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temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 09:25 AM
shit, I can tell you its not Sarah.

Sarah and I are two different ppl in a whole spectrum, our color charts are way off. We share PMs and I dont worry about Sarah telling anyone anything I have ever told her.
And for some reason I've been asked 3 times now if that person was me!!!

Seriously? Wow. Why anyone would think I am that type of person is beyond me and a tad hurtful. I completely respect ALL camgirls and would never do such a thing, so I'm not sure why I'm being asked in PMs if it was me. :(

I agree it's completely fucked up.

Jane, I would appreciate you telling everyone that it was not me who was low enough to out fellow performers.

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 09:26 AM
lol carmen and I are giving thanks at the same time

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 09:46 AM
Ooooh, on a more cheerful note, thanks for my 1000th thanks! I don't know who it was, but I'll bake you a cookie;D

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 09:51 AM
its a tie between carmen and i ;)
Ooooh, on a more cheerful note, thanks for my 1000th thanks! I don't know who it was, but I'll bake you a cookie;D

CourtneyRaine
07-01-2013, 09:52 AM
Oh, this thread. This thread was SUCH a good idea. Sadly, I can't read half of it because it is SO demotivating :( I know there are good posts in here about different sites and other things to generate multiple streams of income. But then... I don't know what happened. I almost forgot the program I use to get paid signing people up for monetized trial offers. The link's in my sig if anyone cares. I basically do not advertise it At All anymore other than my signature here and I still get $20 in my paypal once or twice a month for doing absolutely nothing. I'm in a fb group where people earn a LOT (several hundred a week) just advertising the site but I'm focusing on my writing now so I don't . When I was giving it an honest effort it was very easy to spread my link online while I was in free chat.

To all the rest of this thread, I can't.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1010013_554529897927005_1052152096_n.jpg

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 09:56 AM
Oh, this thread. This thread was SUCH a good idea. Sadly, I can't read half of it because it is SO demotivating :( I know there are good posts in here about different sites and other things to generate multiple streams of income. But then... I don't know what happened. I almost forgot the program I use to get paid signing people up for monetized trial offers. The link's in my sig if anyone cares. I basically do not advertise it At All anymore other than my signature here and I still get $20 in my paypal once or twice a month for doing absolutely nothing. I'm in a fb group where people earn a LOT (several hundred a week) just advertising the site but I'm focusing on my writing now so I don't . When I was giving it an honest effort it was very easy to spread my link online while I was in free chat.

To all the rest of this thread, I can't.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1010013_554529897927005_1052152096_n.jpg please keep it until I can bookmark it. This is a great idea.

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 09:58 AM
You get a super cool ring and candy


I forgot to ask, what happens when you reach that "top model" status that you speak of? Do you win a prize? Gain access to a secret area on the site? LOL. This is all new to me!

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 10:01 AM
Why would anyone think Sarah told me? The person who told me didn't even post in this thread. Do you really think it's hard to find out? I dont plan to tell anyone who you are and I dont troll other cam performers so your identity is safe. I may not agree with your postings but that doesn't mean I would out you.

Marina Starr
07-01-2013, 10:04 AM
I think there will always be threads that are not ideally positive but it's only true if you allowed them into your spirit. Words only have as much power as you give them.

One thread says I can't possibly make money because I'm "overweight", now I'm reading here that nobody wants me, because I'm not native English speaker.

Incantatious
07-01-2013, 10:07 AM
Anyone else think this thread should be locked?

I tried to get it back on track myself, but it seems that that idea is wholly unpopular, which is a real shame. There are like 4 different threads-worth of topics / drama being discussed at this point.

I can't help but see this as pretty disrespectful towards JAC, being as all of this drama is going on in a thread that she intended to be used for a very positive, very valuable purpose which seems to have been forgotten in favor of turning this into a kind of dumping ground for drama and topics that should have their own threads. Or am I just old-fashioned? :P

Marina Starr
07-01-2013, 10:09 AM
I cosign this message! I hope loveshook locks it!

Anyone else think this thread should be locked?

I tried to get it back on track myself, but it seems that that idea is wholly unpopular, which is a real shame. There are like 4 different threads-worth of topics / drama being discussed at this point.

I can't help but see this as pretty disrespectful towards JAC, being as all of this drama is going on in a thread that she intended to be used for a very positive purpose which seems to have been forgotten...

Billabong
07-01-2013, 10:16 AM
Anyone else think this thread should be locked?

I tried to get it back on track myself, but it seems that that idea is wholly unpopular, which is a real shame. There are like 4 different threads-worth of topics / drama being discussed at this point.

I can't help but see this as pretty disrespectful towards JAC, being as all of this drama is going on in a thread that she intended to be used for a very positive, very valuable purpose which seems to have been forgotten in favor of turning this into a kind of dumping ground for drama and topics that should have their own threads. Or am I just old-fashioned? :P

I was thinking the same. All of the drama and fighting amongst SW sisters lately makes me feel so uncomfortable, including this thread. JAC really tried her hardest to make this a positive thread but the negative forces were too great to be swayed back on track.

JAC- maybe you or someone can try again in a fresh and this time not mention SM or any site being slow for you, only that you want to list options for other sources of income for cam girls? That way no one has anything to derail?

CourtneyRaine
07-01-2013, 10:16 AM
please keep it until I can bookmark it. This is a great idea.

I will! If you look into it PM me and I can send you links to the facebook group where people post screen shots of their earnings and methods for converting sign-ups and stuff. The site is Awesome because they give you everything for free- your own affiliate website with back office, banners, a list of sites you can post your website link on, and tons of copy so you don't even have to write your own ads- it's literally copy and paste which I have easily done posting ads on cl when it's slow on naked. I never spent a cent. You do have to sign up for a trial yourself so you need a cc which scares some people away. I used my payoneer card and was never charged (I made sure to sign up for a free trial and canceled it within the 30 days before they started auto-billing, not rocket science and again I was Never charged a cent). Without doing anything I get 7-10 people sign up under me per week. You don't get paid until they complete their free trial which happens for me only 1-2x/month. It's a numbers game really. And thanks for reminding me of this, because now I'm going to go post my link on job forums and see if I can scrounge up a cool hundred or so this week extra. I guess this thread has been good to me after all :P

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 10:17 AM
I think there will always be threads that are not ideally positive but it's only true if you allowed them into your spirit. Words only have as much power as you give them.

True, and I consider myself a pretty strong person. But it hurts to hear things like these, I'm sure you know too well what I'm talking about.:grouphug:... when you get judged and automatically dismissed, just because you are different from someone; when people try to make you believe that you're less than them, for reasons you can't do anything about. Hell yeah, I'm fat, hell yeah, I'm from EE, and hell yeah, I'm working with what I've got, and I'm making the most out of it!

http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww195/RattieGirl_photos/gif-6.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/RattieGirl_photos/media/gif-6.gif.html)

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 10:19 AM
I vote yes for locking the thread! There is too much going on here, and JAC's great idea is falling to pieces. (yes, I did contribute to it falling apart, but it was already too late at that point...)

CourtneyRaine
07-01-2013, 10:24 AM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked already, to be honest. I keep trying my damnedest to bring up relevant ideas for more eggs to add to your basket but the drama just kind of floods over the relevant posts and makes them lost, I guess. If this thread is locked there is also the the thread for what to do when you're having a slow day on cam, but I think that one is more for non-adult quick pocket change and this was intended to give feedback on lesser-used sites.

Sometimes I think CC should have an "Official Drama Thread" lmao can you imagine? This way when rude and irrelevant posts pop up to derail the intention of a thread they posted in they can be moved over to the drama thread. People can duke it out over there and good information will be front and center without having to read through the silliness.

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 10:29 AM
Sometimes I think CC should have an "Official Drama Thread" lmao can you imagine? This way when rude and irrelevant posts pop up to derail the intention of a thread they posted in they can be moved over to the drama thread. People can duke it out over there and good information will be front and center without having to read through the silliness.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad37/thebloodofkonstantin/reaction%20gifs/tumblr_inline_mga3nt1Kv01qzcf6f_zps709bd106.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/thebloodofkonstantin/media/reaction%20gifs/tumblr_inline_mga3nt1Kv01qzcf6f_zps709bd106.gif.ht ml)

That would be an epic thread!

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 10:49 AM
^^^ who told the names? IMO that person should be outed just as they did some performers here. Just saying

Snowy0Star
07-01-2013, 10:50 AM
Well as far as it being locked Love said she was on vacation getting tipsy on a beach so hopefully Isobel will come around and lock it .

Mare
07-01-2013, 10:58 AM
Find your niche. Cater to the clients you want to have.

The reason why people are freaking the fuck out is because many girls on Streamate are MFC-style now. But if you don't cater to that type of client (vanilla guys, young guys, freeloaders, superdomme men) then this doesn't affect you... AT ALL, as a performer. But if that was your niche, you obviously either need to jump on the train or find a new niche if you're no longer making money. I DO think gold shows made vanilla guys cheap, but Streamate isn't MFC. Streamate has a small amount of vanilla guys compared to any other site.

I still don't understand why people are freaking out over what other girls do. If anything, that's good they aren't offering what you offer, right? Do you really want 5,000 girls doing EXACTLY what YOU do? They are offering something else instead (i.e. baseball bat, MFC-style raffles, etc). While its probably a good idea to watch other models here & there to see what they are going (to give you ideas and look for trends), there's no point in caring about what they do unless they are doing the same exact thing as you and look/act exactly like you.
THIS! I will look once in awhile to see what's going on out there. BUT, I just go to my room and do me. Lots of people might think my hustle is boring. But at the end of my day/week I got what I wanted. Too many ladies are so into the catiness of having to out do another that they just do more for less until they're not making much. I think the baseball bat and bedpost is totally interesting from a train wreck kind of can't look away point of view, but hey to each her own. I'm not wrecking my body.
That being said. I got turned down for a site this week. LOl. But that's ok. Still looking for my plan B. SM has been good to me so far, but technical difficulties aren't paying my bills.

Snowy0Star
07-01-2013, 11:06 AM
but technical difficulties aren't paying my bills.

#truth

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 11:08 AM
I swear , we are ADULTS. If this was a night club dressing room ..........
We should not have to bring mods in esp from vacation.
Well as far as it being locked Love said she was on vacation getting tipsy on a beach so hopefully Isobel will come around and lock it .

Snowy0Star
07-01-2013, 11:14 AM
I swear , we are ADULTS. If this was a night club dressing room ..........
We should not have to bring mods in esp from vacation.

i dont really one way or another but everyone was going we want it locked wheres the mods so thats why i said that

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 11:21 AM
I knew what you where saying. I was just pointing out the OBVIOUS about MOST of us, I thought, are adults. ;)
i dont really one way or another but everyone was going we want it locked wheres the mods so thats why i said that

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 11:55 AM
WE could just put it back on topic. She wanted to talk about Plan B. There were some good sites listed.

chloemay
07-01-2013, 12:04 PM
Camming is my Plan B since phone sex stopped being livible for my primary income this year. So far it's been interesting! The only token site i'm on is MFC as I haven't been able to get a picture with both my Drivers license and face clearly for Streamate. MFC hasn't been a complete bust, but I haven't been thrilled with it and prefer to spend time on Niteflirt, Clips4Sale (thanks Stripperweb!) and promoting CMD for indie shows.

The girls who discuss non-adult work have my attention too, I think the hardest part is deciding where to put most of the effort ROI if you will.

If, as a camgirl, you are going to use Niteflirt as a Plan B, I suggest creating phone listings as well as cam with phone for your persona. Then, create Mpg4s of your videos and sell the heck out of them on there. NF guys like clips, and MP4s convert as small enough files to send through their system.

Snowy0Star
07-01-2013, 12:14 PM
we could try but it seemed liked very wanted to bicker more

but we'll give it a shot

ok so my plan b is clips indie camming and splitting im going to try streamray and livejasmin it maybe be pompous of me but i will START not try but START using adult work brits like thick chicks and i think Europeans in general i get a lot of skypers and tippers from MFC in Europe that and the fact Sarah splits with it are the only reasons why i will try LJ agian... I plan on putting more effort into MFC contest a fan club a honoring high tippers etc even tho my cam score is only in the 400s i believe in the law of attraction I'm going to fake it till i make it. Indie camming i plan on using cam girl spot cam model directory trying to see if i can get in with girlsprivate.com virtualxgirls.com and signing up with camgirlservices.com and paying the $150 for them to make me a website that will expand on because they teach you. Honestly in a perfect camworld i would just get by with MFC clips and indie its honestly what i'm really working towards. but since SM is making me the most right now im kinda stuck there.

o yeah forgot about phone sex i have accounts on night flirt and talk sugar

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 12:56 PM
Great idea, let's try to keep on track and ignore other posts maybe? I do apologize for my part in derailing the thread, as I said in another post, I felt it's way too late by then. To make things right, here's my Plan B:

My plan B is to always have a marketable vanilla skill. I'm sure everyone can find some course or something like that to attend, that can be a lifesaver in hard times and can be done as part time work too. I have my skill and diploma which I know is always in demand and I could always rely on that if something happened to camming. I wouldn't be happy, but I would be able to live on the earnings from that.

I think the most important plan B is: save, save, save. If you have a nice savings account which is growing by the month, you won't be desperate for the money. I recommend everyone an emergency savings account where you save up money that's enough for at least 6 months. 6 months should be enough to find something to do if anything goes wrong; and it the meantime, you're not desperate, you can afford to get the best job you can.

The next step of course is investing your hard earned money. I'm going towards this right now, hopefully by next year I'll have enough money saved to do it.

I'm not sure if I answered the question the thread asked, but I don't really have plan B in camming. I just want to make the most of it and continue growing. Sometimes it requires working hard, sometimes it requires working smart, sometimes both. I'm trying to find sites to work on, but I find that the more sites I'm working on, the harder it is to keep track with everything, and most of my money is coming from a few sites anyway. I'll settle with 3-4 camming sites and 2-3 content sites, that's more than enough for me. I would like to try indie camming, but I'm not sure when I'll have the time for that.
Affiliate work? That sounds like a plan B too, although I can't comment on that because I never really tried it.

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 01:06 PM
Thank you so much for mentioning the phone sex option. I know there's NiteFlirt and Keen. Does anyone know of any other phone sex sites?



Camming is my Plan B since phone sex stopped being livible for my primary income this year. So far it's been interesting! The only token site i'm on is MFC as I haven't been able to get a picture with both my Drivers license and face clearly for Streamate. MFC hasn't been a complete bust, but I haven't been thrilled with it and prefer to spend time on Niteflirt, Clips4Sale (thanks Stripperweb!) and promoting CMD for indie shows.

The girls who discuss non-adult work have my attention too, I think the hardest part is deciding where to put most of the effort ROI if you will.

If, as a camgirl, you are going to use Niteflirt as a Plan B, I suggest creating phone listings as well as cam with phone for your persona. Then, create Mpg4s of your videos and sell the heck out of them on there. NF guys like clips, and MP4s convert as small enough files to send through their system.

HaydenBlue
07-01-2013, 01:09 PM
Thank you so much for mentioning the phone sex option. I know there's NiteFlirt and Keen. Does anyone know of any other phone sex sites?

AdultPhonePal
MyPhoneSite

Snowy0Star
07-01-2013, 01:10 PM
Great idea, let's try to keep on track and ignore other posts maybe? I do apologize for my part in derailing the thread, as I said in another post, I felt it's way too late by then. To make things right, here's my Plan B:

My plan B is to always have a marketable vanilla skill. I'm sure everyone can find some course or something like that to attend, that can be a lifesaver in hard times and can be done as part time work too. I have my skill and diploma which I know is always in demand and I could always rely on that if something happened to camming. I wouldn't be happy, but I would be able to live on the earnings from that.

I think the most important plan B is: save, save, save. If you have a nice savings account which is growing by the month, you won't be desperate for the money. I recommend everyone an emergency savings account where you save up money that's enough for at least 6 months. 6 months should be enough to find something to do if anything goes wrong; and it the meantime, you're not desperate, you can afford to get the best job you can.

The next step of course is investing your hard earned money. I'm going towards this right now, hopefully by next year I'll have enough money saved to do it.

I'm not sure if I answered the question the thread asked, but I don't really have plan B in camming. I just want to make the most of it and continue growing. Sometimes it requires working hard, sometimes it requires working smart, sometimes both. I'm trying to find sites to work on, but I find that the more sites I'm working on, the harder it is to keep track with everything, and most of my money is coming from a few sites anyway. I'll settle with 3-4 camming sites and 2-3 content sites, that's more than enough for me. I would like to try indie camming, but I'm not sure when I'll have the time for that.
Affiliate work? That sounds like a plan B too, although I can't comment on that because I never really tried it.


that is so true although i personally think that the adult biz isnt shrinking its expanding its mentally healthy to get out and hang out with the 'normal' folk every once in a while for the most part all we do is stay at home work and hang out on stripperweb. I wish i could massage even it if was like once a week but im on probation for 3 years but i can appeal in 1.5 when im off i plan on getting back in possibly I'll have to asses where i am in camming and how much money i make

ClaudiaReina
07-01-2013, 01:17 PM
its mentally healthy to get out and hang out with the 'normal' folk every once in a while for the most part all we do is stay at home work and hang out on stripperweb.

Good point! It's nice to get out of the house every once in a while:)

chloemay
07-01-2013, 01:48 PM
AdultPhonePal
MyPhoneSite

I'm on MyphoneSite and didn't mention it because, for me, in the two years I've been on there, it has been a bust. I finally got some ($27) business on there last month and there is confusion over payment. Now, I like to charge at least $1.50 for phone per minute, more if using my pics, so maybe I priced out of the site. Phone sex can be mentally exhausting so keep that in mind. MyPhoneSite appears to have mostly content models for pictures and cheap rates. Anywho, that has been my experience so far with them.


TalkSugar is known to suddenly close girls' accounts and either keep the money or send bad checks. They closed mine with over $50 in it, not much but still, what assholes. Phone sex operator friends of mine had worse experiences, so go in with your eyes open.

laurielegs
07-01-2013, 01:57 PM
I'm on MyphoneSite and didn't mention it because, for me, in the two years I've been on there, it has been a bust. I finally got some ($27) business on there last month and there is confusion over payment. Now, I like to charge at least $1.50 for phone per minute, more if using my pics, so maybe I priced out of the site. Phone sex can be mentally exhausting so keep that in mind. MyPhoneSite appears to have mostly content models for pictures and cheap rates. Anywho, that has been my experience so far with them.


TalkSugar is known to suddenly close girls' accounts and either keep the money or send bad checks. They closed mine with over $50 in it, not much but still, what assholes. Phone sex operator friends of mine had worse experiences, so go in with your eyes open.

Same thing happened to me and several others I know of. I was on TalkSugar for years and they closed my account with no explanation, never paid me and never responded. I never broke their rules in any way.

Nothing for me on myphone site either.

I get occasional niteflirt calls but its very hit and miss and I have not been successful at figuring out how to drive my own traffic.

HaydenBlue
07-01-2013, 02:03 PM
Psoboards
Textilicious
And niteflirt forums are helpful for phone sex info

I also started a group for phone sex. You have to be a verified Camgirl before you can join. But after just PM and I can add you to the group :)

GlamourRouge
07-01-2013, 03:18 PM
Same thing happened to me and several others I know of. I was on TalkSugar for years and they closed my account with no explanation, never paid me and never responded. I never broke their rules in any way.

That's the problem with newer sites. They often die or stop paying models without warning. Xpeeps. Other people are starting to have bad experiences with ELM. That's makes me really hesitant to put it work on a site that may go down in the near future. I'd keep that in mind.

SarahTime
07-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Why would anyone think Sarah told me? The person who told me didn't even post in this thread. Do you really think it's hard to find out? I dont plan to tell anyone who you are and I dont troll other cam performers so your identity is safe. I may not agree with your postings but that doesn't mean I would out you.

I'd like to know who it was as well Jane, because SOMEONE has the others convinced it was me FOR WHATEVER REASON IS BEYOND ME. I've never done anything to anyone here, yes I disagree with some, but I have never done anything to give off the impression that I would do that kind of shit so I don't know why this individual is trying to convince people it was me.

Which is utter fucking bullshit.

laurielegs
07-01-2013, 03:55 PM
That's the problem with newer sites. They often die or stop paying models without warning. Xpeeps. Other people are starting to have bad experiences with ELM. That's makes me really hesitant to put it work on a site that may go down in the near future. I'd keep that in mind.

True, but TalkSugar has been around for years and years. I had heard stories of people being banned and losing their $ but I got paid every month without fail for literally years so I assumed the folks complaining were just rule-breakers and sore losers. Nope!

It seems to be run by just one clueless guy and he just bans people and keeps their $ on a whim.

MissSassyPickles
07-01-2013, 03:59 PM
Jane, please pm me who outted me if it wasn't Sarahtime. I have a right to know who it was. I can also count on less than two hands those who know my identity so it's not that hard to figure out.

SweetPinkCupcake
07-01-2013, 04:01 PM
I think that Jane is lying and I doubt anybody even PMed her.

MissSassyPickles
07-01-2013, 04:02 PM
Yes please PM me with who I am as well so I know you're not just starting drama for the hell of it.

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 04:02 PM
I already posted in here that it wasn't you and it honestly wasn't you. I won't tell them who it was because they will go bitch at her. I really don't care what they think, they aren't as great as they claim. They have zero effect on me and they can call names on here and bitch fit all they want, it just makes them look stupid. Many performers read that thread and didn't post in it. Many agree their comments weren't warranted and they should have dropped it. Hell that's posted on Twitter for anyone to read. They need to drop it and let this thread stay back on track.




I'd like to know who it was as well Jane, because SOMEONE has the others convinced it was me FOR WHATEVER REASON IS BEYOND ME. I've never done anything to anyone here, yes I disagree with some, but I have never done anything to give off the impression that I would do that kind of shit so I don't know why this individual is trying to convince people it was me.

Which is utter fucking bullshit.

MissSassyPickles
07-01-2013, 04:03 PM
Hell yeah I will go bitch at someone who outted me. Unless you tell me who I am I now know for a fact that you are just starting drama bc you are full of shit.

Billabong
07-01-2013, 04:08 PM
Plan A: Phone Sex
Plan B: Either C4s or Camming
Plan C: Either C4s or Camming
Plan D: Graphic design


I'd like to get to a point where I add a plan E. Maybe if I can find a position texting or something. No vanilla work whatsoever preferably.

JaneBurgess
07-01-2013, 04:12 PM
There's also kinkbomb, which is kind of like clips4sale but more fetish. Clips4Sale also has a sister site where you can sell picture sets. It never hurts to try sites that aren't cam related.

Thespark88
07-01-2013, 04:13 PM
Mfc and MGF are my backups. I dont really like MGF, but maybe i just need to try harder lol

loveshooks
07-01-2013, 04:33 PM
re: the outing thing, completely unacceptable but unless someone wants to forward a PM that contains outing to Isobel or me there's not much we can do on that tip. Violations of privacy like that have absolutely no place here though. If this happened I'm pretty disgusted that someone would have that much time on their hands and the ill will to use it in such an immature and spiteful manner.

I'm not going to lock this since there are still some great posts being written here, eg: I wish I could double thank Chloe for raising the issue of stability and trustworthiness. That's a huge issue in choosing the sites we each choose to use and while I haven't yet waded through the depths of this thread I don't think anyone has raised that yet.

Thanks to everyone who's struggling to drag this thread back on topic :cheers:

amberose
07-01-2013, 05:15 PM
(oh god this is long haha no wonder I never post)

JAC,

To a degree I know how you feel.

I do well on Streamate. If I kept a regular schedule I know I'd be making 6 figures on that site alone.

And as tempting as that is, as much as I want/need/love that money right now, as much as I get strong winds of camming energy for a period of time, I know that that plan isn't sustainable.

I could prob cam my ass off for a year, maybe two, and then...burn...the fuck...out. Like overall life burnout lol

Not for a lack of desire to work. I like working. But I'm certain that I'd have permanent health issues if I cammed full time long term. Even when I think I'm being gentle and have the right set up, I dunno, my joints man :/

These issues are not only apparent, but debilitating after a really long day camming or after a week of a lot of camming.

In addition to that, while camming certainly can be, and often is fun (at least on the "good" days), when I cam frequently it's just not fulfilling to me (just to my bank account). It starts getting sort of monotonous and one-dimensional, even with some of the fetish guys. It requires me to use a type of energy I don't "naturally" have in abundance (free chat) which can be draining.

I love aspects of sex work, and consider fetishism one of my passions, but camming? Yeah not really a lifelong goal. I know that if I did nothing but cammed my ass for years off I'd be wealthy but depressed.

It's hard to transition into something else though, or just keep camming as supplemental, when I see the potential there, when I know I could have it (even to the demise of my health), when I want to really succeed at whatever I pursue.

But to keep my health, sanity, and happiness in order this is how I've been dealing:

~Investing in other forms of virtual sex work, even though the money isn't quite as immediate as camming yet, like any business it just takes a little time to build up. You listed a number of sites that one can make a viable income from. Especially compared to the numbers you listed...seriously I think you just need to experiment. For me this is decent "beginning" payoff, should be very good intermediate payoff, and prob excellent long term pay off if I really stick with it

~Starting another business that doesn't involve me being in front of the camera. 'Cuz I can only take that shit for so long, lol. The one I started has a lower immediate payoff, but once I sort out a few things and give it some time the potential for intermediate to long term payoff is way more then I could ever make camming. Bonus points if you can do something with very low to no start up costs. Another great thing it is that it requires me to expand on new skills sets that I could apply to future business ventures.

~Planning/thinking about other long term career goals...you know, the things that might require a certain sort of skill that prob won't make money right away but that you want to do for the sake of it. If sex work is your only ultimate goal/passion then this might not apply. I enjoy sex work and love the idea of keeping it as at least a side option no matter what, but unless I did something deeper with it I just know I wouldn't be fulfilled only doing sex work my whole life. Like I could have fun and distract myself with some forms of it (fetishism) but I'd have that nagging feeling in the back of my mind.

~Keep camming mostly on the side for fun and to to supplement these projects and others

The first plan just takes experimentation and action. You can do that. With the numbers you've been making camming there's nothing to loose. The second plan takes some innovation/planning. The third takes soul searching.

I'd echo what was said about having non sex-work backups unless you know you only want to do sex work. Ideally something that you love. Even if it's just a hobby for the time being. If you're creative and can plan you can turn almost any hobby or skill into a business.

And maybe this will help: You don't need camming to make good money, or to make 6 figures or even to pay your bills (though even that last one may take some working towards). Yes, camming is one method but there are others. Unless you really are in love with it, maybe you should look into "vanilla" opportunities while using whatever sex work you do to supplement that. Or maybe you'll find out that other forms of sex work is your thing, who knows. It's liberating to remind ourselves that we can pursue other things if we choose to.

Also think about this: Even if someone made 100k from camming for like 4 years straight, let's say that's 65k after taxes. Let's say they spent half of it on bills/expenses and saved the other half, so they saved 32.5k a year. So, after 4 years they could save up 130k. It's going to take most people a LOT of camming to consistently make 100k each year.

Don't get me wrong 130k is a fair amount of money, and if you invested it or used it to start a business you could turn it into more money. But unless you spent some of those 4 years expanding on certain skills or exploring other passions, you may not know the best way to invest that money or what other kind of business you'd want to start.

So if your plan is simply to cam a lot for a few years and then hopefully do something else, and especially if you feel burnt out and don't really enjoy camming genuinely much, was that 130k worth sacrificing 4 years of your life unless you had solid ideas as to what to do with it? (not directed at you JAC, just a general point of interest).

So in a sense, investing most to all of your time into camming is only worth it if you actually really like it and find it genuinely fulfilling (and the good days far outweigh the bad), AND/OR if you have solid plans as to how to use that money to do something else you love. Cuz yeah...it's not like we can just retire after a few years camming lol.

I know this thread is more about "immediate" backup plans but all of this is relevant. Like, GlamourRouge has mentioned a couple times in the past that sex work isn't worth it unless you actually enjoy it, and I concur.

It really sucks that you can't cam much due to health problems though bb. :/ Best bet is prob to cam for like 2 hours (either keep switching up hustle to make more $ or to conserve energy to cam longer) and then commit to 2 hours of actively doing other work (content, marketing, whatever), maybe 2-3+ hours doing research. Ideally more but whatever you can do.

Again most of this isn't specifically directed towards you JAC, just going on a little rant :)

TheBrownFox
07-01-2013, 07:16 PM
I have also heard good things about TweetDeck but I haven't tried it myself.

I just started using TweetDeck recently after someone recommended it to me. On Twitter if I get a tweet from a user that I'm not following, I won't see it on my timeline. I didn't like the idea of missing out on tweets like that, so I was told that TweetDeck allows you to see all the tweets from people you don't follow + tweets from people you do follow. :)

temptingmodel
07-01-2013, 07:59 PM
ITS NOT SARAH , again, LOL Sarah and I discussed this a while back, maybe a year when ppl where being trolled and she didnt know I was me, if that makes sense. :D



^^^ i have signed up, checked it out one day before one of my comps crashed. Decent traffic for me lying on the floor , 1st day not dressed for cam. Easy sign up process as well.