View Full Version : Dr. Streamate or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Plan B
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 03:21 AM
Ahh understood; my apologies. I wish I spent more time in Chatzy but I have noooo idea what goes on in there, lol!
Its never too late ;)
justanothercamgirl
06-30-2013, 06:51 AM
I would give you some advice if I had any... :(
Only thing I can say is... don't write off cams.com and don't write off livejasmin until you try it out for yourself! I am shocked that I make about $500-600/mo off LJ and $1000-1200 on cams.com. Sooooo.... try them out, give it a good run, a couple months each at least, before you write them off. I haaaate trying out new sites because it really takes a good amount of time before you'll know if it's going to work for you or not. Trial and error.
This is GREAT advice. Thank you so much. It is something I needed to hear!
justanothercamgirl
06-30-2013, 06:54 AM
That being said, to the OP of the thread who is looking for new cam sites, I think you should just try every single one of them. Add more on as you start making new money, and end up splitting with like all of them. It will probably take 2-3 computers and webcams to do so though. But worth it!
Use a different name than your main stage name if you charge less on those sites or make a lower % or less money per minute on those sites. You could even go by the same name, but just pick some random phrase for your screen name. IMO its better if your screen name is different though, so customers don't google you and then find your cheapest site.
Thank you GlamourRouge! This is just the kind of advice that I have been hoping for.
justanothercamgirl
06-30-2013, 07:00 AM
ok, wow, this a.m. I've received a ton of reports on this thread on my yahoo and in the mod's lounge
You received tons of reports?
-- JAC hangs her head in shame --
GlamourRouge and I might not always see eye to eye, but I have talked to her in great length in Chatzy. Straight up she is both an amazing person and an amazing camgirl. The one thing we both have in common is our one track minds. LOL!
I can't speak for GR but I can tell you that there are no hard feelings on my side.
Edited to add: Sorry I am brain-dead this morning. I should really clarify. I have not been banned from Chatzy or do I have anything against the girls of Chatzy. In fact, I adore everyone in Chatzy. I just haven't been on Chazty as much lately then I used to be. Nothing more exciting than that.
Double edited to add: I am overjoyed that this thread has been helpful to other even though it completely got off track. Its main purpose was others opinions about the other websites they work on. Constructive criticism can only be constructive when the person is open to advice on that subject. If they are not.....then it really only is just criticism.
Triple edited to add: Even though I appreciate all the advice on how to adapt to change......it starts with the major assumption that I am having major problems with Streamate. No one ever once stopped to ask me if I was. Truth be told, I am making less money on Streamate for a completely different reason then lack or flaw of hustle. I am having both health and technical issues. All this advice makes the assumption that I am doing something wrong. Yes, I am. I am sick. That is what I am doing wrong. If you have any advice on that, I am more then open to hear it but any other advice on the subject to me personally is kind of irrelevant. This is not something I wanted to admit openly in Camming Connection. But, here we are. I seem to have gotten emotionally tangled in some sort of a web and have lost my famous ability of pure logic. Time for me to step back and reassess, I think.
Marina Starr
06-30-2013, 07:22 AM
Awesome! Are you a make up Artist! Your way of camming is similar to mine. I'm a Hair Doctor!
I'm probably one of the worst cam girls on here because I'm a very part-time cam girl. I work when I can because I freelance most of the time and most of my days. Like camming, freelance work is very much up and down. You never know when and if you'll be out of work or money.
I will never go on cam desperate for money, though. I only cam when I enjoy because I do enjoy it. I really do; I can't quit it. People know when you're there for the money, when you can't stand customers, or when you are desperate for shows. It's important that you log on in a good mood and ready for shows. The money comes quicker that way. I truly believe it.
I've seen so many of the top girls on SM scream at customers, throw things at the screen, and have nervous breakdowns on cam. o_O I don't know why they would think that would help them rake in the money. That's when it's time to log off and find something else to do to bring in the money. Mind you, these girls are also high off their asses on cam but SM still allows it....That's another story, another time...
Incantatious
06-30-2013, 07:33 AM
Triple edited to add: Even though I appreciate all the advice on how to adapt to change......it starts with the major assumption that I am having major problems with Streamate. No one ever once stopped to ask me if I was. Truth be told, I am making less money on Streamate for a completely different reason then lack or flaw of hustle. I am having both health and technical issues. All this advice makes the assumption that I am doing something wrong. Yes, I am. I am sick. That is what I am doing wrong. If you have any advice on that, I am more then open to hear it but any other advice on the subject to me personally is kind of irrelevant. This is not something I wanted to admit openly in Camming Connection. But, here we are. I seem to have gotten emotionally tangled in some sort of a web and have lost my famous ability of pure logic. Time for me to step back and reassess, I think.
Oh my god... JAC I am so, so, so sorry for my assumption about this in the post I made here earlier in response to Glam and Jane. I am an actual moron. :(
For what it's worth ~ where health issues + camming is concerned, I understand. It's one hell of a bastard camming alongside health issues. Apologies again.
justanothercamgirl
06-30-2013, 07:36 AM
Damn this thread is scary. Not what I expected it to become lol
You think your shocked and surprised. Imagine how I feel! LOL!
justanothercamgirl
06-30-2013, 07:46 AM
Oh my god... JAC I am so, so, so sorry for my assumption about this in the post I made here earlier in response to Glam and Jane. I am an actual moron. :(
For what it's worth ~ where health issues + camming is concerned, I understand. It's one hell of a bastard camming alongside health issues. Apologies again.
You are not a moron. The issue lies in me.
Straight up, I have been responding from a place of emotion and not logic. I have felt that I was being judged and attacked with all this 'advice' about my 'adapting'. I am ashamed that part of the reason that I need a Plan B is that I don't have the energy FOR camming right now. My massive burn-out has triggered my illness and because Streamate has been slower traffic wise lately (can we at least all agree on that fact) I need to find something that will take less energy so I can spend less time camming because my hustle depends on having more traffic.
Truth be told, I am hurting right now. I just needed some information on other options and was emotional unprepared to receive anything else.
I think I am going to take a small break from SW for a bit so I can reflect on how my actions have lead me to where it is that I ended up.
Incantatious
06-30-2013, 07:52 AM
You are not a moron. The issue lies in me.
Straight up, I have been responding from a place of emotion and not logic. I have felt that I was being judged and attacked with all this 'advice' about my 'adapting'. I am ashamed that part of the reason that I need a Plan B is that I don't have the energy FOR camming right now. My massive burn-out has triggered my illness and because Streamate has been slower traffic wise lately (can we at least all agree on that fact) I need to find something that will take less energy so I can spend less time camming because my hustle depends on having more traffic.
Truth be told, I am hurting right now. I just needed some information on other options and was emotional unprepared to receive anything else.
I think I am going to take a small break from SW for a bit so I can reflect on how my actions have lead me to where it is that I ended up.
You did absolutely nothing wrong dear JAC. Nothing wrong at all. A ton of people have thanked you for your OP here because its a subject that needs light shed and an opening to discuss it, and you did just that, for which so many of us are thankful.
For many of us on SM, we've done so well with it at some point that it became the only egg in our basket. When you're working for your money, you're going to naturally spend as much time as possible working the site that has given you the most in return, which makes it harder to branch out.
Whatever it is you may be suffering with, I hope dearly that you have the means of treatment for it and lots of help. <3 We are still here for you if ever you need us. Just know that you never need suffer in silence.
CourtneyRaine
06-30-2013, 09:54 AM
Wow... I thought this thread was a really good idea to discuss secondary ways to earn money Regardless of why a person may want/need to branch out from their main site. Instead it has become this sort of...
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... and I don't know why? There are a lot of other useful threads on how to improve your hustle and make more money in general. Can we get back to talking about eggs here?
For what it's worth I have a personal friend who is a cam girl and highly recommended that I try LJ. She says it's been really good for her as a site to split with and she is not sure why it gets a bad reputation. I never bothered looking into it because the delay in payment was a huge turn off but from what I have read on this forum, if you can hit the ground running and get lots of good ratings and favorites during your intro period you're likely to do really well. It also seems that the girls who do better on lj have lower rates but still net a good amount. It's been mentioned in this thread a few time so I just thought I'd throw in my friend's experience and suggestion to try it, and she does quite well on several popular sites.
There was also a thread a WHILE ago with German phrases... I think Ephemeron posted it? And she mentioned some Europe-based sites that are private chat only. I haven't tried them but registering on them was easy. That might also be a good option if your computer can't handle multiple free chat streams at once but you still want to leave a couple of private only sites running in the background.
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 12:22 PM
Then you don't read my postings on here very often. I post in a variety of threads on here not just about Streamate. I have already said I don't like Streamate anymore and I have started to work on another site and that I plan to stop camming on there. It probably is my attitude on there that is my downfall. Unlike so many of you, I have no problem stating I can be my own worst enemy. I'm not a negative person at all, only about that damn cam site. Last I checked venting isn't crying. Pretty damn sure these forums are for venting and sharing idea's.
Frankly the OP said she didn't want to talk about her camming skills and only wanted to stick to the subject of the thread. Once she said that people should have respected her wishes and not kept talking about her. I'm sorry but that is rude and bitchy. If someone doesn't ask for your opinion, then you don't need to share it.
LOL, you don't complain? Every post I read of yours is you crying about how awful Streamate and its customers are ... I hope you're not as negative on cam as you are on here. I agree with SarahTime, whenever my hourly is lower, it's USUALLY my attitude not the site/customers.
GR wasn't bitching at anyone, she was offering advice. The name-calling was kind of unnecessary ...
Charlotteslut
06-30-2013, 12:23 PM
If SM went down tomorrow, I would focus on C4S or indie camming as those are the only sites/methods I've used that have made me real money. I think if you can market it properly, indie can be the way to go. As for other adult-industry related plans (assuming they have to be adult) I think it would be super cool to do something like work for an adult toy store/designer or drop ship dildos or fetishware on ebay or something.
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 12:26 PM
I am so sorry. I hope that whatever health issues you are having get better. It's hard to be sick and try to cam at the same time. Hugs
You received tons of reports?
-- JAC hangs her head in shame --
GlamourRouge and I might not always see eye to eye, but I have talked to her in great length in Chatzy. Straight up she is both an amazing person and an amazing camgirl. The one thing we both have in common is our one track minds. LOL!
I can't speak for GR but I can tell you that there are no hard feelings on my side.
Edited to add: Sorry I am brain-dead this morning. I should really clarify. I have not been banned from Chatzy or do I have anything against the girls of Chatzy. In fact, I adore everyone in Chatzy. I just haven't been on Chazty as much lately then I used to be. Nothing more exciting than that.
Double edited to add: I am overjoyed that this thread has been helpful to other even though it completely got off track. Its main purpose was others opinions about the other websites they work on. Constructive criticism can only be constructive when the person is open to advice on that subject. If they are not.....then it really only is just criticism.
Triple edited to add: Even though I appreciate all the advice on how to adapt to change......it starts with the major assumption that I am having major problems with Streamate. No one ever once stopped to ask me if I was. Truth be told, I am making less money on Streamate for a completely different reason then lack or flaw of hustle. I am having both health and technical issues. All this advice makes the assumption that I am doing something wrong. Yes, I am. I am sick. That is what I am doing wrong. If you have any advice on that, I am more then open to hear it but any other advice on the subject to me personally is kind of irrelevant. This is not something I wanted to admit openly in Camming Connection. But, here we are. I seem to have gotten emotionally tangled in some sort of a web and have lost my famous ability of pure logic. Time for me to step back and reassess, I think.
temptingmodel
06-30-2013, 04:22 PM
[QUOTE=loveshooks;2507513
on the other side, sw is pretty depressing these days
We're all on the same side though, right? Be it new sites or new game on the same site, we're all pushing through in this field together and I'd hope no matter where any of us stand respectively we can try to put ourselves in the other chica's shoes and empathize.
I think we all want this to be a forum where we both celebrate our accomplishments and support each other through the down times, and where we recognize neither experience negates the other.
to those who can relate to this thread: [/QUOTE]
DING DING DING Hit the nail on the head with this.
"sw is pretty depressing these days" I read quick and GTFO bc it will mess with my head and then my money.
YES WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER , TY for stating this
CariDee
06-30-2013, 04:50 PM
Frankly the OP said she didn't want to talk about her camming skills and only wanted to stick to the subject of the thread. Once she said that people should have respected her wishes and not kept talking about her. I'm sorry but that is rude and bitchy. If someone doesn't ask for your opinion, then you don't need to share it.
Completely agree with this post. I personally feel that things have gone too far and taken out of context far too much in this thread. I totally get why the need for the original post by JAC. I rarely feel a sense of " need more eggs in my basket cause this doesnt work any longer" . How Streamate has been in the past week or two , I totally get it.
The people needing a helping hand cant all be sour pusses " that just sit , stare and lash out at customers". I was one of the people voicing my concerns. I dont feel part of a minority. There were quite a few saying there's an issue . There were also quite a few saying they arent having problems. We are all in this - bit more compassion wouldnt hurt!
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 04:56 PM
Ok
First of all, yea.. what debate? Clearly, anyone with logic can tell streamate is NOT the site it was, even last year.
As a Streamate veteran, I have been there full time for three years, this year will be the fourth. I can go back to my earnings from even 2011 and see it was nearly double for the same time put in/ same hours, etc. SO, as much as these other girls have seemingly observed that "girls are doing fine"..we must really look at it from another view.
Let's review:
Gold show came out, was a hit, but not regulated like it should have been. It should never have been less than one dollar PER minute. Year and a half later, you have girls doing dollar for 10 minutes or longer..I've even seen 1.00 for 60 minutes... giving videos along with that, and or stuff they shouldn't be doing at all (ahem). Most girls that do this retort with " it isn't the amount you charge, its the end goal. "
NOT TRUE - maybe it works short term, but long term it DOES NOT.. the fault in that is this cheap show theory ends up like MFC where your value is determined on how far you are willing to go, for virtually nothing. You get more freeloaders, you get more begging, and you devalue the overall worth of girls WHO ARE MASTURBATING LIVE for the customers. That should have NEVER been worth less than a dollar a minute, IMHO.
However, it is what it is and anyone trying now to get privates or do gold shows over 3.00 sees it first hand.. its slow!!! I see so many girls barely get past say 50.00 or even the ones who used to sell easily take an hour, or even longer just to break 200.00.. Is it too late to fix this? Probably.
To that comment about girls with regulars still doing well.. maybe they are doing ok but if you read twitter at all, they are still complaining. However, they also are the desperate ones who started on the dollar show thing, so they should blame themselves.
Another thing about that is that two studios have deals with affiliates to drive THOSE girls traffic, and non studio gals if they seem popular get that same deal by the affiliates. Streamate itself does not drive traffic, however there are deals with certain high traffic affiliates to push certain studios and certain girls they believe will "sell".
So the vast majority of girls on that site are not the few whom everyone seems to be focused on "doing well".
You also need to remove your view of those few who do extreme. Baseball bats, cans of soda, bedposts, many other things of that nature; while it barely skirts (and would likely break) the obscenity laws in virtually every US state, is popular among those guys who like to see girls punish their bodies. More power to those girls, if they like to do that, and I'd hope they aren't doing it just for the money.. but either way...remove those few and you have the vast majority left.
Add to that the TV. When it came out, they reduced buying traffic and put that money into the TV project. Dating site traffic is free. Ie, that's why you see it. TV also has caused too many technical issues to even name. I have lost ALL my original BIG spenders since TV started. Yea, I have new ones, but only a few 5's and 4's, a bunch of 3's and 2's. I used to have over 30, 5's. The bulk jumped ship when gold shows started because they were always waiting for me to be out of trying or doing a gold show, and the ones who hung on left when the technical errors took over.
Now, that is a huge mistake because those guys would spend hundreds a week on us girls, now you have replaced all those guys with ones who complain when a gold show is more than 3.00 and there aren't 15 videos to go along with it.
My STREAMATE Plan B is to reduce golds and finally eliminate them, leaving time per shift to rebuild those high spending regulars who want privates, have the money for them, and like the personal 1 on 1 interaction golds can't give. It is working, it is also tough to hang in there while the conversion process is taking so long to do. However, I learned my lesson and am trying to fix it. The only flaw in my plan B is that I might be a day late and dollar short.. literally.. so I also have a Plan B to add back in other sites, just in case Streamate folds, or the paying customer base cannot be revived.
NOW you have a better view of whats going on and why JAC's Plan B is legit as heck.. to me anyway.
So, back to Plan B. YES IT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO PAY THEIR BILLS LONG TERM.
I personally am splitting time with MFC, and occaisionally Chaturbate. And, trust me, the Streamate customers do not want a bunch of foreign English as a second language girls, I've polled my regulars and the conscensus is, when the good Americans go, they go.
:)
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:05 PM
You did absolutely nothing wrong dear JAC. Nothing wrong at all. A ton of people have thanked you for your OP here because its a subject that needs light shed and an opening to discuss it, and you did just that, for which so many of us are thankful.
For many of us on SM, we've done so well with it at some point that it became the only egg in our basket. When you're working for your money, you're going to naturally spend as much time as possible working the site that has given you the most in return, which makes it harder to branch out.
Whatever it is you may be suffering with, I hope dearly that you have the means of treatment for it and lots of help. <3 We are still here for you if ever you need us. Just know that you never need suffer in silence.
YES this is true. I find it hard to mentally leave SM because it has been good .. till now. But it is true, branching out is not only the smart thing to do, but necessary.
And OP, JAC, hope you feel better/ get well soon. Camming is hard even when you feel slightly tired, I can't imagine how hard it is for you right now.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:07 PM
Another thought on Mod's and GR note to change and hustle. .. Good points. Although, doesn't this really only work with regulars? I think sometimes if you do mostly privates this is true but not so much for gold shows (which are usually 75% new guys)
Would you have any advice to share on how to change your hustle/game without having to resort to extreme cam? IE, No way i hell a baseball bat is going up my ass for getting new customers LOL
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 05:21 PM
Would you have any advice to share on how to change your hustle/game without having to resort to extreme cam? IE, No way i hell a baseball bat is going up my ass for getting new customers LOL
Find your niche. Cater to the clients you want to have.
The reason why people are freaking the fuck out is because many girls on Streamate are MFC-style now. But if you don't cater to that type of client (vanilla guys, young guys, freeloaders, superdomme men) then this doesn't affect you... AT ALL, as a performer. But if that was your niche, you obviously either need to jump on the train or find a new niche if you're no longer making money. I DO think gold shows made vanilla guys cheap, but Streamate isn't MFC. Streamate has a small amount of vanilla guys compared to any other site.
I still don't understand why people are freaking out over what other girls do. If anything, that's good they aren't offering what you offer, right? Do you really want 5,000 girls doing EXACTLY what YOU do? They are offering something else instead (i.e. baseball bat, MFC-style raffles, etc). While its probably a good idea to watch other models here & there to see what they are going (to give you ideas and look for trends), there's no point in caring about what they do unless they are doing the same exact thing as you and look/act exactly like you.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:22 PM
How long have you been camming? It doesn't sound like very long to me. You seem to want to KICK the performers that are already feeling down from not doing well. That is NOT cool and frankly shows you have issues. If you are referring to the girls that do dollar shows for 12 minutes, sell video's and break every fucking site rule, then yeah they are doing well. I noticed some of these performers doing well have been suspended for breaking rules and they are back at breaking them again. I personally don't really do Gold shows because of the bullshit that performers are offering for shows. They have turned the site into MFC and if I wanted to cam on MFC I would. Last I checked I am on STREAMATE. So stop with your fucking raffles, bake sales and other bullshit or go to MFC. They don't want to comment on here because many are the reason the site is declining. Good God people have some fucking standards.
Your customer comment was laughable. You can't build up regulars with idiots that are on the site for dates and escorts. The traffic is full of assclowns, if you like cheap fuckers kudos to you. Feel free to convert them to your regulars.
Tech issues are deal breakers and they can hinder money. When you are disconnected from the site, the video lags, customers are kicked from the room, etc that is a money loser. Streamate already said it's their fault because their servers have issues. I'm pretty sure we provide our own bandwidth for every single cam site and many offer more than 35 percent. The biggest bitch I hear is customer support is rude to customers. Read any review site on Streamate and lots of customers have said they left the site after customer support treated them like shit. Wide screen has also caused many issues as well. Like I said it could be a performer issue, but you can't ignore the other factors either. They do exist.
Sometimes I read these comments and wonder what the fuck is wrong with some of these cam performers. It's hard to have cammed so long and remember when cam performers could do a show without flashing pussy or sitting topless in free chat. You relied on your personality and charm. It's a shame new performers will never experience that.
Ok I have to agree with Jane on this one. Yes those same performers with the exception of the extreme toys ones, are def breaking rules (a lot) .. you should ask them to tell you the truth: Selling phone numbers, panties, dresses, offsite chat time, etcetera. It has been noted and only dealt with by one person at Streamate, who gets crap for enforcing the rules. I feel bad for him. Those certain girls know that since they are breaking rules to make money YET Streamate makes 2/3 of that money, Streamate is not going to rock the boat. However, the lesser popular girls get banned all the time. Inequality in the workplace is not good and plenty of girls deserved to be upset by this.
I do also think that maybe GR you do ok because you have a specific niche, dom always does well, and not everyone can be a dom. You are very lucky ;) Every time I have tried that route, I end up feeling bad or lauging LOL
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by GlamourRouge:
I do not do gold shows ever, unless I am working with multiple girls at the same time only to drive traffic for exclusives and privates for after, which brings in more money for us.
Majority of the other girls who I was referring to also never do gold shows, or very rarely.
Originally Posted by JaneBurgess
Last I checked I am on STREAMATE. So stop with your fucking raffles, bake sales and other bullshit or go to MFC. They don't want to comment on here because many are the reason the site is declining. Good God people have some fucking standards.
GlamourRouge:
Lol wut. I never mentioned anything except Streamate. I'm on Streamate. Not on MFC, and I do not do raffles or any of that. Neither do the girls I was referring to. They are girls on Streamate who are usually in row 1 or 2, in classic chat only.
-- Ok I am a little lost on this one GR
I am also always on the first three rows.. so I am always watching where I am at different times I log in. I hardly see anyone doing classic chat.. save one of my gal pals.. so I dunno who these top 12 gals would be that do "not do gold shows".. because the top model on SM right now (earnings wise ) ONLY EVER does gold shows. The second does in fact only do privates, but the third and onward do majority gold shows and then rarely a private just to get their ratings back up.
I find your observation interesting.. so now I am gonna have to watch LOL
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:37 PM
Find your niche. Cater to the clients you want to have.
The reason why people are freaking the fuck out is because many girls on Streamate are MFC-style now. But if you don't cater to that type of client (vanilla guys, young guys, freeloaders, superdomme men) then this doesn't affect you... AT ALL, as a performer. But if that was your niche, you obviously either need to jump on the train or find a new niche if you're no longer making money. I DO think gold shows made vanilla guys cheap, but Streamate isn't MFC. Streamate has a small amount of vanilla guys compared to any other site.
I still don't understand why people are freaking out over what other girls do. If anything, that's good they aren't offering what you offer, right? Do you really want 5,000 girls doing EXACTLY what YOU do? They are offering something else instead (i.e. baseball bat, MFC-style raffles, etc). While its probably a good idea to watch other models here & there to see what they are going (to give you ideas and look for trends), there's no point in caring about what they do unless they are doing the same exact thing as you and look/act exactly like you.
Ok I agree with you, but you did not answer the question I actually asked Loveshooks anyway heheheh.. Variety is great. Yep. however you cannot look at your relatively small niche and tell everyone else that theirs is too vanilla. I would say the dom and huge toy girls are the rarest on the site, and def deserve what they make,. but not everyone is willing to prolapse their ass, or to try to be a (bad) dom.
But sadly it DOES affect many, because the majority of guys are what you mentioned. Sadly.
That being said, still, constructive advice on how to improve a hustle and what game changers are viable, remains.
MissSassyPickles
06-30-2013, 05:40 PM
You don't have to be dominant to do fetish or to have a niche.
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 05:45 PM
you should ask them to tell you the truth: Selling phone numbers, panties, dresses, offsite chat time, etcetera.
A lot of that is actually allowed though. Or at least not disallowed. With the exception of offsite chatting (i.e. skype shows)- but that's impossible to prevent if the guy googles you and tweets you or finds your email.
I do also think that maybe GR you do ok because you have a specific niche, dom always does well, and not everyone can be a dom. You are very lucky ;) Every time I have tried that route, I end up feeling bad or lauging LOL
Lol that's what I'm saying though. But its not just for dommes. That logic applies to fetish girls, girls who play up certain features (i.e. hairy, ginger, big boobs, big butt, etc etc), and even subs! MissSassyPickles and sammii are subs, for example, and they do pretty well because they know how to play it up... rather than looking at the screen bored or yelling.
You need a new niche now if your niche was just plain old vanilla before, or you need to do the whole goldshows-raffles-content thing. Those vanilla guys like the whole girl-next-door thing, and things like selling your phone number really caters to that type of customer. That's why the MFC hustle is working so well on Streamate now- but ONLY for that type of customer, which is a small fraction of the customer base on Streamate (and mostly the whole customer base on MFC). However, if that's not your customer base, then it won't affect you.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:47 PM
Yes, I know. So what's your niche?
I would pick smartass as mine. LOL
Niches common to the adult industry
BDSM (includes dom/sub, fetishes as in clips 4 sale type stuff)
BBW
Hairy
Milf
Mature
Blonde
Fake Tits
Big Tits
Small Tits
Shaved
Pregnant
Lactating
College Girl
ON AND ON...
Yet, I can promise you, there are only certain niches worth doing, as there will be so few customers on streamate for them, it won't be worht sitting there waiting for them :)
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 05:47 PM
Yes, I know. So what's your niche?
Anything can be one. You just have to know your niche well.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:52 PM
OH LORD!! None of that is allowed!! Email Streamate and ask hahah!
6. Do Not Solicit Personal Contact With Customers
While in chat, it is inappropriate to solicit for escort, prostitution, or personal contact with customers.
That includes exchanging emails, addresses, online chat IDs (Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, etc.). Accounts found
to be participating in this type of activity will be terminated and payments will be withheld.
And finally, ok so what you are saying is if someone does not want to go with a niche, specifically dom/sub as your exerienced only in, then the site is MFC now .. yea I would def agree with that. :)
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:56 PM
You cannot sell a phone number, or send items. Including panties, baked goods, raffle prizes, any of that. It goes against rule 6. Trust me, I have asked even the site owner. NO GO
Googling your email and twitter? Yea, you can tell them to do that. But what the rule breakers are making money off of is the latter, phone numbers, skype/other chat time as a prize, panty raffle.. etc.
But anyway that is not the focus here, it IS plan B and also changing it up, which is what the OP is about..
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 05:59 PM
One last thought.. Success is variable and personal. One person might think 500 a week is freakin awesome, another might cringe at anything less than 3k.
I think that same logic applies to whom anyone might think is the top 12 on SM versus the reality (which we will never really know because they will either lie LOL or not say because they don't want customers to stop spending, or the fact that the row sort has some to do with $ but also internet quality, ratings, studio, etc)..
AliceFun
06-30-2013, 06:03 PM
"And, trust me, the Streamate customers do not want a bunch of foreign English as a second language girls, I've polled my regulars and the conscensus is, when the good Americans go, they go." - I wonder who u are CamVeteran, i think u have here a new account but are a veteran on SW as well, i agree ur points of view especially what i quoted u above cause it refers to my case: if it's difficult for 'westerners' to make money lately on SM imagine how is for 'easterners' (non native english speakers like myself).
JAC, i wish u all the best, i am very sorry u not feeling well. my 2 cents regarding sites, u may want to try Ifriends and ImLive, see how they work for you, on Ifriends u can work paid chat only and on Imlive u need to start with freechat for 120 hrs or so then can do paid only. From these two i recommend Ifriends, not sure how traffic is for a new girl there but u can benefit atleast for being new. As a native english speaker and good looking hot woman u should do good there. Good luck!
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Oh gawd I can imagine arghhh!! one good thing though, maybe it costs less for you to live out of USA? Dang USA takes all we make. Poverty is about 40 thousand LOL -- well kinda!
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 06:10 PM
TO ALICEFun
PS That "english as a second language" point came out kinda rude, personally I think its adorable.. but yea, the USA/ UK customers unfortunately don't. Have you tried LiveJasmin? That site is mostly europeans.. so is AdultWork.. Seems non americans do better than americans on those.
And thanks for agreeing with my many (maybe too many) points.
AliceFun
06-30-2013, 06:12 PM
^^^ I think it evens out somehow, i know i dont bank but dont pay taxes either so... tho i admit i want/ need more money ;-)
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 06:14 PM
^^^ I think it evens out somehow, i know i dont bank but dont pay taxes either so... tho i admit i want/ need more money ;-)
Yea I know what you mean. In USA the government gets so much of our money. In reality I try to make a minimum but no more than a maximum amount of money because I end up just having to either spend it all on crap as writeoffs, or give it to the government anyway.. More isn't ALWAYS better.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 06:25 PM
LOL ok well I can promise you MANY of the "top girls" don't average that lately.. But like I said, either its true or a lie, depends as there seems to be a lack of anyone wanting to show proof.
Also, the time of day you work has TON to do with it. I know for a fact daytime gals always make less than nights. So to the daytime girls if they are averaging say 50/hr thats great.
I think that your post is a bit discriminatory though TBH.. You just defeated the point that everyone is different and has different goals. I'd love to see a screen cap of your hours worked vs income made heheheh.. Ie, two hours worked = 200 dollars but alas, nobody ever wants to do that :)
MissSassyPickles
06-30-2013, 06:35 PM
I posted a screenshot of my earnings this morning in the camming rocks thread you can go see for yourself, not that it's even any of your business but you seem for some reason thinking it's not the truth? If anything it is in OUR best interest for everyone else to keep thinking SM sucks so that models will leave and there will be a higher concentration of customers for the rest.
Instead there are girls here literally trying to help people improve.. their own competition, which goes completely against what they *should* be doing. There is literally no good reason for it lol.
So if you want to keep thinking SM sucks go ahead, but it's not the site itself. I would not have been doing as well as I have if it wasn't for the other girls on SW including GR and others who really helped me to figure out what worked for ME. I've watched GR and others, I've tried to imitate that style before and it didn't work. I found what worked for ME and I am continuing to do so.
That is what she is saying, that is what all of those who are defending the site are saying. All the girls that have helped me don't do goldshows, don't give away videos, any of that shit. I see it firsthand.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 06:50 PM
Hahah good! Yes that is also true lol! Go get it girl!
I also agree golds are not the way to make the most money. I also said that in my OP, that the deterring back away from golds is helping me as well (wish I never even got sucked into them to be honest) and yea, I think I try to be "too many things to too many people".. would do good to find a niche I can stick with once and for all.
I agree though, it IS what works for YOU.. and that is what I was asking before this got side tracked... there should be an improve your camming hustle thread as well as the stripper one.
I do still stand by my comment saying it isn't cool to say 100 an hour or you stink essentially, because everyone IS different. Some may not be 22 years old, some may not be fetishy, some might be ill at the moment, you get what I am saying. It just makes people feel inferior if they do not live up to what YOU think is successful. you know?
I might be new to this forum, but am in no way new to the industry at all.. I also owned a studio once :)
SarahTime
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
because the top model on SM right now (earnings wise ) ONLY EVER does gold shows. The second does in fact only do privates, but the third and onward do majority gold shows and then rarely a private just to get their ratings back up.
How do we know who the top 1, 2, 3 models are? I mean aside from one model who posted a screen shot of her earnings and claimed that Shawn told her she was the top earner for that specific WEEK...... we have no way of knowing exactly who is making what..... it's all assumptions and guesses.
I have plenty of friends who are not in the top 3 rows who silently bank as models in the top 3 rows complain..... so?
Placement does not always equal the top earner. I mean shit, if you log into a members account I'm the 1st model that shows up (no I'm not in my own favorites) and I can tell you, I'm NOT the top earner! LOL
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
You do know selling any personal contact info violates Streamate rules? You can't sell personal info or give it out, you can't sell clothing, dvd's, baked goods, Skype shows, etc. They recently came out and said they will suspend every single performer that breaks the rules.
A lot of that is actually allowed though. Or at least not disallowed. With the exception of offsite chatting (i.e. skype shows)- but that's impossible to prevent if the guy googles you and tweets you or finds your email.
Lol that's what I'm saying though. But its not just for dommes. That logic applies to fetish girls, girls who play up certain features (i.e. hairy, ginger, big boobs, big butt, etc etc), and even subs! MissSassyPickles and sammii are subs, for example, and they do pretty well because they know how to play it up... rather than looking at the screen bored or yelling.
You need a new niche now if your niche was just plain old vanilla before, or you need to do the whole goldshows-raffles-content thing. Those vanilla guys like the whole girl-next-door thing, and things like selling your phone number really caters to that type of customer. That's why the MFC hustle is working so well on Streamate now- but ONLY for that type of customer, which is a small fraction of the customer base on Streamate (and mostly the whole customer base on MFC). However, if that's not your customer base, then it won't affect you.
SarahTime
06-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Also, you might be part of a niche and not even realize it.
I used to be actually pretty damn self conscious about my huge ass.... until I started to play it up and REALLY started making serious money off this "niche"! There are more "niches" than dom, huge toys, etc......
Find your "niche" whatever it may be, and PLAY IT UP.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 07:00 PM
How do we know who the top 1, 2, 3 models are? I mean aside from one model who posted a screen shot of her earnings and claimed that Shawn told her she was the top earner for that specific WEEK...... we have no way of knowing exactly who is making what..... it's all assumptions and guesses.
I have plenty of friends who are not in the top 3 rows who silently bank as models in the top 3 rows complain..... so?
Placement does not always equal the top earner. I mean shit, if you log into a members account I'm the 1st model that shows up (no I'm not in my own favorites) and I can tell you, I'm NOT the top earner! LOL
Thank you Sarah for getting what I was saying and not being defensive about it LOL..
Yea I know whom you speak of.. and she did bust ass and she does do an extreme niche. So.. the rest of everyone else? What if they are just plain ole pretty, no big bush or no tats or no big ass.. thats the point.. what hussles can "average bodied girls" do. We need an idea thread.
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
I know who the top earner is and she is always the top earner and has been for years. She isn't American or Canadian. A lot of these performers will say Shawn told then they are the top earners, but he laughs at that when I ask him. Shawn has always maintained who the top performer is and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I was recruited to Streamate like a few of the other performers were and I also run a physical studio cam studio. Some of you mentioned wanting a Plan B, looking into running a studio. Use your cam experience to train other performers.
How do we know who the top 1, 2, 3 models are? I mean aside from one model who posted a screen shot of her earnings and claimed that Shawn told her she was the top earner for that specific WEEK...... we have no way of knowing exactly who is making what..... it's all assumptions and guesses.
I have plenty of friends who are not in the top 3 rows who silently bank as models in the top 3 rows complain..... so?
Placement does not always equal the top earner. I mean shit, if you log into a members account I'm the 1st model that shows up (no I'm not in my own favorites) and I can tell you, I'm NOT the top earner! LOL
Marina Starr
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Everything in the bolded is still a niche in the world of camming! There's a lid for every pot!
Thank you Sarah for getting what I was saying and not being defensive about it LOL..
Yea I know whom you speak of.. and she did bust ass and she does do an extreme niche. So.. the rest of everyone else? What if they are just plain ole pretty, no big bush or no tats or no big ass.. thats the point.. what hussles can "average bodied girls" do. We need an idea thread.
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 07:05 PM
Yea I know what you mean. In USA the government gets so much of our money. In reality I try to make a minimum but no more than a maximum amount of money because I end up just having to either spend it all on crap as writeoffs, or give it to the government anyway.. More isn't ALWAYS better.
Actually, that myth has been debunked. More IS always better (unless you mean qualifying for pubic/government assistance) because each tax bracket is weighted differently, and its tiered. You can read more here:
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
I always find it interesting that performers claim on here how well they do, but they won't say their camming name. If you are so wonderful you should have no issue saying who you are and letting people check you out when you are online.
LOL ok well I can promise you MANY of the "top girls" don't average that lately.. But like I said, either its true or a lie, depends as there seems to be a lack of anyone wanting to show proof.
Also, the time of day you work has TON to do with it. I know for a fact daytime gals always make less than nights. So to the daytime girls if they are averaging say 50/hr thats great.
I think that your post is a bit discriminatory though TBH.. You just defeated the point that everyone is different and has different goals. I'd love to see a scre
en cap of your hours worked vs income made heheheh.. Ie, two hours worked = 200 dollars but alas, nobody ever wants to do that :)
GlamourRouge
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
You do know selling any personal contact info violates Streamate rules? You can't sell personal info or give it out, you can't sell clothing, dvd's, baked goods, Skype shows, etc. They recently came out and said they will suspend every single performer that breaks the rules.
Girls sell videos and download links all the time, and someone got it OK'd from Streamate and I believe they may have even posted the screenshot. Though this was probably posted in Verified.
But anyway, I don't have to worry personally, because I've never done that and never plan to. It doesn't make me money with my customer base anyway, even if I wanted it to. I don't know why people are caring so hard about what other people do.
Marina Starr
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
You are a mess, Jane! LOL
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/IdOlFaNaTiC89/GIF%20folder/blaineicant.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/IdOlFaNaTiC89/media/GIF%20folder/blaineicant.gif.html)
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad196/hotlikehell/GIF/beyoncelaugh.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/hotlikehell/media/GIF/beyoncelaugh.gif.html)
I always find it interesting that performers claim on here how well they do, but they won't say their camming name. If you are so wonderful you should have no issue saying who you are and letting people check you out when you are online.
JaneBurgess
06-30-2013, 07:12 PM
Why would they troll your room for posting your cam name on here?
Yeah, so other cam girls can troll my room? If a well-known user on here PM's me and asks me for my cam-name, I will gladly give it to them ... as long as they are not the type to create drama.
CamVeteran
06-30-2013, 07:13 PM
LMAO JANE! yea.. because like I said, one persons success is anothers failure. Like Gingerstripper " Re: The General Purpose "Camming ROCKS Right Now" Thread!
My goal was 50 bucks today. I made 150!!! and 14 dollars away from my 2 week goal!!!!!!!
this is my biggest pay period!!! "
She sounds extremely happy to me, and she should be because it is success for HER.
Not only that, but screenshots tell only a partial story. You can be online all day long, and show only 3 hours paid chat /income because it only counts PAID minutes there not actual logged in time. That screen is the TimeOnLine thing %.
LOL MARINA!! maybe you are right there.. Hmmmmm.... However, lets be honest, some niches are definitely low sellers, and some top. So .. Im gonna make a new thread on that.
Thanks for the link GlamourRouge I will look into that.
SweetPinkCupcake
06-30-2013, 07:14 PM
Jane, what is your beef with girls that do well? You seriously think they are lying? I was with one of the girls last night who posted her screenshot earnings..she wasn't lying about it. With people like you on this forum, I can totally see why a girl wouldn't want to give out her cam name. :)