View Full Version : Spearmint rhino lv, dancers will be employees by july 1, 2013
Climber
07-20-2013, 04:38 AM
no, there were no mandatory tip outs. mandatory tip outs are more of a east coast thing, I don't think ive worked at any here that have them. they play all genres of music and do their best to play what you want within reason. maybe a specific song isnt okay but ive heard country rock played. they also play a lot more rap than other vegas clubs which is rare in general for a high class club. you can choose to pay beforehand to go offstage. some nights I don't get called at all tho since there are so many girls and vip takes you off. girls wear everything here. ive seen dominatrix, see thru (technically against the rules/law but they allow it), ugly micro outfits, super urban outfits, pants, full body suits, all sorts of shoes including granny wedges and flats, you get my drift. I wish they had more rules about outfits because a lot of the girls bring the quality of the club down. their "independent contractor freedoms" that ppl seem to love so much make the club look trashy and hurt everyones money.
but this employee thing has actually been great for me. lots of girls left and I think over a few months itll balance out and the girls who are still here are hot and dedicated. no more sudden flooding of girls and no more girls who treat this club as their trash can cuz theyre only gonna be here for a day or two. those of us who are left can stick together and get to know each other a little better which will help everyone. everyone who wants to come here for a weekend to get drunk, undercut us, treat the staff like shit and leave early with customers can go to sapphire!!!
Okay. I'm glad to hear it has worked out well for you. If I may ask, has it effected your money much? Are you still able to hustle and earn like before?
I still prefer independent, personally. And btw, I work at Sapphire ans I don't go home with customers, so that is a very unfair and silly assumption. Plus, I treat all the girls I work with as I would want to be treated. Even if we are not a 'team'. It's just human decency.
charlotte.
07-20-2013, 04:45 AM
Okay. I'm glad to hear it has worked out well for you. If I may ask, has it effected your money much? Are you still able to hustle and earn like before?
I still prefer independent, personally. And btw, I work at Sapphire ans I don't go home with customers, so that is a very unfair and silly assumption. Plus, I treat all the girls I work with as I would want to be treated. Even if we are not a 'team'. It's just human decency.
I didnt say that about girls at sapphire. I said girls who come here for a night just to act like a mess now no longer have that option and they will have to act like a fool elsewhere, with sapphire being the most likely option.
its way too early to tell but this week was great for me. nothing less than 1k which is great for july, especially since there haven't been any conventions. except tonight :( we lost power tonight because of the rain so I got all ready for nothing :( so me and my friends just went out for some yummy food and drinks at mix. according to the weather reports the rain is supposed to be even worse tomorrow! thank god im not scheduled. my car is filthy now from the puddles.
Climber
07-20-2013, 04:45 AM
and good luck - because nobody else is likely to support such a position.
why? Why would ppl not sign it if most don't seem to want to be employees anyways?
And again, why not just have a choice for the girls between part time and full time? Like every other freaking job?
Climber
07-20-2013, 04:50 AM
I didnt say that about girls at sapphire. I said girls who come here for a night just to act like a mess now no longer have that option and they will have to act like a fool elsewhere, with sapphire being the most likely option.
its way too early to tell but this week was great for me. nothing less than 1k which is great for july, especially since there haven't been any conventions. except tonight :( we lost power tonight because of the rain so I got all ready for nothing :( so me and my friends just went out for some yummy food and drinks at mix. according to the weather reports the rain is supposed to be even worse tomorrow! thank god im not scheduled. my car is filthy now from the puddles.
Aww I heard about that at the Rhino tonight. But I am glad to hear your money is still roughly the same.
I did not mean to sound defensive, (although I totally did lol), but I do hate it when girls act like that, too...coming into the club and being rude. For the most part though I have never had a problem with anyone, personally. But I have seen some idiots. And they were usually gone the next day. Either told to leave or I suppose went home. The girls who are there regularly are cool as hell.
Melonie
07-20-2013, 04:52 AM
why? Why would ppl not sign it if most don't seem to want to be employees anyways?
1 million people could sign petitions for some special status falling between 'employees' and independent contractors. But it will never happen because it will wind up costing the gov't tax revenues, will make ObamaCare more difficult to implement, etc. It would also open a 'Pandora's Box' for all sorts of other industries to try and obtain special status for themselves as well.
Like it or not, the federal gov't ( via ObamaCare revenues ), state gov'ts ( via unemployment and disability revenues ), even labor unions ... see ... have a vested interest in seeing dancers treated as employees.
why not just have a choice for the girls between part time and full time? Like every other freaking job?
... because thanks to the ObamaCare law 30+ hours per week 'full time' status will soon wind up costing employers ~$4000 per employee per year in ObamaCare health insurance subsidies / penalties plus state unemployment insurance fund and disability insurance fund payments etc. that the employer is NOT required to pay if employees have 28- hours per week 'part time' status. This has already prompted fast food chains, hotel chains, theatre chains, state & local gov'ts, etc. to 'convert' former full time employees into part time employees. Again, you will know by next April 15th ( actually by January 1st ) if these same sort of employer cost pressures / savings prompts SR to start limiting 'employee' dancers to a maximum of 28 hours per week.
It may turn out that Vegas dancers wishing to work 'full time' a year from now will wind up doing so by working 3 nights for SR and working another 3 nights for Sapphires ( after they also convert to 'employee' status for dancers ). Time will tell.
I am glad to hear your money is still roughly the same.
I did not mean to sound defensive, (although I totally did lol), but I do hate it when girls act like that, too...coming into the club and being rude
Again I don't want to raise any undue concern, but in many locations the fact that 'new' dancers are constantly appearing in local clubs provides an incentive for local customers to keep coming to the club and spending money. Granted the fact that, in Vegas, having the same group of 'employee' dancers working in the club week after week isn't likely to be much of a factor ... given the huge 'tourist' turnover of Vegas strip club customers. However, the situation could be quite different at sister clubs in other cities where the 'tourist' turnover is very small thus clubs must rely more heavily on the repeat spending of a local customer base ( who may grow tired of seeing the same dancers week after week month after month ) . Again, time will tell.
2 tons of fun
07-20-2013, 09:05 AM
So all of this is because of obamacare combined with the lawsuits?
Climber
07-20-2013, 01:14 PM
The government can literally count every penny I make, lol. I just want my freedoms as a worker and with my schedule to remain the same, that's all. Like I said, I am trying to transition, as many girls are I'm sure, into something else because we can't do this until we are 65, lol
I just hope whatever changes happen are not huge scheduel changes, or huge changes in the money we make.
Climber
07-20-2013, 01:14 PM
The government can literally count every penny I make, lol. I just want my freedoms as a worker and with my schedule to remain the same, that's all. Like I said, I am trying to transition, as many girls are I'm sure, into something else because we can't do this until we are 65, lol
I just hope whatever changes happen are not huge scheduel changes, or huge changes in the money we make.
btw, thanks for the info, Melonie, and the link. I can't read it right now because the anxiety that this is causing is too awful..but I will eventually
Melonie
07-20-2013, 06:34 PM
So all of this is because of obamacare combined with the lawsuits?
yup, pretty much !!! Actually it is the new costs to employers associated with ObamaCare mandates and potential penalties, in combination with federal and state judges' rulings and 'opinions' as to what constitutes the level of control of an 'employer / employee' relationship.
As I have mentioned several times previously, ObamaCare now makes a very big deal over whether workers are classified as full time employees versus part time employees versus self-employed. The classification affects who winds up paying penalties for not providing health insurance, who winds up contributing to health insurance premium subsidy costs, etc. And the relative magnitude of these new ObamaCare related penalty and subsidy costs is MUCH larger than unpaid tipped minimum wage etc. that was the primary focus of earlier 'employee' dancer lawsuits, DOL cases etc. Thus the future financial risks to a business of having workers ruled to be 'full time employees' when the business previously treated them as independent contractors can now approach bankruptcy level.
Climber
07-20-2013, 10:01 PM
So will there be a choice between full time hours and part time hours? If dancers want to work part time, will they be able to? For example, we have no schedule. Which is great. We have so many girls who come in that there is no need for one. If you know how to hustle, u can make good money. I am by FAR not at all on of the hottest chicks there, but I can sell like a motherfucker! So it is rare I ever have a bad night. But I like to do other things in my life to achieve goals that I have since no one can retire doing this at say...65...so I like the freedom of no schedule.
So...if it is like that now, will the schedule probably stay the same but we just clock in like employees when we come in and report our hours and tips?
Due to this Sapphire which was already completely oversaturated is like Lord of the Flies.... A mess.
Melonie
07-21-2013, 07:46 AM
if it is like that now, will the schedule probably stay the same but we just clock in like employees when we come in and report our hours and tips?
Again, you need a crystal ball to try and read the actual intentions of SR. However, the fact that they are encouraging newly dubbed 'employee' dancers to work a minimum of 30 hour per week ... and that SR seems willing to pay the new costs of unemployment insurance, health care subsidies etc that go along with having 'full time' employees, would tend to indicate the following ...
- Based on anecdotal reports that SR is encouraging dancers to work 30+ hours per week, SR is probably doing so to try and avoiding future lawsuits and/or future gov't and media 'problems'. By structuring their business model using 'full time' employee dancers ( that receive benefits ), SR will be free of the criticisms that have already been leveed against certain restaurant chains, theatre chains, retail chains etc. that have been 'forcing' more and more employees to become 28- hour per week 'part time' workers ( with no benefits ) in order to avoid new ObamaCare related benefit costs, as well as to avoid existing unemployment and disability insurance premium costs.
- Because of the higher costs involved for SR to operate an 'employee' payroll system with income reporting and tax withholding, and the new costs involved for SR to pay for health insurance subsidies and unemployment / disability insurance coverage, etc., financial math would tend to indicate that SR will encourage the employee dancers to work as many hours per week as possible. After all, even though both are considered to be 'full time' employees by ObamaCare, if the club can operate with say 30 dancers working 40 hours per week instead of 40 dancers working 30 hours per week, the club stands to 'save' $40,000 per year i.e. the new $4,000 per year cost per dancer to provide health insurance subsidies and unemployment / disability insurance for ten fewer full time employee dancers. Obviously my example using 40 dancers working 30 hours per week versus 30 dancers working 40 hours per week is not realistic for the club the size of SR, but it makes the numbers much easier to understand and the basic math works the same way regardless of the actual number of dancers.
- Because some portion of total SR customer spending must now be 'redirected' to pay accountants, health care subsidies, unemployment / disability insurance premiums etc., ultimately this will mean lower overall average earnings for dancers. By going with 30 dancers working 40 hours per week, instead of 40 dancers working 30 hours per week, the same amount of total SR customer spending will in turn be split up among a smaller number of dancers, thus making the redirected new 'cut' of customer money now going to accountants, the IRS, and insurance funds, instead of into dancers' purses, less 'noticeable' for the remaining dancers.
- The practical issues of trying to keep a club properly staffed with as few 'full time employee' dancers as possible would tend to indicate that the scheduling of shifts will need to be quite rigid.
Due to this Sapphire which was already completely oversaturated is like Lord of the Flies.... A mess.
The same math used above for total SR customer spending now being divided up among a smaller number of 'full time employee' SR dancers, with a new ( albeit at the moment invisible ) 'cut' going to the IRS, state unemployment fund, health insurance companies etc., also applies on the 'flip side' to dancers in other Vegas clubs. Again assuming that the total number of customer dollars being spent in all Vegas clubs has not increased, with whatever amount of SR customer spending dollars now being divided up among a smaller number of SR employee dancers, other dancers who have decided to move to other clubs to avoid SR's employee transition are now working with the same fixed pool of customer spending dollars being divided up among a LARGER number of independent contractor dancers.
The unanswered question, of course, is whether or not SR customers will continue to patronize SR after the 'employee' transition becomes well known ( and the complement of SR dancers having very little 'new' talent also becomes well known ), versus SR customers taking themselves and their money to different Vegas clubs. As pointed out, for the moment customers choosing to patronize Sapphires instead of SR will now find a huge number of dancers to choose from. And due to the drop in Sapphire dancer earnings because the same amount of total customer money must now be divided up among a larger group of dancers, it's very possible that some Sapphire dancers will start offering customers 'extra' attention in an effort to restore their income levels. And word of more 'bang for the buck' potentially being available at Sapphires may encourage some SR customers to check out Sapphires instead. As to where all of this will eventually 'balance out' again, your guess is as good as mine.
2 tons of fun
07-21-2013, 10:06 AM
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Melonie
07-21-2013, 05:13 PM
I didnt see this movie, what do you mean exactly?
(snip)"In the book, the kids refer to the littluns as insects. Piggy even says that he couldn't remember all their names because there were SO many. Thus, they are considered to be like swarming flies. Too many to count"(snip)
Melonie, vegas is different compared to other states when relating to a loyal customer base and tourists
I already acknowledged that the customer 'turnover' in Vegas is much higher than in other cities ... thus the fact that Vegas SR may no longer add many new dancers to the roster is likely to have much less of an effect than it might at a sister club in a different city. Also understood about the role of cabbie payoffs ( although that's not totally unique to Vegas ). On the other hand, if SR Vegas is now required to pay out $2.95 per dancer per hour, plus all of the other new costs to the club stemming from 'full time employee' dancer classification, it remains to be seen whether the club can still afford to bait for customers with big cabbie payoffs.
We're starting to drift off topic ... so I'll simply repeat what I posted earlier. Time will tell how all of the changes, both deliberate and unintended, will 'balance out' in the end. Certainly it will take until the first of the year ( when ObamaCare health insurance becomes available and employer subsidy payments start ) or next April 15th ( when the overall tax effects of W2 income reporting and limited 'employee' business expense tax deductions results in an actual amount of dancer taxes due ) to develop a really clear picture.
DiamondCupcakes
07-21-2013, 07:17 PM
no, there were no mandatory tip outs. mandatory tip outs are more of a east coast thing, I don't think ive worked at any here that have them. they play all genres of music and do their best to play what you want within reason. maybe a specific song isnt okay but ive heard country rock played. they also play a lot more rap than other vegas clubs which is rare in general for a high class club. you can choose to pay beforehand to go offstage. some nights I don't get called at all tho since there are so many girls and vip takes you off. girls wear everything here. ive seen dominatrix, see thru (technically against the rules/law but they allow it), ugly micro outfits, super urban outfits, pants, full body suits, all sorts of shoes including granny wedges and flats, you get my drift. I wish they had more rules about outfits because a lot of the girls bring the quality of the club down. their "independent contractor freedoms" that ppl seem to love so much make the club look trashy and hurt everyones money.
but this employee thing has actually been great for me. lots of girls left and I think over a few months itll balance out and the girls who are still here are hot and dedicated. no more sudden flooding of girls and no more girls who treat this club as their trash can cuz theyre only gonna be here for a day or two. those of us who are left can stick together and get to know each other a little better which will help everyone. everyone who wants to come here for a weekend to get drunk, undercut us, treat the staff like shit and leave early with customers can go to sapphire!!!
Can go to Sapphire? No thanks. We got all the girls that left Rhino lol.
arielbriel
07-21-2013, 07:26 PM
There are some pros and cons to this. Some pros are having health insurance, dental, and 401K (if you want it), and having your tax money collected right away when you cash in funny money. THis benefits dancers that are lazy or not good at saving their money for taxes. We already know the obvious cons..
DiamondCupcakes
07-21-2013, 07:28 PM
I was told just today that there is a choice as to whether or not one wants to participate in the 30 hours a week plus insurance. Might do some investigating this week. The weekend was definitely crazy for anyone working in the stormy weather. I'll let you ladies know if I find anything else out :-/ Thanks again so much melonie for posting
arielbriel
07-21-2013, 08:43 PM
If you work less than 30 hours a week (which I do), then you don't qualify for insurance so to me the whole thing, is pointless.
DiamondCupcakes
07-21-2013, 10:51 PM
Too bad it doesn't include dependents =(
charlotte.
07-21-2013, 11:01 PM
If you work less than 30 hours a week (which I do), then you don't qualify for insurance so to me the whole thing, is pointless.
nevada law is dif I think, if your employer doesn't provide insurance then it has to pay a higher wage.
Climber
07-22-2013, 01:24 AM
lord of the flies references?
yeah..the government it sharpening a stick on both ends
Climber
07-22-2013, 01:45 AM
I don't want the government to babysit me. I know how to save my money and do my taxes. If girls are regularly making min wage then maybe stripping is not for them. Taking free enterprise down to the lowest common denominator is not the answer. It makes me sick.
I gave a good chunk of my life to the Army for my health benefits. If I did not have the VA, I would pay for my own health insurance. If girls are not responsible enough to do the basics of this stuff, then that is too bad for them. but not all of us will benefit from being employees, especially if we do very well at running our own business.
Climber
07-22-2013, 01:46 AM
I don't want the government to babysit me. I know how to save my money and do my taxes. If girls are regularly making min wage then maybe stripping is not for them. Taking free enterprise down to the lowest common denominator is not the answer. It makes me sick.
I gave a good chunk of my life to the Army for my health benefits. If I did not have the VA, I would pay for my own health insurance. If girls are not responsible enough to do the basics of this stuff, then that is too bad for them. but not all of us will benefit from being employees, especially if we do very well at running our own business.
Climber
07-22-2013, 01:48 AM
As you have guessed by now.... yeah..I am kind or the extreme opposite of a socialist. Remember that some of our best custies are usually entrepreneur themselves..well at least in my experience. Am I alone here?
arielbriel
07-22-2013, 02:30 AM
I didn't say I wanted that, either. Just stating a mere fact.
Melonie
07-22-2013, 08:31 AM
If you work less than 30 hours a week (which I do), then you don't qualify for insurance so to me the whole thing, is pointless.
Working as a 28- hour per week employee dancer would seem to be the worst of all worlds. Your tip and other income are still going to be reported to the IRS via a W2. You still won't be able to deduct expenses that fall outside the limited realm of 'employee business expenses'. And of course, as a 'part-time' employee, you will not be eligible for unemployment insurance, disability insurance, employer subsidies to help pay for your own health insurance premiums, etc. And starting in 2014, YOU will be charged an IRS penalty if you fail to purchase your own health insurance.