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arielbriel
04-04-2020, 04:33 PM
Personally, I never block any paying guys. So you made near to a hundred dollars off him, whats wrong with that?



Were I you I'd keep him around, I would even send him a "Thank you for everything, lots of girls get taken advantage of early on and you were a stand up guy and came through with the $ when you could have just blown me off, thank you very much. You broke my 'cam cherry' and made it fun - Please stay in touch, thanks again"

He didn't have to pay you but he did, that's better than 99% of guys. Rather than blocking him get creative, manipulative, be nice to him and flatter him and get another $500 out of him. In the next couple months I think the # of guys tossing around a hundred dollars is going to get a whole lot thinner.

The only thing ONLY thing that matters in this gig is how much you can take off the guys.

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If you want validation, dignity and respect you should find another line of work. You're doing low rung sex work, deal with it.

I swallow my pride a lot, let insults pass, avoid drama and keep my eye on making the money; $3 here, $100 there - whatever it takes. There is guy that calls me for 2-3 minutes a couple times a week and I've gotten $400 off of him. I have another guy, when he gets towards the end gets a bit nasty and abusive, calls me a bunch of names, gets a bit rape-ish and then hangs up with a slam. He tips and I send him a message thanking him for "treating me right". I've gotten about $400 off him and if he sickens me a bit it hardly matters, I'll still take his $50 every time.

These are callers that lots of Flirts would block but not me. I'll take the thousands of dollars from the creeps, cheap fucks, sick bastards, silent callers, guys that ask me to lower my rates, drug users and molesters that you all block and am totally happy about it. To a degree how much money are are going to make in this gig is relative to how much you are willing to wallow in and swallow the shit. I go as low as it gets, there is nothing I won't talk about and in the last couple years have plowed enough in the bank to live (if need be) with no income till, like, 2024. Having standards and self respect doesn't pay the bills.

Stay safe everyone.

I understand and you're right. I am reading pages in between calls. Currently on page 25 =D

I figured out the skype/call situation thanks to you girls.

Also, is there still a forum on NF? I can't find it..

I tried to do what you suggested but he had already blocked me back. Oh well :/

Spemily
04-04-2020, 07:27 PM
I understand and you're right. I am reading pages in between calls. Currently on page 25 =D

I figured out the skype/call situation thanks to you girls.

Also, is there still a forum on NF? I can't find it..

Yes, there's still a forum. From your account page, click in Flirt Help and then on Community Forums.

arielbriel
04-05-2020, 02:23 AM
Thanks! I'm now up to page 35 :D
Does anyone know anyone who can help me make a profile page all spruced up? I hit up two people and Marley off this thread and I haven't gotten a response yet from any of them. I haven't done HTML since I was in HS 15 years ago and I would just rather pay someone to hook me up haha.

kortneykay
04-05-2020, 07:20 AM
Ugh I got scammed again! This dude called me and then hung up the NF call and kept me on skype for two hours =[ , in the end he agreed to tribute me $100 (70 for 2 hours..great)...I'm wondering if I should report him? He clearly scammed me he's like "oh well they hung up not me, I can cash app u $100 so you get everything...oh look im even helping you with your game..) Asshole.

Whenever you take calls, please, please, please put your phone on speaker. This saved me from scams. Had a few try it and as soon as NF disconnected so did my cam.

Yayayasmine
04-05-2020, 07:21 AM
I’m still catching up on the form so if this has been answered my bad. Can anyone explain why it’s so easy to lose money on this site? At the beginning of the week I was up to $75 and now I’m down to 19 and I think it’s because of people clicking my profile? I also placed bids on my listings to help promote them. I just don’t understand why I’m putting money on here and it’s getting taken away from my account without anybody giving me anything. I barely have enough money as it is and I just don’t understand why I’m losing money so fast. I tried to look at my transaction details and it’s not even explaining anything.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-05-2020, 07:32 AM
I’m still catching up on the form so if this has been answered my bad. Can anyone explain why it’s so easy to lose money on this site? At the beginning of the week I was up to $75 and now I’m down to 19 and I think it’s because of people clicking my profile? I also placed bids on my listings to help promote them. I just don’t understand why I’m putting money on here and it’s getting taken away from my account without anybody giving me anything. I barely have enough money as it is and I just don’t understand why I’m losing money so fast. I tried to look at my transaction details and it’s not even explaining anything.

NF has its own help section where you can find detailed answers on how the system works. You didn't set an experation for your bids and that's why you were charged for clicks all week long. Here's a passage for setting a bid experation:

highest amount you're willing to pay for a Qualified Click. When placing your bid, set a Maximum Bid that you can afford and will place your listing in a position that will maximize your return on investment (ROI). Remember, availability and the bids of your competitors are always changing, so choose a Maximum Bid that seems right for you. The minimum Maximum Bid amount is $0.01.

Remember that no matter what you bid, you'll pay the lowest possible amount for each qualified click.

E - Select “No Expiration” if you want your bid to be active whenever your listing is available. Or set a budget if you want to limit how much you spend on each bid. Your budget must be at least 3 times the amount of your Maximum Bid. For example, if your bid price is $2.00, you must enter a budget amount of at least $6.00. This is to ensure that your bid does not become inactive after just one click.

If you run out of money while your bid is active or your budget has been reached, your bid will become inactive. You'll need to earn more money or add money from your credit card in order to place a new bid.

After you’ve selected either “No Expiration” or have entered your budget, click "Continue."

Yayayasmine
04-05-2020, 07:33 AM
Thank you for the information!

Paradoxx
04-05-2020, 09:21 AM
Personally, I never block any paying guys. So you made near to a hundred dollars off him, whats wrong with that?



Were I you I'd keep him around, I would even send him a "Thank you for everything, lots of girls get taken advantage of early on and you were a stand up guy and came through with the $ when you could have just blown me off, thank you very much. You broke my 'cam cherry' and made it fun - Please stay in touch, thanks again"

He didn't have to pay you but he did, that's better than 99% of guys. Rather than blocking him get creative, manipulative, be nice to him and flatter him and get another $500 out of him. In the next couple months I think the # of guys tossing around a hundred dollars is going to get a whole lot thinner.

The only thing ONLY thing that matters in this gig is how much you can take off the guys.

If you want validation, dignity and respect you should find another line of work. You're doing low rung sex work, deal with it.

I swallow my pride a lot, let insults pass, avoid drama and keep my eye on making the money; $3 here, $100 there - whatever it takes. There is guy that calls me for 2-3 minutes a couple times a week and I've gotten $400 off of him. I have another guy, when he gets towards the end gets a bit nasty and abusive, calls me a bunch of names, gets a bit rape-ish and then hangs up with a slam. He tips and I send him a message thanking him for "treating me right". I've gotten about $400 off him and if he sickens me a bit it hardly matters, I'll still take his $50 every time.

These are callers that lots of Flirts would block but not me. I'll take the thousands of dollars from the creeps, cheap fucks, sick bastards, silent callers, guys that ask me to lower my rates, drug users and molesters that you all block and am totally happy about it. To a degree how much money are are going to make in this gig is relative to how much you are willing to wallow in and swallow the shit. I go as low as it gets, there is nothing I won't talk about and in the last couple years have plowed enough in the bank to live (if need be) with no income till, like, 2024. Having standards and self respect doesn't pay the bills.

Stay safe everyone.

While I do agree with most of the advice given here, I just want to say that sometimes there's no point in taking the worst of the worst callers if it will ultimately lead to a burnout that ends up costing you even more money in the end. Everyone's psychological endurance is different, some Flirts may be able to completely forget about this job and everything that occurs while doing it after they log out. But I know for a fact that if I were to humor some of these guys who just go WAY overboard with the abusive behavior, there'd come a point where too much of my energy would be drained and I'd never want to log in again. I actually realized this pretty early on when I was marketing as a switch as opposed to a dominant character. I didn't even get a particularly awful caller, I just dealt with men who exhausted me in one way or another and for me, it just wasn't worth their few bucks. I feel like regardless of the role you play - top or bottom; domme or sub - there are workarounds when it comes to making bank, but preserving your energy and sanity. For instance, passive income or chatting as opposed to pushing calls.

But that aside, I see some of these guys like the one the OP mentioned as not just draining, but threatening to my business regardless of whether or not they're emotionally taxing. If the guy sent that 100 bucks via CashApp (IIRC that's what he offered to do? Disregard this if I'm misremembering), it wouldn't surprise me at all if he charged back every cent. He could've been the easiest customer ever, but if he's actually a scammer, he isn't worth following up with because he's literally fucking with my business. No money was made in that hypothetical scenario; as a matter of fact, with fees and repercussions for taking an adult payment on a non-adult platform, a shitload of money was lost.

I feel the same way about men who abuse the feedback system. Yeah for the most part, guys really couldn't care less about our reviews from what I've seen. But I can't say I haven't experienced a noticeable decline in conversions when my listing has been bombed by a shitty 1-star review with a feedback comment (usually, if not always, a lie) attached; the 1-star's without comments don't really effect me negatively, but I block those dudes anyway because they could leave shittier feedback in the future and NF might not do anything about it because it seems less "harassing" when the dude leaves bad feedback on two separate occasions because in theory, maybe he just had two poor experiences. I could def see them siding with the customer in that instance. Idk, I can't be certain, but I feel like 1-star's with detailed negative commentary definitely deter some customers until they're buried. So serial 1-star guys always get preemptively blocked; for me, they're not worth the potential money that could be made from guys who might be scared off.

Again, not disagreeing with you entirely. I think a lot of girls leave money on the table when they expect too much from some of these men who just wanna get off and go. But some of them will just never be worth the few extra bucks. Even if you can mentally handle their personalities, their few extra bucks isn't worth less conversions, chargebacks, or all of the above.

MaryElizabeth
04-05-2020, 01:19 PM
Everyone has to find what works for them.

She got a call and tributes that were $100-ish, GOOD money for an hours work. Work 6 days a week x 50 weeks a year x $100 a day = $30 grand a year which will get most people through. I think most gals who do phone / camming make less than that. This whole covid thing is just getting stated and is going to take a lot of people under.

Yea, I have felt the grind, felt the pressure I put myself in. Yes, sometimes it sucks and I want to throw things. I did grow up with a bunch of brothers and it was never abusive (they are all really great guys) but it was rowdy and I did learn to "hold my own" and lots of stuff bounces off me - still, yea sometimes it can get dark in your soul.

On the other hand I have had vanilla jobs that were harsh and most every job has its BS. In the past I did the bust broke sleep on a cousins couch thing after a separation and I'm never ever doing that the fuck again. Yea I agree with you, this shit we do can have an effect but I'll save and save and grind for pennies and dollars and for me its worth it (https://imgur.com/EhsevZ6).

Everyone has to find their own. I think WAY too many girls are flip to block paying guys for no good reason when they should be trying to figure out how to get more out of them.

Stay safe out there, best of luck

PixiieGirl
04-05-2020, 02:09 PM
Everyone has to find what works for them.

She got a call and tributes that were $100-ish, GOOD money for an hours work. Work 6 days a week x 50 weeks a year x $100 a day = $30 grand a year which will get most people through. I think most gals who do phone / camming make less than that. This whole covid thing is just getting stated and is going to take a lot of people under.

Yea, I have felt the grind, felt the pressure I put myself in. Yes, sometimes it sucks and I want to throw things. I did grow up with a bunch of brothers and it was never abusive (they are all really great guys) but it was rowdy and I did learn to "hold my own" and lots of stuff bounces off me - still, yea sometimes it can get dark in your soul.

On the other hand I have had vanilla jobs that were harsh and most every job has its BS. In the past I did the bust broke sleep on a cousins couch thing after a separation and I'm never ever doing that the fuck again. Yea I agree with you, this shit we do can have an effect but I'll save and save and grind for pennies and dollars and for me its worth it (https://imgur.com/EhsevZ6).

Everyone has to find their own. I think WAY too many girls are flip to block paying guys for no good reason when they should be trying to figure out how to get more out of them.

Stay safe out there, best of luck
I do personally usually take this approach myself - I rarely block tbh, but I'd probably have to draw the line at someone who purposely scammed me and tried to get a free two hours of my time

its interesting reading your perspective tho, defo good tips in it, thanks for sharing!

Paradoxx
04-05-2020, 06:20 PM
I do personally usually take this approach myself - I rarely block tbh, but I'd probably have to draw the line at someone who purposely scammed me and tried to get a free two hours of my time

its interesting reading your perspective tho, defo good tips in it, thanks for sharing!

The bold was my main point. I've rarely had to block guys myself, but I just can't see the hustle in letting a man actively scam me, that's hustling backwards. I dunno. It just seems risky to play with fire and let a dude take my money and fuck me over so that I can't even make more money with that platform.

If the biggest threat was him being a dick or a pedo, that's one thing, but the threat in this instance is money loss.

If he took her money once, IMO he will take her money again and I just can't recommend anyone letting that happen. Dude's a scammer, not a pedo. He stole from her and likely intends to push it further with a chargeback. A scammer is not a customer, it's a damn thief.

MaryElizabeth
04-05-2020, 06:55 PM
Baby, here is her post, you are arguing points that didn't happen:

"Ya I’m just shoving my tits in the camera for two hours for FREE! I had no choice but to take the generous offer of $100 lol. Gee thanks. Besides that I made $8 off him and a couple $7 tributes"

He paid her, (a guess) $130 for 2 hours - fine money as a tribute. (Not via CashApp) He might have wanted to scam her but our intrepid cam girl got a hundred dollars+ out of him. She learned a valuable lesson and got paid to learn it. Everyone should be so lucky.

$130 pays a couple of my bills for the month, I'd take it. A guy that pays $100 when he could have just hung up is worth working on to see what else is there. I'd say "You broke my cam cherry, now I need you to stretch me out all deep and hard".

Anyway, thats what I would do, however all you do it is your business. Stay the fuck safe out there jesus, its getting on towards end of time shit depending on where you are in the country. STAY SAFE

Paradoxx
04-05-2020, 07:04 PM
Baby, here is her post, you are arguing points that didn't happen:

"Ya I’m just shoving my tits in the camera for two hours for FREE! I had no choice but to take the generous offer of $100 lol. Gee thanks. Besides that I made $8 off him and a couple $7 tributes"

He paid her, (a guess) $130 for 2 hours - fine money as a tribute. (Not via CashApp) He might have wanted to scam her but our intrepid cam girl got a hundred dollars+ out of him. She learned a valuable lesson and got paid to learn it. Everyone should be so lucky.

$130 pays a couple of my bills for the month, I'd take it. A guy that pays $100 when he could have just hung up is worth working on to see what else is there. I'd say "You broke my cam cherry, now I need you to stretch me out all deep and hard".

Anyway, thats what I would do, however all you do it is your business. Stay the fuck safe out there jesus, its getting on towards end of time shit depending on where you are in the country. STAY SAFE

Sis, here's her OTHER post right before the one you quoted:


Ugh I got scammed again! This dude called me and then hung up the NF call and kept me on skype for two hours =[ , in the end he agreed to tribute me $100 (70 for 2 hours..great)...I'm wondering if I should report him? He clearly scammed me he's like "oh well they hung up not me, I can cash app u $100 so you get everything...oh look im even helping you with your game..) Asshole.

I'm willing to admit that I could still be wrong because maybe OP insisted on NF being the processor - as you can see in your quote, she didn't specify and that's fine, I'm not saying she had to - but in the meantime, please take that condescending attitude elsewhere. That's all I'll say on that because I'm not about to start shit, this is an NF discussion thread, not a drama one.

Two valuable lessons were learned: Always have your speaker phone on blast and if you're wise, don't let a criminal hit you with a chargeback AND an account ban on both websites because he insisted on paying you elsewhere and knew exactly what the fuck he was doing.

You stay safe as well. Genuinely.

arielbriel
04-05-2020, 08:40 PM
Yeah, I insisted on NF so I got $70 out of that $100. I learned a lesson for sure. He pissed me off because he knew he was scamming me because he KNEW I was new and therefore he targeted me so I blocked him. I don't consider $84 for two hours minus taxes very good but I suppose it's better than nothing. My rate is $2.99 and we were on the phone at least two hours...I got $8 and two tributes $7 each lol...until I guilt tripped him into leaving me a tribute (also not allowed) SMH. Then I tried to unblock him and message him like trying to get more out of him as Mary Elizabeth suggested but then I was blocked, he probably blocked me because he knew he couldn't scam me anymore. I've been scammed in the club before so I know how it goes, just a little different online. I also don't have a big bouncer to back me up or hold his Credit Card till he pays me or whatever, were on our own out here. Thank god I read enough of this thread and knew about chargebacks via apps as it has happened to me on Venmo and now I'm blocked (strip club incident).

Paradoxx
04-05-2020, 08:56 PM
Yeah, I insisted on NF so I got $70 out of that $100. I learned a lesson for sure. He pissed me off because he knew he was scamming me because he KNEW I was new and therefore he targeted me so I blocked him. I don't consider $84 for two hours minus taxes very good but I suppose it's better than nothing. My rate is $2.99 and we were on the phone at least two hours...I got $8 and two tributes $7 each lol...until I guilt tripped him into leaving me a tribute (also not allowed) SMH. Then I tried to unblock him and message him like trying to get more out of him as Mary Elizabeth suggested but then I was blocked, he probably blocked me because he knew he couldn't scam me anymore. I've been scammed in the club before so I know how it goes, just a little different online. I also don't have a big bouncer to back me up or hold his Credit Card till he pays me or whatever, were on our own out here. Thank god I read enough of this thread and knew about chargebacks via apps as it has happened to me on Venmo and now I'm blocked (strip club incident).

I'm glad you got paid safely and I'm really sorry this even happened in the first place. He definitely targeted you because you're new, but good on you for already knowing not to take that money anywhere else but via NF. It sucks what happened with your Venmo account too, that's exactly what I'm afraid of when it comes to some of these dudes trying to pay offsite.

I hope your experience has been better since. <3

kortneykay
04-05-2020, 11:57 PM
While I do agree with most of the advice given here, I just want to say that sometimes there's no point in taking the worst of the worst callers if it will ultimately lead to a burnout that ends up costing you even more money in the end. Everyone's psychological endurance is different, some Flirts may be able to completely forget about this job and everything that occurs while doing it after they log out. But I know for a fact that if I were to humor some of these guys who just go WAY overboard with the abusive behavior, there'd come a point where too much of my energy would be drained and I'd never want to log in again. I actually realized this pretty early on when I was marketing as a switch as opposed to a dominant character. I didn't even get a particularly awful caller, I just dealt with men who exhausted me in one way or another and for me, it just wasn't worth their few bucks. I feel like regardless of the role you play - top or bottom; domme or sub - there are workarounds when it comes to making bank, but preserving your energy and sanity. For instance, passive income or chatting as opposed to pushing calls.

But that aside, I see some of these guys like the one the OP mentioned as not just draining, but threatening to my business regardless of whether or not they're emotionally taxing. If the guy sent that 100 bucks via CashApp (IIRC that's what he offered to do? Disregard this if I'm misremembering), it wouldn't surprise me at all if he charged back every cent. He could've been the easiest customer ever, but if he's actually a scammer, he isn't worth following up with because he's literally fucking with my business. No money was made in that hypothetical scenario; as a matter of fact, with fees and repercussions for taking an adult payment on a non-adult platform, a shitload of money was lost.

I feel the same way about men who abuse the feedback system. Yeah for the most part, guys really couldn't care less about our reviews from what I've seen. But I can't say I haven't experienced a noticeable decline in conversions when my listing has been bombed by a shitty 1-star review with a feedback comment (usually, if not always, a lie) attached; the 1-star's without comments don't really effect me negatively, but I block those dudes anyway because they could leave shittier feedback in the future and NF might not do anything about it because it seems less "harassing" when the dude leaves bad feedback on two separate occasions because in theory, maybe he just had two poor experiences. I could def see them siding with the customer in that instance. Idk, I can't be certain, but I feel like 1-star's with detailed negative commentary definitely deter some customers until they're buried. So serial 1-star guys always get preemptively blocked; for me, they're not worth the potential money that could be made from guys who might be scared off.

Again, not disagreeing with you entirely. I think a lot of girls leave money on the table when they expect too much from some of these men who just wanna get off and go. But some of them will just never be worth the few extra bucks. Even if you can mentally handle their personalities, their few extra bucks isn't worth less conversions, chargebacks, or all of the above.

Ditto Sister. And the pure audacity to tell someone to message a scammer and be "grateful" is appalling. Kissing a scammers tail for throwing you $100 on a 2 hour cam call, that's less than what I'd get in 20 min? FOH with that bulls*it. #notmycambiz

kortneykay
04-06-2020, 12:03 AM
Baby, here is her post, you are arguing points that didn't happen:

"Ya I’m just shoving my tits in the camera for two hours for FREE! I had no choice but to take the generous offer of $100 lol. Gee thanks. Besides that I made $8 off him and a couple $7 tributes"

He paid her, (a guess) $130 for 2 hours - fine money as a tribute. (Not via CashApp) He might have wanted to scam her but our intrepid cam girl got a hundred dollars+ out of him. She learned a valuable lesson and got paid to learn it. Everyone should be so lucky.

$130 pays a couple of my bills for the month, I'd take it. A guy that pays $100 when he could have just hung up is worth working on to see what else is there. I'd say "You broke my cam cherry, now I need you to stretch me out all deep and hard".

Anyway, thats what I would do, however all you do it is your business. Stay the fuck safe out there jesus, its getting on towards end of time shit depending on where you are in the country. STAY SAFE

No ma'am, it's you who are confused. She got a couple $7 tributes and an $8 call on NF, he threw her $70 her cut AFTER she called him out. She made around $92-99 or possibly less via her own admittance depending on if she got (couple aka 2, $7 tribs or $10).

2 hours for a rolling cam call would've netted her much more than that but we all know he didnt plan on staying on 2h rolling anyway had he been paying her per min rate. He's a scammer and thief and should be blocked and reported. $92 is cute for a 20 min call at a discount with me but 2h? OH HELL NO. But we all learn. Bottom line, her per min take home pay was worth 120 min, not $120.

Perhaps you're okay with picking up pennies these males throw on the floor but I don't and it's highly suspect that you think we should be okay with their disrespectful behavior after having the audacity to scam us. I only say this because of the tone of your reply as if to say we should be grateful getting anything from these men.

Sure, $40 is cool per hour to SOME, but not for my bills and hard work its not. Not when that was good for 10 min 5 yrs ago for me. I dont take nonsense and my consistent income has only gone up yr after yr. No, nein, nope, nuh uh.

IF by a miracle he would've stayed on the call 120 min, including the $8, plus $14 in tribs she would've gotten around $272.80 but again he never intended to stay on that long. Fuck his robbing ass. He doesnt deserve e a follow up thank you or to be acknowledged.

arielbriel
04-06-2020, 01:43 AM
Yes, it was a total of $92 minus taxes for TWO HOURS...Awful, but thankfully I learned from that and now I got it under control. He is a total thief/scammer/ broke POS. My immediate response was to block him after he left the measly tribute. How do I report him? Will I get in trouble for taking a tribute for a cam show though? ?

PixiieGirl
04-06-2020, 03:06 AM
Yes, it was a total of $92 minus taxes for TWO HOURS...Awful, but thankfully I learned from that and now I got it under control. He is a total thief/scammer/ broke POS. My immediate response was to block him after he left the measly tribute. How do I report him? Will I get in trouble for taking a tribute for a cam show though? ?

Honestly imo you did the right thing, he scammed you - of course you block him. If someone stole something from a store - got caught and offered much less than the value of what they stole they’d get banned so, why would you not block him

Idk the answer re: your questions tho, sorry lovely!

arielbriel
04-06-2020, 06:27 AM
I blocked him, learned a VALUABLE lesson, and I’ll leave it alone for now. I agree 1000% with you.

arielbriel
04-11-2020, 04:48 AM
Ok so now offense to anyone who takes these type of calls but I took two or three calls which I feel so gross about still..if the guy would of told me what he wanted I would of said no like I have before but anyways I feel like they sneak in acting normal and then just drop these weird kink/fetishes on you. I have two calls from NF that I felt I got hoodwinked into and I can't get out of my head A)Some dude called me with an adult diaper on and the whole 9 yards...didn't give me any indication he was into that. and B.)the guy wanted to do a dr/patient scenario so I said yes but in the middle at some point he started wanting me to say "i loove you daddy" and kept calling me "good girl" and calling my body parts little girl names. Like, my skin is CRAWLING still, it's been days. I read that I should NOT write on my ad I don't take XYZ calls because then when they search, my profile will pop up. IDK what to do now.

PixiieGirl
04-11-2020, 05:13 AM
Ok so now offense to anyone who takes these type of calls but I took two or three calls which I feel so gross about still..if the guy would of told me what he wanted I would of said no like I have before but anyways I feel like they sneak in acting normal and then just drop these weird kink/fetishes on you. I have two calls from NF that I felt I got hoodwinked into and I can't get out of my head A)Some dude called me with an adult diaper on and the whole 9 yards...didn't give me any indication he was into that. and B.)the guy wanted to do a dr/patient scenario so I said yes but in the middle at some point he started wanting me to say "i loove you daddy" and kept calling me "good girl" and calling my body parts little girl names. Like, my skin is CRAWLING still, it's been days. I read that I should NOT write on my ad I don't take XYZ calls because then when they search, my profile will pop up. IDK what to do now.
dont be afraid to hang up during a call if you're uncomfortable - its on them if they dont tell you upfront that they want certain things - dont go beyond your comfort zone just cause they called - not good for our mental health to do that!

on a side note I think I know exactly who the second person is go mention haha

edit: thought I'd add I know exactly what you mean tho - I get guys spring race play on me fairly regularly - I just tell them "Im not comfortable doing that" and continue what I was doing - either they hang up or they like me enough to continue as we where

you need to be careful to because you can get in trouble for doing stuff outside of the NF fairplay rules x

arielbriel
04-11-2020, 07:11 PM
dont be afraid to hang up during a call if you're uncomfortable - its on them if they dont tell you upfront that they want certain things - dont go beyond your comfort zone just cause they called - not good for our mental health to do that!

on a side note I think I know exactly who the second person is go mention haha

edit: thought I'd add I know exactly what you mean tho - I get guys spring race play on me fairly regularly - I just tell them "Im not comfortable doing that" and continue what I was doing - either they hang up or they like me enough to continue as we where

you need to be careful to because you can get in trouble for doing stuff outside of the NF fairplay rules x

Exactly, I read the rules, and I'm sure they have to , that's why they didn't tell me ahead of time and just sprung it on me midshow. But ya, next time I will hang up and block.

xxxGothBarbie
04-11-2020, 10:26 PM
I always make their asses call me on the phone FIRST ,then we talk (I waste their time with small talk) THEN I get into the call more, asking them what they'd like etc. I keep these guys on the phone as long as possible esp a cam call bc I distract them by teasing & chit chat until they tell me ok let's do xyz.

Always have call on speaker & if they make an issue out of it oh well they can hang up & call someone else. Took me awhile to catch on to scammers on NF but now I know what these ass clowns are all about the second they contact me. I've actually turned potential scammers into high paying clients by bullshitting during the call itself. I too can be a trickster LOL

MaryElizabeth
04-13-2020, 10:14 AM
...you need to be careful to because you can get in trouble for doing stuff outside of the NF fairplay rules x

Has anyone heard of anyone actually getting in trouble? I take all sorts of calls and indulge every fantasy and never had a whisper of a problem.

arielbriel
04-13-2020, 06:08 PM
Has anyone heard of anyone actually getting in trouble? I take all sorts of calls and indulge every fantasy and never had a whisper of a problem.

Godbless you cause I am emotionally scarred lol.

Spemily
04-13-2020, 06:38 PM
Has anyone heard of anyone actually getting in trouble? I take all sorts of calls and indulge every fantasy and never had a whisper of a problem.

I've only heard of issues when something violating the terms of service actually gets written down or recorded. Chats, emails or goodies, in other words.

I used to be more lax about following the rules in calls (because there are a few things that are against the rules that don't bother me at all) but too many of the guys left me feedback that hinted at it or outright stated it and that made me nervous.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-13-2020, 06:40 PM
Has anyone heard of anyone actually getting in trouble? I take all sorts of calls and indulge every fantasy and never had a whisper of a problem.

People typically get caught when they advertise no-no topics on their listings and also via email. NF doesn't record or store phone calls. I know a few who were banned for other reasons but are now active on the platform.

izshadow
04-13-2020, 09:41 PM
I've only heard of issues when something violating the terms of service actually gets written down or recorded. Chats, emails or goodies, in other words.

I used to be more lax about following the rules in calls (because there are a few things that are against the rules that don't bother me at all) but too many of the guys left me feedback that hinted at it or outright stated it and that made me nervous.

This is exactly why I stopped indulging in every fantasy. I could care less what their fantasy is, its money to me but I'm to scared of it being written in my feedback that I did cater to it.

MaryElizabeth
04-13-2020, 10:23 PM
When a guy sends me anything written I keep things on the up-and-up, very proper. Listings may hint towards but not actually go over the line, same with goodies. Even in chat I'll make sure things stay inside the likes.

With non-recorded conversations it's what ever he wants to talk about.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 12:39 AM
Today a guy stuck a 12in dildo up his ass and when he took it out...well I don't have to spell it out for you...I'm scarred you guys lol.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 01:28 AM
I am a visual person so this helps me.

Character 1 Sally used her Mastercard ending in 5555 and her phone number 678-555-5555 and an e-mail address to open a profile
Then Sally has 3 listing under her profile for character one.

Character 2 Sally used Mastercard ending in 5555 and her phone number 678-555-5555 and a different e-mail address to open a profile
Then sally made 3 listings under her profile for character two.

Character 3 Sally used Mastercard ending in 5555 and her phone number 678-555-5555 and a different e-mail address to open a profile
Then sally made 10 listings under her profile as character three.

So in total Sally plays 3 people (Cindy, Mary and Liz) They are all characters that she purchased content for and has 2257 paperwork.

SO when Cindy gets a phone call Sally answers the phone and plays the character of Cindy. Mary and Liz show "busy" so no one can call them.

And since Sally is so smart she has a redhead, a MILF and a blond cowgirl for characters so she is casting a bigger net.

This is the very very basic way I started doing phone sex and it is now my 100% full time pays all the bills job. and I LOVE my life.


How long does it take to get all these characters going and established? I can't even get my HTML profile done lol.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 02:09 AM
Hey guys so I am on page 85 but I have a question that I haven't seen answered yet. SO when a guy messages me on chat and I offer them pics, they say yes and I send them a PTV in the amount of $10-20 but like they barely open it and then they stop answering my messages. Are they expecting free pics? Am I charging too much? Also, my goodies aren't selling at all. I have two goodies of 10-12 pics priced at $40 and nada. I'm getting calls and doing well like that but goodies aren't going and PTVs are BARELY being opened. UGH.

Growlerpussy
04-14-2020, 04:40 AM
Hey guys so I am on page 85 but I have a question that I haven't seen answered yet. SO when a guy messages me on chat and I offer them pics, they say yes and I send them a PTV in the amount of $10-20 but like they barely open it and then they stop answering my messages. Are they expecting free pics? Am I charging too much? Also, my goodies aren't selling at all. I have two goodies of 10-12 pics priced at $40 and nada. I'm getting calls and doing well like that but goodies aren't going and PTVs are BARELY being opened. UGH.


10-12 pis for 40????? My opinion: thats overpriced, when they can get a 10 minutes video's for a fiver. But thats my opinion. Other girls on here might say that you shouldn't go cheap. I wouldn't ask a ptv with one or 2 pics for less than $2 dollars, but surely not more than 3.99. Never forget, they have millions and millions of free stuff all over the net.
And again, as I said : Thats my opinion

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 04:49 AM
10-12 pis for 40????? My opinion: thats overpriced, when they can get a 10 minutes video's for a fiver. But thats my opinion. Other girls on here might say that you shouldn't go cheap. I wouldn't ask a ptv with one or 2 pics for less than $2 dollars, but surely not more than 3.99. Never forget, they have millions and millions of free stuff all over the net.
And again, as I said : Thats my opinion
I see, so what's an appropriate amount for goodie bags?
The PTV's , I am selling them pics as well as sexting in the chat. Some have paid but many just don't even respond after I send it lol. I mean in reality $20, we only keep $14 so that's why I price it like that and they can look at those pics over and over again.

Growlerpussy
04-14-2020, 05:10 AM
I see, so what's an appropriate amount for goodie bags?
The PTV's , I am selling them pics as well as sexting in the chat. Some have paid but many just don't even respond after I send it lol. I mean in reality $20, we only keep $14 so that's why I price it like that and they can look at those pics over and over again.

Same as they can watch a vieo they buy over and over again. Try to send a pic as ptv for $2 and wait if they open it. if they do, you can sens a next one, even a naughtier one for $2.50 .... don't forget to tell them that it is a naughtier one .... you can keep going like that for ages an you make more money then selling a bunch for 20$

Its riskier for them to buy immediatley 20 or more pics for 40 dollars. They dont know if they like it ....... But when you send out 1 pic and they like it ... they will buy more.

PixiieGirl
04-14-2020, 05:37 AM
I see, so what's an appropriate amount for goodie bags?
The PTV's , I am selling them pics as well as sexting in the chat. Some have paid but many just don't even respond after I send it lol. I mean in reality $20, we only keep $14 so that's why I price it like that and they can look at those pics over and over again.
I think pricing for photos is a bit more varied - but I personally charge $1/photo + 0.99 (so $5.99 for 5) - and for videos the standard is about the same - $1/min + 0.99

Paradoxx
04-14-2020, 05:44 AM
Same as they can watch a vieo they buy over and over again. Try to send a pic as ptv for $2 and wait if they open it. if they do, you can sens a next one, even a naughtier one for $2.50 .... don't forget to tell them that it is a naughtier one .... you can keep going like that for ages an you make more money then selling a bunch for 20$

Its riskier for them to buy immediatley 20 or more pics for 40 dollars. They dont know if they like it ....... But when you send out 1 pic and they like it ... they will buy more.

Seconding making a PTV game.

I make far more sales with essentially the exact method @Growlerpussy mentioned than I ever do with goodies. I still make them available and sell lots of them (over a lonnng time) for similar high prices, $30-$50 for guys who just want entire sets or full length files. And they occasionally sell, but the PTV's are way more lucrative.

IME, they spend way more than $30 or even $50 - but feel like they're spending less - by just buying one PTV that leads to another and so on.

izshadow
04-14-2020, 08:51 AM
Most girls sell photo packs on their listings so guys can view them while talking to you. Average across the board is $5 bucks for 3 to 5 photos. Goodies are hit or miss. I dont even offer them as for me its a waste of time with how little they sell. You want to see me, we can cam. On my character listings, they can purchase my naked photos to look at before they call.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-14-2020, 08:57 AM
Wait... people are selling ten minute videos for $5?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-14-2020, 09:10 AM
Today a guy stuck a 12in dildo up his ass and when he took it out...well I don't have to spell it out for you...I'm scarred you guys lol.

And that's the moment you should have asked for a tip. Or send him a ptv with your "critique". Don't be too shy to ask for what you want. I've had a guy stick one of those mid size baseball bats up his butt. He likes to shock me. I keep taking his shows but the price goes up every time. I hate seeing advice telling women to low-ball themselves. If it feels degrading to YOU, then it's degrading. No matter the content or the price, you decide. You're doing good. You'll figure it out. ♥️

Growlerpussy
04-14-2020, 09:13 AM
Wait... people are selling ten minute videos for $5?

Lol, I've seen worse. Some girls are throwing themself away with packages incuded a few video's and a bunches of nudes together in a goodie for 5 or 10 dollars.
Or 50 minutes audiofiles for 3.99, only to appear on the first page of the goodies for a week or 2.

caramelcraze
04-14-2020, 10:21 AM
Hey guys so I am on page 85 but I have a question that I haven't seen answered yet. SO when a guy messages me on chat and I offer them pics, they say yes and I send them a PTV in the amount of $10-20 but like they barely open it and then they stop answering my messages. Are they expecting free pics? Am I charging too much? Also, my goodies aren't selling at all. I have two goodies of 10-12 pics priced at $40 and nada. I'm getting calls and doing well like that but goodies aren't going and PTVs are BARELY being opened. UGH.

That's a tough question to answer tbh. Some people will tell you that's too high others will tell you that it's fine, some still will tell you to make them more expensive.
Personally, I've never had much luck selling photo sets for more than $15 or so (albeit I rarely include more than 15-20 photos). Fiddle with your prices perhaps. maybe make photo sets at $10, $20, $25, and so on so buyers have the ability to get a taste then buy more. I find it's easier to sell something more expensive to a returning customer than a new customer right out of the gate.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 01:36 PM
That's a tough question to answer tbh. Some people will tell you that's too high others will tell you that it's fine, some still will tell you to make them more expensive.
Personally, I've never had much luck selling photo sets for more than $15 or so (albeit I rarely include more than 15-20 photos). Fiddle with your prices perhaps. maybe make photo sets at $10, $20, $25, and so on so buyers have the ability to get a taste then buy more. I find it's easier to sell something more expensive to a returning customer than a new customer right out of the gate.

Interesting, got it. I've always been of the mindset that having these super cheap rates just trains these dudes to be cheap. Don't get me wrong some buy it at 20-50 bucks and I only send 6-8 pics via PTV but some just ghost me after that. Now, I have SOME clarity.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 01:38 PM
And that's the moment you should have asked for a tip. Or send him a ptv with your "critique". Don't be too shy to ask for what you want. I've had a guy stick one of those mid size baseball bats up his butt. He likes to shock me. I keep taking his shows but the price goes up every time. I hate seeing advice telling women to low-ball themselves. If it feels degrading to YOU, then it's degrading. No matter the content or the price, you decide. You're doing good. You'll figure it out. ♥️

Europeans...they don't tip SMH, trust me I asked for $100 but then he just cummed lol. FML. But yes, I agree, I don't think we should train these dudes to be cheap. I just don't also want to price myself out either so thanks for the clarity ladies.

caramelcraze
04-14-2020, 08:23 PM
Interesting, got it. I've always been of the mindset that having these super cheap rates just trains these dudes to be cheap. Don't get me wrong some buy it at 20-50 bucks and I only send 6-8 pics via PTV but some just ghost me after that. Now, I have SOME clarity.

There is a difference between being cheap and looking at the market.
Not a perfect example, but take housing for instance. If you have a 2br/2ba condo in san diego, depending on the area, the market average says you can get around 450k for it. If you were trying to sell it & priced it at the market average, you are likely to sell it with ease & speed. Now if you were to take that same condo in the same area and price it at 900k, you are going to have a much harder time selling it when the market average says you should be around 450k. Sure you may eventually sell it, but it's going to be hard to get that 900k when two of your neighbors just sold nearly identical condos for 450k. For pre shot pics (especially non-professional) most guys aren't going to jump at 6-8 pics for $50 when the market average for pre shot sets is far less (unless you are working with some very specific fetish groups). At $50, most people on NF would be willing to do a custom photo set of the same number of pics and then some. Just my 2 cents. Also, bear in mind that videos are a whole separate can of worms. I feel that there's a lot more wiggle room as to what you can charge for them.

arielbriel
04-14-2020, 09:57 PM
There is a difference between being cheap and looking at the market.
Not a perfect example, but take housing for instance. If you have a 2br/2ba condo in san diego, depending on the area, the market average says you can get around 450k for it. If you were trying to sell it & priced it at the market average, you are likely to sell it with ease & speed. Now if you were to take that same condo in the same area and price it at 900k, you are going to have a much harder time selling it when the market average says you should be around 450k. Sure you may eventually sell it, but it's going to be hard to get that 900k when two of your neighbors just sold nearly identical condos for 450k. For pre shot pics (especially non-professional) most guys aren't going to jump at 6-8 pics for $50 when the market average for pre shot sets is far less (unless you are working with some very specific fetish groups). At $50, most people on NF would be willing to do a custom photo set of the same number of pics and then some. Just my 2 cents. Also, bear in mind that videos are a whole separate can of worms. I feel that there's a lot more wiggle room as to what you can charge for them.

Yeah, makes perfect sense. I'll lower it from $40 to like $20?

bunny1847
04-15-2020, 03:04 AM
They don't take models from Ukraine?

MaryElizabeth
04-15-2020, 09:57 AM
They don't take models from Ukraine?

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