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StacySins
11-29-2014, 06:03 AM
This is so confusing. I don't really understand it :S
I think I'll need to contact that lawyer and get some advice as my website is due to go live in about a month :S
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 06:21 AM
OK I've just watched the video I posted above and noted the following:
2 mins - (rule 11) content must not be able to be seen by under 18’s (go by bbcf r18 guidelines as to what that covers), includes still images, clips, previews, vids
4 mins - free view must be soft core only , anything equivalent to r18 must be restricted access via credit card. other payment methods you must have 2nd method of age verification
5 mins in - 6 bands of fees for ATVOD registration as a provider - lowest £91, highest 12,302 (turnover exceeding 25.9 million)
12.28 - ATVOD cannot enforce rules on sites outside UK so they have ‘suggested’ to banks & financial authorities that they stop processing payments to sites outside UK breaching obscene publications act. There was a meeting held on 10th October with the FCA. Details to be arranged but May take form of blacklist.
12.56 ATVOD Does NOT apply to live content, on-demand content only. However Banks & processors may choose to take action against cam sites by blocking transactions to them.
29.31 - person selecting & organising the content is determined as the ‘provider’ - will need to use payment processor that is ATVOD compliant (not using debit card/ restrict to credit card & over 18 verified methods only) - this would suggest that AW is ok once they start enforcing age verification for all customers.
C4S 30.38 mins - subject to investigation rule 1,4 & 11
Can't remember what point he mentions it, but Johnson also talks about what is 'TV like'. He brings up the Playboy TV case & how others have argued they are not tv like as you would not find that sort of material on TV. He says they rule it on anything which is "comparable" i.e. doesn't have to be exactly like TV.
So my take is that the immediate implication is for video producers - only host them on sites which are ATVOD compliant i.e. they have age-verified payment methods like credit card only or a processor which is compliant like CCBill or epoch. If they use another payment provider that is not yet compliant (like C4S allow debit cards), then they must have a 2nd method of age verification in place.
Secondary to this is the issue of what happens if the financial authorities see fit to take action on foreign websites that breach obscenity laws.
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 06:26 AM
Above is a Video with pete Johnson, the head of ATVOD at XBiz in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3h6fib7mXo talking about all this
StacySins
11-29-2014, 06:27 AM
OK I've just watched the video I posted above and noted the following:
2 mins - (rule 11) content must not be able to be seen by under 18’s (go by bbcf r18 guidelines as to what that covers), includes still images, clips, previews, vids
4 mins - free view must be soft core only , anything equivalent to r18 must be restricted access via credit card. other payment methods you must have 2nd method of age verification
5 mins in - 6 bands of fees for ATVOD registration as a provider - lowest £91, highest 12,302 (turnover exceeding 25.9 million)
12.28 - ATVOD cannot enforce rules on sites outside UK so they have ‘suggested’ to banks & financial authorities that they stop processing payments to sites outside UK breaching obscene publications act. There was a meeting held on 10th October with the FCA. Details to be arranged but May take form of blacklist.
12.56 ATVOD Does NOT apply to live content, on-demand content only. However Banks & processors may choose to take action against cam sites by blocking transactions to them.
29.31 - person selecting & organising the content is determined as the ‘provider’ - will need to use payment processor that is ATVOD compliant (not using debit card/ restrict to credit card & over 18 verified methods only) - this would suggest that AW is ok once they start enforcing age verification for all customers.
C4S 30.38 mins - subject to investigation rule 1,4 & 11
Can't remember what point he mentions it, but Johnson also talks about what is 'TV like'. He brings up the Playboy TV case & how others have argued they are not tv like as you would not find that sort of material on TV. He says they rule it on anything which is "comparable" i.e. doesn't have to be exactly like TV.
So my take is that the immediate implication is for video producers - only host them on sites which are ATVOD compliant i.e. they have age-verified payment methods like credit card only or a processor which is compliant like CCBill or epoch. If they use another payment provider that is not yet compliant (like C4S allow debit cards), then they must have a 2nd method of age verification in place.
Secondary to this is the issue of what happens if the financial authorities see fit to take action on foreign websites that breach obscenity laws.
OK, I understand THIS. Thanks alot! That's fine for me then as my site is going to be subscription only. Hope this doesn't mess up any other girls sites?
Blonde-Ambition
11-29-2014, 07:48 AM
thank you so much, ok so i don't do anything like fisting etc (anything that is banned) but my little thumbnail pics for movies have things like open leg, or toy insertions
are these ok still?
xx
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 07:58 AM
Just updated my original post with all the info i've collated so far. There are a lot of question marks and it looks like we really need to do our own research and keep up to date with what's going on as to what we need to do to comply with ATVOD, or even if we DO need to comply with them.
DancesWithSloths
11-29-2014, 08:49 AM
Thanks, Susie!
To me, the key issue is whether we're offering "on-demand services" that are "TV-like". Ofcom ruling in the Urban Chick Supremacy Cell case is well worth a read, because it gives, in fine detail, the reasons why that site was *not* TV-like and thus not subject to ATVOD regulation. (PDF link: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/enforcement/vod-services/ucsc.pdf)
TLDR is that the clips were amateur in style, didn't have a complete narrative, didn't have much of a title sequence, were quite short, didn't have music - in short, nobody would ever broadcast something like that on TV because it's quite niche and looks like a home-made sex tape. (With all due respect to UCSC ladies.)
This looks like it lands us, as small producers of clips, in a dilemma. If we just turn the camera on and pretty much point and shoot random fetish scenes, we end up with slightly dull clips that look like everybody else's, but we don't fall under ATVOD. BUT if we want to make more aesthetically sleek clips with a bit of a storyline, a nice soundtrack, any context to make us stand out from the 15K other clips in that category - hello, licensing hammer.
Sigh. Slightly shit boring clips it is, I guess.
Slothie xx
RebeccaT
11-29-2014, 09:12 AM
For some years now UK authorities and agencies have been trying to find a way to stop minors viewing porn. No solution has been found as sites allow the flaunting of rules. Anyone can enter many a site with a mere click of "yes, I am over 18/21" but only those who pay are supposed to be able to view anything of a sexual nature. Alas, this isn't so. Anyone can see all nature of things in free chat, previews and trailers on many websites.
So the UK is hoping all adult sites will require age verification to get past the very first page. Is this so difficult for the major websites to implement? If it deters guest viewers then so be it. If they're not prepared to be age verified then they're not going to pay anyway.
It could be one of the best shake ups for a long time, eliminating time wasters and free loaders or it could, as has been said in previous posts, make sites reject UK broadcasters. Let's hope it's not the latter.
Edit: I guess sites do want the free loaders because a percentage DO convert. So, once again it comes down to enforcing the rules. I can't help thinking that if all sites enforced the rules there'd be no need for new legislation.
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 09:34 AM
@ Sloths if you watch the video with Pete Johnson above, he does say that it does not have to be exactly like tv, but comparable to. What is comparable to is determined by them and something they have so far refused to clarify. Although the final decision is down to OFCOM it would be a whole heap of annoyance and possible downtime from the internet if you were brought up by ATVOD. Urban Chick case is a brilliant one, but other sites have not managed to successfully appeal so we cannot afford to rest on our laurels just yet!
Blonde-Ambition
11-29-2014, 10:35 AM
I have just seen there are 2 boxes to tick
'Consumer AV Required' box
and
Adult Content Certification box
are we def ticking both of them!?
so paranoid profile will get removed!
thank you
xx
Classy_Katy
11-29-2014, 02:44 PM
Suddenly pleased that my movie clips look very homemade!
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 05:25 PM
Katy read this http://www.atvod.co.uk/news-consultations/news-consultationsnews/atvod-responds-to-ofcom-appeal-decisions-on-two-uk-adult-websites it demonstrates just how arbitrary atvod is over what they deem 'tv like'. They also found Playboy TV in breach and fined them £100,000. As I said, we cannot rest on our laurels.
I don't post all this to say we all have to register with ATVOD, or delete all our movies etc, i post to make sure everyone is aware of what is going on and is informed enough to know what to do if ATVOD come after them. And also because it clarifies why AW is currently implementing mandatory age verification.
sexysusie
11-29-2014, 08:11 PM
Re c4s I have just found this http://www.mistressdestiny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409017 looks like the banks took atvod seriously!
Classy_Katy
11-30-2014, 01:46 AM
Re c4s I have just found this http://www.mistressdestiny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409017 looks like the banks took atvod seriously!
I still have plenty of UK customers on C4S, so don't know why his payment was declined.
sexysusie
11-30-2014, 02:54 AM
So do I, but it specifically says atvod on the card declined form
sexysusie
11-30-2014, 04:32 PM
I've just come to a horrible conclusion ..... Age verification isn't going to become mandatory for ALL providers, just the UK. What they're doing is giving us that box so WE can choose to comply with the laws in our country. So basically we will choose between ticking the box and complying with ATVOD (as our customers will only then be able to see us when age verified), or leaving it unticked and risk being caught by ATVOD.
When i contacted backlash about it all they said to get in touch with them if ATVOD try to go after me at all and they will advise as ATVOD is basically a quango and OFCOM have ruled against them now on a number of occasions. in addition if they DO decide you are counted as an ODPS and are in breach of their rules, they will warn you first and there is a period of time in which to act before they will refer to ofcom for sanction.
Scarily though, I read the report of the case against Jessica Pressley in 2013 who had her website taken down and is effectively now banned from providing an ODPS FOREVER! That means ANY video on any website, anywhere, ever again - even a makeup tutorial on youtube!!!
So right now i think we have 3 choices -
A) Wait and see what happens (possibly face the risk of them coming after us)
B) Register with ATVOD & pay the fee to be on the safe side. if you do this though you will have to make sure you only ever use sites which have robust age verification in place, and do not produce any 'prohibited' material. And yes, this will mean ticking the box on AW and essentially halving your customer base!
oR C) Move country, or move your entire editing & uploading process abroad
Classy_Katy
11-30-2014, 11:25 PM
Yes, Melonie made the point earlier...we could find ourselves at a great disadvantage on all the platforms that we use because only UK girls have to comply.
Blonde-Ambition
12-01-2014, 03:57 AM
This is a joke!
:(
am literally soooo stressed out! I don't know what to do!
X
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 04:21 AM
We've only so far talked about aw and c4s, where do we start with all the other sites we use for clips, and even for payment payoneer for eg? This really severely disadvantages us
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 04:24 AM
I was just remembering that I have a Fetlife profile...I'm not selling on there but I have images and I link to AW and C4S.
Melonie
12-01-2014, 04:38 AM
Move country, or move your entire editing & uploading process abroad
Reading the 'fine print', I'm not sure that this would actually suffice ... because as a UK citizen the 'foreign' content would still be under 'UK control'.
Yes, Melonie made the point earlier...we could find ourselves at a great disadvantage on all the platforms that we use because only UK girls have to comply.
unfortunately, this seems to be the way this new UK law is unfolding.
If it's any consolation, the UK is not the only country attempting to implement anti-adult industry restrictions via the banking / credit card system. However, the UK is at least being completely 'up front' about what they are doing and why.
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 04:39 AM
This article was issue today by Backlash, I found it an interesting over view and there are links: http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/new-powers-to-censor-digital-media-are-a-threat-to-free-expression/
Melonie
12-01-2014, 04:51 AM
^^^ indeed, the following excerpt from your link appears to represent a 'dangerous' precedent ...
(snip)Of particular concern in terms of loss of freedom is the underlying intent to allow undesirable foreign websites to be blocked under UK ISPs’ filtering systems. This has serious implications for freedom of information. (snip)
In other words, it would appear that the UK is preparing to deal with the issue of the 'uncompetitiveness' of newly regulated UK adult sites / content by forcing UK ISP's to block competing 'foreign' content at the UK border. This would essentially prevent UK customer access ( i.e. prevent processing of UK customer credit card charges ) to ALL affected adult sites, regardless of the country the servers or 'producers' are actually located in.
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 04:58 AM
C4S are no longer processing even credit card payments to UK stores. Looks like clip cash only for now!
Has anyone spoken to niteflirt or any of the other cam/ content or payment sites you use?
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 05:00 AM
Are you being blocked?: https://www.blocked.org.uk/
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 05:02 AM
C4S are no longer processing even credit card payments to UK stores. Looks like clip cash only for now!
Jesus! Shows how much they value us, it's not as if they even protect us from charge backs.
UK credit cards? I've had a Canadian card purchase for a clip today.
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 05:13 AM
Must be just UK cards.
DancesWithSloths
12-01-2014, 05:41 AM
Also this by Myles Jackman the Obscenity Lawyer, bless his impressive beard, is a useful rundown of content that's "acceptable" or "unacceptable":
http://obscenitylawyer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-following-content-is-not-acceptable.html
Also of interest is the commentary at the bottom, where he thinks this legislation is a thin edge of a wedge to introduce filtering of foreign content from the UK:
"Of particular concern in terms of loss of freedom is the underlying intent to allow undesirable foreign websites to be blocked under UK ISP’s filtering systems. This has immeasurable implications on freedom of information and net neutrality."
No shit.
I'm glad to see the Backlash campaign being launched.
DancesWithSloths
12-01-2014, 05:53 AM
Coverage on Vice:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-end-of-uk-bdsm-282
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 05:54 AM
Useful info on getting your personal sites compliant with atvod (and shows how much effort this all will entail!) http://www.adultprovidernetwork.co.uk/case-study-speedybee-gary-beaumont/
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 06:22 AM
I can see why Adultwork is making itself compliant, most of it's income must come from the UK and it doesn't want to be regarded as "undesirable" and therefore blocked. The other sites probably don't care about being blocked from the UK, although that means they lose UK producers as well as customers since we won't be able to access them for our work either...unless circumvented by proxy servers but that's no good for customers if they can't use their credit cards. Hopefully Adultwork's measures will be enough...it may get busy again if sites like SM, C4S and MFC are blocked in the UK!
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 06:33 AM
There are implications for all countries. New xbiz article http://www.xbiz.com/news/legal/188069
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 06:37 AM
I'm wondering if I should be taking some of my clips down from C4S now! http://obscenitylawyer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-following-content-is-not-acceptable.html
The following content is not acceptable from the 1st December 2014
Today marks the beginning of a new phase in a sustained campaign of internet censorship which has wide-reaching consequences beyond the mere production and consumption of pornography.
These new regulations impose even more draconian restrictions on the types of pornography that can be depicted on regulated Video on Demand services. Previously the Crown Prosecution Service’s Guidance on the OPA provided a list of sexual activities which were deemed illegal to publish.
However these new Regulations specifically state that only sexual content that is equivalent to the BBFC R18 Category can be sold via VoD service. This is a significantly lower threshold.
According to Nikki Whiplash, a regulated video on demand service provider who attended a recent ATVOD and BBFC led seminar on the impact of the new regulations, the following sexual activities will be deemed either acceptable or unacceptable at R18 classification level:
Watersports and Squirting
Peeing and squirting are acceptable if not performed onto another person and/or then consumed.
Squirting during sex or masturbation is acceptable if fairly brie, isolated and not deliberately consumed or put onto a body. It would be acceptable to imply that it was licked up if could be deemed as to be simulated.
Fisting
Fisting is not acceptable. Penetration with all five digits beyond last knuckle is not acceptable; but all five digits of two or more hands would be acceptable as long as not past last knuckle.
Ofcom have sought medical guidance on fisting and don't believe it to be a dangerous act to perform. However, as the CPS’ Guidelines specifically cite fisting as obscene the BBFC can't pass fisting for classification. The BBFC acknowledge that they are well aware of the decision in R v Peacock but are obliged to have regard to CPS’ OPA Guidelines.
Amputee Insertion
Since the BBFC haven't ever needed to consider amputee insertion, they reserve their position on the matter.
Enemas
Enemas are acceptable if once they are squirted out they don't hit anyone else and does not contain feces. It is not acceptable to subsequently lick up what has been expelled; unless this is simulated (for example switched for another substance).
Catheters
Catheterisation is acceptable, even if catheter connected to mouth; presuming that the tube is not transparent so that the liquid moving through cannot be seen.
Eating ejaculate
Any form of consumption of (male) ejaculate is acceptable.
Vomiting
Vomiting may be acceptable if it is not performed as part of a sexual act; and is not visibly enjoyed by the participants.
‘Public’ Sex
Should the content features any nudity or other activity which might outrage the public decency, then the BBFC must be assured that the material in question was shot on private land with no public access or shot abroad. However, simulating the impression that it is in public is acceptable, fir example a vehicle with tinted windows. The key consideration that the material has not been created in the public eye.
‘Age Play’
Anything which might ‘encourage’ incest or sex with children under the age of eighteen is absolutely unacceptable. [How they determine this I don't know, especially when the customer is being the younger person]
However school uniforms are acceptable presuming that there are no references to the performer pretending to be under eighteen; and participants clearly 'of legal age' and participating in a consensual adult role play
Weapons
Sexual activities performed at gunpoint are unacceptable if it is “believable”. This will depend on tone and believability. Basically if it looks like it could be a non-consensual activity then it is not acceptable.
Bondage and Restraint
Full bondage in conjunction with a gag is unacceptable, since there needs to be an obvious (to the viewer) means to signal to stop. Hence it is acceptable if not all four limbs are tied. Thus a means to indicate the withdrawal of consent must be visible to the viewer. For example full bondage and gagging would be acceptable if there is a safe signal which is defined as part of the scene.
Thus elements like artistic license, storyline and context become important. Hence a straightforward bondage scenario with no surrounding context is less likely to be acceptable than something with features a clearly signaled role play component.
BDSM Pain play
Acts which if copied by the uninitiated have the potential to cause injuries more than transient and trifling are extremely unlikely to be acceptable.
Only "moderate" pain play is acceptable. Thus reddening of the skin acceptable but no raised welts, blood and bruising are not.
Needle-Play
Needles are more likely to be considered acceptable as they only cause transient and trifling injury similar to legal tattooing.
Facesitting as Breathing Restriction
Facesitting employed as a breathing restriction or any other form of smothering is unacceptable. However, facesitting without breathing restriction is acceptable. There is no flexibility on this. The airways must remain open. Apparently the rationale for this distinction is that men trying this at home might die.
Ballbusting
Ballbusting may be acceptable, depending on the level. OFCOM recommend submitting clips in question for review. It will come down to definition of moderate pain and whether viewers at home are likely to sustain serious injury if they try it at home. Hence ball-yanking is not acceptable; whereas controlled ball stretching is acceptable.
Trampling
This will depend on the surface upon which the person is being trampled on.
Urethral Sounds
The insertion of urethral sounds is acceptable presuming that they are not inserted so far in as to enter the bladder; and that appropriate sterile and safety considerations are taken such as the use of lubricant and gloves.
Insertion of objects like buttplugs
The insertion of other objects is acceptable presuming that it is clear that they couldn't get. Hence the use of buttplugs is acceptable. Hence a clip of a mobile phone vanishing up an anus would not be acceptable, despite being a spoof, on the basis that people might try it at home.
Power Tools
The use of power tools is unacceptable, since most people have one lying around at home. However purpose designed “fucking-machines” are acceptable. The test in question is the 'association with violence'.
Head-Scissoring
Head-scissoring is acceptable, presuming that it is gentle. However, if it is seen to be pushing on the carotid restricting blood flow then it is not acceptable. Hence, choking sounds or reddening of face as a result are not acceptable. As soon as any pressure is exerted it would be considered a choke hold and therefore not acceptable.
Wrestling
Wrestling is acceptable only if knockout moves are not deployed. Facesitting and seemingly non gentle scissoring are not acceptable.
Gagging
Gagging on cock and deep throat are acceptable if not for the whole scene. However, language of the 'gag on my cock' variety is unacceptable due to the reference to choking.
Definitions
These guidelines should be interpreted subject to these definitions:
"Fairly brief" = less than a minute
"Isolated" = not more than a couple of occurrences in a scene.
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 06:44 AM
It's going to take a while for them to get around to us all, especially the less 'obvious' we are. But all this is definitely something we need to be keeping in mind and working towards.
Some of the niche fetish stuff I do is not even on their radar, so how then do we determine what we should and shouldn't be doing? Keep the new info coming everyone x
TeenageAnnie
12-01-2014, 06:57 AM
I just went onto adultwork.com and didn't log in. I clicked the text that says "click here" if you agree to enter blah blah. I saw a dozen sexual graphic images on the front page. Most of the images now are blurred or pixelated but there was at least a dozen on the front page alone that showed clearly visible sex acts and upclose pussy shots. I got an email saying they were banning people who didn't change their free images to PG13 so why are there graphic porno shots on the front page?
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 07:06 AM
Awf admin was a bit quick to send that email. Aw aren't going to ban anyone (afaik!!) but to comply with the new UK regs UK providers have to ensure nothing r18 is in free to view, non age verified areas. It's only us that have to do this, not all countries :(
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 07:32 AM
I haven't seen it said on AW that it is only UK girls though. Also, it's in AW's interests to make it apply to everyone, otherwise they could be regarded as "undesirable" and blocked.
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 07:39 AM
I just went without logging in...Latest Pictures aren't pixilated, that's a bit of an oversight, those are new private gallery uploads.
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 07:39 AM
I'm hoping so Katy.
Classy_Katy
12-01-2014, 07:50 AM
I just sold a C4S clip to a guy in the UK via credit card!
sexysusie
12-01-2014, 07:58 AM
Good, hopefully c4s have realised credit cards ARE ok
Melonie
12-01-2014, 08:44 AM
^^^ as the US 'porn' attorney pointed out at SexySuzie's earlier link, much of the law's real impact will boil down to actual enforcement. As such, there is still some hope that the extent of this new law will only be the imposition of a new 750 UK pound annual 'license fee' on UK based adult content producers.
RebeccaT
12-01-2014, 09:46 AM
Surely there are similar laws and restrictions in the US? I know Chaturbate are strict about adhering to US obscenity rules. This makes me wonder how on earth MFC gets away things. Anyone of any age can see all sorts going on in free chat. Are there not age restrictions on pornography is the US? If so, why are MFC allowing it and how are they getting away with it? And if there are US restrictions which seem to have no effect on MFC's business then why do we think UK restrictions will?
Snowy0Star
12-01-2014, 10:01 AM
Surely there are similar laws and restrictions in the US? I know Chaturbate are strict about adhering to US obscenity rules. This makes me wonder how on earth MFC gets away things. Anyone of any age can see all sorts going on in free chat. Are there not age restrictions on pornography is the US? If so, why are MFC allowing it and how are they getting away with it? And if there are US restrictions which seem to have no effect on MFC's business then why do we think UK restrictions will?
Because it looks like the UK IS PROACTIVELY enforcing stuff from what ive read so far in this thread the UK is a really small area. England alone is like the same size as the entire state of California or something close to that IIR . It might have something to do with it? Like I know the UK is pretty populated but maybe less citizens less ppl to monitor easier to crack down more so then the US?
CatBBW
12-01-2014, 10:07 AM
I can see why Adultwork is making itself compliant, most of it's income must come from the UK and it doesn't want to be regarded as "undesirable" and therefore blocked. The other sites probably don't care about being blocked from the UK, although that means they lose UK producers as well as customers since we won't be able to access them for our work either...unless circumvented by proxy servers but that's no good for customers if they can't use their credit cards. Hopefully Adultwork's measures will be enough...it may get busy again if sites like SM, C4S and MFC are blocked in the UK!
That's a bloody good point!
CatBBW
12-01-2014, 10:21 AM
I just went without logging in...Latest Pictures aren't pixilated, that's a bit of an oversight, those are new private gallery uploads.
Yep, it's not changed a bit (yet!) - since March, if you go on AW Home Page without logging in, you'll see the AW TV (almost top right) pics and the Movie Clips/ Latest Rentals thumbs are pixelated, and everything else ISN'T. This hasn't changed. It's been like this since March. Which means you get to see all and everything that people place as profile pictures, AND Latest Pics, which as you said, are PRIVATE Gallery. Sale Items thumbs aren't pixelated either, at the mo I can see a lady sucking a cock, and a man wearing white pants with a bulging erection. NEW FEATURED MEMBERS at the bottom are of course showing their PUBLIC PROFILE PICS - one is a naked erection, and another is a 3-sum having sex.
Magical_Hoohah
12-01-2014, 10:29 AM
I haven't seen it said on AW that it is only UK girls though. Also, it's in AW's interests to make it apply to everyone, otherwise they could be regarded as "undesirable" and blocked.
I'm from the US, and I was required to confirm that my pics are safe for minors. I think AW is making everyone comply, regardless of nationality.
Surely there are similar laws and restrictions in the US? I know Chaturbate are strict about adhering to US obscenity rules. This makes me wonder how on earth MFC gets away things. Anyone of any age can see all sorts going on in free chat. Are there not age restrictions on pornography is the US? If so, why are MFC allowing it and how are they getting away with it? And if there are US restrictions which seem to have no effect on MFC's business then why do we think UK restrictions will?
We have age restrictions on porn, and we have obscenity laws (in many places I think they are actually stricter than the UK). We just aren't that strict with enforcement, so unless it involves kids or something really serious like that, we don't tend to go after it too much. At least not out in the open - we may take behind the scenes measures like trying to require condoms or causing weird funding rules.
Despite our Puritanical streak, Americans really value personal liberty, and we tend to have an inflated sense of our "rights." I bet if you asked Americans whether they have a constitutional right to watch whatever porn they want on the internet, a bunch of them would say "Hell yes!," and a bunch more would say that it's not a constitutional right, but it should be. Then they'd add a side note about "except for, you know, porn with kids or animals or non-consent or... any of that really weird shit that I would never personally watch." LOL!
What's going on in the UK is really scary. I understand wanting to keep porn away from kids, but it's frightening that a government agency is effectively coercing banks into not processing certain transactions, and possibly forcing ISPs into doing some heavy internet censoring.
CatBBW
12-01-2014, 10:30 AM
Awf admin was a bit quick to send that email. Aw aren't going to ban anyone (afaik!!) but to comply with the new UK regs UK providers have to ensure nothing r18 is in free to view, non age verified areas. It's only us that have to do this, not all countries :(
From their Help articles:
If you tick the box to certify that the free to view areas of your profile contain no images that are inappropriate for minors and then inappropriate images are found, your membership will be terminated.
http://www.adultwork.com/dlgKBArticle.asp?ArticleID=715
Blonde-Ambition
12-01-2014, 12:53 PM
are underboob pics ok? or are they considered inapprioate?
CurvyWinona
12-01-2014, 01:07 PM
I have few regulars from UK who like to see me on SM and buys my clips on my C4S and others. It would really suck if I lose them.