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Nina_
06-06-2013, 07:20 PM
In my opinion I think girls who bitch about "extras" girls generally do a dis service to us all. If dancer a makes more than dancer b and b thinks less of her anyway she's going tp presume it's because she blew someguy in VIP or CR. In fact it's probably an ATF situation or how she hustles or markets herself that makes the difference.

Well, I disagree. I don't see how bitching about extras girls is a disservice to all dancers. I just fail to see the logic in that. The issue here isn't about pointing fingers at girls who make more money than you and accusing them of doing extras. I would hope that no one here does that. I certainly don't do that. Not only does almost no one at my club make more than me, but I have never pointed fingers at a girl and accused her of doing extras out of assumption. Any girl I "label" as an extras girl is someone who I actually know does extras. I'm not juvenile enough to call someone an extras girl just because she's making money. And when I do realize a girl does extras, I don't get in her face about it; I may vent to my [clean] girlfriends about it, but that's about it.

MyButter
06-06-2013, 09:23 PM
I feel like the word "extra" in this industry is constantly evolving. I currently work in a stage only club, and by my understading there was a point in SC history when stage only was the norm. Perhaps it is a bit of a threadjack, but I wonder how lapdances came to be the norm? Was there an extras girl way back in the day who openly straddled some customer, perhaps in a drunken stupor--only to unknowingly birth this new revolution?

What we consider to be an extra in one era becomes the standard in the next. It's a pretty interesting process.

Tsepmet1
06-06-2013, 11:52 PM
Soon we will all be escorts.

No more strippers.

Aniela
06-07-2013, 02:50 AM
Soon we will all be escorts.

No more strippers.


That was the unsettling thought I had on the way home from work tonite - this industry is becoming too overrun w/ actual sex to actually make a consistent living anymore on just the fantasy.

cherryblossomsinspring
06-07-2013, 03:01 AM
Soon we will all be escorts.

No more strippers.

^ I fear it's heading in that direction. Camming is taking that turn as well.

michele11
06-07-2013, 06:37 AM
I feel like the word "extra" in this industry is constantly evolving. I currently work in a stage only club, and by my understading there was a point in SC history when stage only was the norm. Perhaps it is a bit of a threadjack, but I wonder how lapdances came to be the norm? Was there an extras girl way back in the day who openly straddled some customer, perhaps in a drunken stupor--only to unknowingly birth this new revolution?

What we consider to be an extra in one era becomes the standard in the next. It's a pretty interesting process.

technically in most states there not legal. I learned that here in florida when they started busting bikini clubs. We had toi have a license to work there and we all got tiuckets in the mail for lap dances or lewd and lucivious . They never even came in the club. Then years later when I didn't dance here anymore a club was busted in my area for lap dancing and the lawyer said that in most states any sexual arousal in exchange for money constitutes as prostitution. They have rules against lap dancing at most clubs here even tampa has a 3or 6 foot rulke they enacted around 8 years ago but they don't enforce it, it's usually election year anyone finds out about these rules. But yeah technically lap dances are illegal in most states they just don't waste the funds to enforce it.

ameena
06-07-2013, 01:03 PM
I've never had a problem making money at either types of clubs. For the busy, low contact clubs, I hustle faster, spending less time talking to customers and talking to a higher volume. For the high contact clubs, I spend more time with the more wholesome customers and cultivate regulars who just want clean dances. I invest my time in them and instead of dancing for a higher number of men and dealing with getting propositioned all the time, I have a few regulars who know when I'll be at the club, who know my limits, and my time is essentially booked with them. All I have to do is show up. It's all about strategy surrounding your circumstances. I've never cared or complained about extras girls because they don't affect my money. I do. And as long as I can make the kind of money I make dancing, barring any unsafe/unclean environments, what the other girls do isn't of my concern or energy.

And I think there will always be strippers, because a lot of men aren't looking for sex. They're looking for companionship. They're looking for attention. They're looking for an ego boost from a hot woman telling them how wonderful they are, regardless of how far from the truth is is. A lot of men will pay for just that, because they don't get that at home or wherever else for various reasons.

Odette
06-07-2013, 01:29 PM
I agree that I think there will always be strippers. And when extras disappear from clubs is when they become readily available elsewhere. By readily I mean legally, and safely. It's true that not all men want sex, but what is happening in my opinion is that prostitution has always been desired by men, but now that it is becoming less and less taboo to sell sex, without the laws being updated to reflect modern views. this creates an unhappy environment for all involved in the surrounding industries. Men go to strip clubs looking for sex only because liscensed brothels do not exist yet. Yes they can go on the internet or call an agency, but in these situations you don't actually SEE or INTERACT with the girl before she arrives. Then you're stuck with her. I can see the appeal for the customer that clubs with lots of extras girls are ideal for them because they can look and chat with a range of sp's and then select their favourite. I would ideally like to see brothels situated near clubs, or even connected to clubs. I don't see them being liscensed for liquor, at least not right away, so this would create an additional draw and bring customers to the club if they want to drink, have a dance, they can do that in the club, they get horny and want to fuck some girl, they can go to the brothel. In this structure there should be no more extras girls because the penalties for illegally doing something that is now legal in certain contexts outweigh the benefits. And also why would a customer do something illegal (sex in a strip club) when they could go accross the street and get it legally, in a liscensed, separate environment. Everyone wins.

Odette
06-07-2013, 01:43 PM
Also: While in many situations it is possible to still make money in extras clubs, other times it's just not. There is a huge difference between a lot of customers coming in asking for extras and the customers coming to a bar pretty much exclusively for the extras. In the later case it's like a needle in a haystack trying to find guys who just want clean dances. The former is exhausting but you can still find some customers who just wander into the bar and want a few dances. One bar I've worked at on and off for the last 2 years has gone super downhill since I started. It's always been an extras place, but before it used to be full of really ugly chicks doing extras, and pretty busy. Now it is brimming with a bunch of pimped out 18-20 year old beautiful girls. And there are less customers than ever to go around. It's a disaster. There is a threshold that once crossed, you just can't make money, and it's usually a few different factors working together.

ameena
06-07-2013, 01:47 PM
^ I agree.
I've also wondered why anyone would pay an exorbitant amount of money for a service in a cramped space for a few minutes with other people looking instead of booking a whole hour with someone for less money where you can actually relax and be alone with the woman.

Artema
06-07-2013, 02:15 PM
I've never had a problem making money at either types of clubs. For the busy, low contact clubs, I hustle faster, spending less time talking to customers and talking to a higher volume. For the high contact clubs, I spend more time with the more wholesome customers and cultivate regulars who just want clean dances. I invest my time in them and instead of dancing for a higher number of men and dealing with getting propositioned all the time, I have a few regulars who know when I'll be at the club, who know my limits, and my time is essentially booked with them. All I have to do is show up. It's all about strategy surrounding your circumstances. I've never cared or complained about extras girls because they don't affect my money. I do. And as long as I can make the kind of money I make dancing, barring any unsafe/unclean environments, what the other girls do isn't of my concern or energy.

And I think there will always be strippers, because a lot of men aren't looking for sex. They're looking for companionship. They're looking for attention. They're looking for an ego boost from a hot woman telling them how wonderful they are, regardless of how far from the truth is is. A lot of men will pay for just that, because they don't get that at home or wherever else for various reasons.

+1. Totally agree.



I agree that I think there will always be strippers. And when extras disappear from clubs is when they become readily available elsewhere. By readily I mean legally, and safely. It's true that not all men want sex, but what is happening in my opinion is that prostitution has always been desired by men, but now that it is becoming less and less taboo to sell sex, without the laws being updated to reflect modern views. this creates an unhappy environment for all involved in the surrounding industries. Men go to strip clubs looking for sex only because liscensed brothels do not exist yet. Yes they can go on the internet or call an agency, but in these situations you don't actually SEE or INTERACT with the girl before she arrives. Then you're stuck with her. I can see the appeal for the customer that clubs with lots of extras girls are ideal for them because they can look and chat with a range of sp's and then select their favourite. I would ideally like to see brothels situated near clubs, or even connected to clubs. I don't see them being liscensed for liquor, at least not right away, so this would create an additional draw and bring customers to the club if they want to drink, have a dance, they can do that in the club, they get horny and want to fuck some girl, they can go to the brothel. In this structure there should be no more extras girls because the penalties for illegally doing something that is now legal in certain contexts outweigh the benefits. And also why would a customer do something illegal (sex in a strip club) when they could go accross the street and get it legally, in a liscensed, separate environment. Everyone wins.

It does seem like society in general is becoming less and less sensitized to sex, violence and other crude behavior. Like you said, selling sex is becoming less of a taboo.
Despite this I remain optimistic. During a period of time when sex is not taboo, modesty will find it's place. It only makes sense to the simple fact that we are wired to want what we can't have and what is not available. IMO in this case I believe modesty can be a commodity in 'liberal times' simply because it's not the norm. There are plenty of examples of this but I'm too damn tired today.

MyButter
06-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Idk... when I look at areas such as the PI, Thailand and Singapore, I can't help but to wonder if the exact opposite would eventually happen? Where, rather than co-existance, brothels have essentially absorbed stripping, and you are left with a scenario where girls provide the best of both worlds (I.e entertainment, stage-show, conversation, and full service).

Artema
06-07-2013, 04:33 PM
Then how do you explain top-tier nonnude cam models, burlesque shows, and bikini bars? They still exist for a reason.

Fine here's the scenario: Imagine every place is a brothel, it most likely wouldn't stay that way. Eventually people will tire of that, then what? Brothels have been around FOREVER, yes before stripping and camming ever came about. Yet stripping did come about and later camming did. Ask yourself why would stripping evolve AFTER brothels....and then camming AFTER stripclubs. It doesn't make sense to 'average paycheck joe' where he's only interested in stretching a dollar. But to the rest, it makes sense: variety is the spice of life.

charlotte.
06-09-2013, 12:51 PM
there will always be bachelor and birthday parties. over time we may see a steady decline of high rollers, regular guys in the 100-200k salary range dropping $500 every once in a while for a room, but the young parties are just looking for that-a party. these bachelors arent looking to get fucked, its just a group of 5 guys having fun and part of that fun is specifically getting a stripper to hang out and run her tits in his face but nothing more. as long as clubs keep their fees and amount of girls reasonable then dancing will always be decent money.

I think waitressing will be better money on average tho very soon. more and more ppl are getting into buying bottles and in a lot of places its common for all the clubs to make the hosts and waitresses split tips, so youll always do well. I have a friend whos a bartender at a cheap dive bar thats always dead and she still makes $200-500 in tips on top of her hourly. if I wasn't studying for the gres right now and needed to take weeks off at a time I would get a waitress or host job immediately.

KatGrrl
06-09-2013, 01:49 PM
I've never had a problem making money at either types of clubs. For the busy, low contact clubs, I hustle faster, spending less time talking to customers and talking to a higher volume. For the high contact clubs, I spend more time with the more wholesome customers and cultivate regulars who just want clean dances. I invest my time in them and instead of dancing for a higher number of men and dealing with getting propositioned all the time, I have a few regulars who know when I'll be at the club, who know my limits, and my time is essentially booked with them. All I have to do is show up. It's all about strategy surrounding your circumstances. I've never cared or complained about extras girls because they don't affect my money. I do. And as long as I can make the kind of money I make dancing, barring any unsafe/unclean environments, what the other girls do isn't of my concern or energy.

And I think there will always be strippers, because a lot of men aren't looking for sex. They're looking for companionship. They're looking for attention. They're looking for an ego boost from a hot woman telling them how wonderful they are, regardless of how far from the truth is is. A lot of men will pay for just that, because they don't get that at home or wherever else for various reasons.

My feelings exactly! You just wrote how I have been feeling for years! I am not competitive in the traditional sense so I know I am in control of my earnings, and I know how to make good money in a way that doesn't compromise my boundaries. Crowd mentality won't change that, but it will continue to affect the industry over time. I never understood the concept of 'Stealing a customer' either, because a customer Is free to make a choice and no 2 girls offer an identical experience.

JadeNicole
06-09-2013, 04:57 PM
It's been my experience that usually the complainers are the low earners. Just my opinion don't hate me for it!

JadeNicole
06-09-2013, 05:01 PM
So if I did OTC youd vent to your clean girlfriends that I was doing extras.


Well, I disagree. I don't see how bitching about extras girls is a disservice to all dancers. I just fail to see the logic in that. The issue here isn't about pointing fingers at girls who make more money than you and accusing them of doing extras. I would hope that no one here does that. I certainly don't do that. Not only does almost no one at my club make more than me, but I have never pointed fingers at a girl and accused her of doing extras out of assumption. Any girl I "label" as an extras girl is someone who I actually know does extras. I'm not juvenile enough to call someone an extras girl just because she's making money. And when I do realize a girl does extras, I don't get in her face about it; I may vent to my [clean] girlfriends about it, but that's about it.

JadeNicole
06-09-2013, 05:04 PM
There should be no nothing as a strippers customer being only theirs. If they like stripper a and see her 10 times but suddenly they like stripper b then a shouldn't get bent out of shape about it. It's life!

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QUOTE=KatGrrl;2499886]
I've never had a problem making money at either types of clubs. For the busy, low contact clubs, I hustle faster, spending less time talking to customers and talking to a higher volume. For the high contact clubs, I spend more time with the more wholesome customers and cultivate regulars who just want clean dances. I invest my time in them and instead of dancing for a higher number of men and dealing with getting propositioned all the time, I have a few regulars who know when I'll be at the club, who know my limits, and my time is essentially booked with them. All I have to do is show up. It's all about strategy surrounding your circumstances. I've never cared or complained about extras girls because they don't affect my money. I do. And as long as I can make the kind of money I make dancing, barring any unsafe/unclean environments, what the other girls do isn't of my concern or energy.


There should be no nothing as a strippers customer being only theirs. If they like stripper a and see her 10 times but suddenly they like stripper b then a shouldn't get bent out of shape about it. It's life!

And I think there will always be strippers, because a lot of men aren't looking for sex. They're looking for companionship. They're looking for attention. They're looking for an ego boost from a hot woman telling them how wonderful they are, regardless of how far from the truth is is. A lot of men will pay for just that, because they don't get that at home or wherever else for various reasons.

My feelings exactly! You just wrote how I have been feeling for years! I am not competitive in the traditional sense so I know I am in control of my earnings, and I know how to make good money in a way that doesn't compromise my boundaries. Crowd mentality won't change that, but it will continue to affect the industry over time. I never understood the concept of 'Stealing a customer' either, because a customer Is free to make a choice and no 2 girls offer an identical experience.[/QUOTE]

freedom33
06-09-2013, 05:40 PM
I agree tht girls suckin and fuckin inside the club for $100 is whts makin it hard for dancers to make money but i agree tht sum ppl have to do wht they have to do to survive.....i have heard and seen girls suckn or fuckin for $40 n da club like pimp c said... Tht aint no money but u have to remember some of them $40 hoes r on drugs

charlie61
06-09-2013, 05:57 PM
I know I speak for others in this thread when I say that I may complain a lot and loudly about extras girls + club conditions in general when I'm not working. But when I do go in to work, I put all of this aside and focus on making my money.

What's helpful about threads like these is that girls who feel like their situation is unique (extras becoming more rampant, contact expectations rising, etc.) can come to StripperWeb and find a community of people who empathize with what they're going through. It helps us place our individual experiences in a more collective conscience. Which helps me cope, personally.

Those who don't find a thread like this helpful or who wish to passive aggressively claim that other members are low earners and whatnot are not being forced to participate in this thread. The "unsubscribe" button can be found under the Settings page on this site.

simone87
06-09-2013, 08:09 PM
i think what i mind the most is the extras girl giving real strippers a bad name. it takes a lot to strip, and sucking dick for 150 is not that. that's not even a good escort, that's like a street hooker, sorry.

charlie61
06-09-2013, 10:25 PM
i think what i mind the most is the extras girl giving real strippers a bad name. it takes a lot to strip, and sucking dick for 150 is not that. that's not even a good escort, that's like a street hooker, sorry.

I dunno. I don't think price matters much. Honestly, sucking dick isn't that big of a deal (says the asexual who's gone down on one person in her life). $150 is $150. If you suck a guy off using a condom and it takes 5-10 minutes, that doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Especially when you consider that the $150 could provide a family with food for a month, or put gas in someone's car so they can keep their job. But even without the survivalist scenarios, money is money. The difference between a $40 blowjob and a $150+ blowjob is pretty arbitrary when you think about it.

I just don't want it going down in da club! :)

simone87
06-09-2013, 10:30 PM
yeah but the cheaper it is, the worse it is to me ( in the club)..because not only do the guys expect extras, they expect them to be super cheap so the thought of paying for a dance or 2 that costs the same as a blow job. would be laughable to them. i think it also depends on the person, blow jobs are VERY personal to me..i would rather fuck ten guys with a condom than blow one guy. i just feel like puking unless it somebody im really attracted to. to me charging way less for something is kind of undercutting, i hate it lol. i once gave my customer a two for one and had a ton of girls tell the manager and want to jump me! it was ridiculous

charlie61
06-09-2013, 10:34 PM
^Ah, I gotcha. Yes - price of extras becomes important ITC.

JadeNicole
06-10-2013, 04:29 PM
150 is still low. Maybe 250-300.

freedom33
06-10-2013, 05:29 PM
yeah but the cheaper it is, the worse it is to me ( in the club)..because not only do the guys expect extras, they expect them to be super cheap so the thought of paying for a dance or 2 that costs the same as a blow job. would be laughable to them. i think it also depends on the person, blow jobs are VERY personal to me..i would rather fuck ten guys with a condom than blow one guy. i just feel like puking unless it somebody im really attracted to. to me charging way less for something is kind of undercutting, i hate it lol. i once gave my customer a two for one and had a ton of girls tell the manager and want to jump me! it was ridiculous

tht is ridiculous but it happens

freedom33
06-10-2013, 05:31 PM
I have worked all over the country and have only been in ONE club that didn't tolerate extras.

As a clean dancer, I'm tired of being sexually assaulted by customers on a daily basis because extras girls have trained them to think that it's okay. Just because we are strippers doesn't mean that we deserve to be treated like this.

I hope this thread never stops because it gives me hope that other dancers see what's going on here. I don't feel so alone in my frustration anymore.

So, what can we do about it? We can refuse to do extras and spread the word that it's unacceptable behavior.

What we really need are managers and bouncers on our side that care about the future of our industry, not just their pocketbooks.

money is the root of all evil so good luck with getting the managers and bouncers to care

JadeNicole
06-10-2013, 07:34 PM
money is the root of all evil so good luck with getting the managers and bouncers to care

and she should be careful of whining too much and destroying the incomes of top earners because of jealousy and other issues!

charlie61
06-10-2013, 07:55 PM
If members continue baiting each other passive aggressively, I'm going to start handing out infractions. Stop. It.

Please keep this thread civil.

BANHammerGoddess
06-11-2013, 03:57 AM
You know, I actually just got a warm fuzzy in my heart from reading the last three posts.

But then again, it's because another forum I'm on censors the shit out of anything that ain't glitter and unicorns.

I <3 SW.

MissSassyPickles
06-11-2013, 07:44 AM
I've been refraining from commenting in this thread because I didn't know how welcome my opinions would be as a former escort who's never stripped before, but I have been reading.

I've been wanting to try stripping for a while now, but I've refrained from posting in club chat much or asking about clubs because I make it well known and am open about the fact that I was an escort. Because of this I felt like girls here would not want to help me, or give me wrong info or even be mean, thinking I was one of "those girls".

I posted about this in another thread, but for me I think stripping has the potential to be more psychologically damaging than escorting was (I think I actually benefited as a person from my escorting experience).

With escorting, I was aware of what I was doing, or going to do. I gave "permission" for certain things to happen. I was in control. I was getting paid very well for my time. I was in a safe environment, 1 on 1.

With stripping, sexual assault can happen and there really isn't too much you can do about it. Guys slap your ass, lick your tits, whatever it is and that scares me to death. I seriously don't know if I could handle that. That seems like a terrible violation of oneself. I don't know how you girls handle it. I still flip flop back and forth about stripping partly for that reason. Maybe being able to handle that environment is what prepares clean dancers to become dirty, because if they are already being sexually assaulted on a daily basis, why not just go all for it?

I will say that I feel bad for most extra's girls, especially after reading a post that Cherry Blossom wrote about an article coming from the perspective of a former clean dancer turned dirty. It seems like a lot of these extras girls have a completely different perspective than an escort. I mean it seems like it is a pretty common thing to quickly say "If you're going to suck/fuck be an escort", but it's so weird because a lot of strippers that do extras still choose to remain in the club, performing specific sex acts for money (which is illegal of course) instead of selling time (which is legal).

Why is that? Is it because they feel safer in a club with bouncers? I sure wouldn't. You have a million people there watching, potentially cops there to bust you, no privacy, a guy that hasn't been screened from who knows where (with who knows what!), and you think that's safer?? Maybe it makes them feel better to perform them in the club, because then they don't see themselves as prostitutes because they are still "technically" strippers instead of making an escort ad and getting a hotel. Maybe they think it's easier to get customers at a strip club then to advertise.

For me, there are reasons I would strip and reasons I would escort. I want to strip to be in a social environment, to entertain and dance and perform. If anything, stripping is the closest thing to being a "social escort" there is really. Not that when I was escorting I wasn't social and had conversations, etc. and get paid to talk because I did, but it's just different. Also, a stripper persona is a lot more brazen which I think would be a turnoff to a lot of escort customers who would not like the idea of being "hustled" lol.

Anyway those are my thoughts sorry for the ramble.

simone87
06-11-2013, 11:11 AM
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Why is that? Is it because they feel safer in a club with bouncers? I sure wouldn't. You have a million people there watching, potentially cops there to bust you, no privacy, a guy that hasn't been screened from who knows where (with who knows what!), and you think that's safer?? Maybe it makes them feel better to perform them in the club, because then they don't see themselves as prostitutes because they are still "technically" strippers instead of making an escort ad and getting a hotel. Maybe they think it's easier to get customers at a strip club then to advertise.

that's exactly true!

charlie61
06-11-2013, 11:29 AM
You know, I actually just got a warm fuzzy in my heart from reading the last three posts.

But then again, it's because another forum I'm on censors the shit out of anything that ain't glitter and unicorns.

I <3 SW.

I hear ya. I don't like censoring / deleting / editing posts. I'd much rather we just all decide to be mature, level-headed adults and act accordingly.

Starling
06-11-2013, 12:51 PM
I posted about this in another thread, but for me I think stripping has the potential to be more psychologically damaging than escorting was (I think I actually benefited as a person from my escorting experience).

With escorting, I was aware of what I was doing, or going to do. I gave "permission" for certain things to happen. I was in control. I was getting paid very well for my time. I was in a safe environment, 1 on 1.

With stripping, sexual assault can happen and there really isn't too much you can do about it. Guys slap your ass, lick your tits, whatever it is and that scares me to death. I seriously don't know if I could handle that. That seems like a terrible violation of oneself. I don't know how you girls handle it. I still flip flop back and forth about stripping partly for that reason. Maybe being able to handle that environment is what prepares clean dancers to become dirty, because if they are already being sexually assaulted on a daily basis, why not just go all for it?

Yes, I have seen this posted before while reading a bunch of threads. I've never escorted before, but based off the things I read it sounds like a whole different ball game with more money with less BS to put up with. I think the last part of the quote has some truth to it. I can see someone's logic in that, they probably figure why not go the whole way since I'm already putting up with so much.

I once asked a former boss about it, I asked him what do you think makes some women perform sexual acts in the club. I forget what he said exactly, but it was along the lines of "Once you've already sold yourself, that's it." I guess he meant was if it happens once it becomes a less big of a deal to do it again.


Why is that? Is it because they feel safer in a club with bouncers? I sure wouldn't. You have a million people there watching, potentially cops there to bust you, no privacy, a guy that hasn't been screened from who knows where (with who knows what!), and you think that's safer?? Maybe it makes them feel better to perform them in the club, because then they don't see themselves as prostitutes because they are still "technically" strippers instead of making an escort ad and getting a hotel. Maybe they think it's easier to get customers at a strip club then to advertise.

I might have mentioned it before in this thread, but I think that does have a big part of it. I once overheard a couple of girls talking to each other in the dressing room and one said to the other "At least they have security here, you don't know these guys. Some of them could rob you, rape you, or even kill you. Otherwise I would have just gone out and escorted already."

ameena
06-11-2013, 01:06 PM
Not to play devil's advocate but I can understand where JadeNicole's frustration is coming from. The stripping environment can be pretty negative for all kinds of factors; bad management, annoying customers, too many girls, etc etc etc. We all know that extras go on in the club. It sucks (no pun intended). It takes money away from those that are trying to make an honest $ and effects the lucrative nature of the industry. I understand the need to vent and voice frustration over the issue, I've done so myself. HOWEVER..... because this is (I feel) the biggest complaint of the industry, a lot of people use it as a platform to justify getting into altercations with other dancers who make more money, and at most clubs there are invariably a group of girls, or even just one, who are on a witch hunt to find out "who does what" and "they must be doing SOMETHING to be that busy, etc etc."
I've read many accounts on here in which clean girls are accused of doing extras just because they're having a good night/are popular with customers. IMO I think it just adds to an already negative environment and people end up making less money because they are so concerned with what the other girls are doing. I could stand to see a little more pro-activity by the management of these clubs dealing with these issues instead of strip club vigilantism, or at least some other ideas to curb the problem. Or maybe exchange tips on how to discourage it. Whenever I get propositioned by a customer, I'll say no, and caution "that activity is illegal and you will be held criminally responsible if caught..." or I share a "story" in which a customer had received one of these services in the club and ended up taking home an STI that destroyed his life, family etc because there were no safety precautions, like the ones you would receive from an actual escort who knows the protocol. (which I'm sure has happened at some point, somewhere).

Starling
06-11-2013, 01:30 PM
Not to play devil's advocate but I can understand where JadeNicole's frustration is coming from. The stripping environment can be pretty negative for all kinds of factors; bad management, annoying customers, too many girls, etc etc etc. We all know that extras go on in the club. It sucks (no pun intended). It takes money away from those that are trying to make an honest $ and effects the lucrative nature of the industry. I understand the need to vent and voice frustration over the issue, I've done so myself. HOWEVER..... because this is (I feel) the biggest complaint of the industry, a lot of people use it as a platform to justify getting into altercations with other dancers who make more money, and at most clubs there are invariably a group of girls, or even just one, who are on a witch hunt to find out "who does what" and "they must be doing SOMETHING to be that busy, etc etc."
I've read many accounts on here in which clean girls are accused of doing extras just because they're having a good night/are popular with customers. IMO I think it just adds to an already negative environment and people end up making less money because they are so concerned with what the other girls are doing. I could stand to see a little more pro-activity by the management of these clubs dealing with these issues instead of strip club vigilantism, or at least some other ideas to curb the problem. Or maybe exchange tips on how to discourage it. Whenever I get propositioned by a customer, I'll say no, and caution "that activity is illegal and you will be held criminally responsible if caught..." or I share a "story" in which a customer had received one of these services in the club and ended up taking home an STI that destroyed his life, family etc because there were no safety precautions, like the ones you would receive from an actual escort who knows the protocol. (which I'm sure has happened at some point, somewhere).

I respect your opinion and I think that it is true that having suspicions about what one girl is doing just feeds into negativity. In the case of OP, I think she is more likely just frustrated and telling us about it, not really so much complaining openly about it wherever she is working. The thing is if some girls decide to go on witch hunts to find out what girl is doing what, then that is their own fault for not making any money if they are expending much of their energy trying to figure out what one girl is willing to do.

ameena
06-11-2013, 01:34 PM
Oh, ok. I thought it was a general discussion re: extras, I don't think I read the whole thread. Sorry if I hijacked :) Maybe the last part of my post is somewhat helpful re: offering tips on discouraging extras from happening.

Starling
06-11-2013, 01:57 PM
No worries, it's just the comment about complaining about extras and hurting top earners' incomes.

OP already said:


I'm not accusing all top earners of being extras girls, none of us have accused that.

I think that there was a time in a couple of clubs where I ended up being a top girl for a while, I'm not sure actually but I noticed that I was very busy compared to a lot of girls and sometimes I felt like they were watching me. They probably wondered if I were doing something too, but I did not see it reflect my income. If they said anything to management I don't think they cared. If they said anything among each other I never noticed it because I try not to talk to anyone anyway and I try to stay out of the dressing room because I hate that place.

In my experience if a girl badmouths another girl to a customer by calling her dirty, etc., the response from the customer usually is that they don't like how the dancer is being petty or they will actually go looking for said girl in hopes that she will deliver. That's just my experience though.

charlie61
06-11-2013, 06:24 PM
I feel like one of the major problems with this industry is that most clubs these days will hire any pretty face that comes walking off of the streets (or, in many cases, any body that walks in the door).

What if clubs instead started 'hiring' true entertainers again. Would that change anything?

I'm just picturing someone like Alethea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwg2yJHXwjk&list=FLvCcrmgoOW5yz2eUnhFfghw&index=9) working in a club. If she were more of the 'norm,' then guys would pay to be entertained instead of paying just for friction dances. They'd pay for Champagne Rooms with these beautiful, athletic women who know how to convey intimacy through movement. I'm not advocating air-dance-only clubs - but the closer we get to clubs where a 'clean' dance involves grinding dick for the duration of the song, the farther we get from stripping as a form of erotic art.

charlie61
06-11-2013, 06:32 PM
As a side note, I *love* how Alethea dances. I feel like she's one of the only well-known pole dancers who stays true to both her stripper and dancer sides. Her videos tend to be really, really good for club work inspiration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwg2yJHXwjk&list=FLvCcrmgoOW5yz2eUnhFfghw&index=9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tpQy6MLs0&list=FLvCcrmgoOW5yz2eUnhFfghw&index=24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oksjhVzfsM&list=FLvCcrmgoOW5yz2eUnhFfghw&index=38

MyButter
06-11-2013, 09:43 PM
I feel like one of the major problems with this industry is that most clubs these days will hire any pretty face that comes walking off of the streets (or, in many cases, any body that walks in the door).

What if clubs instead started 'hiring' true entertainers again. Would that change anything?

I'm just picturing someone like Alethea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwg2yJHXwjk&list=FLvCcrmgoOW5yz2eUnhFfghw&index=9) working in a club. If she were more of the 'norm,' then guys would pay to be entertained instead of paying just for friction dances. They'd pay for Champagne Rooms with these beautiful, athletic women who know how to convey intimacy through movement. I'm not advocating air-dance-only clubs - but the closer we get to clubs where a 'clean' dance involves grinding dick for the duration of the song, the farther we get from stripping as a form of erotic art.

I couldn't agree with this standpoint more. There aren't any prerequisites for this job, which completely leaves me dumbfounded. The whole idea behind stripping is to convey an intimate fantasy through *movement*. Yet one doesn't even need to know how to do something as miniscule as walking in heels gracefully to work in a strip club. Imvho, I think SCs would have more of an entertainment edge if girls were hired based on their ability to actually dance.

I know it probably sounds unjust, and I do apologize, but every time I open one of those "Do i need to learn how to poledance/do floorwork/ dance before I start stripping?" Threads I am so bothered by the reality that the answer is always going to be "No." The fact that you don't need to know how to dance when pursuing a career as an exotic *dancer* seems so ridiculous to me.

ChocoChanelGirl
06-12-2013, 01:58 AM
I'm not having problems with extras in my club,

I'm have problems with the lazy ass customers that come in and don't pay for anything (or pay the littlest for the most).

I'm having problems with the lazy ass dancers (clean and dirty) who forget it is their job to entertain!

ChocoChanelGirl
06-12-2013, 02:00 AM
No worries, it's just the comment about complaining about extras and hurting top earners' incomes.

OP already said:



I think that there was a time in a couple of clubs where I ended up being a top girl for a while, I'm not sure actually but I noticed that I was very busy compared to a lot of girls and sometimes I felt like they were watching me. They probably wondered if I were doing something too, but I did not see it reflect my income. If they said anything to management I don't think they cared. If they said anything among each other I never noticed it because I try not to talk to anyone anyway and I try to stay out of the dressing room because I hate that place.

In my experience if a girl badmouths another girl to a customer by calling her dirty, etc., the response from the customer usually is that they don't like how the dancer is being petty or they will actually go looking for said girl in hopes that she will deliver. That's just my experience though.

Girls need to realize that it is us girls against the customer. When will girls realize that cut-throat behavior is really in the customer's favor? You'd be surprised how many regulars (ESPECIALLY "EXTRAS" REGULARS) that enjoy watching two girls duke it out over nonsense.

charlie61
06-12-2013, 10:54 AM
I couldn't agree with this standpoint more. There aren't any prerequisites for this job, which completely leaves me dumbfounded. The whole idea behind stripping is to convey an intimate fantasy through *movement*. Yet one doesn't even need to know how to do something as miniscule as walking in heels gracefully to work in a strip club. Imvho, I think SCs would have more of an entertainment edge if girls were hired based on their ability to actually dance.

I know it probably sounds unjust, and I do apologize, but every time I open one of those "Do i need to learn how to poledance/do floorwork/ dance before I start stripping?" Threads I am so bothered by the reality that the answer is always going to be "No." The fact that you don't need to know how to dance when pursuing a career as an exotic *dancer* seems so ridiculous to me.

Yes. I was really thinking about this last night. So let's say we pick a busy city and open up a strip club where we only hire gorgeous, truly entertaining women. Dances involve some contact but generally less than the city's norm. Dance prices are the standard $20 with opportunities to upsell.

Do you think the club would do well? Or is it too late to 'save' the exotic-dancing side of this industry?

charlie61
06-12-2013, 11:37 AM
Do you think the club would do well? Or is it too late to 'save' the exotic-dancing side of this industry?

My first thought was that maybe that would just result in a Portland-esque situation where the girls generally only make $100-200/night. I'm not sure why Portland is unique in this way - perhaps there are too many clubs in the city, and too many girls, etc.?

MyButter
06-12-2013, 01:25 PM
I honestly wonder... even here, where the standard is no-contact and stage only, an unequal playing field has been established through OTC meetups-which usually don't involve *anything* sexual in nature. So when it comes to extras, I feel like at this time, they will always exist in some form?

I don't even think it's fair for me to say that OTC exchanges are "extras" here because they are seriously scenarios where sparkles will meet jimmy in a super populated area for ice cream before heading to work, and when jimmy comes in he will tip sparkles $50 on each tip walk and the rest of us $1 because sparkles took the time out of her busy day to stroke his ego. Alas, regardless of the fact that sparkles hasn't technically done anything wrong she has still created an uneven playing field.

Perhaps clubs could prevent unequal earning opportunities if they reverted back to a system where they paid us to work and dancers were bound via contract to refrain from doing things that would be considered "extras" in their area. I think clubs would have to pay us quite substantially for this to be effective though?

simone87
06-12-2013, 11:03 PM
Perhaps clubs could prevent unequal earning opportunities if they reverted back to a system where they paid us to work and dancers were bound via contract to refrain from doing things that would be considered "extras" in their area. I think clubs would have to pay us quite substantially for this to be effective though?

yeah the thing that's great about dancing, is that you try your best to give good dances, be charming, entertain, so that the sky is the limit. i've been more proactive in researching my job, reading hustle hut again and again, becoming anal about my appearance so that i can excel in this. that would be too much like a regular job and kind of take away what many girls love the most about dancing. kind of like splitting tips, it sucks. also, there is noooo way they could regulate who girls meet outside of the club, unless they put a chip in your head or became complete psycho stalking nazis lol.

ava$
06-13-2013, 12:45 AM
technically in most states there not legal. I learned that here in florida when they started busting bikini clubs. We had toi have a license to work there and we all got tiuckets in the mail for lap dances or lewd and lucivious . They never even came in the club. Then years later when I didn't dance here anymore a club was busted in my area for lap dancing and the lawyer said that in most states any sexual arousal in exchange for money constitutes as prostitution. They have rules against lap dancing at most clubs here even tampa has a 3or 6 foot rulke they enacted around 8 years ago but they don't enforce it, it's usually election year anyone finds out about these rules. But yeah technically lap dances are illegal in most states they just don't waste the funds to enforce it.
YOu guys got tickets in the mail but they didnt go into your club? So what did they just send a ticket to everyone with a dancer license on file at that club a ticket weather they worked that night or not? wtf

michele11
06-15-2013, 03:29 PM
^ Yeah. Rdidculous!

Nina_
06-16-2013, 12:29 PM
Speaking of extras, I had a horrible experience at work last night. On my way back to the dressing room I checked the dance tally sheet and saw that I was number one on it. So I went into the dressing room and started to take off my dance clothes and then chuckled to the housemom that I lead the charts in dances and don't even do extras (I work in the city that's filled with extras). So at this point, there are two girls in the dressing room who do extras who heard me say that to the housemom and they decide to start talking shit to me, one tried to say "you must not have made money if you're complaining about extras!" I said hunny go check the dance sheets, I gave more dances than anyone here like I always do and I make about $100,000 a year! Then they start saying they're gonna fight me when I step outside the club. I don't care if they jump me, I'm not scared of them, so I get in one of their faces and say if you wanna threaten me we can go right now, because I'm not gonna let anyone talk to me like that, and then the bouncers come in and start holding me back while these girls babble on and on about how they're gonna fuck me up.

Then my manager comes into the dressing room and the girls scurry out of the room, so I'm explaining to the bouncer about how THEY started shit with ME because of what I said to the housemom, then my manager (who'd been drinking all shift long) comes up to me and literally picks me up by my shoulders/biceps (I now have a bruise on my right bicep from this) and shoves me onto the counter screaming at me to shut the fuck up. I'm still naked at this point. After I start to leave, my friend tells my manager he shouldn't put his hands on me and he then told her that the only reason he lets her work here is because of me because she's ugly (which is not true, she doesn't make as much as me but is still one of the top earners, not to mention she got hired at this club about 8 months before he did) and then he told her he was going to kill her. WTF?

My disrespectful manager wouldn't let me talk to him, so fine, if he doesn't want to be professional I'll stoop down the their level so I ran outside to the parking lot to find these girls who were talking so tough about jumping me, I went up to their car and told them to get out but they wouldn't because they're all talk. I know it's not professional to act that way, but when girls are threatening me I'm not gonna bend over and take it up the tailpipe. The bouncer and housemom were both on my side. The bouncer called me this morning, he talked to my manager once he'd sobered up and my manager says everything is cool but everything is not cool! He's a new manager, only been here a few weeks, with a reputation of having a temper. Everywhere I've worked my management likes me and respects me because I'm professional and "clean", and I'm upset that this manager would completely take these girls sides when they're doing extras and completely disrespect me. I told my agent what happened - he represents my club and has told me he's disliked this new manager for years from knowing him at other clubs, so he's going to call the owner and talk to him about it because I guess this isn't the first time he's "acted inappropriately" towards other girls.

Anyhow, sorry for the rant, it was just an awful experience. But I'm looking forward to working tomorrow because no one is going to run me out of my own club, and when I go back I will be back with a vengeance and lead the dance charts like I always do!

EDIT - Omg I'm so sorry that ended up being so long!