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Victoria_Gray
01-09-2020, 09:09 PM
I'd agree that 2019 sucked, but for me the issues started in 2018. In 2016 and 2017, I was making more money logging in less time. NiteFlirt isn't the only site I work, but I've also seen a decline in my income on Talk To Me (where I made less than $100 in 2019), Phrendly ($1749.98 in 2017, $737.72 in 2018 and $120.65 in 2019) and elsewhere.
That sucks. Why do you think this decline is happening?
Midwest-Mistress
01-10-2020, 07:09 AM
I have content of a few pornstars from when they first started out. And I also have content from people who may have done a few photosets before becoming a cammodel. I decided to retire those sets because it didn't feel right to me. It's a tricky situation and to me it wasn't worth it.
Now the pornstar content can be useful especially if they have an affiliate program. That's not gonna help with NF, but it's an option. You can also crop their faces if they're well known. Pretending to be a famous performer is kinda silly.
Thank you for your response, you're right haha that does seem kinda silly to use a well known girl thus why I'm prompted to use an unknown model over anything else haha. ;D An affiliate program from the model or from the phone site?
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-10-2020, 07:46 AM
Thank you for your response, you're right haha that does seem kinda silly to use a well known girl thus why I'm prompted to use an unknown model over anything else haha. ;D An affiliate program from the model or from the phone site?
I was referring to an affiliate program for the model. Many of them use to have solo girl sites. Some are starting to ditch those for OnlyFans however. I came upon solo girl sites by accident when I purchased some content for a Phonesex line. One day I saw her on Twitter and it turned out I had bought some of her vintage stuff. So I joined her affiliate program and used the content to get signups. No one else was using those photosets and that made it easy to get conversions.
I only mention this because it's an additional way to make money from the cheap outdated stuff that's for sale. You can crop or blur the face on NF and then use the unedited pics for affiliate sites. Some pornstars we'll even help you. ♥️
izshadow
01-10-2020, 10:01 AM
That sucks. Why do you think this decline is happening?
No one is really sure but I know for me, I noticed in back when they were really really pushing us to do affiliate marketing. So my theory is they stopped marketing and are soley relying on us to market for them. You would think by now they would have seen this as a not so smart move and a decline in income but who knows.
Spemily
01-10-2020, 10:15 AM
That sucks. Why do you think this decline is happening?
It's really hard to say because the sites we work on don't give us any access to the information that would allow us to figure out what's going on. It's possible that there's been a large rise in new people signing up to work on these sites, which increases the pool of people available to call, leading to increased competition. It's possible that the number of customers visiting the sites has declined. Both of these things could be happening at once.
There are many possible explanations for why either of those things could be happening. The vast majority of my customers are American and there have been upticks and downticks in the consumer confidence index over the last few years, but nothing that coincides with a rapid 3 year decline. Consumer spending, including on non-essential services, is also generally trending upwards. So the answer doesn't appear to lie in a general economic spending slowdown.
It's possible that customers are shifting their money away from phone sex to something else, like camming or custom videos. Or maybe there's been a decrease in the willingness to pay for pornography overall.
Another potential explanation is that sites have started advertising less. They might have done the math and realized they can make the same profit without laying out a ton of money on ads. This would lead to the workers who advertise and promote themselves making the bulk of the money on the site, with a smaller share than before going to those of us who don't really do any outside promotion. My experience with other online platforms outside of sex work (Etsy, eBay) does seem to support this hypothesis.
If we knew what kind of traffic numbers NF was getting, how many new customers are joining, what proportion of people visit the site without signing up and how these numbers have been changing historically, it would give us a lot more insight into what is going on. I also wish I could know what kind of ad spend NF has right now, and where it is spending that money.
I'd also really like to know what proportion of NF's profits come from bidding vs taking their cut on our sales. Understanding this could go a long way towards explaining what motivates their behavior.
naughtybustyteen
01-10-2020, 10:30 AM
I feel super exposed & embrassed after i posted my numbers. Do anyone think it helped them or were you all wondering while the hell did she just post this information in public?
Here's the thing with having multiple characters on NF. You need a strategy to make it work, otherwise it might do more harm than good. I used to be all about more and more characters. At some point I was working 8 at the same time, but it didn't really make me more money. I was spreading myself too thin and it wasn't worth it at all. 2019 was the first year I worked with one character alone and I made more money doing that. Had it not been for personal issues, I would have easily doubled the previous year's income with just one character. I do have Goodies, but the income from that is only a fraction of what I made total.
This year I'm back with 3 more characters. I like the variety, and its been good for me judging from this week as my first work week of the year. I did 4 days, 4-6 hours a day (really just over 5 hours if that), and I've totalled nearly $600 in 4 days of work. Its not amazing, but I can see it working out. As for my strategy...for me its not biting off more than I can chew. I love working lots of character, but until I learn how to maximise each and every one of them, I'm going to keep it mild at 4 characters. Since last year my confidence with phone sex has really increased. I now know that I can make $100 without spending hours on the phone. Someone told me that 4-6 hours is enough time to spend on the phone a day, at first I didn't believe her even though she's an expert at this and is way more experienced than me, but I have come to see things her way. After 6 hours I get burnt out, so I do my best work in that 4-6 hour window and therefore I make the money I need to make. I set a goal of $100 per day or $120 on a busy day. I have made those goals with one character last year, and the same is true in 2020. I have even surpassed $120 a few times, and its not just through tributes, these are repeatable because I make sure I am affordable. My best character charges 99cents! I know some girls bank at 2.99 and believe me I am jelly, but I can only do what working for me and this is also coming from advice I got from an expert phone sex operator.
If you don't want to sell stuff, I totally understand. It can feel like a lot of work and I sometimes struggle to do both at the same time, but marketing yourself so that you always have a stream of new callers is a good idea. I'm in the process of doing that now and I'm hoping that by July, I wont have to worry about the phone ringing ever again.
I hope this rant was helpful! bye!
MaryElizabeth
01-10-2020, 04:39 PM
This is the NF profile that did best for me this year and TTM, between just those two its a tad under 28k.
My opinion is that guys can go toss coins at gals on Chaturbate, subscribe to porn, get cam shows and more. PhoneSex is just a smaller slice of sex-entertainment pie. In total guys are going to spend less money on phonesex so getting those dollars is harder and takes more clawing.
What works for me is having as many different profiles/phone services as I can manage. Signing in and out to all of them became such a pain I had to make use of a macro creator (https://www.macrocreator.com/) to automate certain tasks, have been using that more and more. Have been trying to automate sending a thank you message with a few keystrokes after every call but am getting hung up somewhere.
I do work some long, long hours, I have a target/goal that I try to hit every day of the year - except for like, xmas and superbowl sunday. And I will talk about anything, I really don't like talking to meth heads or about [things that will get this post banned by PhatGirl] but that's just part of the game. The rest of you will hang up or whatever on the really sick and twisted monsters so they all call me I think.
I often bid but not always. I never send out mass mailings, I never got anything out of them. I don't to social media at all. I'll send free minutes to a regular when I miss his call, or to the guys that stay on for the longest times. I never turn down calls or hustle to 'wrap things up', I had one caller say that the gals almost seem to want to end the call as soon as possible - dragging guys into longer calls is so, so important. And for all of you that don't like getting dic-pics what line of work do you think you are in? Tell him its suckable or rideable and get on with it.
I see myself as being a low rung sex worker with some pretty good computer skills. Every now and then I bust into the mid+ 90's percentile and it's like gulping candy while sitting in a bath of champagne and your feet are getting massaged. And I need to get on the program of making audios / writing erotica I think i could be really good at it. I started on NF looks like 2.5 years ago and I wish I could go back in time to when NF started and be one of those untouchable gals with tens of thousands of calls/stars that started in like, 2011. I manage to make more money each year, I start new profiles and kill old ones, test out new phone services, keep up with emerging kinks out there and yea, the bills get paid and money goes in the bank.
The downside is the grind is very, very real and sometimes it can almost feel like being fucking murdered by drowning. Just last night there was nothing doing and I was like "Did I not log back in?" but no, across the board for every listing everywhere it was dead. A couple times I have been near to weeping on my side because I wanted to end a call but I just stay charming and interested. He's jerking off and I am tottering on having a total breakdown. Don't ask me if I have made use of a bottle when nature calls so I don't interrupt the call. Sometimes the bad is really, really bad.
Maybe I'll come out the other side in a year or 2 with some enlightened, zen attitude about it all but at the moment its all about putting in the hours, playing the role, saying what the guys want to hear, sometimes it feels like I don't exist, I just say what they want me to say. Most of the time though I honestly like talking to the guys, most of them are decent and just want to cum and the number of nice guys far outnumbers the crazies.
Anyway, I could go on. Mostly check your landing page and make it interesting, give guys a reason to call. There are SOOOO many shit listings that are crap - "I'll talk about anything" is basically saying how unimaginative you are. I have a foot fetish one I sometimes turn on where the listing lovingly describes the soft tender skin of a woman's high arches, the way the heel gracefully curves, the women at the nail shop that you motherfucking know are talking about you but because its in whatever language you can't say anything......
Anyway, it can be done, hopefully 2020 treats you good/better
PS - My mouth, the profanity, yowza
PPS - Where was it shown top people making 250K ?
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https://i.imgur.com/fDHxGCs.jpg
queenelayliah
01-11-2020, 05:18 AM
I thought it was very brave of you to post and found it really interesting to see the difference - a drop of so much from 2018 to 2019 yikes.... that has got to be down to nf itself surely. I hope things improve for you. Thank you for posting that :)
^ Thank you for the well wishes, and I am glad my post was of value for you.
I'm really sorry you felt embarrassed. I saw your post this morning and kept it open, meaning to respond with my own numbers when I got home later in the day. I just came back to do it and saw you'd pared your post down.
I'd agree that 2019 sucked, but for me the issues started in 2018. In 2016 and 2017, I was making more money logging in less time. NiteFlirt isn't the only site I work, but I've also seen a decline in my income on Talk To Me (where I made less than $100 in 2019), Phrendly ($1749.98 in 2017, $737.72 in 2018 and $120.65 in 2019) and elsewhere.
^ yeah after i posted i felted naked, like super fucking exposed. Like i was showing to the world what a shitty pso i am. I also enjoyed looking at your posts. I agree with you in 2018, specifically around oct. 2018 is when I notice the affects of the slowdown. I only work ttm & uslove as well. I do not think i made over 11k across all sites this year. :( I constantly wonder if I am doing something wrong or if i am a bad pso.
Here's the thing with having multiple characters on NF. You need a strategy to make it work, otherwise it might do more harm than good. I used to be all about more and more characters.
2019 was the first year I worked with one character alone and I made more money doing that.
This year I'm back with 3 more characters. I like the variety, and its been good for me judging from this week as my first work week of the year. I did 4 days, 4-6 hours a day (really just over 5 hours if that), and I've totalled nearly $600 in 4 days of work. Its not amazing, but I can see it working out. As for my strategy...for me its not biting off more than I can chew. I love working lots of character, but until I learn how to maximise each and every one of them, I'm going to keep it mild at 4 characters. Since last year my confidence with phone sex has really increased. I now know that I can make $100 without spending hours on the phone. Someone told me that 4-6 hours is enough time to spend on the phone a day, at first I didn't believe her even though she's an expert at this and is way more experienced than me, but I have come to see things her way. After 6 hours I get burnt out, so I do my best work in that 4-6 hour window and therefore I make the money I need to make. I set a goal of $100 per day or $120 on a busy day. I have made those goals with one character last year, and the same is true in 2020. I have even surpassed $120 a few times, and its not just through tributes, these are repeatable because I make sure I am affordable. My best character charges 99cents! I know some girls bank at 2.99 and believe me I am jelly, but I can only do what working for me and this is also coming from advice I got from an expert phone sex operator.
If you don't want to sell stuff, I totally understand. It can feel like a lot of work and I sometimes struggle to do both at the same time, but marketing yourself so that you always have a stream of new callers is a good idea. I'm in the process of doing that now and I'm hoping that by July, I wont have to worry about the phone ringing ever again.
I hope this rant was helpful! bye!
^ I agree having multiple characters for some can make them feel spread thin. But for me personally I DEFINITELY need multiple characters to pay the bills. I wish I had made $600, currently I am in my second work week, week 1 Dec 31st-Jan. 6th., & week 2 Jan 7th- Jan. 13th. I do not think I made more than $200 for both weeks total. During the two weeks, most of the days I made $0, my listings were on 24/7, I was bidding, & I was bidding in popular & unpopular categories.
I would love to be able to hit my monetary goals like you almost everyday only working 4-6 hours a day. Fuck i would love just to make any money. In 2018 i could easily count on $500 weeks, in the beginning of 2019 It went down to $100 weeks. Now, i am happy if i get 1 fucking call. Sigh. If you dont mine me asking how much of the $600 you made this week came from purely phone sex? If more than 70% came from phone, do you do consultations lol.
Also how do you set a money goal and work towards it on niteflirt? I mean it is completely up to the customers if we make money that day. For example on ttm, if no one calls me or text me atleast I can jump on the chat & make some money. However on niteflirt, it is all up to the customer. I can send all the mass emails, all the free minutes, all the chats i want but if no one responds I dont make money that day. Which is starting to concur more often than i like.
I have also been thinking about marketing myself as well. Im thinking about starting a blog for my phone sex characters. Do you mind if I ask how you plan on marketing yourself?
What works for me is having as many different profiles/phone services as I can manage. Signing in and out to all of them became such a pain I had to make use of a macro creator (https://www.macrocreator.com/) to automate certain tasks, have been using that more and more. Have been trying to automate sending a thank you message with a few keystrokes after every call but am getting hung up somewhere.
I do work some long, long hours, I have a target/goal that I try to hit every day of the year - except for like, xmas and superbowl sunday.
I manage to make more money each year, I start new profiles and kill old ones, test out new phone services, keep up with emerging kinks out there and yea, the bills get paid and money goes in the bank.
....but at the moment its all about putting in the hours, playing the role, saying what the guys want to hear, sometimes it feels like I don't exist, I just say what they want me to say. Most of the time though I honestly like talking to the guys, most of them are decent and just want to cum and the number of nice guys far outnumbers the crazies.
Anyway, I could go on. Mostly check your landing page and make it interesting, give guys a reason to call. There are SOOOO many shit listings that are crap - "
Anyway, it can be done, hopefully 2020 treats you good/better
^ thanks for the website. I will check it out. When you mention try new phone services? What do you mean? Also when you start new profiles do make completely new characters change the name, pictures & everything? Do you delete your contact list or start anew when make new profiles?
I also like talking to my customers, dearly wish they would call more. Sigh also i think all of my profiles might be in what you call the shit listings that are crap. Sigh. Also do you do consultations for other pso?
Thank you for the well wishes. I hope 2020 goes well for all of us also.
Midwest-Mistress
01-11-2020, 06:50 AM
What works for me is having as many different profiles/phone services as I can manage. Signing in and out to all of them became such a pain I had to make use of a macro creator (https://www.macrocreator.com/) to automate certain tasks, have been using that more and more. Have been trying to automate sending a thank you message with a few keystrokes after every call but am getting hung up somewhere.
I've been doing SW for 4 years, but recently just found my groove in phone sex last year. I've always been a techy but never knew about hot keys!
:magnify:
I just made the switch from Safari, & Chrome to Vivaladi browser and it is god send! What are some typical automations you utilize on NF or even TTM? Is there a thread on this? If not I'd love for us to collaborate ideas of how to make mundane tasks easier, I think that might be a reason why admin tasks seems daunting - to me lol. All last year I was so horrible on TTM, kept forgetting to send thank you messages (never wrote out a template), never messaged clients unless they initiate - ops, no goody bags/galleries, nor audio... That needs to change this year, want to be my accountability partner?
:chat:
We need a PSO accountablity thread STAT
caramelcraze
01-11-2020, 09:07 AM
I ended up in the 90th percentile all said and done on NF last year. pretty happy as it was over double earnings wise what I did the year previous.
MaryElizabeth
01-12-2020, 03:33 AM
When you start new profiles do make completely new characters change the name, pictures & everything? Do you delete your contact list or start anew when make new profiles?
Go to the back of this thread and read everything, (and the TTM one) pretty sure that all this in there, its a couple hours to go through but there is a lot of goodness in there, maybe read it twice.
For NF you can change the entirety of your listings, the heading name, all the information. Your stars and reviews will remain but the rest you can change, well, you can't change the category. Make a new profile, swap everything over and see how the new one does. Guys save/favorite tons of profiles and often don't know if they have called or not, so no one is going to even notice. Starting from scratch sucks and carrying over stars helps a ton, keep the contacts. I'll put something up, see how it does and if its a dud I can copy / paste everything back, that way I can have a new listing towards the top of the category with smallish bids. Sometimes "new girl" money can be good.
If no one is calling your listing its because it doesn't give guys a reason to call and your approach doesn't work for you. If you have listings that go days without calls they are not worth keeping. Sorry to say - whatever you are doing now isn't working, how long are you going to smash your face against that rock? I get it, NF is very, VERY sink or swim, it can be a brutal and unkind playground.
I see listings and think "I could never be like that" , I'm bad at being mean and tearing guys down, I just don't have it in me to do that. Gentle teasing I can do but really ripping people down is not my game. You have to find the route that works for you.
I'mEveToo
01-12-2020, 12:21 PM
i think all of my profiles might be in what you call the shit listings that are crap. Sigh. Also do you do consultations for other pso?
I do pretty well on Niteflirt and I think if you believe your profiles aren't good that's probably most of the reason you aren't getting calls. You can market to get more looks at your profile but it's the profile that will make them call or keep moving.
I hate writing profile text, it's hard for me and takes time, but I've had lots of callers comment on mine and say that what I wrote prompted them to call. I think it's more than worth it to really think about your character and write some text that's unique and titillating and stops the (horny) reader in his tracks. It can take time to come up with this and get it right but even just changing the listing title to something provocative can be a good start.
I also think it's good to make your character, or at least each listing, very topic or fetish specific. When you're not getting calls, it may seem like you want to cast a wide net and take the "I love lots of things" approach but that doesn't catch the caller's attention the way you writing something very specific about his particular fetish does.
The callers want to believe you're as into whatever-fetish-it-is as they are. They're bored and jaded. They've done dozens of bland calls with Flirts who sound like they're reading from a script. So when they read listings, they're skeptical. But they're always hoping to find a really hot connection with someone who shares their kink. So if your character or listing is about cuckolding or pantyhose or anal or whatever, you want your listing text to sound like you're panting over the thought of it as you write it. You want him to read it and think "wow THIS woman gets it".
Victoria_Gray
01-12-2020, 10:04 PM
No one is really sure but I know for me, I noticed in back when they were really really pushing us to do affiliate marketing. So my theory is they stopped marketing and are soley relying on us to market for them. You would think by now they would have seen this as a not so smart move and a decline in income but who knows.
I have heard this before, and it makes sense. Doesn't make it any more palatable though. UGH.
Victoria_Gray
01-12-2020, 10:11 PM
It's really hard to say because the sites we work on don't give us any access to the information that would allow us to figure out what's going on. It's possible that there's been a large rise in new people signing up to work on these sites, which increases the pool of people available to call, leading to increased competition. It's possible that the number of customers visiting the sites has declined. Both of these things could be happening at once.
There are many possible explanations for why either of those things could be happening. The vast majority of my customers are American and there have been upticks and downticks in the consumer confidence index over the last few years, but nothing that coincides with a rapid 3 year decline. Consumer spending, including on non-essential services, is also generally trending upwards. So the answer doesn't appear to lie in a general economic spending slowdown.
It's possible that customers are shifting their money away from phone sex to something else, like camming or custom videos. Or maybe there's been a decrease in the willingness to pay for pornography overall.
Another potential explanation is that sites have started advertising less. They might have done the math and realized they can make the same profit without laying out a ton of money on ads. This would lead to the workers who advertise and promote themselves making the bulk of the money on the site, with a smaller share than before going to those of us who don't really do any outside promotion. My experience with other online platforms outside of sex work (Etsy, eBay) does seem to support this hypothesis.
If we knew what kind of traffic numbers NF was getting, how many new customers are joining, what proportion of people visit the site without signing up and how these numbers have been changing historically, it would give us a lot more insight into what is going on. I also wish I could know what kind of ad spend NF has right now, and where it is spending that money.
I'd also really like to know what proportion of NF's profits come from bidding vs taking their cut on our sales. Understanding this could go a long way towards explaining what motivates their behavior.
Thank you for your well thought out response.
I do outside promotion (social media, a blog) and I find that a good proportion if people find me through those outside avenues. Some are already on the platforms, but find me elsewhere then contact me through the platforms, and others are affiliate referrals of mine. It's a shame affiliate deals aren't very good though. Giving someone $50 as a once-off for a customer who might be on the platform for years and years isn't fair. I had a guy call me the other day who had been on NF since like 2001 or something, whoever referred him - if someone did - really didn't get their money's worth.
I wonder about the people moving away from phone sex... on another website I am on, a glitch led the system to start promoting me as a cammer and it wasn't until the 3rd person in half an hour was losing their temper at not being able to see me on cam that I realized what had happened. In that same half an hour, I didn't receive any phone calls, as is the norm over there.
Victoria_Gray
01-12-2020, 10:20 PM
This is the NF profile that did best for me this year and TTM, between just those two its a tad under 28k.
My opinion is that guys can go toss coins at gals on Chaturbate, subscribe to porn, get cam shows and more. PhoneSex is just a smaller slice of sex-entertainment pie. In total guys are going to spend less money on phonesex so getting those dollars is harder and takes more clawing.
What works for me is having as many different profiles/phone services as I can manage. Signing in and out to all of them became such a pain I had to make use of a macro creator (https://www.macrocreator.com/) to automate certain tasks, have been using that more and more. Have been trying to automate sending a thank you message with a few keystrokes after every call but am getting hung up somewhere.
I do work some long, long hours, I have a target/goal that I try to hit every day of the year - except for like, xmas and superbowl sunday. And I will talk about anything, I really don't like talking to meth heads or about [things that will get this post banned by PhatGirl] but that's just part of the game. The rest of you will hang up or whatever on the really sick and twisted monsters so they all call me I think.
I often bid but not always. I never send out mass mailings, I never got anything out of them. I don't to social media at all. I'll send free minutes to a regular when I miss his call, or to the guys that stay on for the longest times. I never turn down calls or hustle to 'wrap things up', I had one caller say that the gals almost seem to want to end the call as soon as possible - dragging guys into longer calls is so, so important. And for all of you that don't like getting dic-pics what line of work do you think you are in? Tell him its suckable or rideable and get on with it.
I see myself as being a low rung sex worker with some pretty good computer skills. Every now and then I bust into the mid+ 90's percentile and it's like gulping candy while sitting in a bath of champagne and your feet are getting massaged. And I need to get on the program of making audios / writing erotica I think i could be really good at it. I started on NF looks like 2.5 years ago and I wish I could go back in time to when NF started and be one of those untouchable gals with tens of thousands of calls/stars that started in like, 2011. I manage to make more money each year, I start new profiles and kill old ones, test out new phone services, keep up with emerging kinks out there and yea, the bills get paid and money goes in the bank.
The downside is the grind is very, very real and sometimes it can almost feel like being fucking murdered by drowning. Just last night there was nothing doing and I was like "Did I not log back in?" but no, across the board for every listing everywhere it was dead. A couple times I have been near to weeping on my side because I wanted to end a call but I just stay charming and interested. He's jerking off and I am tottering on having a total breakdown. Don't ask me if I have made use of a bottle when nature calls so I don't interrupt the call. Sometimes the bad is really, really bad.
Maybe I'll come out the other side in a year or 2 with some enlightened, zen attitude about it all but at the moment its all about putting in the hours, playing the role, saying what the guys want to hear, sometimes it feels like I don't exist, I just say what they want me to say. Most of the time though I honestly like talking to the guys, most of them are decent and just want to cum and the number of nice guys far outnumbers the crazies.
Anyway, I could go on. Mostly check your landing page and make it interesting, give guys a reason to call. There are SOOOO many shit listings that are crap - "I'll talk about anything" is basically saying how unimaginative you are. I have a foot fetish one I sometimes turn on where the listing lovingly describes the soft tender skin of a woman's high arches, the way the heel gracefully curves, the women at the nail shop that you motherfucking know are talking about you but because its in whatever language you can't say anything......
Anyway, it can be done, hopefully 2020 treats you good/better
PS - My mouth, the profanity, yowza
PPS - Where was it shown top people making 250K ?
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https://i.imgur.com/fDHxGCs.jpg
Thank you for sitting down and writing all that out, very insightful! Also, congrats on the fab earnings month! :)
Victoria_Gray
01-12-2020, 10:28 PM
I do pretty well on Niteflirt and I think if you believe your profiles aren't good that's probably most of the reason you aren't getting calls. You can market to get more looks at your profile but it's the profile that will make them call or keep moving.
I hate writing profile text, it's hard for me and takes time, but I've had lots of callers comment on mine and say that what I wrote prompted them to call. I think it's more than worth it to really think about your character and write some text that's unique and titillating and stops the (horny) reader in his tracks. It can take time to come up with this and get it right but even just changing the listing title to something provocative can be a good start.
I also think it's good to make your character, or at least each listing, very topic or fetish specific. When you're not getting calls, it may seem like you want to cast a wide net and take the "I love lots of things" approach but that doesn't catch the caller's attention the way you writing something very specific about his particular fetish does.
The callers want to believe you're as into whatever-fetish-it-is as they are. They're bored and jaded. They've done dozens of bland calls with Flirts who sound like they're reading from a script. So when they read listings, they're skeptical. But they're always hoping to find a really hot connection with someone who shares their kink. So if your character or listing is about cuckolding or pantyhose or anal or whatever, you want your listing text to sound like you're panting over the thought of it as you write it. You want him to read it and think "wow THIS woman gets it".
See, the text is not the problem for me. Taking decent fresh pics when you have only your phone camera to do selfies and about 10,000 other things to do is.
I will be putting up more listings soon, because NF seems to attract lots of kinksters, and being a kinkster/domme myself, I have no trouble working that over doing more vanilla calls. It's just time to get those pics and put the listings up.
But, this is part of the hustle, I get it.
izshadow
01-13-2020, 03:03 PM
I hate the catch 22 feeling. I no longer sell my Skype ID. They have to call to get it.
I know I'm missing shows but its sooooooooooo nice not dealing with time wasters and those with a million questions before we even get connected.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2020, 03:21 PM
I hate the catch 22 feeling. I no longer sell my Skype ID. They have to call to get it.
I know I'm missing shows but its sooooooooooo nice not dealing with time wasters and those with a million questions before we even get connected.
Think about it this way...just because they ask a million questions that doesn't mean you have to answer them. Also once you've become contacts you now have the ability to hit them up whenever you feel like it. You no longer have to wait until they log into NF to get your message. Let them know on Skype when you have new content or are available for shows. Make small talk and then give them the sales pitch.
And before anyone goes...BUT that means I have to INTERACT with them even more!! ... that's a great way to connect and make more money.
Yes it's a Catch 22, but the solution should be a no-brainer if one choice makes significantly more money.
izshadow
01-13-2020, 04:29 PM
Think about it this way...just because they ask a million questions that doesn't mean you have to answer them. Also once you've become contacts you now have the ability to hit them up whenever you feel like it. You no longer have to wait until they log into NF to get your message. Let them know on Skype when you have new content or are available for shows. Make small talk and then give them the sales pitch.
And before anyone goes...BUT that means I have to INTERACT with them even more!! ... that's a great way to connect and make more money.
Yes it's a Catch 22, but the solution should be a no-brainer if one choice makes significantly more money.
It also is against NF policy to interact with them in any way off the NF platform and guys will ignore that to and push. Just like some do that push tributes only and require banning cause it also is against NF policy to accept tributes for cam shows.
yesmisslibby
01-13-2020, 04:57 PM
I feel super exposed & embrassed after i posted my numbers. Do anyone think it helped them or were you all wondering while the hell did she just post this information in public?
I think it's helpful!
I'm super new to all this. I started in late June. I only have the one character. I use content photos but I'm basically just an idealized version of myself on calls. I do mostly domme and feminization calls. I don't do a ton of chat because I find it more difficult, and a lot of what guys like about me doesn't come across in text. All my listings are always $1.99
Anyway from June thru December my total earnings were $12 121.24 (86% calls, 9% chat, 4% tribute).
Also worth mentioning, I can't find anywhere where it's really summed up the way earnings are, but I've spent around $400/month on click charges and significantly more in October and November, though I'm toning it down now.
edit: I forgot to say, I'm usually available whenever I'm awake and at home, up to 12 hours at a time, and i take about 2 or 3 "weekends" a month where i take 2 days off in a row at arbitrary times when i feel like i need it. and i don't do any outside promotion though i tried twitter for a bit.
Unrelated but while I'm here: Do any of you work on Keen or any other psychic/advice sites? They're built on the same model as phone sex and I've been thinking of making that the next string to my bow, rather than joining ttm or whatever.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2020, 05:20 PM
It also is against NF policy to interact with them in any way off the NF platform and guys will ignore that to and push. Just like some do that push tributes only and require banning cause it also is against NF policy to accept tributes for cam shows.
I'm sure you'll do what's best for you. ♥️
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2020, 05:31 PM
I think it's helpful!
I'm super new to all this. I started in late June. I only have the one character. I use content photos but I'm basically just an idealized version of myself on calls. I do mostly domme and feminization calls. I don't do a ton of chat because I find it more difficult, and a lot of what guys like about me doesn't come across in text. All my listings are always $1.99
Anyway from June thru December my total earnings were $12 121.24 (86% calls, 9% chat, 4% tribute).
Also worth mentioning, I can't find anywhere where it's really summed up the way earnings are, but I've spent around $400/month on click charges and significantly more in October and November, though I'm toning it down now.
edit: I forgot to say, I'm usually available whenever I'm awake and at home, up to 12 hours at a time, and i take about 2 or 3 "weekends" a month where i take 2 days off in a row at arbitrary times when i feel like i need it. and i don't do any outside promotion though i tried twitter for a bit.
Unrelated but while I'm here: Do any of you work on Keen or any other psychic/advice sites? They're built on the same model as phone sex and I've been thinking of making that the next string to my bow, rather than joining ttm or whatever.
I think $400 a month for bidding is too high for that return, and I think it's great that you're planning on cutting that down. Consider spending more time on blogging and engagement. As for Keen, it's been a little slower this time of year than last. The interest for those sort of services is still there but it kinda fizzled on that platform for me. Also I didn't realize this but they now require a start up fee. If you're not already established then I'm not sure that it's worth it. In my opinion if you have the following that money is better spent creating a website, blogging etc. You can create a website with a domain name and hosting right now if you have $10. This thread is a gold mine on all of that stuff if you haven't gone through it yet.
It also is against NF policy to interact with them in any way off the NF platform and guys will ignore that to and push. Just like some do that push tributes only and require banning cause it also is against NF policy to accept tributes for cam shows.
This isn't accurate. Within the Flirt Policy itself Niteflirt acknowledges that flirts have personal sites social media etc. They further state that they don't control those interactions simply that if you link to them on your site you don't have ads for direct competitors or other means of payment. So the mere existence of this policy allows for offsite interaction to draw customers to NF. Telling a customer on Skype that you have new Goodies or available is not a violation of policy and I think Playfair would agree with me. If we could have outside interaction with customers we wouldn't be allowed to put our Twitter and personal websites on our flirt page and it states in the flirt policy that we can have links to personal sites and social media on our NF page.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
01-13-2020, 05:53 PM
This isn't accurate. Within the Flirt Policy itself Niteflirt acknowledges that flirts have personal sites social media etc. They further state that they don't control those interactions simply that if you link to them on your site you don't have ads for direct competitors or other means of payment. So the mere existence of this policy allows for offsite interaction to draw customers to NF. Telling a customer on Skype that you have new Goodies or available is not a violation of policy and I think Playfair would agree with me. If we could have outside interaction with customers we wouldn't be allowed to put our Twitter and personal websites on our flirt page and it states in the flirt policy that we can have links to personal sites and social media on our NF page.
Just to add on for clarity, you aren't supposed to link to any Social Media accounts that have competing services as well as websites. So if you have more than a NF Profile or a NF Compliant Website linked in your bio on Twitter, then they will tell you to remove the link from your listing. How will they know if this is even happening some may wonder? Other Flirts will police your listings and report you.
yesmisslibby
01-13-2020, 06:47 PM
You can create a website with a domain name and hosting right now if you have $10. This thread is a gold mine on all of that stuff if you haven't gone through it yet.
The reason I haven't made a website for my character (and I do have other sites I run for unrelated purposes) is because I'm afraid that my registration of the site would let people link my character to my real name, address etc. If you tell me again to just read the thread that's fair, I haven't done that yet, but if anyone has dealt with this is doxxing a valid concern?
Staci
01-13-2020, 06:55 PM
The reason I haven't made a website for my character (and I do have other sites I run for unrelated purposes) is because I'm afraid that my registration of the site would let people link my character to my real name, address etc. If you tell me again to just read the thread that's fair, I haven't done that yet, but if anyone has dealt with this is doxxing a valid concern?
Use private registration (free on NameCheap).
queenelayliah
01-13-2020, 07:07 PM
I think it's helpful!
I'm super new to all this. I started in late June. I only have the one character. I use content photos
Anyway from June thru December my total earnings were $12 121.24 (86% calls, 9% chat, 4% tribute).
^Okay wow 12 grand within 7 months, a newbie, about 12 hours of availability, with only 1 profile & content pictures. Congratulations.
On a side note
WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?!!
I swear if i had other means to make money i would quit. 2 years its now been & I’m still fucking up.
SuperPookie
01-14-2020, 12:39 PM
^Okay wow 12 grand within 7 months, a newbie, about 12 hours of availability, with only 1 profile & content pictures. Congratulations.
On a side note
WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?!!
I swear if i had other means to make money i would quit. 2 years its now been & I’m still fucking up.
Holy crap that is good! My earning on NF have been increasing but not anywhere near that in the whole year I don't think
SapphireXO
01-14-2020, 02:04 PM
I don't know how to post yearly stats with the % break down. I don't cam full time or even part time so I can't tell how many hours I was logged in total even. The end of 2018 was wildly busy for me when I first started. I think they just love fresh meat because after 5 months --- completely went downhill for me traffic wise. I basically made what I made in 2 months in 2018 for all of 2019.
Smurfette
01-14-2020, 03:12 PM
I do well on NF just by treating it like any other camsite. My profile is me, and I primarily do phone with cam, but I also have a phone only profile. I usually get lots of calls and traffic whenever I update my profile and change my photos, it lasts for a few days or weeks, then dies down again. Right now the site is being very inconsistent; yesterday I was slammed with back to back calls, today it's deader than a doornail. It's been going back and forth like this for months now, it seems.
Victoria_Gray
01-15-2020, 12:53 AM
yesterday I was slammed with back to back calls, today it's deader than a doornail. It's been going back and forth like this for months now, it seems.
Yep. Feels like my experience with every site ever. Hang in there.
queenelayliah
01-15-2020, 01:45 AM
^Okay wow 12 grand within 7 months, a newbie, about 12 hours of availability, with only 1 profile & content pictures. Congratulations.
On a side note
WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG?!!
I swear if i had other means to make money i would quit. 2 years its now been & I’m still fucking up.
^
Holy crap that is good! My earning on NF have been increasing but not anywhere near that in the whole year I don't think
Okay glad im not the only one who thought that was really good. I had an entire little pity party for 8 hours crying & doubting myself. Then 4 hours of brainstorming, i even brought 2 consultations from amberly because i was feeling so bad.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 03:14 AM
I'm not sure why you are confused about what you are doing wrong. From reading your posts, all you do is log in and make yourself available to take calls. You are getting exactly the kind of results that that amount of effort will yield. Unfortunately, people think that Niteflirt is a dispatch company. The Niteflirt system is purposely set up so that if you are not advertising onsite or offsite you WILL fail. You need to advertise and promote yourself in order to make good money on Niteflirt. There are no shortcuts.
^
Okay glad im not the only one who thought that was really good. I had an entire little pity party for 8 hours crying & doubting myself. Then 4 hours of brainstorming, i even brought 2 consultations from amberly because i was feeling so bad.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 03:24 AM
Also, Amberly offers very good advice, but her advice is really geared towards the phone sex operator who wants to be an audio content creator as well. She is really focused on creating audio clips and selling them on Niteflirt and the major clip sites. If all you want to do is take live calls, her advice is not going to be very useful to you.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 03:31 AM
Lastly, what are you doing with the callers who add you to their "Favorites List"? What are you doing with them before they call? What are you doing with your customers after they call you? How are you interacting with them after the sale? How are you keeping them engaged? Your Customer List is a gold mine. I dislike many things about Niteflirt, but one thing they have is one of the best Customer List Management systems out of all the other platforms. Learn how to use your Customer List effectively and you will always make good money on Niteflirt.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 10:14 AM
Not everyone is cut out to be an independent phone sex operator. If you do not know how to create websites, write blogs, produce content, and market you are not going to earn top income as an independent phone sex operator. Niteflirt is designed for people who understand the indy hustle. If you cannot learn how to do any of these things, I might have a dispatch phone sex company for you.
Arwen25
01-15-2020, 10:27 AM
I do well on NF just by treating it like any other camsite. My profile is me, and I primarily do phone with cam, but I also have a phone only profile. I usually get lots of calls and traffic whenever I update my profile and change my photos, it lasts for a few days or weeks, then dies down again. Right now the site is being very inconsistent; yesterday I was slammed with back to back calls, today it's deader than a doornail. It's been going back and forth like this for months now, it seems.
This is exactly what I do. I'm me on there, with a few different listings.
Am I the only one who finds the line so bad at times that the guys give up? I've tried loudspeaker, normal, everything. It's such a shame and a bit frustrating!
yesmisslibby
01-15-2020, 11:46 AM
Am I the only one who finds the line so bad at times that the guys give up? I've tried loudspeaker, normal, everything. It's such a shame and a bit frustrating!
Omg the worst. Having to repeat yourself saying super awkward stuff. I ask them to hang up and call back, and often we get a better connection.
Smurfette
01-15-2020, 12:25 PM
Yeah sometimes it's really bad. But I don't have the greatest internet connection so I'm never sure if it's my fault or NF's (I use MagicApp for phone which uses the internet).
Arwen25
01-15-2020, 01:17 PM
It's annoying! I don't know if it's just that I'm in the UK so the distance or whatever..but I don't have it with cheaper sites annoyingly (typically lol). I'll encourage them to call back next time -thanks for the tip on that, Libby! x
xxxGothBarbie
01-15-2020, 06:22 PM
Ugh Skype has locked me out of my account saying I violated their terms. Do you gals just make a new one or just go with Discord? It's pretty shitty when i realized it bc I was on a NF call & he wanted to cam :(
Red Velvette
01-15-2020, 07:13 PM
I think it's helpful!
I'm super new to all this. I started in late June. I only have the one character. I use content photos but I'm basically just an idealized version of myself on calls. I do mostly domme and feminization calls. I don't do a ton of chat because I find it more difficult, and a lot of what guys like about me doesn't come across in text. All my listings are always $1.99
Anyway from June thru December my total earnings were $12 121.24 (86% calls, 9% chat, 4% tribute).
Also worth mentioning, I can't find anywhere where it's really summed up the way earnings are, but I've spent around $400/month on click charges and significantly more in October and November, though I'm toning it down now.
edit: I forgot to say, I'm usually available whenever I'm awake and at home, up to 12 hours at a time, and i take about 2 or 3 "weekends" a month where i take 2 days off in a row at arbitrary times when i feel like i need it. and i don't do any outside promotion though i tried twitter for a bit.
Unrelated but while I'm here: Do any of you work on Keen or any other psychic/advice sites? They're built on the same model as phone sex and I've been thinking of making that the next string to my bow, rather than joining ttm or whatever.
I work on Keen. I love it!!
izshadow
01-15-2020, 08:45 PM
Ugh Skype has locked me out of my account saying I violated their terms. Do you gals just make a new one or just go with Discord? It's pretty shitty when i realized it bc I was on a NF call & he wanted to cam :(
This always gives me such anxiety that I'll eventually get shut down to. I miss back in the day when we all used eyeball instead. Try making a new one. I see girls all the time having their photos say "new skype ID"... I personally cant get with Discord and I know the clients I have wouldnt either. Its just way to confusing to me. I know some people wont get why it is since its not to them but it is to me.
xxxGothBarbie
01-15-2020, 09:03 PM
This always gives me such anxiety that I'll eventually get shut down to. I miss back in the day when we all used eyeball instead. Try making a new one. I see girls all the time having their photos say "new skype ID"... I personally cant get with Discord and I know the clients I have wouldnt either. Its just way to confusing to me. I know some people wont get why it is since its not to them but it is to me.
I can't get into legal trouble if i keep making new ones & using it for cam calls can I? Is this a normal thing to happen alot with skype?
queenelayliah
01-15-2020, 10:11 PM
I'm not sure why you are confused about what you are doing wrong. From reading your posts, all you do is log in and make yourself available to take calls. You are getting exactly the kind of results that that amount of effort will yield. Unfortunately, people think that Niteflirt is a dispatch company. The Niteflirt system is purposely set up so that if you are not advertising onsite or offsite you WILL fail. You need to advertise and promote yourself in order to make good money on Niteflirt. There are no shortcuts.
Also, Amberly offers very good advice, but her advice is really geared towards the phone sex operator who wants to be an audio content creator as well. She is really focused on creating audio clips and selling them on Niteflirt and the major clip sites. If all you want to do is take live calls, her advice is not going to be very useful to you.
Lastly, what are you doing with the callers who add you to their "Favorites List"? What are you doing with them before they call? What are you doing with your customers after they call you? How are you interacting with them after the sale? How are you keeping them engaged? Your Customer List is a gold mine. I dislike many things about Niteflirt, but one thing they have is one of the best Customer List Management systems out of all the other platforms. Learn how to use your Customer List effectively and you will always make good money on Niteflirt.
Not everyone is cut out to be an independent phone sex operator. If you do not know how to create websites, write blogs, produce content, and market you are not going to earn top income as an independent phone sex operator. Niteflirt is designed for people who understand the indy hustle. If you cannot learn how to do any of these things, I might have a dispatch phone sex company for you.
First thank you for commenting.
To answer your questions. Yes I do bid and keep my listings in the top 6 pages.
1) When a caller adds me to their favorite list. I send them a thank you note and that i hope to speak to them soon. I also ask them what their favorite fetish is.
2) I dont do anything with them before i call, because I have any goodies to sell or anything. So after the thank you note for favoriting i dont do anything else.
3) After the call sometimes I send 1 free minute towards there next call and tell them how much I enjoyed their call.
4) I’m learning on how to keep them engaged.
You are absolutely correct I do need to learn so much. Especially how to create websites, write blogs, produce content, and market. I am actively trying to learn, find a mentor and improve myself. However its hard as fuck to find a mentor & material thats recent & geared towards the adult industry. Im trying everyday how to learn these things & improve. I will soon be downloading the few pso help books on amazon.
Thats why i read this thread, ask questions and learn. Now along the way my post shows how unclear, insecure and confused I am because thats my current emotional state & I’m venting my frustrations.
If the dispatch company you know is not phone sex kingdom or uslove. I would love to receive that information.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 10:44 PM
Just going to address a few of your mistakes
1. If you are not bidding to be on Page 1, Page 2, or Page 3 you are wasting your money. Might as well not bid at all.
2. You are not working the "Favorite List" additions correctly. You have not given your customer anything of value in order to be enticed into making a purchasing decision.
3. Marketing is marketing. You don't need any books specific to the adult industry. SEO is SEO. Get general books on business marketing, online marketing, email marketing. The principles are basically the same regardless of the industry.
EricaErotica
01-15-2020, 11:32 PM
Also check your private messages. I sent you information on the type of dispatch company I think would work for you. Right now it does not seem like you are earning much income. You need to just take calls for the next 6 - 12 months. You need a busy dispatch company. I sent you one company's website link. Check out their website and requirements. I can send you information on another similar company. Let me know if you would like that.
Victoria_Gray
01-16-2020, 12:41 AM
Also check your private messages. I sent you information on the type of dispatch company I think would work for you. Right now it does not seem like you are earning much income. You need to just take calls for the next 6 - 12 months. You need a busy dispatch company. I sent you one company's website link. Check out their website and requirements. I can send you information on another similar company. Let me know if you would like that.
Something I would add, if anyone - not just the person this is being said to - wanted to work a dispatch line in addition to NF or whatever, you could do both. The more they did dispatch, the more their phone sex skills would improve while they learned how to make NF and other sites work for them. A hybrid model is possible.
EricaErotica
01-16-2020, 03:52 AM
Not everyone is capable of handling marketing and customer relationship management. Many people make the mistake of joining NF because they think it is a high paying dispatch company. It is not. Some people need to ONLY work dispatch lines. By doing this, they free themselves to do what they do best. TAKE CALLS. By working the right combination of dispatch lines this operator and others can make $500 - $800 per week.
The lady who I am giving this advice to probably has excellent phone sex skills. She is currently working for a couple dispatch companies and is maintaining those contracts. Her phone sex skills are NOT the issue here. She KNOWS how to be a PSO.
Her Niteflirt earnings for 2018 were actually decent. She was averaging $1000 per month on Niteflirt. On Niteflirt, a PSO utilizing basic marketing/advertising can make $1000 - $2000 per month. But the right type of marketing/advertising efforts need to be implemented to even make that. For many operators, who need money and need money NOW this is not going to be the best way to use your time.
Most business people fail at marketing and will always fail at marketing because they do not understand how involved it is. They do something once and think they are done. NOPE. WRONG. Marketing is a DAILY activity. Marketing efforts need to be researched, designed, implemented, analyzed and quantified. If you do not have the ability to do this at least weekly do not market. You are wasting your efforts. Focus on what you can actually do well EVERY SINGLE DAY. For your true PSO, the focus should be on JUST TAKING CALLS.
Amberly is so successful because she knows her strengths. She is a marketing machine. Amberly is NOT a true PSO. She is a digital content creator and marketer. It's funny that most PSOs do NOT understand this. I think this might be the case because her book's title is misleading. And probably on purpose. It needs to be renamed to be "How To Make $10,000 A Month As A Clip Creator And Clip Marketer". I used to work at some of the world's biggest marketing communications firms. What Amberly does (from a marketing perspective) reminds me of exactly what we used to do for our Fortune 500 clients. I have a subscription to her website and AVN Stars. Her information is VERY good, but for a variety of reasons (I am not going to get into them) this information is not going to help your average PSO.
Something I would add, if anyone - not just the person this is being said to - wanted to work a dispatch line in addition to NF or whatever, you could do both. The more they did dispatch, the more their phone sex skills would improve while they learned how to make NF and other sites work for them. A hybrid model is possible.
EricaErotica
01-16-2020, 04:18 AM
I know phone sex operators who have done ONLY dispatch for like the last 15 - 20 years. They do this NOT because they "need to improve" their phone sex skills. They do this because they have amazing phone sex skills. They are true PSOs. Any thing other than giving "good phone" is a poor use of their skills and their talents. And they have come to recognize this. They accept this fact. They just work dispatch and make EXCELLENT money working for the right combination of dispatch companies.