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FasaCorp
05-31-2013, 06:43 PM
If you hit a dancer on stage, whether by spanking, flicking, or whatnot, you are violating both the dancer and the rules of the club. Restraint is a valuable (and sadly disappearing) trait to have.

unbeleavable
05-31-2013, 07:11 PM
Is this A ?

unbeleavable
05-31-2013, 07:25 PM
Paying a stripper to spank her is kinda weird. /:O....yeah You don't Know you're a Customer Yet?




Unbeleavable

simone87
05-31-2013, 08:12 PM
idk, im not sure its right to say a dancer willingly letting guys spank her automatically has " no self respect". different people like different things. maybe she liked it, maybe she thought it was worth a dollar, and that's her decision ( unless its agains the laws/rules). for whatever reason. some don't like it, some do. i don't think porn has anything to do with it either. just last night we had a big horde of customers coming in and spanking each other, and every stag party in there has a guy getting spanked with a belt ( VERY hard i might add) by the dancers themselves on stage.. i myself absolutely love getting spanked in the bedroom but would fuck somebody up if they did it to me on stage! i guess im just saying different strokes for different folks. if they want it, that's fine. what's wrong is spanking the girls without permission

Djoser
05-31-2013, 11:43 PM
What's very wrong about it in my mind is this.

The example is being given, for all to see, that spanking a girl onstage for one little fucking dollar is perfectly OK and even fun for all. If you want the guys to respect the women in your club, don't ever let them spank the girls, except maybe in private dance rooms/CRs, and only if the girl doesn't mind of course.

From my experience, the same dancers that let everyone spank them for a dollar, or their friend's dollar, tend to be the same ones who will let the customers grope them all over onstage as well, for the same discount bargain basement price of a dollar. They are more prone to get into trouble in other ways as well, though not always of course. It's just what I have observed in 13 years working the clubs.

I have also worked some pretty rough clubs.

Of course there are exceptions to this tendency I have observed, who simply do not care about it and are completely desensitized.

Good point about the bachelor parties! Personally I cannot stand that shit, but as a DJ, you have to cater to the guys willing to pay a lot of money to have their best friend humiliated in front of a bunch of strangers. Anyone who did that to me would no longer be my friend.

Djoser
05-31-2013, 11:54 PM
I have been working with a dancer named Heather for the better part of four years, who simply does not give a fuck if guys spank her--just so long as they pay at least one dollar for doing so. Same goes for the guys that grab her ass when she walks by.

Many times I have seen her turn around instantly, walk up to the guy with a smile, and say 'You owe me a dollar.' If they don't cough it up right away (maybe half the time), she will tell them 'It's quite simple, the choice is up to you--either you pay me a dollar for what you did, or you leave now.' Still smiling. Most pay up at this point, but usually they have already proven that they are total dicks by resisting the very low price.

She could care less. No problem with self-esteem there lol.

I am happy to say I have helped her resolve the issue a few times. ;D

!TheOne
06-02-2013, 10:28 AM
Um, this is a board about strip clubs. Most of the men posting here are regular customers in clubs. That means we go on a regular basis. In fact, I just came from one...

Why are you here again?

I am a fitness model, but I wanted some advice about being a cam model in my spare time. I didn't realise it was only for female cam models until after I registered.

But these other topics I find interesting also. For instance, I had no idea there were stripclub 'regulars'.

TheOne

rickdugan
06-02-2013, 01:31 PM
I am a fitness model, but I wanted some advice about being a cam model in my spare time. I didn't realise it was only for female cam models until after I registered.

But these other topics I find interesting also. For instance, I had no idea there were stripclub 'regulars'.

TheOne

You've posted derogatory and ignorant comments about club customers, not once but twice now, in the Customer Conversation forum of a stripper support site. And by the very ignorance of those comments, it was quite clear, even before you mentioned it, that you do not often see the customers about whom you've been such an expert. ;)

Given that most people posting on this type of site are far from immune from narrow minded judgmentalism, it is generally considered good form to refrain from taking shots of that type at other groups of people who participate on this forum. For example, some might have their own negative opinions about a grown man who cannot find a better way to earn than to jerk himself off for the amusement and sexual gratification of other men, but those opinions would also be ignorant and narrow minded. See what I mean?

You can carry yourself however you choose I suppose, but you might want to consider dialing that sort of thing back a bit.

!TheOne
06-02-2013, 01:42 PM
You've posted derogatory and ignorant comments about club customers, not once but twice now, in the Customer Conversation forum of a strip club website. And by the very ignorance of those comments, it was quite clear, even before you mentioned it, that you do not often see the customers about whom you've been such an expert. ;)

Given that most people posting on this type of site are far from immune from narrow minded judgmentalism, it is generally considered good form to refrain from taking shots of that type at other groups of people who participate on this forum. For example, some might have their own negative opinions about a grown man who cannot find a better way to earn than to jerk himself off for the amusement and sexual gratification of other men, but those opinions would also be ignorant and narrow minded. See what I mean?

You can carry yourself however you choose I suppose, but you might want to consider dialing that sort of thing back a bit.

You're right. Apologies. :)

TheOne

tabletalker
06-03-2013, 04:26 AM
Why does everyone seem to think it's ok to spank, pinch, lick, bite, or otherwise mildly assault strippers? (
I certainly don't think it's OK to do any of the above. My experience is mainly of European clubs, where any customer would be quickly shown the door in these circumstances.

(I posted a thread a few years ago on the subject of strippers who spank themselves as part of their routine. Maybe that provides a context - not an excuse, of course - for customers who take liberties. If you're interested, here's a link to that thread: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?144476-Strippers-Who-Spank-Themselves-Why.)

yoda57us
06-03-2013, 04:28 PM
(I posted a thread a few years ago on the subject of strippers who spank themselves as part of their routine. Maybe that provides a context - not an excuse, of course - for customers who take liberties.


Not quite sure what you mean by "context" since what a dancer does as part of her act has nothing to do with what sort of actions a guy sitting at the stage (hopefully) tipping should be doing. If she squeezes her breast while on stage should the customer assume it's OK for him to do that when she comes over for a tip? What about if she bends over and spreads her ass cheeks or runs her finger long her vagina? Is the customer supposed to assume that it's OK to join in? This is ridiculous! This is just as archaic as the idiots who maintain that a woman walking down the street in a miniskirt is asking to be raped!

There are no valid excuses or possible explanations for what bad men do to women other than the simple fact that they are missing the "common sense" and "respect" genes from their DNA....

FasaCorp
06-03-2013, 05:44 PM
There are no valid excuses or possible explanations for what bad men do to women other than the simple fact that they are missing the "common sense" and "respect" genes from their DNA....

Lol. Or they could not have been taught the difference between civil and rude behavior? These things have to be taught from an early age, when a person is highly impressionable and absorbs information rapidly. If that foundation for civilized behavior is not there, then they will either figure it out for themselves eventually (which takes a high degree of perception and empathy) or they will grow up acting like douchebags. Education is the key to solving an astonishing number of problems.

Cheo_D
06-03-2013, 07:58 PM
Or they could not have been taught the difference between civil and rude behavior? These things have to be taught from an early age, when a person is highly impressionable and absorbs information rapidly. If that foundation for civilized behavior is not there, then they will either figure it out for themselves eventually (which takes a high degree of perception and empathy) or they will grow up acting like douchebags. Education is the key to solving an astonishing number of problems. Right, we go back to some large part of the population being succeptible to the conditioning effect of an environment that abounds in the message, "get yours, fuck how everyone else feels" -- demeaning portrayals of sex in general or adult entertainers in particular is just a subset of that. People that have taken as good the fallacy that inside the strip club, since some normal social rules are waived (i.e. girls shake their naked boobs at you as a form of introduction), then none of those rules apply.

Also, let's face it, there are locations where the stageside customer will be allowed to get away with far, far more than what is the ostensible norm. People who experience that will try and duplicate it in other times and places.

Jhh80
06-04-2013, 11:51 AM
As a side note, see the recent movie Pain & Gain (pretty good dark-comedy aside from the following) to see how Hollywood and media portrays the typical dancer, (not favorably in the brains department). In my experience, this couldn't be further from the truth, most dancers and waitresses at a SC that i've gotten to know, all are intelligent, have been students (yes actual students) and most importantly have a time horizon/exit strategy.

Until media and mainstream America become more comfortable with themselves, negative stereotypes about SC's and dancers being evil/sinful sub human family destroying lowlifes will unfortunately continue. This untrue stereotype that some men buy into prompts them to think the rules get checked at the door along with their coat and $20 entry fee.

RosesForMyLove
06-05-2013, 01:18 PM
I know why. Because men are dogs and want to touch /fuck anything that looks good or in most cases anything that has a pussy and a pulse as I like to say.

The idea of a “perfect gentleman” especially in a strip club is almost nonexistent. There will always be some asshole or groups of them who think it’s ok to cop a feel. Maybe I am overdoing it but I just had a guy the other night nearly assault me.

Djoser
06-06-2013, 03:12 AM
In my experience, this couldn't be further from the truth, most dancers and waitresses at a SC that i've gotten to know, all are intelligent, have been students (yes actual students) and most importantly have a time horizon/exit strategy.

Wow I would love to visit that club. Unfortunately my experience has been that by far the majority of both male and female employees of the clubs are neither particularly intelligent nor mindful of their future prospects for exiting the business. One of the reasons I like it here in SW so much--there are so many intelligent, articulate dancers (and a very few male staff members).

I truly wish I could say my experience was otherwise. Color me jaded, but that's what 13 years in Florida clubs will do.


Until media and mainstream America become more comfortable with themselves, negative stereotypes about SC's and dancers being evil/sinful sub human family destroying lowlifes will unfortunately continue. This untrue stereotype that some men buy into prompts them to think the rules get checked at the door along with their coat and $20 entry fee.

You hit the nail on the head; to a distressing degree, they check their brains and their manners at the door. I noticed this right away when starting as a DJ: take your average guy and put him in a stripclub, he will tend to act like a little bit of an asshole. Take a guy who is a little bit of an asshole and put him there, he tends to be a prick. The assholes become insufferable...

knightwish
06-06-2013, 05:34 AM
Jhh which professions do you think get positive media portrayals uniformly? Stripping has been treated as a rather glamorous life in many Hollywood movies. Let me just pick a list of 13 high budget movies with strippers (I'm a little surprised by the choices but this is random):

Dusk Till Dawn -- gorgeous costumes...
Showgirls -- women are seen as showgirl quality dancers (true in many vegas clubs) selling high milage LDs go get by
Sin City -- Jessica Alba's scene... glamour
Barbwire -- female heroic lead is also a stripper
Closer -- very clean. Girl of mystery throughout the movie. Got Portman an Oscar nomination.
Flashdance -- incredible dance numbers, little nudity. Much more like a vegas show than a classic strip club.
Full Monty -- comedy: stripping fun
Grindhouse -- main character is seen as quite happy as a stripper before zombies chew off her leg and she goes for revenge
Striptease -- no LD...
The Wrestler -- a very positive portrayal of an older stripper seen as a stabilizing influence. A beautiful semi-wife for an off balanced guy.
Magic Mike -- comedy: stripping fun.
Zombie Strippers -- campy and fun. Stripping is treated as a normal profession that one has to make absurd to create drama.
Dancing at the Blue Iguana -- experimental theater about the underclass in LA. Stripping is seen as a high wage job for women who might otherwise have far worse prospects.

I could keep going. That's not a negative portrayal.

Djoser
06-06-2013, 05:55 AM
Good point, but it wasn't all that many years ago that every single movie about strippers had them being killed in horrible ways by lunatics. In keeping with the whole late Twentieth Century cinematic premise that Sex=Death.

estafador
07-02-2013, 06:09 PM
how are customers able to get close enough to the dancer while on stage to do anything other than slap their booty? There's definitely something wrong with management.

ToeOfTheCamel
07-02-2013, 07:12 PM
....I'm wondering how many stripclubs you've been to?

Radius
07-19-2013, 05:23 PM
how are customers able to get close enough to the dancer while on stage to do anything other than slap their booty? There's definitely something wrong with management.

Different cities and states have different ordinances about how close customers and dancers can get, whether on stage or wherever else. I've never been in a strip club where I'm *not* close enough to the dancer on stage to spank her. I would not do so, mind you; it's just odd to see the sentiment that proximity on stage only happens in clubs with bad management.

Dave in Phoenix
07-20-2013, 02:30 AM
In about 30 years of strip club experience I have never seen a customer slap, hit etc a dancer on stage, although I'm not there for the stage dancing....mostly in Phoenix and Canada.

I have had dancers ask me to slap them hard or squeeze their breasts hard doing lap dances. As those that know about the B/D side, pain can be sexually pleasurable for some, releases endorphins etc just like sex. I've never had that response myself and am not into it, but understand why some dancers enjoy it. I will try to do but am just not into it.

Being an aged elder I can't understand the music today played at strip clubs, that to me is more annoying, way too loud and just noise than anything pleasant to hear. But the rare times I can even understand the screaming in the music, I am amazed how much of it is violent towards women especially sexually. I guess this gets guys excited feeling macho and helps them pay more to dancers so they can express their machoness (sp?).

That attitude as someone earlier hinted at may be a certain young generation culture us old folks just don't get.

My interests are the opposite, caring massage, caressing nicely breasts, massage the lymph nodes etc. Zillions of times I've had dancers tell me they wish their boyfriends or husbands touched like that. I've had dancers crying in my arms just based on caring touch. So I am wired the opposite, have taught Esalen massage for swing couples and even great session with a stripper and her boyfriend (Asian) with the guy wanting to learn techniques (in Toronto).

They key of course is if the guy gets off spanking a dancer be sure the dancer wants that done! That is just common sense respect.

Barney Stinson
07-23-2013, 09:11 PM
I have never slapped a dancer on stage until a couple of weeks ago. I dont know what got into me. She pointed her ass to me and I believed she said for me to slap it, so I did. Later on in the stage dance she did the same thing. Apparently, I didnt hear her say to slap it again because she turned her head and looked at me and said "go ahead" and so I did. Tipped her more than I normally do for stage dances. She came to sit with me afterwards for some chit chat and off we went to get some dances later on. Had a real fun time that night. But honestly, I probably wouldnt do that to another dancer on the stage. Heck...I see dancers rub their bare naked chest in guys faces on the stage so I wouldnt think a slap would be that bad.

yoda57us
07-23-2013, 09:25 PM
Heck...I see dancers rub their bare naked chest in guys faces on the stage so I wouldnt think a slap would be that bad.

You may want to go back and read from the start of this thread. What we are talking about here is unwanted and unsolicited touching by customers. In most states, even in a strip club, that would actually be considered sexual assault and/or assault and battery.

Barney Stinson
07-23-2013, 10:07 PM
You may want to go back and read from the start of this thread. What we are talking about here is unwanted and unsolicited touching by customers. In most states, even in a strip club, that would actually be considered sexual assault and/or assault and battery.

Well what I guess what im trying to say is it just varies. Some dancers dont mind...some like the OP does mind. Not all customers are going to know what is or is not ok with every dancer.

Aniela
07-23-2013, 10:31 PM
Well what I guess what im trying to say is it just varies. Some dancers dont mind...some like the OP does mind. Not all customers are going to know what is or is not ok with every dancer.

Which is why it's a very good rule of thumb to not simply assume that this sort of thing is ok w/ every dancer. Had a customer recently who roughly grabbed me from behind, restraining me, fondled my breasts which is smtg I don't tolerate from anyone - & genuinely couldn't seem to figure out why, after breaking free, I hit him hard enough in the jaw that I heard smtg crack over the music. "But Dancer X loves that shit! Wtf is wrong w/ you?!"

Aniela
07-23-2013, 10:40 PM
... Being an aged elder I can't understand the music today played at strip clubs, that to me is more annoying, way too loud and just noise than anything pleasant to hear. But the rare times I can even understand the screaming in the music, I am amazed how much of it is violent towards women especially sexually. I guess this gets guys excited feeling macho and helps them pay more to dancers so they can express their machoness (sp?).

That attitude as someone earlier hinted at may be a certain young generation culture us old folks just don't get.

... The key of course is if the guy gets off spanking a dancer be sure the dancer wants that done! That is just common sense respect.

For the life of me I can't understand what self-respecting woman would dance to a song like 'Bitches Ain't Nothin But Tricks n Hoes'.

I think the music ppl are raised w/ can certainly have an impact on their behaviour, particularly in the SC environment, but I am sad & angry to see how even among ppl who fancied themselves 'respectful/respectable' - common sense respect seems to be checked at the door.

Barney Stinson
07-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Which is why it's a very good rule of thumb to not simply assume that this sort of thing is ok w/ every dancer. Had a customer recently who roughly grabbed me from behind, restraining me, fondled my breasts which is smtg I don't tolerate from anyone - & genuinely couldn't seem to figure out why, after breaking free, I hit him hard enough in the jaw that I heard smtg crack over the music. "But Dancer X loves that shit! Wtf is wrong w/ you?!"

Wow. That is some crazy stuff I would never do to a dancer. He must have been hitting up the crack pipe before coming in. I only been to a couple of clubs (im from the dfw area) and the craziest thing i seen so far is some girl come in to fight with a dancer while she was in the middle of a lap dance.

Aniela
07-23-2013, 10:53 PM
I've danced in Orlando, Daytona & DFW. Creeps like that running around all over. Unfortunately, they are not all just drunk or on smtg. If only it were that simple.

yoda57us
07-24-2013, 06:51 AM
Well what I guess what im trying to say is it just varies. Some dancers dont mind...some like the OP does mind. Not all customers are going to know what is or is not ok with every dancer.

Right, so why assume that it's OK?

Barney Stinson
07-24-2013, 03:31 PM
Right, so why assume that it's OK?

My guess? They assume its okay until a dancer tells them otherwise.

azaleanola
07-24-2013, 04:15 PM
I don't see how whether or not a particular stripper or customer is into BDSM in real life affects what is acceptable behavior in a strip club.


Edit: Oops. was responding to something posted 2 pages ago.

simone87
07-24-2013, 10:46 PM
^ which is why you just don't do it unless specificially asked, and even then i just wouldn't. i would hope you don't just go around spanking girls because SOME of them have asked you to lol

Radius
07-24-2013, 10:58 PM
I don't see how whether or not a particular stripper or customer is into BDSM in real life affects what is acceptable behavior in a strip club.

Edit: Oops. was responding to something posted 2 pages ago.

Two pages ago or not, as someone who has been a lifestyle player for decades, and has had some incredible fun playing at BDSM with a lot of strippers in a lot of VIP rooms, I wouldn't dream of just spanking a stripper on stage, unsolicited (I personally wouldn't do it regardless, because I hate drawing attention to myself at the stage). It wouldn't even occur to me that that would be okay.

yoda57us
07-25-2013, 09:01 AM
Thank you Radius. What's been annoying me about this thread is the "some girls like it, some girls don't contingent. This thread is NOT about any sort of voluntary contact that a dancer may allow in order to make money. It's about bad men doing something that they are not supposed to do-assaulting a woman simply because she happens to be dancing on a stage with no clothes on. I'm not sure what's more frustrating, the fact that some "men" do it or the fact that some guys don't seem to think it's a big deal...

azaleanola
07-25-2013, 11:26 PM
For what it's worth, I have also had mutually pleasurable kinky experiences in strip clubs. I'm more submissive in my real-world sex life (nice antidote to always having my guard up at work), but I have dabbled in pro-domme work and am comfortable in that role.

Well-negotiated, well-compensated spanking does indeed have a place in strip clubs. I hope it's obvious to everyone that that's not at all what the OP was bitching about.

ToeOfTheCamel
07-25-2013, 11:50 PM
In the case of personal comfort levels varying woman to woman, the old saying, "when in doubt, go without" applies...

SweetJulia
07-26-2013, 03:52 AM
OP-I absolutely hated this behavior and want everyone who thinks it's ok to know that *THAT* was why I left clubs and started doing webcam, because creeps with a few bucks felt the cover charge they paid gave them full access to my body. Can you tell this topic really pisses me off?

Barney Stinson
07-26-2013, 03:11 PM
In the case of personal comfort levels varying woman to woman, the old saying, "when in doubt, go without" applies...

True. But unfortunately not everyone goes by that saying. Others implement the "You don't know unless you try..." saying.

!TheOne
07-27-2013, 10:48 AM
Thank you Radius. What's been annoying me about this thread is the "some girls like it, some girls don't contingent. This thread is NOT about any sort of voluntary contact that a dancer may allow in order to make money. It's about bad men doing something that they are not supposed to do-assaulting a woman simply because she happens to be dancing on a stage with no clothes on. I'm not sure what's more frustrating, the fact that some "men" do it or the fact that some guys don't seem to think it's a big deal...

They will continue to do it again and again, unless you ask a bouncer to throw them out.

!TheOne
07-27-2013, 10:49 AM
Thank you Radius. What's been annoying me about this thread is the "some girls like it, some girls don't contingent. This thread is NOT about any sort of voluntary contact that a dancer may allow in order to make money. It's about bad men doing something that they are not supposed to do-assaulting a woman simply because she happens to be dancing on a stage with no clothes on. I'm not sure what's more frustrating, the fact that some "men" do it or the fact that some guys don't seem to think it's a big deal...

They will continue to do it again and again, unless you ask a bouncer to throw them out.

yoda57us
07-27-2013, 03:39 PM
They will continue to do it again and again, unless you ask a bouncer to throw them out.

Well, sometimes that will happen and sometimes it won't-which is part of the problem. In any event, I think what we are talking about here is a bit more about why it happens...

yoda57us
07-27-2013, 03:39 PM
They will continue to do it again and again, unless you ask a bouncer to throw them out.

Well, sometimes that will happen and sometimes it won't-which is part of the problem. In any event, I think what we are talking about here is a bit more about why some men think it's OK to do it in the first place...

estafador
10-08-2013, 07:28 AM
Sounds like someone has a STRONG misandry going on in their lives. That's terrible to live life as such

Nina_
10-08-2013, 08:17 AM
This is a norm in Detroit, partially because extras are so very widespread here. I have had many a guy pull his dick out during a dance. What the fuck? Did I SAY I wanted your disgusting penis to be out while I'm giving a lapdance? The fact that some guys think it's OK is quite baffling to me. It is most definitely sexual harassment, and would be consider such anywhere else, but this is a strip club so of course it's OK. And the guys who try to kiss me during dances, same thing. Will they kiss a random girl they find attractive in a regular public setting? No, but they're getting lapdance in the vip so they think their actions are now justified. Ugh.

Jasmine.Doll
10-08-2013, 10:09 AM
I worked at a club recently where a little 2 way contact was allowed on stage, as long as the girl hasn't taken off her clothes yet. I worked with this chick who would go around pervert row and have each guy smack her ass as hard as they could while she pretended like she couldn't feel it. Then she'd ask for it harder. I hated this girl. I refused to go on stage after her because then all those guys would think it was cool to leave giant welts on my booty. Not ok.