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AliceFun
10-01-2013, 04:07 AM
^^^ Nice, bet they got scared all performers that were working during summer will stop working when no charge backs campaign was over so they decided to change rules. I think they realized they'll loose more if they continue with that bad habit.
Tho there is the fine print saying "on rare occasions or if ur charge backs exceed 15% of ur total earnings, this is an 'open door' for them to deduct money still from models account.
Anyway, it's a big step and will motivate models to get online there. Only if they had better paying traffic...
VeteranCamModel
10-01-2013, 05:12 AM
no charge back forever that is so awesome yea
GlitteryGoddess
10-01-2013, 05:18 AM
Oh hell yes. This makes me SO happy! :)
Beentheredonethat
10-01-2013, 06:17 AM
YAY!! they heard us... that's why i love Imlive, they hear their Hosts.
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 06:19 AM
YAY!! they heard us... that's why i love Imlive, they hear their Hosts.
well have to agree to disagree on this until they stop letting guest talk or at the very least take the emotes away from them
TheBrownFox
10-01-2013, 07:31 AM
well have to agree to disagree on this until they stop letting guest talk or at the very least take the emotes away from them
You're referring to free video chat, right? Once FVC becomes optional for you - instead of mandatory - you'll probably like the site more because you'll have the freedom to do other things with your time in between private shows. Yeah, some of the guys in free text chat are annoying too, but you can always boot/block them when they start abusing text chat...or ignore them to death til they leave. Remember that some guys in free text chat actually do go private after you speak to them briefly, so you may not wanna completely ignore free text chat all the time. I can deal with free text chat as opposed to free video chat. And then once you're outta that 'mandatory free video chat' phase and just doing privates, you'll be able to splitcam easily with a second or third site if you want to...ImLive and Streamate, or ImLive and AdultWork, etc.
Their Model Support (a.k.a. Customer Service...we're not customers though, so why don't they call it Model Support? LOL.) sorta makes me think of Streamate because it's not the greatest unless you specifically e-mail one specific person on the Support team. With ImLive it used to be Sherry, but she's not there anymore so now it's Silvia. With Streamate it's Vanessa or Liz.
Happy October/new pay period, ladies! This pay period I'm gonna start using that mailing list feature more often, and updating my photo galleries and recorded live sessions.
By the way, if this 'no more chargebacks forever with a few exceptions' thing is for real, that's pretty damn awesome!
AF camgirl
10-01-2013, 07:57 AM
I started my sign up yesterday before I even knew they did away with chargebacks, so BONUS!! Woohooo
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 08:38 AM
Im already loving the no charge back forever thing. just had someone take in pvt for 10 seconds nice to know theyre cheap asses cant pull a bitch move and take it back from us ever again. serves them right to be impatient !
roast
10-01-2013, 10:29 AM
Im already loving the no charge back forever thing. just had someone take in pvt for 10 seconds nice to know theyre cheap asses cant pull a bitch move and take it back from us ever again. serves them right to be impatient !
Not trying to be uh that person but remember not in excess of 15%. if the CBs are in excess of 15% then you absorb the chargebacks. It is an unprecedented improvement though for ImLive --- but it isnt no-CBs, Imlive is huge about disclaimers, so just remember it is 15% in excess for that pay period and retroactive CBs can still occur (is my understanding, not sure how 15% plays a part for the random '5months later' CBs). Im impressed though, I thought theyd go to their grave literally about this. Hey probably in a few months itll be 30% I hope, their earnings mustve been taking a huge hit, so hope they realize taking a stab at not treating models like &@^& means models actually work more on your site. Who knew. What logic. Just took them a few years to realize it I guess.
My vague concern is models will flood the site and ImLive will retract it - or will scale it back or suddenly everyone has a fuckton of CBs that all suspiciously exceed 15%. We'll see.
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 10:32 AM
Not trying to be uh that person but remember not in excess of 15%. if the CBs are in excess of 15% then you absorb the chargebacks. It is a huge improvement though but it isnt no-CBs, Imlive is huge about disclaimers, so 15% in excess.
true but i dont think 15% in charge backs is easy to get is it? ive never worked on a site with charge backs that the model eats so i have no clue how that math works out :/
laurielegs
10-01-2013, 10:34 AM
Definitely a huge improvement, but I'm still going to be very cautious of new viewers and long shows.
I wonder how often hosts will still see chargebacks. Time will tell!
roast
10-01-2013, 10:40 AM
true but i dont think 15% in charge backs is easy to get is it? ive never worked on a site with charge backs that the model eats so i have no clue how that math works out :/
Actually you probably do - I think officially Streamate is the only site that really absorbs CBs, theyre just rare on other sites. ImLive has always ~*strangely*~ been a CB sinkhole of doom (and now potentially Naked). Over the years I get CBs on other sites that have no CB protection but theyre very very rare and barely amount to much .
Hey Snowy I was trying to uhh delete something can you edit / not requote the part I asked you to not requote?
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 10:42 AM
Actually you probably do - I think officially Streamate is the only site that really absorbs CBs, theyre just rare on other sites. ImLive has always ~*strangely*~ been a CB sink (and now potentially Naked). I get CBs on other sites that have no CB protection but theyre very very rare.
Hey Snowy I was trying to uhh delete something can you edit / not requote the part I asked you to not requote?
o duh sorry ill take it out XD
apryll11
10-01-2013, 02:54 PM
yay!!!! No charge backs forever
LolaBohemia
10-01-2013, 03:00 PM
well have to agree to disagree on this until they stop letting guest talk or at the very least take the emotes away from them
Omg I HATE the emoticons! When guests start doing that shit I tell them I can read words, you don't have to give me cartoons.
It just seems so childish to me...and what their particular emoticons are of doesn't help!
roast
10-01-2013, 03:48 PM
Omg I HATE the emoticons! When guests start doing that shit I tell them I can read words, you don't have to give me cartoons.
It just seems so childish to me...and what their particular emoticons are of doesn't help!
yea the new emoticons and bouncing bewbs and bullshit is so idiotic omg
yay!!!! No charge backs forever
Ive been with ImLive long enough to know that their campaigns are premised on reactions like this - no: it is 15% only of your CBs. Only 15%, if your CBs are in excess of that then you are charged-backed. Im sorry, Im going to kinda haunt this thread like a specter so ppl fully absorb what this new campaign or implementation really means. It is progress but it isnt forever (Imlive retracts shit a lot) and it is a very low minimum. It doesn't negate the progress but this isnt anywhere near SM level of CB protection, it is only 15%
Yea, woohoo, but it is a measured "woohoo" of 15%. If youre a member who uses methods to avoid CBs.... uhhh i havent had a CB in excess of 2 of 3% in maybe 2yrs but Im not pulling back 100% my rejection of some members as my largest chargeback when I had no discrepancy was in excess of 40% (which this campaign will not cover), so regressing to "accepting everyone" (esp since that 40% included VIP members + random massive retroactives) is impossible at least on my end. Personally Ill be more lenient but no where near massively so, I got fucked over in enough PPs to be cautious of new ImLive implementations and Id strongly advise ppl new to the site (aka ppl new witin the past 16months) to not blindly believe this and wait a few PPs after this has passed to celebrate? Im sorry Im being a Debbie Downer, I am truly happy about this but this is not a now ImLive is Chargeback free campaign - they rely very heavily on new signups as new signups are forced to do freechat, so theyll do anything to ensure that...... just as ImLive is very wellknown as being as a "split and forget about it" site, uh.... just be patient and wait. I recognize that is wildly condescending but idk, i just gotta say it?
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 03:49 PM
^ ur a skeptic its gonna stay?
Snowy0Star
10-01-2013, 08:14 PM
got my 120 hours w00t
VeteranCamModel
10-02-2013, 04:29 AM
praise be to God. its just totally awesome. ImLive always listens to us always. this is truly something to be grateful for
laurielegs
10-02-2013, 04:34 AM
praise be to God. its just totally awesome. ImLive always listens to us always. this is truly something to be grateful for
Well, I'd be way more grateful if they had the same policy as streamate and covered them all.
Read what Roast posted and consider carefully.
We really have no way to prevent a very large chargeback from happening to us except to guess at whether a customer can be trusted or not. I will still be turning down some shows completely and cutting short other shows when it's a new guy or someone who gives me reason to doubt.
takiaya
10-02-2013, 04:42 AM
So happy I teared up when I logged in just now :D
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laurielegs
10-02-2013, 04:49 AM
Damn.
Someone already got a chargeback in this "no chargeback" time. She posted in the ImLive forum that she had a 14 minute private and they took the $ back, and she posted it today.
The response she got in the forum is the same one they always give.
takiaya
10-02-2013, 04:53 AM
XD maybe it was more than 15% of their total earnings, that or happened before they posted this new policy:
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Snowy0Star
10-02-2013, 08:52 AM
Well, I'd be way more grateful if they had the same policy as streamate and covered them all.
Read what Roast posted and consider carefully.
We really have no way to prevent a very large chargeback from happening to us except to guess at whether a customer can be trusted or not. I will still be turning down some shows completely and cutting short other shows when it's a new guy or someone who gives me reason to doubt.
how long is too long for newbies? around when do u cut it off for long first time custies? Im thinking 10-15 min
TheBrownFox
10-02-2013, 12:01 PM
An ImLive model said that some guy asked her to put on stockings and suspenders so that he can watch her in LiveViewer (the feature that allows guys to spy on your cam) for a penny. LMFAO!!!
apryll11
10-02-2013, 02:50 PM
how long is too long for newbies? around when do u cut it off for long first time custies? Im thinking 10-15 min
I don't understand, why would you want to cut your privates short? The guy who takes you for an hour is just as capable for doing a chargeback as the guys who only stays for 2min. Why pass up the opportunity to make more money when you can?
I don't think anyone should live or work thinking this guy will do a charge back. Personally, they all seem pretty shifty to me, I wouldn't put it pass any guy. You can actually see in guest files if you received a charge back and from who, Ive never had a chargeback so I would assume they would let you know if it was for x amount of mins in private or vids and at the very least you can block him for next time.
AliceFun
10-02-2013, 03:05 PM
^^^ A new guy on IML is a potential risk for chargebacks especially if it's a longer show, is not wise to give long shows to new members on that site. I was working during a 'NO chargebacks' promotion in december last year and i had a 45 min show with a new guy, i had no fear of cb's cause of the promotion but guess what? IML deducted the $50 from my earnings cause they claimed it was a cb!! Even within the promotion!!
I could have had another guy in pvt on another site like SM for example in that time i wasted on IML with that new guy that got a refund, right?! Also, do not trust IML with the new No chargebacks forever thingy, money are not fully guaranteed there, ever!
laurielegs
10-02-2013, 05:26 PM
I don't understand, why would you want to cut your privates short? The guy who takes you for an hour is just as capable for doing a chargeback as the guys who only stays for 2min. Why pass up the opportunity to make more money when you can?
I don't think anyone should live or work thinking this guy will do a charge back. Personally, they all seem pretty shifty to me, I wouldn't put it pass any guy. You can actually see in guest files if you received a charge back and from who, Ive never had a chargeback so I would assume they would let you know if it was for x amount of mins in private or vids and at the very least you can block him for next time.
There is no way I would stay in private for that long with a new guy when I could have several regulars come in and actually get to keep the money that I worked for.
New guy who stays that long = huge chargeback risk in my opinion. Plus if I spread my risk out and stick to only long shows with my regulars then I am more likely to come in under 15%. An hour show chargeback at my rates is guaranteed to be taken.
There is no reason to worry about blocking the guy. They ban him from the site, but you already did a free show so the money is already gone should he be fraud or chargeback.
I can not understand why they have so many. I rarely get one elsewhere. Something is wrong with their screening process.
Snowy0Star
10-02-2013, 05:28 PM
Their card screening process?
laurielegs
10-02-2013, 05:30 PM
Their card screening process?
I suppose. Something is wrong when sites like Niteflirt and Adultwork rarely have them but they have been rampant on ImLive. If it were customer dissatisfaction the guy would not have stayed for long shows, obviously. Seems to be a lot of fraud.
cherryblossomsinspring
10-02-2013, 07:22 PM
^ Or buyers remorse.
Beentheredonethat
10-03-2013, 01:27 AM
I still believe that 15% chargebacks is a huge amount of money and yes, there are girls who get partnerships with hackers and generate chargebacks. This is fraud and the site shouldn't absorb those chargebacks.
I am really happy about this change. I’ve checked my chargebacks there and I never had more than a 3% chargeback. So I don't know about you girls, but i think this rules!
VeteranCamModel
10-03-2013, 04:52 AM
I too have had a guy ask me to do something so he can watch me in viewer lol
roast
10-03-2013, 08:47 AM
I wrote out some tested/anecdote heavy theories on why CBs on ImLive are such a chronic and systemic issue -it is in verified though and verified is tough to search, I think I wrote it under an ImLive thread there and maybe 2012? There was a long thread about it where other ppl chimed in as well if the ppl up-thread are interested.
I still believe that 15% chargebacks is a huge amount of money and yes, there are girls who get partnerships with hackers and generate chargebacks. This is fraud and the site shouldn't absorb those chargebacks.
OK. Girls (all genders are on ImLive but ok you know theyre all the ladies somehow) are the cause of the CBs. Given this is a many years long problem, the problem is in its design so the explanation has little to do with camgirls uniting with (legitimate) hackers to intentionally work for free. This happens Im sure but the only way to get away with it is uhhhh not sustainable enough to speak to why this has been going on for years. It is flaw in design. do. .....I get youre a site rep socking it up on SW to improve the brand, but glib explanations wont really work?
There is no reason to worry about blocking the guy. They ban him from the site, but you already did a free show so the money is already gone should he be fraud or chargeback.
Unfortunately if the person who CB is a higher ranking member they dont consistently. I have 2 higher ranking guys who were CBs who came back later - not blacklisted, nothing (I explained one of them in that verified theory-o-chargeback). I think they ban new members but longer standing ones theyre inconsistent about it. And I did contact Customer Service in each case but was told it was just an error that was fixed and there was no reason to ban them from the site --- but of course Im free to ban them myself. So unfortunately making a point to ban each person who is a CB may be a good idea? Esp if people post the guys by name in the forums.
ImLive's traffic stats have been pretty consistent and growing over the past year - so, hope they roll out more improvements.
Procrasturbator
10-03-2013, 01:12 PM
Back to the topic. you don't understand why I'm defensive, I don't understand why your still there. The day is full of mysteries. You do trust your livelihood to them, even if its only 1% of your income, you light bill or ur new g string money. Then again perhaps its not your livelihood, I know some girls do this for fun which is 1000 % fine. I apologies if assumed wrong in that aspect, I just figured everyone here used this as their main source of income. My income, where ever I get it from is my livelihood and no matter how small the amount I would never give trust to a company that was how you described IM as, I wouldn't even look twice at it. If its wise to stream in more then one place, its even wiser to not stream for any site that's not reputable or professional, why would any one put them selves through the risk of what comes with a non reputable place. Bounced checks is the big thing that comes to mind and that's horrible not flawed when you have to pay rent.
A. like,no shit
B. I am all for the free snowy campagne, so I say lead the revolution to a more "reputable" site
Why would I leave a site where I make money? The thing is that no camsites are truly 100% reputable. The adult industry is a shady business filled with people trying to take advantage of us. There are 3 sites that come to mind that are widely accepted to be relatively safe, professional, and profitable (SM, MFC and AW.) Everything else is hit or miss. I never expressed any concern about actually getting paid so I'm not sure where you're getting that? Obviously bounced checks are always a risk but in ImLive's case I haven't yet seen any cause for concern on that front? My issue is with their unprofessional conduct toward performers, not with whoever actually cuts the checks.
Im not taking anything personally, your just not making sense. For the reason you say the site its "deeply flawed" are reasons women quit jobs, no one deals with that shit. and these are not lil reasons, these are major reasons that companies go under for. Why are still with them if they are this way? You have 6 sites, how bad are things that you need a 7th? You can be independent if you want
Except camming isn't like a traditional job. There's no reason to "quit" a camsite. If you make money on a site, you can work that site often, if not, you can phase it out. I'm not particularly concerned with the company going under, the most anyone can lose is 2 weeks pay and that's no reason to forfeit however many weeks' pay until it eventually closes (like all sites do.) I still work ImLive because I make more money working it than not working it, lol. When SM isn't cutting it I could log off and make $0 or I could log onto ImLive for an hour or two and make some money (even if it is $10-20/hr less than good times on SM.) I'm really not sure where you got the idea that I'm active on 6 or 7 sites? I've only ever broadcasted on SM and ImLive, I do indie shows for a few trusted regulars, and I'm getting started on c4s, and this is working pretty well for me. But my other streams of income are really not the point.
I don't work for SM so I cant help you with that. I only work with sites that have support in the true sense of the word. I like being able to call and ask is the lighting ok in my room and they will come in my room and give me an answer. I like that if I ask on the forum I have a personal question please come in my room, they are there in 10 min or less. I know 4 ways I can get in touch with support at IM and they will always answer any dumb question I have ,To me that's professional.
You don't have to defend them but if all you have to say about the site are the worst things, perhaps it time to work somewhere you don't have to deal with these struggles anymore. It seems like its extremely stressful for you
Just out of curiosity, what other sites have you worked on? I was under the impression that you only work ImLive but if that's not the case please correct me. I've really never needed that level of support (that's what this forum is for) and TBH from lurking the ImLive forums the customer support seems unnecessarily snarky toward performers (when they're not copypastaing non-answers and/or blaming the performers for their problems) but if they've been helpful toward you I'm glad to hear it. Model support is something many sites lack. To me ImLive really goes overboard with their involvement but that's a matter of personal preference.
I'm also not sure where you got the impression that I only have bad things to say about ImLive? If you read through my post history (which you must have to count all of the sites I've ever signed up for) my general attitude toward them is actually more positive than most girls on here. I think they're a valuable egg to have, if only for when SM/other major sites aren't delivering. I also like that their stream quality is lower (less bandwidth required), I like many of their host features, I like the fact that they pay the day after the pay period is over instead of waiting six days like SM does, I like that they have their own forums. But they also have some serious problems and this is a perfectly appropriate venue to discuss those problems. Again, I'm really not sure where you're getting some of these impressions. I wouldn't term my passing (but very valid) disdain for ImLive's model support issues "struggles"--I've never personally been reprimanded or even interacted with support aside from a quick question in the forums--and it's certainly not "very stressful" for me. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that ImLive model support is keeping me up at night, lol. If anything working ImLive gives me peace of mind because I know that if SM has a slow day, if my Internet connection is acting up, if I just get bored with SM, etc it's there and I can still make money and pay my bills (which, btw, is why I cam.) It's actually very comforting to have multiple streams of income and I highly recommend it. :)
ANYWAY (I feel like I just wrote a novel haha), back to the topic at hand:
Yay, no chargebacks!!!! Kind of. Never had a CB so IDK how to feel about the 15% thing but still, it's an awesome sign of progress that they've agreed to cover CBs at all. Honestly I was kind of thinking of concentrating more on SM after the summer campaign ended and just keeping ImLive as a back up but I'm definitely going to give it a real chance. That was very smart of them, they have a lot of competition and it seems like they're finally stepping up their game.
well have to agree to disagree on this until they stop letting guest talk or at the very least take the emotes away from them
Lol irl. What the fuck is with those things!? Actually they're kind of helpful for identifying guys who will never, ever, ever pay. But they're still so fucking annoying.
There should be some sort of image replacement option where they think they're sending stickfiguremissionary.gif but we really see bluestickfiguregettingkickedintheballs.gif. Ohhhh that would make FLVC so much more pleasant.
Procrasturbator
10-03-2013, 01:25 PM
I still believe that 15% chargebacks is a huge amount of money and yes, there are girls who get partnerships with hackers and generate chargebacks. This is fraud and the site shouldn't absorb those chargebacks.
I don't mean to be contrary but I really doubt that this is a huge issue. Think about it:
Someone steals a credit card or w/e, partners up with a camgirl on ImLive, and uses it to buy time with her. Let's say they agree to split the money 50/50.
*IF* the site covers the chargeback, the girl only receives 30% of the money spent anyway, and that's before splitting it with the CC thief. All told the CC thief is only getting 15% of the money spent. I've never personally engaged in identity theft but someone that I was close to dabbled in it (yeah I know some lovely people, lol) and trust me, you can do better than a 15% cash return.
Let's say the girl averages $2000 a pay period. 16% of that (so no longer eligible for CB protection under the new rules) is $320. If my math is correct (no really, correct me if I'm wrong, I've never worked a site with CBs before so my understanding is fuzzy at best) that's about $1066 spent. If the thief spends $1066 with someone else's credit card (and splits the profits 50/50 with the girl) he's only getting $160 of that. Why wouldn't he just buy a $1000 TV and fence it for $800? It makes no sense. I don't doubt that someone, somewhere has done this, but I really don't understand how hacker/identity thief/camgirl collaboration could be a major issue for the site.
Snowy0Star
10-03-2013, 02:38 PM
Lol irl. What the fuck is with those things!? Actually they're kind of helpful for identifying guys who will never, ever, ever pay. But they're still so fucking annoying.
There should be some sort of image replacement option where they think they're sending stickfiguremissionary.gif but we really see bluestickfiguregettingkickedintheballs.gif. Ohhhh that would make FLVC so much more pleasant.
i love u bb i love the way u think but 99% of the guys that come in my room and post emotes are guest so i dont take them seriously regardless lol
kittykrane
10-03-2013, 04:06 PM
YAY!! they heard us... that's why i love Imlive, they hear their Hosts.
Well it took them YEARS to listen, but at least they are. I used to have many regulars there, but no way am I charging less than $4.80 a minute for a 1-on1 for my sexpertise and free phone to us/can to boot.
Jassi
10-03-2013, 05:19 PM
Wow, I'm almost tempted to try Im Live again. I had tried a few months ago, but I swear the FLC was killing me. I was new to camming and the guests some members kept trying to bully me or trick me into free shows. Being new, I just wasn't prepared for that and I actually got shingles eck...
I know I just need to tough it out and then I can choose FLC or not if I want, and maybe there are some benefits to the FLC, but it does have a lot of time wasters and looky losers that suck your energy.
I'm on other sites now, and I think I'm better about not getting sucked into all of that, thanks to this awesome forum :)
Something I will consider, their customer service was very helpful when I needed it, but in general not sure if Im live really gives a you-know-what about their hosts...of course that could apply to a lot of sites.
Thx ladies, I might give it another shot on Im live...I'm still on others, but it never hurts to try again.
VeteranCamModel
10-04-2013, 02:15 PM
Im totally stoked about the no CB forever on ImLive !! I have been hosting there for 11 yrs and been asking for this forever. so YAYYYYYYYYYYY - I think it's fabulous !!! And yes they have the best CS I have ever seen on any site, that I have been on. They are still my favorite site to host :)
Maddie67
10-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Vet Girl, I am as happy as you are, we both been there a very long time. I am so much more relaxed working there now.
Maddie67
10-04-2013, 02:21 PM
Well it took them YEARS to listen, but at least they are. I used to have many regulars there, but no way am I charging less than $4.80 a minute for a 1-on1 for my sexpertise and free phone to us/can to boot. They will pay it. After taking the advice of the ladies on this forum, I went up a buck to 4.8 and had no problems with regulars or new to me guys coming in.
TheBrownFox
10-04-2013, 08:45 PM
LMAO at this tweet that ImLive posted:
"Oh, she won't put out? You'll never have this kind of problems on #FreeSexCams."
apryll11
10-05-2013, 12:43 AM
Why would I leave a site where I make money? The thing is that no camsites are truly 100% reputable. The adult industry is a shady business filled with people trying to take advantage of us. There are 3 sites that come to mind that are widely accepted to be relatively safe, professional, and profitable (SM, MFC and AW.) Everything else is hit or miss. I never expressed any concern about actually getting paid so I'm not sure where you're getting that? Obviously bounced checks are always a risk but in ImLive's case I haven't yet seen any cause for concern on that front? My issue is with their unprofessional conduct toward performers, not with whoever actually cuts the checks.
Except camming isn't like a traditional job. There's no reason to "quit" a camsite. If you make money on a site, you can work that site often, if not, you can phase it out. I'm not particularly concerned with the company going under, the most anyone can lose is 2 weeks pay and that's no reason to forfeit however many weeks' pay until it eventually closes (like all sites do.) I still work ImLive because I make more money working it than not working it, lol. When SM isn't cutting it I could log off and make $0 or I could log onto ImLive for an hour or two and make some money (even if it is $10-20/hr less than good times on SM.) I'm really not sure where you got the idea that I'm active on 6 or 7 sites? I've only ever broadcasted on SM and ImLive, I do indie shows for a few trusted regulars, and I'm getting started on c4s, and this is working pretty well for me. But my other streams of income are really not the point.
Just out of curiosity, what other sites have you worked on? I was under the impression that you only work ImLive but if that's not the case please correct me. I've really never needed that level of support (that's what this forum is for) and TBH from lurking the ImLive forums the customer support seems unnecessarily snarky toward performers (when they're not copypastaing non-answers and/or blaming the performers for their problems) but if they've been helpful toward you I'm glad to hear it. Model support is something many sites lack. To me ImLive really goes overboard with their involvement but that's a matter of personal preference.
I'm also not sure where you got the impression that I only have bad things to say about ImLive? If you read through my post history (which you must have to count all of the sites I've ever signed up for) my general attitude toward them is actually more positive than most girls on here. I think they're a valuable egg to have, if only for when SM/other major sites aren't delivering. I also like that their stream quality is lower (less bandwidth required), I like many of their host features, I like the fact that they pay the day after the pay period is over instead of waiting six days like SM does, I like that they have their own forums. But they also have some serious problems and this is a perfectly appropriate venue to discuss those problems. Again, I'm really not sure where you're getting some of these impressions. I wouldn't term my passing (but very valid) disdain for ImLive's model support issues "struggles"--I've never personally been reprimanded or even interacted with support aside from a quick question in the forums--and it's certainly not "very stressful" for me. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that ImLive model support is keeping me up at night, lol. If anything working ImLive gives me peace of mind because I know that if SM has a slow day, if my Internet connection is acting up, if I just get bored with SM, etc it's there and I can still make money and pay my bills (which, btw, is why I cam.) It's actually very comforting to have multiple streams of income and I highly recommend it. :)
ANYWAY (I feel like I just wrote a novel haha), back to the topic at hand:
Yay, no chargebacks!!!! Kind of. Never had a CB so IDK how to feel about the 15% thing but still, it's an awesome sign of progress that they've agreed to cover CBs at all. Honestly I was kind of thinking of concentrating more on SM after the summer campaign ended and just keeping ImLive as a back up but I'm definitely going to give it a real chance. That was very smart of them, they have a lot of competition and it seems like they're finally stepping up their game.
Lol irl. What the fuck is with those things!? Actually they're kind of helpful for identifying guys who will never, ever, ever pay. But they're still so fucking annoying.
There should be some sort of image replacement option where they think they're sending stickfiguremissionary.gif but we really see bluestickfiguregettingkickedintheballs.gif. Ohhhh that would make FLVC so much more pleasant.
Best of luck with everything
apryll11
10-05-2013, 12:51 AM
They will pay it. After taking the advice of the ladies on this forum, I went up a buck to 4.8 and had no problems with regulars or new to me guys coming in.
I agree. I charge 5.80 and I use to think they wouldn't pay more, especially since I started at .99 cents. So happy I was wrong.
roast
10-05-2013, 09:09 AM
Sorry you felt compelled to defend your criticisms of the site Procrasturbator - finding pros/cons of any site is totally normal, I know you know that, just echoing it. I get if someone loves a site or it is your top earner youll be defensive about it, I am like that about c4s often which I love fanatically despite its flaws.
But ImLive does read and post to SW, so writing out your grievances when that is so discouraged in their forums is uh good. I think CBs have been something we've talked a lot about here but those threads havent gotten the same number of views as this one has.... and given a site rep is obviously here (possibly two of them (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163670-Discover-ImLive-com))... being told to be mum just to not offend someone's love of the site is a disservice to current members and those who could sign up in the future. Glib praise doesnt help people new to the site or considering joining it. But posts spelling out the pros/cons (I love LolaBohemia's breakdown of ImLive's pros & cons so I try to always link to it) (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?166761-ImLive-com&p=2432278&viewfull=1#post2432278) actually are.
It is kind of like "well you make something, which you should be even happy about - so like it or leave", I mean, That is a weird and creepily low standard and frequently what site admins say (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163670-Discover-ImLive-com&p=2223666&viewfull=1#post2223666)so when camgirls say the same it is a unfortunately attitude shift. Like earning in adult entertainment is somehow incidental not built into the design of the business so you should be grateful however it flushes out - I mean, yikes. And when models co-sign that kind of mindset it is... odd.
So, given 2 (probable) site reps are posting heavily on this thread Im just defending your criticism of the site. They do things and behave in ways that other sites dont and not remaining critical of that means the collective standard of what is "a good site" will continue to drop.
Back to where this thread went - Ive only tried 5.80 a few times, but guys will pay pricing that is competitive to other sites. So ppl definitely do not need to do Happy Hour and the lowest.... esp if at the lowest you get asked for discount codes I mean yikes. Patience is definitely a virtue on there. I think if people are used to MFC or SM, sites like ImLive or other middle-tier ones that are comparable traffic/earning potential wise can be tough. So going in with informed/managed expectations is very helpful in starting the site, especially if youve only been at it a few months.
MissMollyxxx
10-05-2013, 06:03 PM
Ladies! I got my newsletter from IML two days ago and they are doing no chargebacks forever! Hooray! I don't put in much time on this site but this makes me feel better if I do decide to!
laurielegs
10-05-2013, 07:06 PM
Ladies! I got my newsletter from IML two days ago and they are doing no chargebacks forever! Hooray! I don't put in much time on this site but this makes me feel better if I do decide to!
LOL I guess you didnt read the thread before posting? ; -)
MissMollyxxx
10-05-2013, 08:00 PM
Awww I thought I had good news! Just signed up and trying to contribute anything that may be somewhat useful but I'm just a damn broken record LOL ;D
Maddie67
10-05-2013, 11:42 PM
Molly, I never get tired of hearing about the no chargebacks!