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TeenageAnnie
10-16-2014, 08:47 AM
thanks Snowy.
do you know how i go about uploading this?
so its basically a html page with url links coded into the image in certain sessions making that part clickable.. i guess.. so where do i host the html files?

grneyesnfl
10-16-2014, 06:16 PM
Having trouble setting Twitter up keep getting the same message "Authentication to the social media site has failed". Anyone else?

If you're talking about NF's Shout Outs/Twitter feature, I think I read in the NF florum a few days ago that it wasn't working right now. That may be why you're getting an error.

Missymissdemeanour
10-17-2014, 05:19 AM
I have bid for position and accordingly my main charachter should be in position #2 but I can't find myself on any page! I am logged in and available for calls, so is this a normal NF glitch or a one off? Anyone else seeing this or seen it in the past? Is there anything I can do to change it?

Seems to have corrected itself now and I am where I should be lol. Would still be interested to know if anyone else had this issue and if its a regular glitch ?

FrenchFeet
10-17-2014, 07:20 AM
Hi All,
I'm new on this site.
I have a few questions about NF. Any of you ladies are from the UK? It seems to be a great US site but then it gets a bit complicated for UK. How do they pay their UK flirts? Phone wise as well do you need a US number or is a UK mobile number ok? I have read through their help section but I'm getting really confused :(

FrenchFeet
10-17-2014, 07:20 AM
Hi All,
I'm new on this site.
I have a few questions about NF. Any of you ladies are from the UK? It seems to be a great US site but then it gets a bit complicated for UK. How do they pay their UK flirts? Phone wise as well do you need a US number or is a UK mobile number ok? I have read through their help section but I'm getting really confused :(

Heid009
10-17-2014, 07:31 AM
Hi All,
I'm new on this site.
I have a few questions about NF. Any of you ladies are from the UK? It seems to be a great US site but then it gets a bit complicated for UK. How do they pay their UK flirts? Phone wise as well do you need a US number or is a UK mobile number ok? I have read through their help section but I'm getting really confused :(



It's all on their help page here:

https://support.niteflirt.com/home

- they will pay you by check once you reach 25$
- if you use a UK number the connection fee increases, but as stated in their help section -you can

FrenchFeet
10-17-2014, 07:35 AM
I'm going to give it a go. Thanks so much for reply xx

dianecallaway
10-17-2014, 01:26 PM
Hi All,
I'm new on this site.
I have a few questions about NF. Any of you ladies are from the UK? It seems to be a great US site but then it gets a bit complicated for UK. How do they pay their UK flirts? Phone wise as well do you need a US number or is a UK mobile number ok? I have read through their help section but I'm getting really confused :(

If you can get a skype or vonage or something similar number you will be better off. They pay in American Dollars so if I was you I would find a bank account that automatically changes over or get some type of card. Your biggest hurdles are how to get around the additional connection fees and how to change your money from American Dollars to your local currency.

FrenchFeet
10-17-2014, 02:57 PM
Thank you so much for your help xx

TeenageAnnie
10-17-2014, 03:19 PM
I'm UK niteflirt user, using my normal ordinary UK mobile phone number and I receive cheques in the post. Although i would like to get a card for that daily pay thing but not a clue where to start.

Snowy0Star
10-17-2014, 03:22 PM
I'm UK niteflirt user, using my normal ordinary UK mobile phone number and I receive cheques in the post. Although i would like to get a card for that daily pay thing but not a clue where to start.

I use a green dot card its a prepaid card but it has a US routing and account number so u can take direct deposit loads with it. you might be able to order one online or get someone from america to get one for u then mail it to u.

FrenchFeet
10-17-2014, 03:34 PM
That's really useful both of you Will let you know when I'm set up! ;D @ teenageAnnie the bank doesn't frown too much when you pay in your cheques?

Missymissdemeanour
10-18-2014, 06:46 AM
That's really useful both of you Will let you know when I'm set up! ;D @ teenageAnnie the bank doesn't frown too much when you pay in your cheques? Why would the bank frown?

I am also in the UK and use my old UK mobile :)

TeenageAnnie
10-18-2014, 10:22 AM
That's really useful both of you Will let you know when I'm set up! ;D @ teenageAnnie the bank doesn't frown too much when you pay in your cheques?

My bank has a machine, sort of like an ATM, that you fill in a slip and put the slip with your cheque into the machine and its all automatic and shit. I never speak to the actual cashier. Not that I mind, it's just that everytime I go, the cashier desks are closed and only the Robot Paying In machines are available. You can even use these machines to put in Cash into your bank account. I don't know if other banks have this feature but mine does. I dnt really wanna disclose what bank Im with though.

Rina
10-18-2014, 10:31 AM
Annie my bank has the same thing. I think most banks have then now, you just have to check the location to make sure it has a full-service ATM that takes deposits. I haven't seen a teller in years. Also some banks will let you scan your check with your phone.

My bank has a machine, sort of like an ATM, that you fill in a slip and put the slip with your cheque into the machine and its all automatic and shit. I never speak to the actual cashier. Not that I mind, it's just that everytime I go, the cashier desks are closed and only the Robot Paying In machines are available. You can even use these machines to put in Cash into your bank account. I don't know if other banks have this feature but mine does. I dnt really wanna disclose what bank Im with though.

Nikki_Fox
10-18-2014, 10:35 AM
Atm's scare the crap out of me - i just recently went to one and it deducted the money off my card and didnt give me the money. i had to file a dispute with my cc company - i got the money back 3 weeks later -

dianecallaway
10-18-2014, 12:05 PM
Im in the United States and if I go to a teller window the bank charges me $8 but if I use the atm its all free. I know its so freaking stupid but I have all my stuff through my bank so I just live with it and grumble. However I dont know if you have this in your country but we can deposit checks using our cell phones and I use that feature a lot. I would check into an american number though just because why give away money if you can get one fairly cheap.

islandsoutherngirl
10-24-2014, 07:28 AM
Girl I gave up - I am standing somewhere with my morphing boobs not properly attached - lol - and tsani had a sky box for SW ladies to use but she quit so IDK - i would love to make money ther but I think the learning curve was a bit much

Would love to see morphing boobs lol. When I tried SL I had a difficult time trying to figure it all out. Perhaps now that I have more free time I will start over and see what happens.

justanothercamgirl
10-24-2014, 02:21 PM
I was hoping that you lovely ladies could help me figure out how much I should sell my videos for at NF? Should I keep videos short and cheap?

Rina
10-24-2014, 05:56 PM
Short but not cheap.

DonaDiabla
10-24-2014, 07:09 PM
Do short but do not sell them for cheap. :)



I was hoping that you lovely ladies could help me figure out how much I should sell my videos for at NF? Should I keep videos short and cheap?

Missymissdemeanour
10-25-2014, 04:36 AM
I have a couple of short vids in goodybags atm appx 3 mins long priced at $5. I'm not sure how to define cheap. I mean if these clips were over 5 mins and explicit then yeah $5 is way too cheap, but they are almost like intro's to the full length versions which are over 10 mins long & very explicit, which when available will be priced at anything over $20.

I was hoping that you lovely ladies could help me figure out how much I should sell my videos for at NF? Should I keep videos short and cheap?

justanothercamgirl
10-25-2014, 07:48 AM
What do you girls consider 'not cheap'?

I consider anything less then $1 a minute to be cheap but I figured I'd check in with you lovely ladies to compare notes. :D

dianecallaway
10-25-2014, 08:56 AM
What do you girls consider 'not cheap'?

I consider anything less then $1 a minute to be cheap but I figured I'd check in with you lovely ladies to compare notes. :D I think a $1 a min is very reasonable. Here is the deal girls always say dont go cheap but they rarely if ever say how much they average per month off of sales. I chose to do a standard price for my movies because it made it easier to advertise. To be honest clips/movies have NEVER been our big money makers. They do help get guys to call/do shows but they only account for under $500 a month in income. Now back in 06-08 clips for us did a lot better but through the years and I have seen others say this as well clips(short movies) and long movies have dropped in revenue. Mainly due to all the free stuff that also exploded during this time. That being said do movies they help in a lot of ways, however, I would keep in mind what they ultimately do at least for us and for a number of other people that I know. They bring in guys for other types of sales. I would keep your prices reasonable $1-$2 a min or set a flat price across board. Whatever works out best for you. If you are putting a LOT of production cost into a movie then obviously you have to charge more. A lot of girls have had success with selling new movies for more and dropping the price of their older stuff. I have no issue with a girl saying dont sell cheap but I would be leery of taking that advice unless she answers the question you posed AND is willing to tell you what she averages on a month to month basis.

dianecallaway
10-25-2014, 09:01 AM
OH one more thought on this. I am making a lot of changes in the coming year we are shooting a LOT Of new stuff so my thoughts may change with the changes I am making so give me some wiggle room. LOL

chloemay
10-25-2014, 01:36 PM
I think a $1 a min is very reasonable. Here is the deal girls always say dont go cheap but they rarely if ever say how much they average per month off of sales. I chose to do a standard price for my movies because it made it easier to advertise. To be honest clips/movies have NEVER been our big money makers. They do help get guys to call/do shows but they only account for under $500 a month in income. Now back in 06-08 clips for us did a lot better but through the years and I have seen others say this as well clips(short movies) and long movies have dropped in revenue. Mainly due to all the free stuff that also exploded during this time. That being said do movies they help in a lot of ways, however, I would keep in mind what they ultimately do at least for us and for a number of other people that I know. They bring in guys for other types of sales. I would keep your prices reasonable $1-$2 a min or set a flat price across board. Whatever works out best for you. If you are putting a LOT of production cost into a movie then obviously you have to charge more. A lot of girls have had success with selling new movies for more and dropping the price of their older stuff. I have no issue with a girl saying dont sell cheap but I would be leery of taking that advice unless she answers the question you posed AND is willing to tell you what she averages on a month to month basis.

Okay, but to be clear, your girls are at some of the lowest prices on the site. So, the customers attracted are going to be searching based on a low price. Mid-tier pricing such as $1.69 and up for phone only and 2.99 for cam customers will be used to paying more for clips, and adjust upward for the pricier listing girls. One wants her clip prices to make sense with her per minute prices, and frankly Clips4sale is the cheapest, it took me forever to wrap my mind around $1.00 per minute when they get to watch the clip over and over again, versus $3 a minute for live cam.

Niteflirt guys will pay more than Clips4sale average pricing because the phone sex aspect means they "get to know you" as a person rather than just a purveyor of amateur porn.

dianecallaway
10-25-2014, 06:15 PM
I guess I dont know what you are basing this on. I consistently beat girls that I KNOW meaning physically am friends with when we get to end of year numbers. The problem with charging more is your pool of guys becomes less. So if a girl is offering a certain fetish that is hard to find guys will absolutely pay for that. If you are just a common girl doing common videos that he can get free off of xhamster or the like then you are having to compete on him wanting YOU not the action you are doing. Another thing you have to remember is that 47 percent of people had incomes of less than 25,000 dollars. Twenty-eight percent of people had incomes of between 25,000 and 50,000 dollars. Thirteen percent of people had incomes of 50,000 to 75,000 dollars. About five percent had incomes between 75,000 and 100,000 dollars, while just six percent had incomes that were more than 100,000 dollars. Yes I did look that up. I have been at this for almost 10 years granted I have not been on Nf for that long but I have been in this industry. This thought process that guys think that paying more for something gets them a better product is something I have NEVER heard from guys, fellow producers, or other people in the business side of the industry. I do hear it from fellow girls which maybe they are just making more than me and hey I am more than cool with that. If you are more than kudos to you! Now please share some advertising secrets cuz the majority of us girls could use a few tips. ;) I however have stats from nf that go back to the day I started which was before "the crash" (both the nf one and the banking industry one). My stats tell me that what guys buy the vast majority of what they buy falls between the $5-$10 range. I do have things that on other sites far older than nf for me that are well above that but that is the price range my guys buy in day in and day out. I have talked to other guys/gals in the industry on the payment side and that is pretty much what they tell me too. Now if you have stats that are completely different from mine I am really interested in seeing them. I am not saying I am right I am saying with the data I CURRENTLY have I feel that position is pretty solid. I am always open for change though. :) You mention live cam that is a completely different beast we charge currently right around $3.99 per min on that BUT they take a higher cut, they spend far way more on advertising like the company we work with I see advertisements on late night cable (never seen that on nf) they have hundreds of more sites that pour into their site. So just to give you an idea nf's currently daily views is around 59K per day (that is DOWN WAY down from where it was 3 months ago). The cam site we work for is 121K for ONE site they have hundreds that dump in. That is just apples and oranges you can not even compare the two of them they are completely different beasts. Now clips4sale is right around 252K per day BUT look at what you are competing against. (they are way down as well). You can but I would not suggest comparing a company that has hundreds of thousands of hits per day to one that is barely carrying 60K. However, if you can plug into a fetish that is unique you are absolutely right guys will pay more on nf or if you can get a guy that "falls" for your girl you can too. Your average caller buys on impulse he does not think about price vs quality. All the guys I have talked to over the years buy on impulse (ie think about the guy that comes home with a motorcyle out of the blue). I have guys that I have made 10K of thousands off of on NF a significant number of 10K but the guy that I can count on is the guy that calls me to get off before he gets caught by the girl. We are an impulse buy for the majority of people we serve. That is why nf is now set up like it is because they know what I know we need a steady stream of traffic coming in "regulars" are only regular for a limited amount of time. That is why call length, repeat buys, ptv's, and a few other things have slid down in algorithm and your hits vs calls ratio has gone up. They want you to convert more people instead of holding on to certain guys. (yes I have talked to them about this. I am not saying charge what I charge what I am saying is understand that the kinds of guys that can afford $2 a min and up is a lot smaller pool to get than the ones that can afford a less amount. That is not my opinion that is just demographics. If you want to go for that pool of guys go for it but go for it with the understanding that you will have to work harder. Think of it this way when you walk into a casino where are all the people are they hanging out waiting in line to play the high end high dollar games or are all the smaller slot machines always packed? Do it how you want and more power to you but please understand that not all of us set our price point based on a hunch or a feeling some of us have put a lot of research into what we do and why we do it. Even if you dont agree with my price point you can still learn from my method just like I can always learn from someone's method.

dianecallaway
10-25-2014, 06:33 PM
GRR I wrote all that out which made me go look at the NF blog and it is SHIT I mean HORRID! I dont know who they have writing it up it is awful they are advertising through the writing of their blog for PLAYBOY, PORNHUB (FREE PORN) btw and their articles are way too short google will not pick up anything under 400 words. Their key word's are over used and under searched WTF!!! No wonder we have had an almost 30% drop in traffic since August. Well I am always trying to say how to write a blog now you can go look at NF's blog and easily see how to NOT right a blog. They dont even talk about their business as you would to a customer. OH that just irritated me to no end.

apryll11
10-26-2014, 12:16 AM
What do you girls consider 'not cheap'?

I consider anything less then $1 a minute to be cheap but I figured I'd check in with you lovely ladies to compare notes. :D

For me when it comes to "cheap" its completely relative to what I am selling. Like if I'm selling a pedicure vid and a foot fetishes session with JOI, if I sell the pedicure vid at .50 a min for a 10 min clip, honestly to me that's not cheap that's reasonable, hell if it was a vid pack and its .10 a min for 25 vids, I would also find that reasonable. Now as for the fetish film I would clearly be having mental issues if I priced it that low, anything under 2.50 would be low in my eyes. If I saw someone else pricing something of worth that low I would assume its shit quality.

Missymissdemeanour
10-26-2014, 05:20 AM
Thats what I was trying to say lol, and yeah anything under $1 per min is cheap IMO .

For me when it comes to "cheap" its completely relative to what I am selling. Like if I'm selling a pedicure vid and a foot fetishes session with JOI, if I sell the pedicure vid at .50 a min for a 10 min clip, honestly to me that's not cheap that's reasonable, hell if it was a vid pack and its .10 a min for 25 vids, I would also find that reasonable. Now as for the fetish film I would clearly be having mental issues if I priced it that low, anything under 2.50 would be low in my eyes. If I saw someone else pricing something of worth that low I would assume its shit quality.

sexysusie
10-26-2014, 06:13 PM
Just a note for UK girls re the bank comments above - nationwide does not accept US cheques for less that $200 anymore. They'll also take somewhere in the region of 3 months to mess around and tell you this though! Barclays and tsb are fine x

chloemay
10-27-2014, 01:39 AM
[QUOTE=dianecallaway;2688580]I guess I dont know what you are basing this on. I consistently beat girls that I KNOW meaning physically am friends with when we get to end of year numbers. The problem with charging more is your pool of guys becomes less. So if a girl is offering a certain fetish that is hard to find guys will absolutely pay for that. If you are just a common girl doing common videos that he can get free off of xhamster or the like then you are having to compete on him wanting YOU not the action you are doing."

First, I do learn a lot from your posts and appreciate you sharing information. My point about pricing is neutral, not judgmental. A listing that is successful charging under 1.00 per minute for phone sex, or under 2.00 per minute for cam on Niteflirt will probably attract customers who also want to pay less for clips. There are listings that charge $3.00 per minute, and I'm sent mail on Niteflirt from a flirt with pay-per-views that she charges $35 for- different people, diferent business models.

Your point about the economy is well-taken. I lowered my phone sex price from $1.99 a minute to $1.75 a couple of months ago, there was no difference in the number of calls, so I bumped it up to $1.80 and will probably keep sliding it back up. The vast majority of my income from any sex-based site has come from men who are specifically into my character, rather than any action that is being done, so naturally I am there to attract men who want to interact with my character for whatever reason.

Yes, there are those impulse buyers who just like random big tits or what-not, and you are right they can find that for free online so I don't consider that my competition. The big difference, and what my customers are paying for, between porn and phone sex OR cam on niteflrit is that I am interacting with the customer. He isn't jacking off to images that have nothing to do with him, we are engaging in a sexual situation together. That costs $$$ to happen with me.

If someone is charging a lot less to do the same thing, but has three times as many customers and is thus banking, more power to them! My pricing is not based on a hunch, it is the amount I need to make to perform the service I provide. This is a personal thing, I can't get into it if I am making less than a dollar a minute for phone sex or 2 for cam. Sexual interaction should not be cheap.

With that said, we are all our own, independent business owners. We pay our own bills and what works for one girl may not work for another. I hope my thoughts have been expressed in a non-insulting way, as I do not mean them as such.

sexysusie
10-27-2014, 02:02 AM
100% agree with the above. I would never charge less than $3 per minute on NF for phone and in fact I charge 3.99, any less than 3 results in pennies for me after % cuts and conversion rates. It's not worth it. Plus the fact if I wanted to make so little for my time and effort I'd rather do it in something that wasn't so risky to my privacy or sense of self worth (I say that because selling myself for low rates, no matter how much more business it resulted in, would make ME PERSONALLY feel worthless). Know your worth ladies, and know that the market WILL pay!

DonaDiabla
10-28-2014, 07:53 PM
I think that between 1-10 dollars per minute is good for phone and webcam should be starting at 3.99 and up. Clips can be about 5.99 and up. More if you have more production value in your clips. But that is just my opinion :) Some ladies make bank off 99 cents a min and some ladies make bank at 5.99 and up. Usually, I start phone sex off at 1.00 for some characters and 5.99 for others.But, I also have tons of characters on Niteflirt. I hope that answer your question in depth.



What do you girls consider 'not cheap'?

I consider anything less then $1 a minute to be cheap but I figured I'd check in with you lovely ladies to compare notes. :D

JaneBurgess
10-29-2014, 01:51 AM
Niteflirt has been picking up a lot and I dont even bid. As for rates you should never charge a super low rate. That is killing is industry. All these guys expect cheap because there are performers willing to give it to them.

dianecallaway
10-29-2014, 10:26 AM
I was going to let this go but no one is giving anything useful. I put everything out there for everyone to see. I have yet to see anyone go hey I average x amount per day, or x amount per week or even x amount per year. If you want to say I am wrong AWESOME I can take it but put how many hours you work and how much you make per something that people can use. What is killing the industry is FREE sites rates are not a problem never have been never will be. You can ask anyone in the industry and they will ALL tell you that xhamster, and the like are what is killing it. Also, we are losing all our places to advertise I have lost well over 50 in the last two years. Just STOP it stop being this type of person stop coming down on your fellow girl what a girl charges has never been and will never be a problem EVER! If she is not making the money she will quit and move on. If she is making enough money to stay on year after year full time then hey maybe she is onto something. Nf is already looking into the drop in traffic I have been talking to them about it for days. In fact instead of "fussing" at them or about them I have been sending them ideas and ways to work together to help each other out. I am so tired of this I have been on NF since 2008 and I have made well above a living wage EVERY year including the one where it all crashed. My income is within a few thousand dollars EVERY year. I am not hurting you or anyone else. My husband chases stolen content every month mainly on xhamster and such. It would cost me well over $150K in legal fees to sue these places and that just does not seem doable for me. I have talked to an attorney about it not to mention tracking them down and getting them served because most of their business is over seas. The girls that charge around .70-$1 are not hurting you they never did especially if what you girls say is true that there are two sets of men those that buy cheap and those that buy for quality. I can assure you that thinking is WRONG I have a number of men that call me every week and I have asked them again. ONE said the first time he logged in he thought that but after about the third call he realized his thinking was wrong. My income on nf is pretty much the same from week to week it may vary by $100 or so from a good week to a bad week but I am consistent in what I do. Now I am struggling this year simply because I want to break the glass ceiling so that is a hard thing to push through I understand that and I accept it. If you want to claim I am wrong great do so all day long but shoot out some usable information not your opinion, your feelings, your intuition, or anything else. I open myself up not because I want to but because I have been the new girl getting vague unusable information. I have been the girl getting HATE mail how I am ruining the site. I have raised my rates to $1.99 a min and made $200 a week. I have taken this advice everyone is shooting out and for me and the girls that I know the amount made is no even in the same capacity that I pull in. If I am wrong great now prove it.

Dont be this group of girls this is not helpful in anyway this is not productive in anyway. Be the group of girls that gives good solid information and lets the other girl decide.

Also just so you girls are aware the Columbian girls in 2008 were being paid $4 a week to work on cam sites and given room and board. I had a really good friend that was part of Naked and he would tell me about his trips down to Columbia of course Naked was not the only place that was doing this. Russian (area) girls are about the same.

I am not angry I just dont want to see this group of girls start this whole way of thinking it is not going to help anyone run their business. We are here to discuss business and that means numbers, demographics, and technical. I have worked corporate for a very long time I understand business and this type of thinking is why women have such a hard time succeeding. To succeed we have to look at the data and compare apple to apples.

DonaDiabla
10-29-2014, 03:45 PM
Actually, Diane, you have an great idea. I would say that I am making about 100 to 500 an week with each one of my Nf characters. Plus I have more than 5 phone sex characters on Niteflirt. Usually, my clients make appointments with me just like they would do on Talkwithme.com. Since I used Second Life to advertise for my niteflirt service...it has help me out a lot. I make money off both Niteflirt and Second Life at the same time :) However, Second Life can be kinda of weird towards sex workers at times. But you will be able to meet different clients through different clubs and events such as Bishes club. Please make sure that you created an avatar that looks like your character or self on Niteflirt. I put in about 35 hours per week into Niteflirt. I advertised on social media sites including tumblr and twitter. Tumblr has worked out great for niche fetishes such as raceplay and foot fetishes. However, I had to advertised on Second Life for findom slaves and subs. Backpage often works as well for getting new clients. One of my domme characters makes money off paid email alone because of one client just wants use paid email. By the way, I do not think you are wrong but simply stating that everyone can charge whatever they want. I had to raise my rates several times on Niteflirt in order to get a great clientele. Now, I do not devote myself to Niteflirt like many other ladies but it is a great monthly income for me. I hope we can compare apples to apples now :)


I was going to let this go but no one is giving anything useful. I put everything out there for everyone to see. I have yet to see anyone go hey I average x amount per day, or x amount per week or even x amount per year. If you want to say I am wrong AWESOME I can take it but put how many hours you work and how much you make per something that people can use. What is killing the industry is FREE sites rates are not a problem never have been never will be. You can ask anyone in the industry and they will ALL tell you that xhamster, and the like are what is killing it. Also, we are losing all our places to advertise I have lost well over 50 in the last two years. Just STOP it stop being this type of person stop coming down on your fellow girl what a girl charges has never been and will never be a problem EVER! If she is not making the money she will quit and move on. If she is making enough money to stay on year after year full time then hey maybe she is onto something. Nf is already looking into the drop in traffic I have been talking to them about it for days. In fact instead of "fussing" at them or about them I have been sending them ideas and ways to work together to help each other out. I am so tired of this I have been on NF since 2008 and I have made well above a living wage EVERY year including the one where it all crashed. My income is within a few thousand dollars EVERY year. I am not hurting you or anyone else. My husband chases stolen content every month mainly on xhamster and such. It would cost me well over $150K in legal fees to sue these places and that just does not seem doable for me. I have talked to an attorney about it not to mention tracking them down and getting them served because most of their business is over seas. The girls that charge around .70-$1 are not hurting you they never did especially if what you girls say is true that there are two sets of men those that buy cheap and those that buy for quality. I can assure you that thinking is WRONG I have a number of men that call me every week and I have asked them again. ONE said the first time he logged in he thought that but after about the third call he realized his thinking was wrong. My income on nf is pretty much the same from week to week it may vary by $100 or so from a good week to a bad week but I am consistent in what I do. Now I am struggling this year simply because I want to break the glass ceiling so that is a hard thing to push through I understand that and I accept it. If you want to claim I am wrong great do so all day long but shoot out some usable information not your opinion, your feelings, your intuition, or anything else. I open myself up not because I want to but because I have been the new girl getting vague unusable information. I have been the girl getting HATE mail how I am ruining the site. I have raised my rates to $1.99 a min and made $200 a week. I have taken this advice everyone is shooting out and for me and the girls that I know the amount made is no even in the same capacity that I pull in. If I am wrong great now prove it.

Dont be this group of girls this is not helpful in anyway this is not productive in anyway. Be the group of girls that gives good solid information and lets the other girl decide.

Also just so you girls are aware the Columbian girls in 2008 were being paid $4 a week to work on cam sites and given room and board. I had a really good friend that was part of Naked and he would tell me about his trips down to Columbia of course Naked was not the only place that was doing this. Russian (area) girls are about the same.

I am not angry I just dont want to see this group of girls start this whole way of thinking it is not going to help anyone run their business. We are here to discuss business and that means numbers, demographics, and technical. I have worked corporate for a very long time I understand business and this type of thinking is why women have such a hard time succeeding. To succeed we have to look at the data and compare apple to apples.

dianecallaway
10-29-2014, 04:34 PM
Actually, Diane, you have an great idea. I would say that I am making about 100 to 500 an week with each one of my Nf characters. Plus I have more than 5 phone sex characters on Niteflirt. Usually, my clients make appointments with me just like they would do on Talkwithme.com. Since I used Second Life to advertise for my niteflirt service...it has help me out a lot. I make money off both Niteflirt and Second Life at the same time :) However, Second Life can be kinda of weird towards sex workers at times. But you will be able to meet different clients through different clubs and events such as Bishes club. Please make sure that you created an avatar that looks like your character or self on Niteflirt. I put in about 35 hours per week into Niteflirt. I advertised on social media sites including tumblr and twitter. Tumblr has worked out great for niche fetishes such as raceplay and foot fetishes. However, I had to advertised on Second Life for findom slaves and subs. Backpage often works as well for getting new clients. One of my domme characters makes money off paid email alone because of one client just wants use paid email. By the way, I do not think you are wrong but simply stating that everyone can charge whatever they want. I had to raise my rates several times on Niteflirt in order to get a great clientele. Now, I do not devote myself to Niteflirt like many other ladies but it is a great monthly income for me. I hope we can compare apples to apples now :)

You really made me soooooo happy this is how we all help each other! We will all learn from each other and I don't in any think I am above anyone and every day I learn something new. I dont know anything about second life and after the first of the year I may delve into it to see if I can figure it out. Right now I am working hard to finish with a number of things including setting up the the blog for the coming year. I am setting up goodies here in the next few weeks but mine will all be pg13 because of all the 2257 stuff.

Rina
10-29-2014, 05:20 PM
I think everyone has to charge the rate that works for them. The same man will call .99/1.99/2.99. I have different characters at different price points, and the same guys call all three. My .99 cent character is new for me. I find higher prices girls sell more content and get fewer calls, a lower price you get more volume. You can make good money at a lower rate. It's a question of what will work for a particular character. It also depends on niche. Vanilla/fetish/MILF different niches can command different price points. It also depends how into your guys are.

I also change my prices during the day or late at night on weekends etc. It took me a while to learn not to be married to a certain price. Now there is a price I won't go below because I don't make the money I want at it. The best price is the price that works for you, and makes the money you want to make.

Now I mainly do custom content only for my regs because I can charge more and I also have a pretty decent pool of regs who will pay for custom MP3s because they like the way I hit their kink. So that I will price higher than I would for vanilla. Study the market and what it will bear. Remember it is possible to price yourself out of the market. Many of the very high priced girls have built that luxury fanbase over time.

The worst thing you can do in this business is refuse to change or be open to new ways of doing things.

Nikki_Fox
10-29-2014, 06:42 PM
did anyone see this message in the yellow top box


If you use Express Pay for your Flirt Payout, please be aware that Express Pay will be deducted from your account by noon PST on Thursday Oct. 30. While there will be a delay in deducting it from your account, this will not delay the time it takes for the funds from your NiteFlirt account to be sent to your bank.

addytoi
10-29-2014, 06:55 PM
Yeah. Usually Expresspay is taken out at midnight. It has already happened for today too.

Nikki_Fox
10-29-2014, 07:01 PM
whatttt - I thought I read that we were going to get charged for it - oh lawrdy its been a long day

addytoi
10-29-2014, 07:04 PM
Lol. Don't feel bad. When I read Expresspay I was expecting to say that they were gonna start charging. I don't understand why they say that it was gonna be delayed and then took out of my account already.

JaneBurgess
10-30-2014, 01:17 AM
Sites like Xhamster have been around for years. They don't help but that also aren't the reason so many sites have issues right now. You also cant say girls charging low rates don't hurt anyone else because the reality is they do hurt adult businesses. Streamate is a perfect example of what happens when you allow your site to charge low rates. Before Gold shows most performers were doing very well on there and customers were willing to pay. Once they added Gold shows the site started having issues. Traffic is down by half, many good customers left, performers are charging cheap shows and the customer base has changed drastically. Cheap will always hurts businesses and there are many examples to prove that.

I don't think it's productive to skip over issues that hurt sites at all. Part of helping other performers includes talking about issues that effect sites and how to work to change them. The adult industry suffers because of cheap or free, that's a fact. A customer won't value you if you don't value yourself. I had a long NF show last night and my cut was $250. I have done many shows with this customer and he knows I am good at what I do. Value yourself, don't charge a cheap rate because others do or because it's slow. I haven't dropped my rates and I wont because there are always amazing customers that will pay your rates and they usually buy longer shows. I've actually had customers tell me on many sites they wont buy cheaper shows because they wonder why the performer charges such low rates.

If its slow promote on social media. FaceBook, Twitter, Tumblr, SnapChat, etc are all great ways to get your info out their for free. You can also make a blog or small site to promote your services on. There are also huge forums like Freeones where you can post on as well.

I've been around for years as well and have tons of experience in all aspects of the adult industry. I've lasted this long because I can adapt and still charge a good rate.




I was going to let this go but no one is giving anything useful. I put everything out there for everyone to see. I have yet to see anyone go hey I average x amount per day, or x amount per week or even x amount per year. If you want to say I am wrong AWESOME I can take it but put how many hours you work and how much you make per something that people can use. What is killing the industry is FREE sites rates are not a problem never have been never will be. You can ask anyone in the industry and they will ALL tell you that xhamster, and the like are what is killing it. Also, we are losing all our places to advertise I have lost well over 50 in the last two years. Just STOP it stop being this type of person stop coming down on your fellow girl what a girl charges has never been and will never be a problem EVER! If she is not making the money she will quit and move on. If she is making enough money to stay on year after year full time then hey maybe she is onto something. Nf is already looking into the drop in traffic I have been talking to them about it for days. In fact instead of "fussing" at them or about them I have been sending them ideas and ways to work together to help each other out. I am so tired of this I have been on NF since 2008 and I have made well above a living wage EVERY year including the one where it all crashed. My income is within a few thousand dollars EVERY year. I am not hurting you or anyone else. My husband chases stolen content every month mainly on xhamster and such. It would cost me well over $150K in legal fees to sue these places and that just does not seem doable for me. I have talked to an attorney about it not to mention tracking them down and getting them served because most of their business is over seas. The girls that charge around .70-$1 are not hurting you they never did especially if what you girls say is true that there are two sets of men those that buy cheap and those that buy for quality. I can assure you that thinking is WRONG I have a number of men that call me every week and I have asked them again. ONE said the first time he logged in he thought that but after about the third call he realized his thinking was wrong. My income on nf is pretty much the same from week to week it may vary by $100 or so from a good week to a bad week but I am consistent in what I do. Now I am struggling this year simply because I want to break the glass ceiling so that is a hard thing to push through I understand that and I accept it. If you want to claim I am wrong great do so all day long but shoot out some usable information not your opinion, your feelings, your intuition, or anything else. I open myself up not because I want to but because I have been the new girl getting vague unusable information. I have been the girl getting HATE mail how I am ruining the site. I have raised my rates to $1.99 a min and made $200 a week. I have taken this advice everyone is shooting out and for me and the girls that I know the amount made is no even in the same capacity that I pull in. If I am wrong great now prove it.

Dont be this group of girls this is not helpful in anyway this is not productive in anyway. Be the group of girls that gives good solid information and lets the other girl decide.

Also just so you girls are aware the Columbian girls in 2008 were being paid $4 a week to work on cam sites and given room and board. I had a really good friend that was part of Naked and he would tell me about his trips down to Columbia of course Naked was not the only place that was doing this. Russian (area) girls are about the same.

I am not angry I just dont want to see this group of girls start this whole way of thinking it is not going to help anyone run their business. We are here to discuss business and that means numbers, demographics, and technical. I have worked corporate for a very long time I understand business and this type of thinking is why women have such a hard time succeeding. To succeed we have to look at the data and compare apple to apples.

psorain
11-02-2014, 02:28 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum--and it's nice to find a forum that doesn't seem to have bloodshed! I just read the entire Niteflirt thread. I've been on NF for about a year and a half. I just do phone sex; I don't think I could cam to save my life.

I appreciate all the information here and hope I can contribute as well.

Smiles,
rain

Red Velvette
11-02-2014, 03:01 PM
Welcome, Rain. There is a wealth of information here. Keep in mind that just because some advice is directed to cam/stripping, etc, doesn't mean that it can't help you in your pso business. Good luck!!

psorain
11-02-2014, 03:41 PM
Thanks, Red :) You and Blonde and possibly others who are using other names know me from another board--I'm always looking for new ideas and information!

justanothercamgirl
11-08-2014, 10:56 AM
I have a newbie question about Niteflirt.

How important is feedback on NF? Does it really make a difference when people leave you feedback to help your placement score?

Snowy0Star
11-08-2014, 11:09 AM
I have a newbie question about Niteflirt.

How important is feedback on NF? Does it really make a difference when people leave you feedback to help your placement score?

yeah because the star points are what gives u placement aside from bidding. u get 2 points for every 15 min of talk time as well as the points you get from ratings.


this chart was taken from the NF help page - https://support.niteflirt.com/entries/21621447-Giving-Ratings-Leaving-Feedback

Star Rating Points Awarded
Stars-5.jpg +2 points
Stars-4.jpg +1 point
Stars-3.jpg 0 points
Stars-2.jpg -1 point
Stars-1.jpg -2 points
15 Minutes* +2 points

justanothercamgirl
11-08-2014, 01:14 PM
yeah because the star points are what gives u placement aside from bidding. u get 2 points for every 15 min of talk time as well as the points you get from ratings.


this chart was taken from the NF help page - https://support.niteflirt.com/entries/21621447-Giving-Ratings-Leaving-Feedback

Star Rating Points Awarded
Stars-5.jpg +2 points
Stars-4.jpg +1 point
Stars-3.jpg 0 points
Stars-2.jpg -1 point
Stars-1.jpg -2 points
15 Minutes* +2 points

Thanks, love! I was wondering if it is worth it to harass people when they don't give me feedback and I now I know it is definitely worth it!