where you can make $500+ a night doing air dances. I'm not kidding - those clubs should be case studies that can then be replicated. Do they have to be in smaller, wealthy towns that only have 1-2 clubs total? Can a club like this exist in an extras-ridden city, as long as it has solid management? Are these dives? Are these only upscale clubs?

its not the club, its the dancer. if you are a 10 in a club full of <7s and work in a high traffic tourist club that offers at least semi private areas then guys will flock to you and most wont insist on negotiating and insisting on contact before. get your $$ upfront, and if they start to touch tell them they cant and thats that. you get enough traffic that repeats arent necessary anyway but since youre so much more beautiful some guys will still fall in love and repeat/tip anyway.

charlie61
06-05-2013, 05:06 PM
^Yes, ideally we'd all be supermodel-level beautiful and would work in places that consistently provide high-traffic tourist money. :)

Nina_
06-05-2013, 09:51 PM
It doesn't matter how beautiful you are, if you work at a club that's infiltrated with extras girls and customers catch on to the fact that girls are willing to provide extras, you can still get propositioned.

Optimist
06-06-2013, 12:09 PM
its not the club, its the dancer. if you are a 10 in a club full of <7s and work in a high traffic tourist club that offers at least semi private areas then guys will flock to you and most wont insist on negotiating and insisting on contact before. get your $$ upfront, and if they start to touch tell them they cant and thats that. you get enough traffic that repeats arent necessary anyway but since youre so much more beautiful some guys will still fall in love and repeat/tip anyway.

Unfortunately you can find the opposite. Some guys don't feel comfortable with a ten and flock to the <7 girls instead. Some guys don't want a model with a high maintenance look. Some guys want extras and don't give a damn about the face attached to the vagina. I've worked at places where I had to put the gowns aside for booty shorts and ditch my lashes for plain makeup. I even coarsened my accent to be more appealing and the response was like night and day.

Tsepmet1
06-06-2013, 01:02 PM
Unfortunately you can find the opposite. Some guys don't feel comfortable with a ten and flock to the <7 girls instead. Some guys don't want a model with a high maintenance look. Some guys want extras and don't give a damn about the face attached to the vagina. I've worked at places where I had to put the gowns aside for booty shorts and ditch my lashes for plain makeup. I even coarsened my accent to be more appealing and the response was like night and day.

The crappy thing about that is that sometimes you get used to being on the lower end of things, that it'll bleed over into "real life" or it'll be harder to transition into a nicer club after that.

JadeNicole
06-06-2013, 03:32 PM
Youre never going to get rid of it so why worry about something you have no control over!

Tsepmet1
06-06-2013, 03:34 PM
Youre never going to get rid of it so why worry about something you have no control over!

You've got to be kidding me.

JadeNicole
06-06-2013, 03:43 PM
In my opinion I think girls who bitch about "extras" girls generally do a dis service to us all. If dancer a makes more than dancer b and b thinks less of her anyway she's going tp presume it's because she blew someguy in VIP or CR. In fact it's probably an ATF situation or how she hustles or markets herself that makes the difference.

Tsepmet1
06-06-2013, 04:25 PM
I'm not accusing all top earners of being extras girls, none of us have accused that.

simone87
06-06-2013, 04:29 PM
im wondering what an "extra" is exactly..because at my club we are legally not allowed to touch a customer in any way when we are naked. not even brushing their legs or sitting on their lap. NO contact. now, no girl follows that so legally we are all "extras" girls in that sense..to me, its blow jobs and sex that's disgusting! i don't have to deal with it thank god. i'll allow more contact than some girls ( my personal rule is no touching pussy or asshole, ever, and no pulling your dick out) and some girls will allow more contact than me but if they charge rock bottom i'd get pissed! its definitely undercutting, in my last club i tried to ignore it and get the new guys who didn't know the dirty girls

JadeNicole
06-06-2013, 04:33 PM
lap and couch dances are full contact at both clubs Im working at in CO and FLA. and both full nude. So its geographic and club rules that separate us.

Nina_
06-06-2013, 07:16 PM
im wondering what an "extra" is exactly..because at my club we are legally not allowed to touch a customer in any way when we are naked. not even brushing their legs or sitting on their lap. NO contact. now, no girl follows that so legally we are all "extras" girls in that sense..to me, its blow jobs and sex that's disgusting! i don't have to deal with it thank god. i'll allow more contact than some girls ( my personal rule is no touching pussy or asshole, ever, and no pulling your dick out) and some girls will allow more contact than me but if they charge rock bottom i'd get pissed! its definitely undercutting, in my last club i tried to ignore it and get the new guys who didn't know the dirty girls

Yeah typically it's sexual favors that are considered to be extras... blowjobs, sex, handjobs, etc.