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annikah
07-11-2014, 10:04 PM
I've never heard of a PSO studio, but I suppose they could be. But they make it a point to tell you in their FAQ that they, nor any other company, has the right to tell a contractor where they can work, which kind of eliminates the reason to avoid them, as a studio if they are.

"You can always tell a scam company by their “non compete” agreement. When you are hired on as a contractor you are allowed to work for as many different people as you want. They are legally not allowed to tie you to their company only! Now if you are being hired as an employee that’s a different matter. "

I think I stumbled across them last year, but when I read that their no trolling contract only paid .25/min, I never followed through.

JaneBurgess
07-11-2014, 11:56 PM
I think they are having phone issues. A customer just called me and the line was awful, cracking and tons of static.

dianecallaway
07-11-2014, 11:59 PM
does anyone know the minimum u need to get for daily express to go thru ? some days it doesnt go in when i only have a few bucks in my account on days my bids ran out and i didnt redo them and stuff and i notice the next day the money i made the day before is still in my account. anything over $12 I actually think its $11 but I know for sure on $12

grneyesnfl
07-12-2014, 12:49 AM
anything over $12 I actually think its $11 but I know for sure on $12

The minimum to be paid is $10 plus whatever amount you want NF to leave in your account.

"*To be paid out, you must have at least $10 more in eligible earnings than your "Balance to Be Left in Account" (which you choose). For example, if your "Balance to Be Left in Account" is $5.00, you must have at least $15.00 in eligible earnings. Eligible earnings are any funds earned through Live or Recorded Calls, Paid Mail, Goodies, or Tributes. Funds which are added to an account from a credit card are not eligible to be paid to you. Except when specified, funds credited to your account for Special Offers or other Promotions will also not be paid out."

apryll11
07-12-2014, 01:26 AM
I've never heard of a PSO studio, but I suppose they could be. But they make it a point to tell you in their FAQ that they, nor any other company, has the right to tell a contractor where they can work, which kind of eliminates the reason to avoid them, as a studio if they are.

"You can always tell a scam company by their “non compete” agreement. When you are hired on as a contractor you are allowed to work for as many different people as you want. They are legally not allowed to tie you to their company only! Now if you are being hired as an employee that’s a different matter. "

I think I stumbled across them last year, but when I read that their no trolling contract only paid .25/min, I never followed through.

Yes and they also make a point to tell you they are only hiring girls who will be full time, working 40 hrs a week. You can not give a independent contractor hours they need to work, then they are an employee and require a base salary.
Typical studio, tells you enough for you to be impressed that you don't notice the deception.
If a studio is how you can secure your income, I say go fore just go with eyes open. Just make sure they are doing something for you that you cant do yourself and always find out what your actually rate, that the client are paying, is. A scam, to me, always starts with hiding those small details.

I guess it depends on your area, but their are plenty of studios, virtual and location based, in NY

DonaDiabla
07-12-2014, 02:23 AM
anjie2218, this should answer your question.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Telecom4U-LLC/internet/Telecom4U-LLC-Amy-Fulp-Do-NOT-Work-for-this-company-Everett-Internet-1028270

Rina
07-12-2014, 08:35 AM
I have never heard of a PSO studio either, but I have worked for a few companies. One I was an actual employee paid an hourly wage, taxes taken out of my check, set schedule worked in an office. I also worked for a dispatch company I had no set hours,my content was provided and as was traffic.

There are plenty or reputable PSO companies out there who do actually provide advertising, content, billing and their own platform and traffic. For girls who don't want to market they're a decent option. I certainly know at least 2 ladies working for a very good company who make as much as cammers. The PSO industry is not the camming industry so I think we should be careful not conflate every non-platform service with studios.

That said yes there are shitty companies out there apparently telecom is one of them. I know a few others, I think there is a list in Other Work, though it may be back in the pages. Perhaps telecom should be added to it.

apryll11
07-13-2014, 09:01 AM
I certainly know at least 2 ladies working for a very good company who make as much as cammers.

How much would that be because their are plenty of cam models who only .78- 10 a day

JordiJae
07-13-2014, 09:07 AM
I get online and keep it up, it seems I can't get ONE call! I've had it for about 2 week now, what can I do?

BustyAmeera
07-13-2014, 09:56 AM
Do you have feedback yet? If not it might start off slow for u. I pm'd u

Rina
07-13-2014, 04:45 PM
How much would that be because their are plenty of cam models who only .78- 10 a day

I will say personally that I know two ladies working for LDW because I am sure the name of the company will be asked next, that make 750-1000 week. Hope that answered satisfied you and not sure why you were taking exception with the fact that people can make decent money at PSO companies some do some don't depends on the company. But this is the NF thread so let's stick to that.

Rina
07-13-2014, 05:34 PM
I don't if anyone else might have this situation arise but just in case I'll post. If the customer buys a vid and wants to watch it one his phone and it's a vid you posted before File Manager which lets them stream online and guy wants to watch it online you can re-upload the vid to file manager and send it to him via NF mail.

apryll11
07-13-2014, 08:00 PM
I will say personally that I know two ladies working for LDW because I am sure the name of the company will be asked next, that make 750-1000 week. Hope that answered satisfied you and not sure why you were taking exception with the fact that people can make decent money at PSO companies some do some don't depends on the company. But this is the NF thread so let's stick to that.

O' no I personally don't care about what phone company they worked for so I never would have asked. I dont do phone sex so I dont give a shit. Im a cam model, and with the flood of documentaries saying what we make and girls on here saying what they make and me knowing what I make I had no idea what you meant by "as much as cammers." We dont make base pay so you could have meant 100 a week or 1000 a day, I was just curious to know.
I dont know what your reading but I never said or hinted towards you cant make a decent living at a PSO, that's something your hearing in your own mind and has nothing to do with me.
Pussy and real estate, two hustle you will never lose out on in life.By whatever means you can secure it I would never doubt you can make it.

Rina
07-13-2014, 08:26 PM
Well tone is hard to convey on the net, and on this board I find people sometimes get touchy about dollars which is why I don't like bringing which is why I don't like bringing up numbers, and was vague. I think of 1000/weekly as average and I figure most ladies here do. It's not bad if you make less or more, and I am implying nothing by that.

I never said you said I personally can't make a decent living at PSO.

Your original comment about PSO studios seemed to imply that people couldn't make money working for PSO companies. I haven't worked for a company in ages but I wouldn't want a newbie to pass up the option with a good company because she thinks it's like working at a studio.

Not sure why you think I felt personally insulted. I didn't.




O' no I personally don't care about what phone company they worked for so I never would have asked. I dont do phone sex so I dont give a shit. Im a cam model, and with the flood of documentaries saying what we make and girls on here saying what they make and me knowing what I make I had no idea what you meant by "as much as cammers." We dont make base pay so you could have meant 100 a week or 1000 a day, I was just curious to know.
I dont know what your reading but I never said or hinted towards you cant make a decent living at a PSO, that's something your hearing in your own mind and has nothing to do with me.
Pussy and real estate, two hustle you will never lose out on in life.By whatever means you can secure it I would never doubt you can make it.

Angeliqua
07-14-2014, 03:51 PM
I rank #3 in my sub-category but 239 in the main. Do you guys think that this makes much of a difference? I've heard conflicting opinions about this. Obviously I know that earnings potential is increased the higher ranking you are regardless but I just wanted to get some input before I bid more. I was reading in a thread at NF that despite prime placement in main category that some were losing money because they bid so much and still were not receiving the calls.

dianecallaway
07-14-2014, 10:06 PM
Your ranking on a particular line has nothing to do with your potential earning. Here is how niteflirt ranks you because that is what you are asking about and this comes directly from them. They use an algorythm all web sites that rank anything do all that is math equation that tells the site where to put you. They rank using how many hits you get on a listing compared to how many of THOSE hits you turn into calls. So if you have a guy that calls you for two hours every week he does not help you NOR does he hurt you in where you place on the site. When you bid your are asking to be placed above your normal place in hopes that you will get new unique hits and get a high conversion rate of those hits. Niteflirt has said flat out you do not need to bid to move up the list they were very clear on this. The problem with bidding is NOT bidding the problem with bidding is so many girls and guys have pages that are not appealing at all or they have a few sentences on these pages and they are not sellable. They get irritated becaue they are spending money but not making money. Its like this if you do not have something that is sellable you can put it out there all day long and no one will buy. I dont know you I do not know your site so I will not speak of it in any way if you want it looked at and want some ideas then contact me I will happily do this. You do not need a "fancy" site you just need one that has some picture sor even graphics has some great wording on it in some way and has a catchy title. You also need a decent thumbnail that is a decent quality picture. If you want to bid make sure you are ready to bid. I do not bid I chose to work on advertising, movies, pic sets, twitter, tumblr and other areas. I work them every day! I hope this helps in some way.
I rank #3 in my sub-category but 239 in the main. Do you guys think that this makes much of a difference? I've heard conflicting opinions about this. Obviously I know that earnings potential is increased the higher ranking you are regardless but I just wanted to get some input before I bid more. I was reading in a thread at NF that despite prime placement in main category that some were losing money because they bid so much and still were not receiving the calls.

Angeliqua
07-15-2014, 08:03 AM
Your ranking on a particular line has nothing to do with your potential earning. Here is how niteflirt ranks you because that is what you are asking about and this comes directly from them. They use an algorythm all web sites that rank anything do all that is math equation that tells the site where to put you. They rank using how many hits you get on a listing compared to how many of THOSE hits you turn into calls. So if you have a guy that calls you for two hours every week he does not help you NOR does he hurt you in where you place on the site. When you bid your are asking to be placed above your normal place in hopes that you will get new unique hits and get a high conversion rate of those hits. Niteflirt has said flat out you do not need to bid to move up the list they were very clear on this. The problem with bidding is NOT bidding the problem with bidding is so many girls and guys have pages that are not appealing at all or they have a few sentences on these pages and they are not sellable. They get irritated becaue they are spending money but not making money. Its like this if you do not have something that is sellable you can put it out there all day long and no one will buy. I dont know you I do not know your site so I will not speak of it in any way if you want it looked at and want some ideas then contact me I will happily do this. You do not need a "fancy" site you just need one that has some picture sor even graphics has some great wording on it in some way and have a catchy title. You also need a decent thumbnail that is a decent quality picture. If you want to bid make sure you are ready to bid. I do not bid I chose to work on advertising, movies, pic sets, twitter, tumblr and other areas. I work them every day! I hope this helps in some way.

Yes, this helped tremendously! I have read a lot of conflicting information about this. I am currently working on my profile and just uploaded a new pic today, hopefully rewriting some stuff and graphics later as well. I am not big on the advertising, and was hoping that if I vamp up my profile and obtain good placement I would not have to do a lot of self-promoting. I am going to make some changes and then I will hit you up :) It never hurts to have another set of eyes. And thank you!

justanothercamgirl
07-20-2014, 06:20 AM
I got a call yesterday from NF even though I was set as away. Does that happen often? I'd hate to be making custie made by not answering the phone -- but I even double checked and I was set as away. :-\

anoncamgirl
07-20-2014, 06:39 AM
I got a call yesterday from NF even though I was set as away. Does that happen often? I'd hate to be making custie made by not answering the phone -- but I even double checked and I was set as away. :-\

This is a bug, and it happens all the time.

dianecallaway
07-20-2014, 09:29 AM
I got a call yesterday from NF even though I was set as away. Does that happen often? I'd hate to be making custie made by not answering the phone -- but I even double checked and I was set as away. :-\ It happens rarely for me. I dont think I have had it happen in a long time where I had actually set it to away. I have had it happen where my internet or their site (more their site I think) glitches and doesnt actually show me to away. If you have something major going on I would double check with your phone. :)

BlasianBytch
07-21-2014, 05:32 AM
I got a call yesterday from NF even though I was set as away. Does that happen often? I'd hate to be making custie made by not answering the phone -- but I even double checked and I was set as away. :-\

a few times, and it was when I was at the office which was very akward.

annikah
07-21-2014, 08:58 AM
I've had that happen on NF. I thought maybe it was because I had more than one NF window open when I set my status to away.

It happened so often on MPS that I just don't even use the site anymore.

DonaDiabla
07-21-2014, 05:33 PM
That happen to me a few times. One time, I was at the supermarket's checkout line. I wished Niteflirt fix their bug :(


I got a call yesterday from NF even though I was set as away. Does that happen often? I'd hate to be making custie made by not answering the phone -- but I even double checked and I was set as away. :-\

CatBBW
07-29-2014, 10:19 AM
Hello everyone, I'm looking at joining NiteFlirt and have a couple of questions.

AdultWork is my (current) main source of income, I find AW very easy to use - is NiteFlite user-friendly?

Do they send out a list of new members to any subscriber list? Or do new members get any sort of visibility advantage? Just wondering as AW do this, and I don't want to waste any precious new member perks on NF...

I've read up to about page 10 of this thread (October 2013) and back then there was a lot of talk about how poor traffic/earnings was - is it worse, better or about the same now?

Thanks :)

dianecallaway
07-29-2014, 10:35 AM
Hello everyone, I'm looking at joining NiteFlirt and have a couple of questions.

AdultWork is my (current) main source of income, I find AW very easy to use - is NiteFlite user-friendly?

Do they send out a list of new members to any subscriber list? Or do new members get any sort of visibility advantage? Just wondering as AW do this, and I don't want to waste any precious new member perks on NF...

I've read up to about page 10 of this thread (October 2013) and back then there was a lot of talk about how poor traffic/earnings was - is it worse, better or about the same now?

Thanks :) I have always found adultwork very hard to use and rarely use it so I am curious how you do on it. I have found niteflirt is very easy to use I have no training in html and I have figured out how to do the basics. They do not send out any type of list or give access to customers in any way. I have been part of myphonesite for years which does do this and I have not found that to be helpful for some weird reason that makes no sense to me. NF is increasing traffic over all steadily for the last year. YOu will see people complain about them but when I go look at their NF pages for the most part their sites are horrid. I make steady decent money on there I have set my price to where I can pretty much guarantee if I am logged in for x hours I make x dollars. I do something on the site every day. I advertise every day, I put up content every day. (you get the picture). Here is my best advice keep your price reasonable, good pictures are important, and wording spend some time on what you have to say (I am currently redoing my lower listings by doing this), I have found it generally takes two weeks to get a character going so you have to be a little patient. Like with anything you are selling offering something unique is greatly helpful. Cell phones do not seem to work real well with this site Or in my experience any site. So invest into either a home phone or a good internet phone with the fastest speed you can afford. (a lot of the issues girls are having is because there are problems with their phones and they refuse to step up and find the problem so that it can be fixed they just want to blame the site be aware of this ;) so you understand what is happening). I find the site to be stable, I rarely have issues with calls connecting, I have decent traffic some characters do better than others. If you have issues shoot me an email and I will help what I can [email protected]

justanothercamgirl
07-29-2014, 11:36 AM
Your original comment about PSO studios seemed to imply that people couldn't make money working for PSO companies. I haven't worked for a company in ages but I wouldn't want a newbie to pass up the option with a good company because she thinks it's like working at a studio.

I am personally thankful for each and ever one of your posts on PSO. If it wasn't for your great answers here on Stripperweb I would of quit PSO long ago out of frustration.

Thanks again for all your great posts.

CatBBW
07-29-2014, 11:40 AM
Ooh, one other question...

If you have multiple listings across 3 identities, how do you know which 'persona' to wear when a call comes in, if the phone number for incoming calls is always the same?

dianecallaway
07-29-2014, 11:49 AM
Ooh, one other question...

If you have multiple listings across 3 identities, how do you know which 'persona' to wear when a call comes in, if the phone number for incoming calls is always the same?
It tell you have an incoming call for xyz if you use weird names for your character it doesnt always pronounce it right but you quickly learn who is who and it tell you the category of the call which can be strange at times because I have a giant listing listed under "other"

Bootsie
07-29-2014, 04:04 PM
I just uploaded my docs for NiteFlirt and plan to get my listing up this week. I'm nervous because I've never done PSO before, but guys compliment my dirty talk all the time, so hopefully I can work off that. Don't know about playing a "character" or anything, I am just going to be me for the first little bit. Thank you for this thread, I've learned heaps and feel more confident than when I started reading!

dianecallaway
07-29-2014, 04:15 PM
I just uploaded my docs for NiteFlirt and plan to get my listing up this week. I'm nervous because I've never done PSO before, but guys compliment my dirty talk all the time, so hopefully I can work off that. Don't know about playing a "character" or anything, I am just going to be me for the first little bit. Thank you for this thread, I've learned heaps and feel more confident than when I started reading!Just be yourself and have fun. I have a great time at what I do. Now if I get an asshole I just end the call block and move on. I tend to take the high road and just say hey we are not connecting or I dont think I am what you are looking for thanks for calling me have a great day. I do this even with the incest guys it is not worth getting all worked up over. I rarely have to block someone. Not sure what "docs" you uploaded though that is confusing me. When you set up nf you set up an account with a credit card prepaids work just fine even ones that you can not add funds to. It charges the card $1 which you get back in a few days. After that you set up some listings go into your (my personal info) update all that. Then go into set up payout set that up and you are done. Yeah there is tons of work that you need to do such as your profile page, doing your name recording, recording snippets for your listings, all your writing and html for your listings etc. But unless you are talking about the goodbag section there is no documents.

CatBBW
07-29-2014, 05:43 PM
I just uploaded my docs for NiteFlirt and plan to get my listing up this week. I'm nervous because I've never done PSO before, but guys compliment my dirty talk all the time, so hopefully I can work off that. Don't know about playing a "character" or anything, I am just going to be me for the first little bit. Thank you for this thread, I've learned heaps and feel more confident than when I started reading!


I've not been asked for any docs - is this normal?

dianecallaway
07-29-2014, 06:05 PM
I've not been asked for any docs - is this normal?Not that I am aware of however I do not use the goody section of the site that is the only part that should ask for docs UNLESS she is not in the united states it may be different in that case.

JaneBurgess
07-29-2014, 09:51 PM
You'll do fine, its a lot like cam. I was nervous too but I love not having to be dolled up, I just log in and turn on the phone only lines. I do cam on there sometimes but only when I want to.



I just uploaded my docs for NiteFlirt and plan to get my listing up this week. I'm nervous because I've never done PSO before, but guys compliment my dirty talk all the time, so hopefully I can work off that. Don't know about playing a "character" or anything, I am just going to be me for the first little bit. Thank you for this thread, I've learned heaps and feel more confident than when I started reading!

JaceyLynn
07-30-2014, 05:40 AM
I have seriously been thinking about becoming a PSO for about 12+ years, and while I have had phone sex in my personal life, and just joking around on "party lines" when I was I was about 18-22, I sometimes wonder if I will ever have the guts to just go for it, seemed like it was easier for me when I was younger and now I just get nervous thinking about it. I think it might be that way because I know its a job, there are rating and reviews to take into consideration and I know in a way I need to take it seriously if I plan to make money at it.

CatBBW
07-30-2014, 06:11 AM
I want to get in the group and share what I've been doing and help you ladies get

36054

here ^^ :)

Where do I find the section showing in the attatchment, please?

CatBBW
07-30-2014, 06:21 AM
I opened a confession line and its just starting to get calls... but men are calling "confessing" some pretty fucked up things. Maybe I should jack the price up to as compensation for how fucked up people can get.

I was wondering about this. What happens if they talk about something that NF don't allow? Are you supposed to cut the call? Or can you allow it to continue, as you weren't the one who advertised it or instigated it?

dianecallaway
07-30-2014, 09:33 AM
I was wondering about this. What happens if they talk about something that NF don't allow? Are you supposed to cut the call? Or can you allow it to continue, as you weren't the one who advertised it or instigated it?technically you are suppose to try and redirect the call or end the call. Now NF does NOT monitor calls they can but in all the years I have been there they have not. They can not say you can talk about things that can potentially be considered obscene. Now there are things I as a person will not talk about I couldnt care less about the rules children, animals, scat, and incest are by biggies. I had a man on there years ago who was a high ranking person with the Discovery Channel that wanted to talk about dismembering women yeah that was a no go too and he paid beyond good. He was great when he was sober but when he was high his talks always went really dark nope I dropped him took me 6months to get rid of him because he kept resetting up accounts. Its like this you have to make your own decision on what you are willing to talk about some of their you cant talk about this rules are a little over the top but some of them are valid. Girls that are fussing about it I can pretty much are guarantee they are fussing because they are jealous of the fact they THINK you are making more money then they do. You have to understand legally NF puts those rules up to protect themselves.

Bootsie
07-30-2014, 09:36 AM
Ugh, this is what I get for signing up to 2 sites on the same day...lol I didn't do docs for Nite Flirt.

dianecallaway
07-30-2014, 09:55 AM
Ugh, this is what I get for signing up to 2 sites on the same day...lol I didn't do docs for Nite Flirt. we all have those days LOL

chloemay
07-30-2014, 12:52 PM
I have seriously been thinking about becoming a PSO for about 12+ years, and while I have had phone sex in my personal life, and just joking around on "party lines" when I was I was about 18-22, I sometimes wonder if I will ever have the guts to just go for it, seemed like it was easier for me when I was younger and now I just get nervous thinking about it. I think it might be that way because I know its a job, there are rating and reviews to take into consideration and I know in a way I need to take it seriously if I plan to make money at it.

On niteflirt you can delete and recreate a listing if you feel bad ratings or reviews are hurting you. But, as long as you seem natural and focused on the conversation you should be fine. It isn't brain surgery. Make a pretty, attractive to men listing, be flirty, most important points imo. 10 year pso here. For bigger money, have a blog/ website, sell clips or recordings, use social media.

dianecallaway
07-30-2014, 03:34 PM
On niteflirt you can delete and recreate a listing if you feel bad ratings or reviews are hurting you. But, as long as you seem natural and focused on the conversation you should be fine. It isn't brain surgery. Make a pretty, attractive to men listing, be flirty, most important points imo. 10 year pso here. For bigger money, have a blog/ website, sell clips or recordings, use social media.
Deleting a listing no longer works it used to work but doesnt anymore I found that out when I started a new one a few months ago you have to delete the whole account which can cause a lot of issues with credit cards, phone lines etc. It is actually good to have a few bads mixed in with a lot of goods it shows you are human and I have some bads that got me a crap load of calls. Other than that which is just a change in the site from how it used to be couldnt agree more. :)

JaceyLynn
07-30-2014, 04:53 PM
Thank you for the advice and info ladies :) It is appriciated. I am just gonna continue to read up on it and work on making my listings look great over the next few days and then take it from there.

Bootsie
08-02-2014, 08:52 AM
Does anyone else use a Skype number for Niteflirt, and have you ever had any issues with it? I can call my Skype number just fine from another phone, but when I tried to record my member name, the call didn't come through.

dianecallaway
08-02-2014, 10:38 AM
Does anyone else use a Skype number for Niteflirt, and have you ever had any issues with it? I can call my Skype number just fine from another phone, but when I tried to record my member name, the call didn't come through.I use both a google number and a skype number I have not had issues with either one. I have 9 accounts so that is why I use a vonage line, a google number and a skype number. If you are using a cell phone it will deal you fits. I can not say this enough because I fought a cell phone for a number of years. I have two houses one that has an att line and one that has a vonage when I went to a high speed internet and a landline 95% of my phone issues went away. When I fought with att to get the noise line taken care of that fixed a number of other issues. I would double check to make sure you have forwarding number put in correctly and I would try to call your skype number from a few different phones to make sure your forwarding number is ringing to the right phone. Also, set your forward calls if I do not answer to "1" second and see if that helps. Your nf calls may be timing out in the server if it is set too high. Another thing shut all your other accounts off before you try and record your greeting. :)

Bootsie
08-02-2014, 11:19 AM
Thanks!

BlondebombGA
08-19-2014, 02:02 PM
*****Please give the PSO Land group a look if you have not been there in a few days. Immediate action needed from non-active members. Thanks!

GracieBlue
08-19-2014, 04:26 PM
*****Please give the PSO Land group a look if you have not been there in a few days. Immediate action needed from non-active members. Thanks!

I just asked to join! Hope it's still open! :)

JaceyLynn
08-20-2014, 01:03 PM
Do you think sprucing up your profiles attract more clients?

DonaDiabla
08-20-2014, 02:20 PM
That depends on your customer base and if you want more clients. You can get clients with a lackluster profile but you would have to hustle your listings harder.


Do you think sprucing up your profiles attract more clients?

dianecallaway
08-20-2014, 03:05 PM
Do you think sprucing up your profiles attract more clients? Yes and NO! Here is the deal you need a strong foundation of advertising behind any profile on nf. Nf places you by how many clicks you get on your page to how many you convert aka calls. So you need to have a catchy phrase and a catchy thumbnail that gets the potential customers that are already on the site. Do not be afraid to change these out if they are just not working. Then you need a good page that gives the guys an idea of what you are going to provide on the call. That is what converts them. Pictures are great BASIC graphics leave out all the flashing stuff because it is hard for tables and phones to load and a lot of guys are using these now. Also, you need a strong back bone of getting outside guys to come to your page on your own. The length of calls carries smaller weight than new calls and repeat calls also carry less weight.