View Full Version : Dr. Streamate or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Plan B
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 04:58 PM
My point was, there are still plenty of people doing fine on Streamate. So why are those people doing fine while other girls aren't? That wouldn't make sense. It would be you, in that case, not the site (though the sites do have tech issues sometimes).
In that case:
- Change your rates (either raise them or lower them)
- Change what you look like (wig, outfits, etc because trends change)
- Change your attitude (this is a BIG one) and become nicer or more interactive
- Change your niche(s)
If plenty of girls are making money still (which they are), then the issue lies in something you are doing wrong.
As I have stated earlier, I am done with that part of the discussion. I have already said that for me personally this isn't a Streamate issue. This is a 'more eggs in my basket issue'.
Although I am completely amused at the fact that you think this thread should be about all the things I am persnally doing wrong as a camgirl when it comes to Streamate.
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 05:02 PM
Yes it must be the performers. Not the cheap ass customers, the ones that think it's a dating site, the ones wanting an escort or the ones that want cheap ass Gold shows. Pretty fucking rude to say it's the performers and no other factors besides the tech issues. Could it be a performer, perhaps. It could also be the customer base has changed greatly and not for the better. It's a factor of things and you shouldn't lay the blame on other performers.
My point was, there are still plenty of people doing fine on Streamate. So why are those people doing fine while other girls aren't? That wouldn't make sense. It would be you, in that case, not the site (though the sites do have tech issues sometimes).
In that case:
- Change your rates (either raise them or lower them)
- Change what you look like (wig, outfits, etc because trends change)
- Change your attitude (this is a BIG one) and become nicer or more interactive
- Change your niche(s)
If plenty of girls are making money still (which they are), then the issue lies in something you are doing wrong.
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 05:17 PM
If I admit that I am the worst camgirl on Streamate and that everything I do is my fault and I have brought it all on myself and that every other girl that makes money there is because they are just better than I am at everything they do......
Can we please get back to the subject of having other eggs in your basket other than one single camsite?
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Marina Starr
06-29-2013, 05:22 PM
No, I think I am THE worst camgirl ever in the history of SM.
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justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 05:42 PM
No, I think I am THE worst camgirl ever in the history of SM.
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bubblegumbitch
06-29-2013, 06:07 PM
i see where glamour is coming from JAC and if you keep getting stuck in the idea that it's always the cheap ass custies fault then your going to constantly have a negative out look on gaining and keeping regs. yes i understand that it's annoying but it's just the way it is. you gotta constantly check yourself and change things every once in a while. not saying ur a horrible cam girl. not at all, its something every cam girl has to do. the game is always changing. it seems like u get pretty defensive on that subject JAC. but we're just trying to figure out what needs to be fixed and help.
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 06:12 PM
i see where glamour is coming from JAC and if you keep getting stuck in the idea that it's always the cheap ass custies fault then your going to constantly have a negative out look on gaining and keeping regs. yes i understand that it's annoying but it's just the way it is. you gotta constantly check yourself and change things every once in a while. not saying ur a horrible cam girl. not at all, its something every cam girl has to do. the game is always changing. it seems like u get pretty defensive on that subject JAC. but we're just trying to figure out what needs to be fixed and help.
I see where both of you are coming from.
What I don't see is why no one seems to respect that I have already said I do not want to debate this issue and yet they keep trying to engaging me into doing so despite my expressed wishes.
The reason I am defensive is because I put a boundry in place that people keep insisting on walking across.
Edited to add: Nothing needs to be fixed when it comes to me and Streamate! You are the one who made this about me. I never asked for any advice on Streamate or on my hustle. As I have said over and over like a broken record I am just looking for more eggs to put in my basket.
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 06:21 PM
Flirt4Free is another option. Their customer support is amazing, I love their forums for performers, they have great contests and their traffic is getting better. It's worth checking out if anyone if looking for another cam site.
Nikki_Fox
06-29-2013, 06:27 PM
No - I am the worst camgirl on SM - I havent got to log on in forever
Marina Starr
06-29-2013, 06:29 PM
Are we competing to see who's the worst camgirl on SM? I'm sure you work other sites beside SM?
No - I am the worst camgirl on SM - I havent got to log on in forever
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 06:30 PM
Dang it! If I can't be the best or the worst what is left for me to be?
Oh yeah....I can just be me.
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CourtneyRaine
06-29-2013, 07:03 PM
I'm certainly NOT the best cam girl, trying really hard not to be the worst, but mostly I just look at myself like this after a long and crappy day because it's the only thing that fixes free chat fuckery:
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So far today I've made about 3x more than I usually do on Saturdays, having done well on both my primary and secondary sites (which never happens in the same day) and I still plan on camming for a few more hours. Part of me wants to be like fuck yeah, summer slump is OVAH but then reality sets in and the truth is, even if the slump I've been in is starting to lift the safest thing I can do for myself is develop those non-adult streams of income. Not because I'm a good cam girl or I'm getting better or whatever, but because I don't want to still be stuck doing free chat in 40 years. I feel like if you ever plan on completely retiring from camming and doing something else for supplemental money you might as well start pursuing that something else now if you're looking for more eggs. If you just want to cam like crazy, stack that paper while you're young, invest like crazy and retire completely before you completely burn out, go balls to the wall and cam your lady bits off because that is an awesome plan. I know I'll never be successful enough with camming alone to set up my future like that- many girls are and do, but I don't earn that much and I probably never will. I'm totally fine with that, and also have enough foresight to realize that plan wouldn't work for me based on my earnings. If I can just maintain what I'm making camming for now until my other stuff takes off life will be good, so I've decided to stop looking for better sites because really, it's just wasting my time because it doesn't fit with *my* personal end goal.
Funny thing about college degrees. I have a bachelors from a really good university, graduated magna cum laude, and yet never once had a job that required me to have that degree- and I worked in three pretty awesome yet different professions before camming full time. I could have made the same salary with just a high school diploma, and I was making pretty good money for a girl in her early 20s fresh out of school. When I moved West jobs were SO scarce out here- I could not even get a job at McDonalds, and hell yes I applied I have no shame in saying. Even if I did get hired I'd be making so much less compared to what I could make working from home, even in a non-adult position, if I properly grow my business. Getting a degree is Awesome and I don't think I regret it but it seems like with the current job market, unless you have a really specialized degree in an in demand field you might be better off forgoing the student loan debt and hit the ground running as an entrepreneur or small business owner.
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 07:04 PM
Yes it must be the performers. Not the cheap ass customers, the ones that think it's a dating site, the ones wanting an escort or the ones that want cheap ass Gold shows. Pretty fucking rude to say it's the performers and no other factors besides the tech issues. Could it be a performer, perhaps. It could also be the customer base has changed greatly and not for the better. It's a factor of things and you shouldn't lay the blame on other performers.
All I know is, I make fantastic money almost every time I'm on except for when I work in the slow 5-6 hour bracket when no regulars are on. I'm not blaming other performers, but its a FACT that many performers are still making the same great money they always have. I could easily list off like 12 girls I talk to off of StripperWeb who have been on SM for years, and are still going strong. That's.... a fact so... Those girls and the girls who are still doing fine keep saying they don't want to comment on this post (they're reading it though) because there's no point in claiming how awesome they're doing when someone else is not doing great, but I personally thought it was important to point out at least. The customer base could be changing, but isn't the point to build up regulars? Like with any site? To remember people (customers) and what they like so that they get more shows?
There are tech issues yes, but they aren't dealbreakers and don't usually hinder money. You may to have restart your feed or internet, but that's inevitable using a program (HD encoder) that makes you responsible for like 90% of your streaming bandwidth. That's a risk that comes with the territory, which is going to cause freezing, lag, and broadcasting issues. The % SM would take would be much higher if we weren't using our own heavy bandwidth, hence the reason why they place girls using the encoder above (in placement) girls who are not using it.
i see where glamour is coming from JAC and if you keep getting stuck in the idea that it's always the cheap ass custies fault then your going to constantly have a negative out look on gaining and keeping regs. yes i understand that it's annoying but it's just the way it is. you gotta constantly check yourself and change things every once in a while. not saying ur a horrible cam girl. not at all, its something every cam girl has to do. the game is always changing. it seems like u get pretty defensive on that subject JAC. but we're just trying to figure out what needs to be fixed and help.
I agree!!! Honestly, I'm going to be honest here. I've lurked almost EVERY girl who has been complaining about Streamate (its not just one of you! Its like 10 of you) and you all just sit in free chat and stare or act rude to potential customers. Its one thing to be a domme (that me), but there is a nice way to be a domme (smiling, laughing, teasing, engaging) and there is a mean way to be a domme (acting rude, not smiling, ignoring, shutting people down quickly, and complaining). In order to make sales, you need to be really engaging and happy. If you don't want to engage, I feel like you would still make money, but probably just at a lower rate if you aren't getting shows at your current rate.
I'm just being honest with constructive criticism here since I see several people in this thread and others (The Streamate Thread) being one, complaining that they aren't making money when all they are doing is sitting in free chat looking mean and mad and not saying anything or acting like a bitch. Customers do not spend on that. And as a business person, its important to look at all aspects if you are not making money while other people are (which I know is happening and am pointing out!)
This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others.
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 07:07 PM
Let's try this clarification thing one more time, shall we?
What this thread is not:
* A place to critique and dissect my person hustling style or any other girls hustling style on Streamate.
* A place to finger-point or blame why some girls may be currently making less money on Streamate then other girls.
What this thread is:
* A reminder of how important it is to have a Plan B and also thoughts on having more then one egg in your basket.
* A place for camgirls to discuss what they do when their primary site may be slow.
Points to remember:
1. This is not a thread about Streamate.
2. I never asked for opinions on my hustle style.
3. I do work other camsites other than Streamate.
4. I have asked to not be included in any debates on Streamate.
5. Rainbows are pretty.
6. I am hungry and wish I had a cookie right now.
7. We are all in this together.
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 07:11 PM
This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others.
Of course you are.
I had already expressed that I didn't want any part of this debate but I didn't want to be rude and completely ignore your post about the subject since I was the one who started this thread so I humored them. But now that that I know my wishes are a moot point and there are no hard feelings I can happily ignore them from now on.
CourtneyRaine
06-29-2013, 07:17 PM
"6. I am hungry and wish I had a cookie right now."
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justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 07:17 PM
I agree!!! Honestly, I'm going to be honest here. I've lurked almost EVERY girl who has been complaining about Streamate (its not just one of you! Its like 10 of you) and you all just sit in free chat and stare or act rude to potential customers. Its one thing to be a domme (that me), but there is a nice way to be a domme (smiling, laughing, teasing, engaging) and there is a mean way to be a domme (acting rude, not smiling, ignoring, shutting people down quickly, and complaining). In order to make sales, you need to be really engaging and happy. If you don't want to engage, I feel like you would still make money, but probably just at a lower rate if you aren't getting shows at your current rate.
Since you are talking about lurking my room and making this completely personal lets just get something straight.
You don't know the first thing about my hustling style OR my money and you are making MAJOR assumptions about the sources of my complaints about Streamate.
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 07:21 PM
Since you are talking about lurking my room and making this completely personal lets just get something straight.
You don't know the first thing about my hustling style OR my money and you are making MAJOR assumptions about the sources of my complaints about Streamate.
I've lurked like everyone whose ever been on page 1 lol. As I'm sure most of us have, for work/business purposes. You have also posted your link stuff in chatzy before, so obviously I have with everyone in there especially. I agree with other people in this thread who have already pointed out that things have been taken wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too personally.
Also:
This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others.
Since you are talking about lurking my room and making this completely personal
Marina Starr
06-29-2013, 07:21 PM
I see how you are, girl!
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justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 07:22 PM
I've lurked like everyone whose every been on page 1 lol. As I'm sure most of us have, for work/business purposes. I agree with other people in this thread who have already pointed out that things have been taken wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too personally.
It is hard not to take things personally when people have made it personal.
You have expressed your opinion about my hustling.
And I have expressed mine.
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 07:26 PM
So, if everyone is happy here with there 'constructive criticism' does this mean we can move on to the information part again?
CourtneyRaine
06-29-2013, 07:34 PM
You know what's interesting about camming style? When I am nice and talkative and moving around a lot viewers want to be my bff and never freaking pay me. When I am a rude, boring, snarky bitch to asshats and them give no entertainment or acknowledgement whatsoever until they pay me, I end up making more that shift. I've told these men I'm convinced they all love bitches so if I have to act like a nasty bitch for them to pay me, so be it. Someone looking in might consider me boring as hell and trust me, it Feels boring as hell and I hate acting that way, but it does get *me* more privates. Will it work for everyone, hell no. I don't even know why it works for me because I find it really bizarre, but it does. That's my style on one of my sites (it only works for me on one in particular, I could never try it on other sites). The great news is, I can change my style. I'm in control. If and when it stops working I can try a different approach.
You've got to admit, there are some things that are just NOT in a performer's control. Things that drive loyal viewers away from sites that you cannot change. I've had several very good spenders on one of my sites leave because they don't like the way lots of girls scam them, the way support doesn't help them to resolve credit issues, poor quality cam and video quality, ongoing technical problems with chatting, etc. This is why they've told me they left and None of that is in my control.
I can't comment on SM because I haven't cammed on there in almost a year and though this thread isn't about Streamate specifically I do think that is one site that has gone through Tremendous changes and I can totally see why those changes would drive many good customers away. I am always reading about guys getting kicked out of shows, shows lagging severely, guys having issues with support not helping them resolve their billing issues, etc. Maybe some girls have regs who stay and stick it out with them. Maybe some girls have regs who have decided the site is too damn glitchy so they've moved on to other cam sites. Who knows? Just like I know several guys have left my itty bitty site due to site issues, I can imagine that guys would be leaving SM in droves, or at the very least drastically reducing their spending on there because the technical aspect is so unreliable. For the girls whose regs those were, that Sucks and of course there's nothing the model can do about it when guys get fed up with ongoing problems. Thus, cam on another site or two just in case. Do something else to make additional money when you can. If your regular spenders are leaving the site it's a good idea to look at other sites as well.
SarahTime
06-29-2013, 08:06 PM
All I know is, I make fantastic money almost every time I'm on except for when I work in the slow 5-6 hour bracket when no regulars are on. I'm not blaming other performers, but its a FACT that many performers are still making the same great money they always have. I could easily list off like 12 girls I talk to off of StripperWeb who have been on SM for years, and are still going strong. That's.... a fact so... Those girls and the girls who are still doing fine keep saying they don't want to comment on this post (they're reading it though) because there's no point in claiming how awesome they're doing when someone else is not doing great, but I personally thought it was important to point out at least. The customer base could be changing, but isn't the point to build up regulars? Like with any site? To remember people (customers) and what they like so that they get more shows?
There are tech issues yes, but they aren't dealbreakers and don't usually hinder money. You may to have restart your feed or internet, but that's inevitable using a program (HD encoder) that makes you responsible for like 90% of your streaming bandwidth. That's a risk that comes with the territory, which is going to cause freezing, lag, and broadcasting issues. The % SM would take would be much higher if we weren't using our own heavy bandwidth, hence the reason why they place girls using the encoder above (in placement) girls who are not using it.
I agree!!! Honestly, I'm going to be honest here. I've lurked almost EVERY girl who has been complaining about Streamate (its not just one of you! Its like 10 of you) and you all just sit in free chat and stare or act rude to potential customers. Its one thing to be a domme (that me), but there is a nice way to be a domme (smiling, laughing, teasing, engaging) and there is a mean way to be a domme (acting rude, not smiling, ignoring, shutting people down quickly, and complaining). In order to make sales, you need to be really engaging and happy. If you don't want to engage, I feel like you would still make money, but probably just at a lower rate if you aren't getting shows at your current rate.
I'm just being honest with constructive criticism here since I see several people in this thread and others (The Streamate Thread) being one, complaining that they aren't making money when all they are doing is sitting in free chat looking mean and mad and not saying anything or acting like a bitch. Customers do not spend on that. And as a business person, its important to look at all aspects if you are not making money while other people are (which I know is happening and am pointing out!)
This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others.
I think having more eggs in more baskets is a GREAT idea, I need to work on this myself.
I agree with GR tho.... while I have experienced SHITTY customers and traffic this past month, like way worse than normal, I personally believe that it is MY own attitude that is getting in my way. How I choose to respond to these circumstances is why I was not making money. I was THAT performer GR is talking about (not saying she's talking about me personally) doing the bitching and looking ticked and frustrated in free chat! I can't even believe I let myself get to that point!!! Once I had a bit of a reality check, and changed my attitude, my earnings on Streamate when right back to normal. The very week I had my absolute WORST week ever in my history of being on SM, another performer tweeted a pic of the same exact week where she made, her cut, $6,000!!! In the very same week I made my lowest hourly average EVER. That's when I had a wake up call about my attitude.
So yah. I know it's super hard to think that you *the general you* as a performer might be doing something "wrong" but it's important to check yourself and make sure you are not getting in your own way. For me, I was the problem! Not saying you are the problem, but it doesn't help to have a good honest look and see if you can change something.
That's my two cents that one one asked for. :)
I think it's great you are exploring other options, JAC. I hope you find ones that work well for you! I totally agree with having eggs out side the adult basket as well. Good luck, bb!
justanothercamgirl
06-29-2013, 08:13 PM
I think it's great you are exploring other options, JAC. I hope you find ones that work well for you! I totally agree with having eggs out side the adult basket as well. Good luck, bb!
I hope so too!
But for some reason, I am having a hard time finding out about other people thoughts on other websites that are currently out there.
It is so funny how things is Camming Connection goes sometimes.
Ah, what can you do? Gotta love it all 'as is' because that is the only way it comes. (*laughs*)
SarahTime
06-29-2013, 08:15 PM
I hope so too!
But for some reason, I am having a hard time finding out about other people thoughts on other websites that are currently out there.
It is so funny how things is Camming Connection goes sometimes.
Ah, what can you do? Gotta love it all 'as is' because that is the only way it comes. (*laughs*)
I would give you some advice if I had any... :(
Only thing I can say is... don't write off cams.com and don't write off livejasmin until you try it out for yourself! I am shocked that I make about $500-600/mo off LJ and $1000-1200 on cams.com. Sooooo.... try them out, give it a good run, a couple months each at least, before you write them off. I haaaate trying out new sites because it really takes a good amount of time before you'll know if it's going to work for you or not. Trial and error.
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 08:21 PM
How long have you been camming? It doesn't sound like very long to me. You seem to want to KICK the performers that are already feeling down from not doing well. That is NOT cool and frankly shows you have issues. If you are referring to the girls that do dollar shows for 12 minutes, sell video's and break every fucking site rule, then yeah they are doing well. I noticed some of these performers doing well have been suspended for breaking rules and they are back at breaking them again. I personally don't really do Gold shows because of the bullshit that performers are offering for shows. They have turned the site into MFC and if I wanted to cam on MFC I would. Last I checked I am on STREAMATE. So stop with your fucking raffles, bake sales and other bullshit or go to MFC. They don't want to comment on here because many are the reason the site is declining. Good God people have some fucking standards.
Your customer comment was laughable. You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts. The traffic is full of assclowns, if you like cheap fuckers kudos to you. Feel free to convert them to your regulars.
Tech issues are deal breakers and they can hinder money. When you are disconnected from the site, the video lags, customers are kicked from the room, etc that is a money loser. Streamate already said it's their fault because their servers have issues. I'm pretty sure we provide our own bandwidth for every single cam site and many offer more than 35 percent. The biggest bitch I hear is customer support is rude to customers. Read any review site on Streamate and lots of customers have said they left the site after customer support treated them like shit. Wide screen has also caused many issues as well. Like I said it could be a performer issue, but you can't ignore the other factors either. They do exist.
Sometimes I read these comments and wonder what the fuck is wrong with some of these cam performers. It's hard to have cammed so long and remember when cam performers could do a show without flashing pussy or sitting topless in free chat. You relied on your personality and charm. It's a shame new performers will never experience that.
All I know is, I make fantastic money almost every time I'm on except for when I work in the slow 5-6 hour bracket when no regulars are on. I'm not blaming other performers, but its a FACT that many performers are still making the same great money they always have. I could easily list off like 12 girls I talk to off of StripperWeb who have been on SM for years, and are still going strong. That's.... a fact so... Those girls and the girls who are still doing fine keep saying they don't want to comment on this post (they're reading it though) because there's no point in claiming how awesome they're doing when someone else is not doing great, but I personally thought it was important to point out at least. The customer base could be changing, but isn't the point to build up regulars? Like with any site? To remember people (customers) and what they like so that they get more shows?
There are tech issues yes, but they aren't dealbreakers and don't usually hinder money. You may to have restart your feed or internet, but that's inevitable using a program (HD encoder) that makes you responsible for like 90% of your streaming bandwidth. That's a risk that comes with the territory, which is going to cause freezing, lag, and broadcasting issues. The % SM would take would be much higher if we weren't using our own heavy bandwidth, hence the reason why they place girls using the encoder above (in placement) girls who are not using it.
I agree!!! Honestly, I'm going to be honest here. I've lurked almost EVERY girl who has been complaining about Streamate (its not just one of you! Its like 10 of you) and you all just sit in free chat and stare or act rude to potential customers. Its one thing to be a domme (that me), but there is a nice way to be a domme (smiling, laughing, teasing, engaging) and there is a mean way to be a domme (acting rude, not smiling, ignoring, shutting people down quickly, and complaining). In order to make sales, you need to be really engaging and happy. If you don't want to engage, I feel like you would still make money, but probably just at a lower rate if you aren't getting shows at your current rate.
I'm just being honest with constructive criticism here since I see several people in this thread and others (The Streamate Thread) being one, complaining that they aren't making money when all they are doing is sitting in free chat looking mean and mad and not saying anything or acting like a bitch. Customers do not spend on that. And as a business person, its important to look at all aspects if you are not making money while other people are (which I know is happening and am pointing out!)
This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others.
takiaya
06-29-2013, 08:51 PM
Info about cam4:
pays new models $10 an hour for the first 100 hours, and gives you instant gold status if you email Kim about it.
has 2 private options currently. You can take someone private yourself into a password protected room for an agreed upon amount of time and tokens
or you can click the enable private requests option under your broadcast and they can request a pvt with you for 24tkns a minute ($2.40 your part) and you can allow spies for 8tkns each a minute (.80cent a minute)
is free chat and token based, you can ban and kick ppl if you choose. guests can not talk to you at all ever. to talk to you they have to sign up for atleast a basic account.
you can sell videos, photos, clothing etc in exchange for tokens, they do not host your videos though like mfc
Cam4 is my current main site, I was gone for almost 3 weeks with this week being my first week back and I pulled $650 working about 4 days this week less that 6 hours a day.
Take this information as you will, this is my experience with cam4. Not really qualified to give information anywhere else as my previous main site was mfcs and I havent been live there in a few months.
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 09:40 PM
How long have you been camming? It doesn't sound like very long to me.
LOL wut. I have been camming 2.5 years. I have been on Streamate with my current account for a few months shy of 2 years. I make 90% of my money off my regulars. I don't use toys anymore, but wouldn't be opposed to doing so in a long exclusive block or for the right tip. I do use a toy as a prop though, but not in the way you would think. It is my biggest money maker because I hold it up and it attracts the type of customers I am trying to attract.
You seem to want to KICK the performers that are already feeling down from not doing well. That is NOT cool and frankly shows you have issues.
No its constructive criticism. All these threads and posts about girls complaining they aren't making money when a lot of other girls are still making the same or more. It would be worse not to say anything when I could just as easily share advice that might help, which is what I did.
If you are referring to the girls that do dollar shows for 12 minutes, sell video's and break every fucking site rule, then yeah they are doing well. I noticed some of these performers doing well have been suspended for breaking rules and they are back at breaking them again. I personally don't really do Gold shows because of the bullshit that performers are offering for shows. They have turned the site into MFC and if I wanted to cam on MFC I would.
I do not do gold shows ever, unless I am working with multiple girls at the same time only to drive traffic for exclusives and privates for after, which brings in more money for us.
Majority of the other girls who I was referring to also never do gold shows, or very rarely.
Last I checked I am on STREAMATE. So stop with your fucking raffles, bake sales and other bullshit or go to MFC. They don't want to comment on here because many are the reason the site is declining. Good God people have some fucking standards.
Lol wut. I never mentioned anything except Streamate. I'm on Streamate. Not on MFC, and I do not do raffles or any of that. Neither do the girls I was referring to. They are girls on Streamate who are usually in row 1 or 2, in classic chat only.
Your customer comment was laughable. You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts. The traffic is full of assclowns, if you like cheap fuckers kudos to you. Feel free to convert them to your regulars.
Considering I charged 14.99/min yesterday and 7-8/min usually, I don't think they are cheap. Gold show guys are cheap typically, and same with vanilla customers. My customers are almost exclusively fetish and femdom guys, but I really learned over the years how to find out exactly what they want, and then build on it. Like if he's interested in Fetish XYZ then he would also like these other fetishes which are usually comorbid with that fetish. And that's how I get them to keep coming back. I also give them assignments sometimes, and make sure I make DETAILED specific notes so I remember each and every guy.
So IMO, the key to building customers is being nice, finding out what they want, finding like items, and make them come back. If you build a relationship with them (a professional one, not an emotional or actual relationship lol), then they will end up liking you and coming back. But when they see a bitch or a bored girl in free chat, they won't be able to connect. And that is the biggest lost money, not tech issues.
Tech issues are deal breakers and they can hinder money. When you are disconnected from the site, the video lags, customers are kicked from the room, etc that is a money loser. Streamate already said it's their fault because their servers have issues.
They can be, but they are not 24/7. Its a price you pay for such heavy traffic you did not personally bring to the site.
I'm pretty sure we provide our own bandwidth for every single cam site and many offer more than 35 percent.
Yes, but Streamate also brings heavy traffic, has no chargebacks, and allows you to earn 20% more if you bring a customer who spends on other girls, or 40% more if you bring a customer and he spends on you. I've gotten some converts when I pimped my cammodels link.
Sometimes I read these comments and wonder what the fuck is wrong with some of these cam performers. It's hard to have cammed so long and remember when cam performers could do a show without flashing pussy or sitting topless in free chat.
These are definitely not girls on StripperWeb. I personally rarely even get naked below the belt even in exclusive, unless the price is right. However, that is one way to sell a gold show. You can't knock someone else's hustle if they are making money from it and its allowed on the site. I make all my money off my personality, charm, niche, and character in free chat. I'm not even really a character- just an aspect of myself I like to unleash online, so in many ways I guess I am a good actor because I am just being an aspect of myself. But the character or persona you create is very important.
You relied on your personality and charm. It's a shame new performers will never experience that.
Actually, I just Streamate-trained the hell out of MissSassyPickles who just started on that site a couple months ago, and she is doing really, really well. Already near the top.
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 09:47 PM
I think having more eggs in more baskets is a GREAT idea, I need to work on this myself.
I agree with GR tho.... while I have experienced SHITTY customers and traffic this past month, like way worse than normal, I personally believe that it is MY own attitude that is getting in my way. How I choose to respond to these circumstances is why I was not making money. I was THAT performer GR is talking about (not saying she's talking about me personally) doing the bitching and looking ticked and frustrated in free chat! I can't even believe I let myself get to that point!!! Once I had a bit of a reality check, and changed my attitude, my earnings on Streamate when right back to normal. The very week I had my absolute WORST week ever in my history of being on SM, another performer tweeted a pic of the same exact week where she made, her cut, $6,000!!! In the very same week I made my lowest hourly average EVER. That's when I had a wake up call about my attitude.
So yah. I know it's super hard to think that you *the general you* as a performer might be doing something "wrong" but it's important to check yourself and make sure you are not getting in your own way. For me, I was the problem! Not saying you are the problem, but it doesn't help to have a good honest look and see if you can change something.
That's my two cents that one one asked for. :)
I think it's great you are exploring other options, JAC. I hope you find ones that work well for you! I totally agree with having eggs out side the adult basket as well. Good luck, bb!
That's exactly what I was getting at!
That being said, to the OP of the thread who is looking for new cam sites, I think you should just try every single one of them. Add more on as you start making new money, and end up splitting with like all of them. It will probably take 2-3 computers and webcams to do so though. But worth it!
Use a different name than your main stage name if you charge less on those sites or make a lower % or less money per minute on those sites. You could even go by the same name, but just pick some random phrase for your screen name. IMO its better if your screen name is different though, so customers don't google you and then find your cheapest site.
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 10:01 PM
She didn't ask you for constructive criticism. She has said that a few times now. Also the traffic Streamate has now is shit compared to what it used to be. I think A.L. summed it up best when she said "Gold shows killed the webcam star" That's from someone that has cammed for 11 years and is damn good at it.
I was talking about Streamate. Not sure how you can miss all the raffles, giveaways, selling of panties, selling of phone numbers and all the other bullshit these ladies are forced to do in order to make money now. When top performers are doing $1 Gold shows to hit a goal you know damn well something is wrong with the site. They also don't suck or can't do good shows.
The girls in row one or two on the first page of Streamate are 95 percent Gold shows. Not sure where you think they are in classic chat.
You weren't on Streamate during it's good times, before the Gold show bullshit. When they had major traffic and good customers. All their traffic rankings show the site has lost a major amount of traffic since the beginning of 2013. I believe about 50 percent of a drop. Clearly these customers didn't leave for shits and giggles. Something made them leave besides the economy.
Yes I can knock someone's hustle if it creates cheap customers demanding that I do stuff that such and such does. If your hustle effects me, then you can be damn sure I will call you on it. I also don't care who you trained, that doesn't change the fact the site has issues. How do you not seem to grasp that concept? Every cam performer having issues can't suck and need new game. I mean damn.
LOL wut. I have been camming 2.5 years. I have been on Streamate with my current account for a few months shy of 2 years. I make 90% of my money off my regulars. I don't use toys anymore, but wouldn't be opposed to doing so in a long exclusive block or for the right tip. I do use a toy as a prop though, but not in the way you would think. It is my biggest money maker because I hold it up and it attracts the type of customers I am trying to attract.
No its constructive criticism. All these threads and posts about girls complaining they aren't making money when a lot of other girls are still making the same or more. It would be worse not to say anything when I could just as easily share advice that might help, which is what I did.
I do not do gold shows ever, unless I am working with multiple girls at the same time only to drive traffic for exclusives and privates for after, which brings in more money for us.
Majority of the other girls who I was referring to also never do gold shows, or very rarely.
Lol wut. I never mentioned anything except Streamate. I'm on Streamate. Not on MFC, and I do not do raffles or any of that. Neither do the girls I was referring to. They are girls on Streamate who are usually in row 1 or 2, in classic chat only.
Considering I charged 14.99/min yesterday and 7-8/min usually, I don't think they are cheap. Gold show guys are cheap typically, and same with vanilla customers. My customers are almost exclusively fetish and femdom guys, but I really learned over the years how to find out exactly what they want, and then build on it. Like if he's interested in Fetish XYZ then he would also like these other fetishes which are usually comorbid with that fetish. And that's how I get them to keep coming back. I also give them assignments sometimes, and make sure I make DETAILED specific notes so I remember each and every guy.
So IMO, the key to building customers is being nice, finding out what they want, finding like items, and make them come back. If you build a relationship with them (a professional one, not an emotional or actual relationship lol), then they will end up liking you and coming back. But when they see a bitch or a bored girl in free chat, they won't be able to connect. And that is the biggest lost money, not tech issues.
They can be, but they are not 24/7. Its a price you pay for such heavy traffic you did not personally bring to the site.
Yes, but Streamate also brings heavy traffic, has no chargebacks, and allows you to earn 20% more if you bring a customer who spends on other girls, or 40% more if you bring a customer and he spends on you. I've gotten some converts when I pimped my cammodels link.
These are definitely not girls on Streamate. I personally rarely even get naked below the belt even in exclusive, unless the price is right. However, that is one way to sell a gold show. You can't knock someone else's hustle if they are making money from it and its allowed on the site. I make all my money off my personality, charm, niche, and character in free chat. I'm not even really a character- just an aspect of myself I like to unleash online, so in many ways I guess I am a good actor because I am just being an aspect of myself. But the character or persona you create is very important.
Actually, I just Streamate-trained the hell out of MissSassyPickles who just started on that site a couple months ago, and she is doing really, really well. Already near the top.
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 10:08 PM
She didn't ask you for constructive criticism. She has said that a few times now.
Lol I am aware SHE said that, which is why I had written THIS: "This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others."
Also the traffic Streamate has now is shit compared to what it used to be. I think A.L. summed it up best when she said "Gold shows killed the webcam star" That's from someone that has cammed for 11 years and is damn good at it.
Not for me and for others! Not for those who bring their own traffic and get 70% either.
I was talking about Streamate. Not sure how you can miss all the raffles, giveaways, selling of panties, selling of phone numbers and all the other bullshit these ladies are forced to do in order to make money now. When top performers are doing $1 Gold shows to hit a goal you know damn well something is wrong with the site. They also don't suck or can't do good shows.
I don't do those things and still make good money. Same with the other girls I mentioned. Not every guy wants that. Especially men who are trying to hide adult stuff from their significant others, or those into random fetishes they are embarrassed out in real life. In fact, fetish and femdom guys are almost never into things like that, which is why almost no one on MFC does fetish or femdom. Same with girls who do those thing on Streamate.
The girls in row one or two on the first page of Streamate are 95 percent Gold shows. Not sure where you think they are in classic chat.
That is not true.
You weren't on Streamate during it's good times, before the Gold show bullshit. When they had major traffic and good customers. All their traffic rankings show the site has lost a major amount of traffic since the beginning of 2013. I believe about 50 percent of a drop. Clearly these customers didn't leave for shits and giggles. Something made them leave besides the economy.
Lol yes I was! I started on that site way before gold shows even came out! My money has only increased since before gold shows came out. If anything, gold shows HELPED me because now vanilla guys flock like crazy to gold shows and stay away from me, leaving me with almost solely fetish and femdom traffic since those kinds of shows don't do well in gold shows.
I've also been a member of StripperWeb since 2008 (under a different account before this one), though I was a dancer. While I did read Other Work (this was before Camming Connection existed) often, I was not camming then. But people tended to say the same things then that people are saying now (camming was bad for some people, good for others).
HaydenBlue
06-29-2013, 10:16 PM
I'm on my 3rd year of SM and am making more than ever there. I charge in the higher range (5.99/7.99) and feel I do pretty well for myself. I've had slow days and tech issues, yes, but nothing yet has made me throw my hands in the air and generalize the entire site by saying it sucks. I think some people struggle with it and some do really well. Just like some girls make a killing at MFC and some just don't. Just find a site that works for you.
Personally when splitcamming I've had good luck with MGF, AllBBW and IMLive. About 70-80% of my niche is fetish so I do well on those sites, as well as SM. I know this thread is more so about camming but as far as other eggs go, remember that phone sex isn't dead either. :)
Another thing I thought I'd add, on the subject of attitude that was talked about earlier. I know that stress totally affects my camming mood/patience/hustle. So when I'm stressed or worried about something it can bring down my money. So I'll go take a bath, workout, watch a show, smoke some weed, have a glass of wine, etc. Relax and my camming and my money goes up. People really do flock to you if you are "open" and inviting. Our custies don't want to pay money to masturbate to a sourpuss. lol
Law of attraction really does work, there's a good thread on SW that is worth reading.
And dude,
Your customer comment was laughable. You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts. The traffic is full of assclowns, if you like cheap fuckers kudos to you. Feel free to convert them to your regulars.
I know that wasn't even directed at me. But I lulz'd so hard. What the hell are you smoking?
"You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts."
That is how EVERY camsite is advertised !!! FREE sex FREE sluts FREE things to stick your penis in. What site do you work? Because if you look around they advertise the same way. lol. Streamate and it's traffic are nothing new. Cheapos are everywhere. It's a horny 'dawn of the dead' out there. lol. I actually feel like some of my traffic on IMLive drives me up a wall waaay more than Streamate's. There are cheap customers everywhere - but there are also huge spenders. As long as you give the customer what they want (a la orgasm) and they like you, your personality, etc. You've pretty much converted a repeat customer. It's not a science. It's people pleasing.
Why are all the blondes so viciously angry over certain camsites?? lol
GlamourRouge
06-29-2013, 10:23 PM
Why are all the blondes so viciously angry over certain camsites?? lol
:laughing::laughing::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::laughing ::laughing::rotfl::smellie_l Even my hair is laughing right now at your comment
DoodlebugBites
06-29-2013, 10:40 PM
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Prussia
06-29-2013, 10:52 PM
She didn't ask you for constructive criticism. She has said that a few times now. Also the traffic Streamate has now is shit compared to what it used to be. I think A.L. summed it up best when she said "Gold shows killed the webcam star" That's from someone that has cammed for 11 years and is damn good at it.
I was talking about Streamate. Not sure how you can miss all the raffles, giveaways, selling of panties, selling of phone numbers and all the other bullshit these ladies are forced to do in order to make money now. When top performers are doing $1 Gold shows to hit a goal you know damn well something is wrong with the site. They also don't suck or can't do good shows.
The girls in row one or two on the first page of Streamate are 95 percent Gold shows. Not sure where you think they are in classic chat.
I'm not sure what top performers are selling $1 shows because they are so desperate to get a show going. I'm by no means a top performer and I can manage to get about 10 GS a week plus TV and bank most of my weekly earnings on that. I spend about half my time in GS and the other doing privates. I never break any rules... hustle is the name of the game. I don't give a fuck if a girl is shaving her head for a $1 GS... fuck off go see her or enjoy what I am doing. As for cheap guys, yeah there are lots of cheap guys. And there are also lots of hard working guys who simply can't afford a 20 minute exclusive esp multiple times a month. So GS really help out with those guys esp if they become your regular GS members.
You weren't on Streamate during it's good times, before the Gold show bullshit. When they had major traffic and good customers. All their traffic rankings show the site has lost a major amount of traffic since the beginning of 2013. I believe about 50 percent of a drop. Clearly these customers didn't leave for shits and giggles. Something made them leave besides the economy.
Yes I can knock someone's hustle if it creates cheap customers demanding that I do stuff that such and such does. If your hustle effects me, then you can be damn sure I will call you on it. I also don't care who you trained, that doesn't change the fact the site has issues. How do you not seem to grasp that concept? Every cam performer having issues can't suck and need new game. I mean damn.
I've been camming for about 8 years now, SM for almost 3 years. I've cammed on F4F, MFC, MGF etc... SM, with problems or not, has been hands down the best site ever. I see it like any other job, every job/site has issues at the end of the day. I left MFC because of the massive crashes a few years back and have not looked back since as well as the camming atmosphere was not my cup of tea. I wish I was one of those girls that could get guys to pay me to bake cupcakes naked as a show lol. There has been a rough patch with SM for me but it was a drop in the bucket compared to MFC or other sites bullshit.
As for selling videos.. it has been mentioned here & other threads. I was told that as long as the video is sent through a direct link like mediafire it's ok. Can someone please tell me what the deal is with selling videos exactly? Am I missing something else?
HaydenBlue
06-29-2013, 11:02 PM
As for selling videos.. it has been mentioned here & other threads. I was told that as long as the video is sent through a direct link like mediafire it's ok. Can someone please tell me what the deal is with selling videos exactly? Am I missing something else?
Correct. As long as it's sent through a download only link, it's OK and approved by Streamate. This was confirmed by tech support.
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 11:05 PM
You're right, it isn't true. I have nothing better to do then make shit up and post it on here. You are the all knowing and the rest of us are wrong about a site that we also also work on.
Lol I am aware SHE said that, which is why I had written THIS: "This is not directed toward anyone in particular, just in general. And if you don't want to talk about it, don't reply to my comments. But we are all free to say what we want to (within reason) and it might benefit others." https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?185238-Dr-Streamate-or-How-I-Learned-to-Stop-Worrying-and-Love-Plan-B&p=2507385&viewfull=1#post2507385
Not for me and for others! Not for those who bring their own traffic and get 70% either.
I don't do those things and still make good money. Same with the other girls I mentioned. Not every guy wants that. Especially men who are trying to hide adult stuff from their significant others, or those into random fetishes they are embarrassed out in real life. In fact, fetish and femdom guys are almost never into things like that, which is why almost no one on MFC does fetish or femdom. Same with girls who do those thing on Streamate.
That is not true.
Lol yes I was! I started on that site way before gold shows even came out! My money has only increased since before gold shows came out. If anything, gold shows HELPED me because now vanilla guys flock like crazy to gold shows and stay away from me, leaving me with almost solely fetish and femdom traffic since those kinds of shows don't do well in gold shows.
I've also been a member of StripperWeb since 2008 (under a different account before this one), though I was a dancer. While I did read Other Work (this was before Camming Connection existed) often, I was not camming then. But people tended to say the same things then that people are saying now (camming was bad for some people, good for others).
JaneBurgess
06-29-2013, 11:11 PM
All cam sites are not running ad's stating they are a dating site. Please show me ad's from another cam site that states that. I can live with cheap. I can't live with these assclowns actually believing it's a damn dating site. Once you long in you should be bright enough to see it's not a dating site. Hell no I don't want to date you or fuck you in real life. Also this traffic is something new. I think most performers can vouch this is the worst traffic the site has ever had. Before it was maybe twenty percent that asked you on dates, now it's more like seventy to eighty percent.
Hell I am pretty clear I am not happy with the site changes and I have started working on another site. Once I have a stronger client base on there I plan to cam there only. I also was there before Gold shows and stuff so I have every right to state my opinion on the decline of the site. The fact is the site is declining. You can't dispute multiple sources that show the traffic is down by half of what it used to be. Once again it isn't the economy, it's unhappy customers.
This blonde is Cuban and says what she thinks. :) (sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad)
I'm on my 3rd year of SM and am making more than ever there. I charge in the higher range (5.99/7.99) and feel I do pretty well for myself. I've had slow days and tech issues, yes, but nothing yet has made me throw my hands in the air and generalize the entire site by saying it sucks. I think some people struggle with it and some do really well. Just like some girls make a killing at MFC and some just don't. Just find a site that works for you.
Personally when splitcamming I've had good luck with MGF, AllBBW and IMLive. About 70-80% of my niche is fetish so I do well on those sites, as well as SM. I know this thread is more so about camming but as far as other eggs go, remember that phone sex isn't dead either. :)
Another thing I thought I'd add, on the subject of attitude that was talked about earlier. I know that stress totally affects my camming mood/patience/hustle. So when I'm stressed or worried about something it can bring down my money. So I'll go take a bath, workout, watch a show, smoke some weed, have a glass of wine, etc. Relax and my camming and my money goes up. People really do flock to you if you are "open" and inviting. Our custies don't want to pay money to masturbate to a sourpuss. lol
Law of attraction really does work, there's a good thread on SW that is worth reading.
And dude,
I know that wasn't even directed at me. But I lulz'd so hard. What the hell are you smoking?
"You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts."
That is how EVERY camsite is advertised !!! FREE sex FREE sluts FREE things to stick your penis in. What site do you work? Because if you look around they advertise the same way. lol. Streamate and it's traffic are nothing new. Cheapos are everywhere. It's a horny 'dawn of the dead' out there. lol. I actually feel like some of my traffic on IMLive drives me up a wall waaay more than Streamate's. There are cheap customers everywhere - but there are also huge spenders. As long as you give the customer what they want (a la orgasm) and they like you, your personality, etc. You've pretty much converted a repeat customer. It's not a science. It's people pleasing.
Why are all the blondes so viciously angry over certain camsites?? lol
Prussia
06-29-2013, 11:12 PM
Correct. As long as it's sent through a download only link, it's OK and approved by Streamate. This was confirmed by tech support.
Awesome lady! Thank you for clarifying.. I was starting to worry that this was not allowed. :)
Incantatious
06-29-2013, 11:40 PM
I've lurked almost EVERY girl who has been complaining about Streamate (its not just one of you! Its like 10 of you) and you all just sit in free chat and stare or act rude to potential customers.
♬ GLAM SEES ME GROANIN' - SHE HATIN'
PATROLLIN' THAT SHE TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY!
TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY ♫
;D
("Ridin' dirty' would have been if she were patrollin' for ladies breaking they rules and riding dey TOYZ! So it took me like a muthafuckin year to come up with a different rhyme because that's the level of dedication in this ho)
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Lol in all honesty I do think for the most part, Glam had sound advice. And it's true, that if your hustle is off, you're not going to make as much money as you could. However, diplomacy is a thing.. I'm sure we all know how fine a line there is between giving advice to sensitive, struggling ladies, and saying, "I've seen you work... You actually suck". I know those words weren't used, but that is the gist of it. Plus, who isn't sensitive when they're not only trying insanely hard to pay their bills BUT ALSO looking for a plan B? That is some deeply. scary. shit... and scary times make us prone to way more feels... So a little diplomacy, perhaps. Going to the length to comment on the fact that you're actively watching and actively disproving, isn't necessarily needed when you're already giving the same good advice, just not going as far as to say that you've done something that some ladies consider intrusive.
How long have you been camming? It doesn't sound like very long to me. You seem to want to KICK the performers that are already feeling down from not doing well. That is NOT cool and frankly shows you have issues.
Maybe issues with tact...? Lol, but really for all the sound advice she gave in that post, it doesn't strike me that she may have wanted to hurt anyone..
If you are referring to the girls that do dollar shows for 12 minutes, sell video's and break every fucking site rule, then yeah they are doing well. I noticed some of these performers doing well have been suspended for breaking rules and they are back at breaking them again.
I saw a top tooopppppp SM model (a model who starred in one of the SM commercials) get suspended a couple of days ago for showing her dog on cam. I'm following her on Twitter and she actually posted a screenshot of the suspension email they sent. It detailed that this was her SECOND suspension for the same thing, and they very firmly informed her that a third strike and she's banned.
I personally don't really do Gold shows because of the bullshit that performers are offering for shows. They have turned the site into MFC and if I wanted to cam on MFC I would. Last I checked I am on STREAMATE. So stop with your fucking raffles, bake sales and other bullshit or go to MFC. They don't want to comment on here because many are the reason the site is declining. Good God people have some fucking standards.
Aren't you doing just exactly what Glam was doing now? - Looking and disproving of hustle? I think yes.
The guys at Streamate seem to love (http://streamate.tumblr.com/post/53970133770/the-rules) the fact that their ladies are diversifying their sales with raffles. *shrug* Time are a-changing, and we have to keep up. I like having the option of diversifying my hustle. I don't have to, but it's there.
Your customer comment was laughable. You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts. The traffic is full of assclowns, if you like cheap fuckers kudos to you. Feel free to convert them to your regulars.
*blinks*
Tech issues are deal breakers and they can hinder money. When you are disconnected from the site, the video lags, customers are kicked from the room, etc that is a money loser. Streamate already said it's their fault because their servers have issues. I'm pretty sure we provide our own bandwidth for every single cam site and many offer more than 35 percent. The biggest bitch I hear is customer support is rude to customers. Read any review site on Streamate and lots of customers have said they left the site after customer support treated them like shit. Wide screen has also caused many issues as well. Like I said it could be a performer issue, but you can't ignore the other factors either. They do exist.
There certainly have been issues! And hell YES they've interfered with money! Thank christ my placement went back to front page when I did as Streamate DIDN'T say - and made Widescreen suck my wide seam (vagina). But I agree with both of you here. It's our job to persist with this, which is a huge thing I love about this forum - we can club together and help each other find solutions. Site owners DON'T always get it right, and new features can have wobbly starts which at first cause problems, but are intended to help, and may eventually pan out to work in the favor of everybody.
We still need to adapt!.. No matter what. And who knows what the future holds? Keeping on top of our adaptability will always be something we need to do. But we're all a team here, right? :) <3
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 12:22 AM
♬ GLAM SEES ME GROANIN' - SHE HATIN'
PATROLLIN' THAT SHE TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY!
TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY ♫
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
I was actually just talking about how I wanted to fuck Weird Al with another SW girl yesterday!!!
LadyCoco
06-30-2013, 12:26 AM
I'm probably one of the worst cam girls on here because I'm a very part-time cam girl. I work when I can because I freelance most of the time and most of my days. Like camming, freelance work is very much up and down. You never know when and if you'll be out of work or money.
I will never go on cam desperate for money, though. I only cam when I enjoy because I do enjoy it. I really do; I can't quit it. People know when you're there for the money, when you can't stand customers, or when you are desperate for shows. It's important that you log on in a good mood and ready for shows. The money comes quicker that way. I truly believe it.
I've seen so many of the top girls on SM scream at customers, throw things at the screen, and have nervous breakdowns on cam. o_O I don't know why they would think that would help them rake in the money. That's when it's time to log off and find something else to do to bring in the money. Mind you, these girls are also high off their asses on cam but SM still allows it....That's another story, another time...
Incantatious
06-30-2013, 12:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
I was actually just talking about how I wanted to fuck Weird Al with another SW girl yesterday!!!
OMFG!!! :') shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit......
No lie: I had this playing right as I clicked this post... O_O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA1jIYqEMSc&list=FLxht119I4O8bseFJr5IzqAg
(Heh, actually I've been skipping between the live and studio versions of this song for like 3 days straight becaue it's my favorite damn thing in the world and it makes me deliriously happy and I want to marry it but yeah)
Weird Al has SO much freaking stamina you know he'd probably fuck like a maniac. :3
Shit.. I wish Weird Al could save every thread here ever, bhaha! Let's make it happen! Shit starts hitting the fan here - just bring on the Weird Al.
Weird Al songs are also best played if you're having a hard night! He works wonders for me and omfg I love him way too much.
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 01:19 AM
Good points. It just pisses me off when a performer says they are struggling and another performer says it's them that's the issue. I find that to be so rude and not needed. Could it be them, perhaps. It could also be a lot of other factors as well. I just don't see the need to kick someone while they are down.
♬ GLAM SEES ME GROANIN' - SHE HATIN'
PATROLLIN' THAT SHE TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY!
TRYINA CATCH ME HUSTLIN' DERPY ♫
;D
("Ridin' dirty' would have been if she were patrollin' for ladies breaking they rules and riding dey TOYZ! So it took me like a muthafuckin year to come up with a different rhyme because that's the level of dedication in this ho)
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Lol in all honesty I do think for the most part, Glam had sound advice. And it's true, that if your hustle is off, you're not going to make as much money as you could. However, diplomacy is a thing.. I'm sure we all know how fine a line there is between giving advice to sensitive, struggling ladies, and saying, "I've seen you work... You actually suck". I know those words weren't used, but that is the gist of it. Plus, who isn't sensitive when they're not only trying insanely hard to pay their bills BUT ALSO looking for a plan B? That is some deeply. scary. shit... and scary times make us prone to way more feels... So a little diplomacy, perhaps. Going to the length to comment on the fact that you're actively watching and actively disproving, isn't necessarily needed when you're already giving the same good advice, just not going as far as to say that you've done something that some ladies consider intrusive.
Maybe issues with tact...? Lol, but really for all the sound advice she gave in that post, it doesn't strike me that she may have wanted to hurt anyone..
I saw a top tooopppppp SM model (a model who starred in one of the SM commercials) get suspended a couple of days ago for showing her dog on cam. I'm following her on Twitter and she actually posted a screenshot of the suspension email they sent. It detailed that this was her SECOND suspension for the same thing, and they very firmly informed her that a third strike and she's banned.
Aren't you doing just exactly what Glam was doing now? - Looking and disproving of hustle? I think yes.
The guys at Streamate seem to love (http://streamate.tumblr.com/post/53970133770/the-rules) the fact that their ladies are diversifying their sales with raffles. *shrug* Time are a-changing, and we have to keep up. I like having the option of diversifying my hustle. I don't have to, but it's there.
*blinks*
There certainly have been issues! And hell YES they've interfered with money! Thank christ my placement went back to front page when I did as Streamate DIDN'T say - and made Widescreen suck my wide seam (vagina). But I agree with both of you here. It's our job to persist with this, which is a huge thing I love about this forum - we can club together and help each other find solutions. Site owners DON'T always get it right, and new features can have wobbly starts which at first cause problems, but are intended to help, and may eventually pan out to work in the favor of everybody.
We still need to adapt!.. No matter what. And who knows what the future holds? Keeping on top of our adaptability will always be something we need to do. But we're all a team here, right? :) <3
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 01:25 AM
Can you read? I didn't complain about not making money. She gave her opinion to someone on here that didn't ask for it. She said it was them that was the issue, I brought up many other issues the site has been having. If someone is having a hard time, you DON"T need to be a bitch to them. It's not called for. Try having some some compassion for a fellow cam performer. God, some of you are cold hearted.
Well, considering she's earning good money and you're the one complaining about not making any ...
Billabong
06-30-2013, 01:58 AM
Damn this thread is scary. Not what I expected it to become lol
Snowy0Star
06-30-2013, 02:11 AM
Damn this thread is scary. Not what I expected it to become lol
yeah i know its totally de-railed but still in between the lines of the bickering theres good info i found them did u? lol
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 03:14 AM
Going to the length to comment on the fact that you're actively watching and actively disproving, isn't necessarily needed when you're already giving the same good advice, just not going as far as to say that you've done something that some ladies consider intrusive.
Aren't you doing just exactly what Glam was doing now? - Looking and disproving of hustle? I think yes.
Actually, that never happened though. I haven't lurked anyone in this thread in months.
I was just commenting on the fact that justanothercamgirl and I used to both be in chatzy like everyday together (before she left chatzy altogether or got banned from chatzy or something?), and she had posted her link before. Girls in chatzy often post their link if they are adjusting their feed/lighting/technical details, and ask other girls if their ___*insert_something_feed-related_here*___ is fine or not. That's what I meant by lurking. But that hasn't happened in awhile, and JAC has been MIA in chatzy for awhile.
I never commented on anyone's hustle. And I never actively watched or anything. But if a few people are not making money and a lot of others are, it might have something to do with attitude or hustle though.
Anyyyyyway, just wanted to clarify that so no one thinks I'm Captain Super Lurq or something. lol
Incantatious
06-30-2013, 03:20 AM
Ahh understood; my apologies. I wish I spent more time in Chatzy but I have noooo idea what goes on in there, lol!
loveshooks
06-30-2013, 03:21 AM
ok, wow, this a.m. I've received a ton of reports on this thread on my yahoo and in the mod's lounge
my first thought...I'd hope those who ARE doing well would have compassion for those who aren't and are striving to find other viable options.
My next thought is encompassed by the brilliant posts below:
- Change your rates (either raise them or lower them)
- Change what you look like (wig, outfits, etc because trends change)
- Change your attitude (this is a BIG one) and become nicer or more interactive
- Change your niche(s)
try a new hustle? change camming decorations? i am always having to tweak stuff to stay ahead of my game on there. when i find my money is starting to slump, i know it's time to change my game in some form or another.
^^^what they said.
I've been camming for about 5 years now (holy fuck I'm old) and knock on sand I haven't experienced a slump since 2011. While possibly that's luck I do at least partially attribute that to the tenets raised above. For me my business is regulars, and if I did the same thing every day I'd bore them (and myself) to tears. I change because I need to do so, I look at the matter like my job description demands it; because it does
Needing to re-evaluate isn't a negative or an indictment, it's an affirmation of personal agency. Yeah, it sucks to experience even temporary struggle but uncertainty is kinda built into the job description. What works today isn't guaranteed to work next month, next year, ad infinitum. Unlike a solidified-duty position this job is what we make of it, and when ish stops working, we need to change/alter/adjust aspects of our game (be it control group sites or control group strategies on the same site) one by one until ish starts to work again.
tl;dr: echoing GR and BGB, effective adjustments can't just be about sites, it's about our hustles as well.
The most important thing I learned in camming is how to 'embrace change'. I fucking hate change. I like doing what I know how to do and new ish scares me. It also excites me though, when I'm pushed into it. Ironically it's one of the things I love most about camming.
I guess I get the frustration in this thread, on both sides? I don't work sm, but from what I read here a lot of y'all have been having mad issues with tech adjustments and traffic quality
on the other side, sw is pretty depressing these days, and I can understand why many get frustrated with this sort of thread.
We're all on the same side though, right? Be it new sites or new game on the same site, we're all pushing through in this field together and I'd hope no matter where any of us stand respectively we can try to put ourselves in the other chica's shoes and empathize.
I think we all want this to be a forum where we both celebrate our accomplishments and support each other through the down times, and where we recognize neither experience negates the other.
to those who can relate to this thread: