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bigbootyjudy1
08-15-2013, 04:36 PM
Thank you so much!! Lesson learned.I guess since it was my first call i desperately wanted some money so i can start bidding.

vivianbear
08-15-2013, 04:44 PM
I totally get it, really. It's hard when the phone isn't ringing, it gets frustrating and I know as well as anyone, at 70%, any money is good money! But don't let these guys push you around. Check out other FinDom/Mistress listings to get an idea of what kind of tone to take with some of these guys who call and claim they're "paypigs". Stick to your guns. If you have a phone-only line for $1.99/min, that's what he gets for $1.99/min. I've had guys call me on my phone-only line, acting like they wanted PW/C and I spent the entire time just telling them they can hang up at any minute and call me on that line (after they've bought my IDs, of course) and I'll connect with them on skype, using that line. Fuck these guys. They will pay to listen to me instruct them on how to spend their damn money, if they can't read the listing and follow the instructions I've written. You can't hustle a hustler, right? ;)

The first thing I say to a guy who calls and tells me he's a "paypig" is, "Oh yeah? Well, we'll see about that."

bigbootyjudy1
08-15-2013, 05:15 PM
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The first thing I say to a guy who calls and tells me he's a "paypig" is, "Oh yeah? Well, we'll see about that."


Haha i love it :)

Shiney
08-15-2013, 05:23 PM
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Rina
08-15-2013, 06:28 PM
I guess he is a money slave he just sent $30 tribute.but i guess i have to skype with him for a little bit :( oh well :) Happy dance

You don't have to Skype with him because he sent you a tribute,fuck that noise. A tribute is just that tribute, and it's against NF rules to do cam for tribute anyway.

If he is such a money slave he can spend 3.99/min. Not trying to be harsh but the fuckers always want to get over. If you are broke ass you can't be a money slave, period. I have guys try to call my phone only line for cam. If tell them to call the cam line. If they ask twice I tell them third time and the phone rate goes up.

Again not trying to be harsh I just want you to get all you can out of this guy.

charizma
08-17-2013, 07:03 AM
hi, silly question i just started Nite flirt and i got a call to log on skype ...so how does it work ...do i make a skype ID and then how do i get money from him for skyping ? Thank you

laurielegs
08-17-2013, 09:11 AM
hi, silly question i just started Nite flirt and i got a call to log on skype ...so how does it work ...do i make a skype ID and then how do i get money from him for skyping ? Thank you

Yes you make a Skype ID. Some sell them on Niteflirt but I find it backfires when I do that because they think they are entitled to chat free. I tell them my Skype ID on the phone when they call.

You get money for the call through Niteflirt by staying on the phone with him the entire time you are on Skype. Once he hangs up, hang up the Skype call. I mute my Skype microphone and speakers and use my phone to talk and just use Skype to transmit my video feed.

I also stay Invisible on skype all the time and ignore any messages that come through. They have to call me on Niteflirt and be on the phone the entire time if they want Skype webcam video.

Some guys will try to tribute you for a block session on Skype but it is against Niteflirt's rules to do that. Some of them will then call Niteflirt and tell them that you didn't give them the show and get their money back plus get you in trouble with Niteflirt. Some flirts get away with shows for tributes for awhile but I refuse to risk my account for some idiot who can't follow the rules and who may not even pay me in the end.

justanothercamgirl
08-17-2013, 12:35 PM
Yes you make a Skype ID. Some sell them on Niteflirt but I find it backfires when I do that because they think they are entitled to chat free. I tell them my Skype ID on the phone when they call.

You get money for the call through Niteflirt by staying on the phone with him the entire time you are on Skype. Once he hangs up, hang up the Skype call. I mute my Skype microphone and speakers and use my phone to talk and just use Skype to transmit my video feed.

I also stay Invisible on skype all the time and ignore any messages that come through. They have to call me on Niteflirt and be on the phone the entire time if they want Skype webcam video.

Some guys will try to tribute you for a block session on Skype but it is against Niteflirt's rules to do that. Some of them will then call Niteflirt and tell them that you didn't give them the show and get their money back plus get you in trouble with Niteflirt. Some flirts get away with shows for tributes for awhile but I refuse to risk my account for some idiot who can't follow the rules and who may not even pay me in the end.

Awesome advice! Thanks so much for this.

charizma
08-17-2013, 01:48 PM
thank u very very much

Sabihah
08-17-2013, 09:33 PM
I just joined NF (hoping to supplement my MFC income), and I've got a few questions:

- What's a good starting rate? Should I bid for placement until I get a few reviews?

- What sort of thing makes for a good recorded listing? I could write up some first-person erotica and read that - is that a good idea?

Thanks in advance. I always feel like a duck out of water when I join a new site. xD

TiffanyBlue
08-17-2013, 10:13 PM
Definitely bid to get started if you can. It's so hard to get seen when you're new unless you do, and the traffic on NiteFlirt is less than satisfactory as it is.

If you're offering cam with your listings, I definitely would not go below $1.99/minute no matter what. Even that is too low, in my opinion, but it will likely help you jumpstart your listings. You'll probably get going fine if you start at $2.99/min too, so I recommend that rate more so. Hope that helps.

As for recorded listings... I don't have any because they just don't seem too popular. Not a lot of guys call them from what I hear, but I would be happy to hear otherwise if anyone knows better. :)

Rina
08-17-2013, 10:30 PM
Just a heads up reviews while they do help give customers info about you don't effect placement in the top listings sort. Placement is mainly determined by clicks and conversions. You might try selling mp3's instead of recorded listings

chloemay
08-18-2013, 05:13 AM
RE: selling the Skype iD. I've had good luck selling it on NF. I don't require a caller to buy it before the cam call, because hey, I make more if he has to muck around with adding me to Skype while we are on the call. However, the guys who buy the ID are more serious about getting a paid cam call then, say, a guy who gets it for free from CMD. Also, that guy just got added to my customer list, so even if that is all he buys at the moment, now I can send him stuff to convert him to a paying customer.

That is one reason I don't get why girls complain about those who click PTV but don't call. That guy was interested in you, he is basically a qualified lead. Other sales actually buy lists of those. They are volunteering themselves, opting in if you will. So yeah, the click cost you some money but thats marketing.

Buying the ID is even better, not only is he interested but he actually spends! Its easy enough to move cheapos to a special list or ignore the chatting until they make a paid call.

chloemay
08-18-2013, 05:30 AM
Recorded listings and PPV Mp3s have different advantages. When you upload and sell an Mp3 your cut from NF is higher, which is nice. However, now that guy can listen to it as much as he wants for that one price.

A recorded listing is attractive to non-tech savvy guys, who are usually older and have $ to spend. Also, it isn't saved anywhere for anyone else to find it. Nice for him to avoid getting caught- esp the fetishy ones, and nice for you because if he needs to get off to that paticular story again, he has to call and you get paid again.

I doubt anyone will be able to retire on the income from NF recorded listings, but its always good to have some potential passive income. Why not have both, ppv and recorded listings, if that interests you.

vivianbear
08-18-2013, 01:35 PM
I love it when my Human Wallet gives me a wake up call at $22.99/min! That's $127 for me to answer the phone for eight mins! LoL! I really hope it's a good day, today. I had an egregious bill come in, yesterday and I estimate I need an extra $500 to pay it off and be free and clear, when school starts. I'd like to kill that off, today.

lilynne
08-18-2013, 05:11 PM
how much money have you bid to be in number one spot for on an average week?

chloemay
08-18-2013, 05:39 PM
how much money have you bid to be in number one spot for on an average week?

It is different for everyone depending on how your listing converts lookers into buyers. So, one girl may see the top spot costing 4.76 a click while another may see it at .13 (she is banking by the way).

Ok, ratings do NOT matter for the rankings, that is based on click conversion. If you are getting calls and sales from your listing, and the $ goes through NF then your ranking value goes up and you don't have to pay as much per click. That is the easiest way I can think to explain it.

Number 1 on the first page is not usually a great strategy if you are paying more than .25 per click, as you get every single lookie-lou on the site checking you out. Think, all the guests on MyFreeCams coming into your room for 30 seconds and COSTING you money each time.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-25-2013, 06:28 AM
You can't give away free minutes or anything else for feedback. I am amazed at how many people on here either don't know the rules of NF or don't care. It seriously fucks over those of us that follow the rules.

Feedback

NiteFlirt does not permit Flirts to take any actions that may undermine the integrity of the feedback system. This includes GIVEAWAYS in exchange for ratings, placing calls to accounts you own with the intent of leaving positive feedback, and placing calls to other Flirts with the intent of leaving negative feedback. Flirts are not allowed to leave responses to negative feedback on their Flirt Profile or listings without customer consent.

If you would like to dispute feedback left on your listing, your proper avenue of complaint is fill out a Customer Support Form and select "Policies and Abuse" from the drop down menu. You should not email the Member to complain.

For more information, please read our Feedback Removal Policy.

Niteflirt are the ones who don't care. In my opinion...they started it! Those rules are so arbitrary and the way it's setup following the rules to the letter doesn't make you money. Been on there since 2008 and boy has it change. If I stuck to my original hustle I wouldn't make any money. I'm not making alot of money now. Been dead dead dead. Even with a popular website,paid ads and social media. I dont know whats happening? I've noticed that the bid charges are increasing even when I have long calls. The lvs is set up differently than before and I agree the bidding is as well. Even the click charges have increased this past week since they made everyone remove their statcounters. The only tool most of us had to target marketing. And now something tells me that flirts are freaking out and bidding blind and big. The site is definitely being taken over by camgirls. And it really depends on your niche and how you work it, but sometimes it goes dead even for the best of us. I think Niteflirt is a racket and as long as you realize this, you'll be able to squeeze some money out of it.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-25-2013, 06:36 AM
RE: selling the Skype iD. I've had good luck selling it on NF. I don't require a caller to buy it before the cam call, because hey, I make more if he has to muck around with adding me to Skype while we are on the call. However, the guys who buy the ID are more serious about getting a paid cam call then, say, a guy who gets it for free from CMD. Also, that guy just got added to my customer list, so even if that is all he buys at the moment, now I can send him stuff to convert him to a paying customer.

That is one reason I don't get why girls complain about those who click PTV but don't call. That guy was interested in you, he is basically a qualified lead. Other sales actually buy lists of those. They are volunteering themselves, opting in if you will. So yeah, the click cost you some money but thats marketing.

Buying the ID is even better, not only is he interested but he actually spends! Its easy enough to move cheapos to a special list or ignore the chatting until they make a paid call.

I created a customer list for chronic clickers. I add them to the clicknopay list lol The way to get on this list is to have been a customer for more than six months and have never called or purchased. That way I can send them an email pointing it out but in a teasing sort of way. Something to entice them. This way I dont give goodies away to wankers. I have blocked a few though. Something was off with the clicking and after a google search I suspected it was a flirt trying to eat up my bid money. Yes they do do that. In those situations the excessive clicking began when bidding started up again, and I have a lot of ptvs. I have all sorts of list. A baller list who do get the goodies.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-25-2013, 06:42 AM
Just a heads up reviews while they do help give customers info about you don't effect placement in the top listings sort. Placement is mainly determined by clicks and conversions. You might try selling mp3's instead of recorded listings

I recently read in the forums that ptvs dont account for much in your placement. I will try to find the exact thread in a bit. I sell a lot of ptvs and I noticed nothing changes. I think the only thing that matters is getting customers from featured listings. Sorry to be posting so much but I know a lot about Niteflirt. More than any other site. Eventhough its not my main money maker, but I've been on there the longest. :)

dianecallaway
08-25-2013, 12:22 PM
Well @Phat please keep posting then LOL I read everything may not comment on it all but I read it. Basically it is like this nf is not advertising they have been on fetlife forever I know this because I have been on fetlife forever. They are not taking the bid money and putting it into anything and right now they are probably making more money off of flirts bidding than off of calls. I do not expect them to bring me customers but I do expect them to bring customers to the site itself. If you wouldnt mind saying where you are finding more money I would be so happy to hear that. I am on myphonesite, talksugar, rude, verified call, and adultphonepal none of which make me anything to speak of even though I bust my booty on them. I am looking for a site that I can make what I used to make on nf with little to no issue and that is $700-$1200 a week.

dianecallaway
08-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Okay hubby and I have talked about this a lot and we have both come to the conclusion that before long nf will probably become a pay to be here site. Either you will be forced to bid or she will make it a membership thing. Which if it was a membership thing that might not be too bad if she kept the price reasonable. Sigh we will all just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-25-2013, 12:47 PM
If you wouldnt mind saying where you are finding more money I would be so happy to hear that. I am on myphonesite, talksugar, rude, verified call, and adultphonepal none of which make me anything to speak of even though I bust my booty on them. I am looking for a site that I can make what I used to make on nf with little to no issue and that is $700-$1200 a week.

Well first off get your booty on clips4sale. I just saw your NF profile and you have alot of content. Not sure if you are already there? To get started you have to upload at least 10 clips to get paid. And it looks like you have quite a bit. After you upload you ten clips, ration them out. Like if you have let's say a 100 clips already made, do not load them all on the same day. The trick on c4s is to upload frequently like once a day to stay visible. Or a couple times a week. I get lazy myself. I mean so lazy that I have premade clip s on my laptop right now just waiting to be uploaded. Made them weeks ago. I know I know. Talk Sugar can kiss my Phat ass. App isn't quite there yet. Or will it ever who knows? I would definitely suggest you branch out with the clips and express that you will make custom stuff for a very good price. I've had a great day on NF today, but all from regulars. Long calls in increments of 15 minutes, But I know it will do nothing for my lvs. Even sold two 20 minute recordings. Cash will be my only reward.

dianecallaway
08-25-2013, 02:21 PM
Well first off get your booty on clips4sale. I just saw your NF profile and you have alot of content. Not sure if you are already there? To get started you have to upload at least 10 clips to get paid. And it looks like you have quite a bit. After you upload you ten clips, ration them out. Like if you have let's say a 100 clips already made, do not load them all on the same day. The trick on c4s is to upload frequently like once a day to stay visible. Or a couple times a week. I get lazy myself. I mean so lazy that I have premade clip s on my laptop right now just waiting to be uploaded. Made them weeks ago. I know I know. Talk Sugar can kiss my Phat ass. App isn't quite there yet. Or will it ever who knows? I would definitely suggest you branch out with the clips and express that you will make custom stuff for a very good price. I've had a great day on NF today, but all from regulars. Long calls in increments of 15 minutes, But I know it will do nothing for my lvs. Even sold two 20 minute recordings. Cash will be my only reward.
I am the same way with clips4sale some times I have a month all ready and do decent there but man it is a lot of BORING work. My problem with NF is it no longer consistent some days are great and then there are a lot of really crappy days it used to be if you logged on for x amount of hours you could pretty well say your were going to make x amount of dollars those days are GONE! I am pretty much the same way with talksugar I only run it now cuz I need to make a few more dollars to get to $100 and it is taking forever. Talksugars software for camming hardly ever works and guys thank that is my fault so they get mad about it. It has been a decent weekend on Niteflirt but one day does not make up for crappy weeks since end of June still hopeful though. I need to work on graphics mine are crappy but we are so limited I just lose steam on it. I think in a lot of ways I am burned out not with the work but the amount of work I have put in with such little payoff here lately. You are right on the custom stuff that does need to be changed on clips and on niteflirt I couldnt agree more. :)

JuliAnne333
08-25-2013, 08:01 PM
I revisited and signed on to my account after the resurrection of this thread and others saying that there was some life there lately. I have had a listing there for what seems like forever ( I have been an astrologer on Keen which used to be their sister site since 2001 ) but, rarely signed on due to very few calls and being busy with other things.

Today, I finally after a week of off and on signing in, got a call! I have to say the "Call Notifier" noise scared the bejesus out of me, as I had NO idea what it was and I was in another window. Took me a couple seconds to realize it must be for NF, so I scrambled to get off of SM, open Skype and answer the phone before the guy hung up and I got a negative due to not answering! Well, this guy must have not read my listing well or didn't care (as I am sure many do not) and didn't realize he should buy my ID before calling (a mere $2). Being it was my first call and prospective feedback, I didn't want to quibble about $2, and just told him that he was "supposed to" buy the ID First and then call, but, that I would cut him a break today and we went on to have an 11 min cam/phone session. The only negative is that he did not take the time to leave feedback. He didn't act like he wasn't having a good time, afterall, I could see the effect I was having.. LOL I wonder how you guys go about getting them to leave you feedback? I have always felt weird about it, and I never ask for it on sites where I do readings, because I don't care to bother people on their dime to write something or rate. But, I know that first feedback will at least get me on the board and perhaps more callers.

When I first started again last week, I had my price at $2.99 min (I know, cheap, I am $6/min everywhere else I cam) and only had guys emailing asking for my Skype ID. Again, they obviously ignored or just didn't read my profile. I would send a pay to view that would cost $2 to open to get the ID and, you guessed it - they didn't open them (well, except for ONE, but he never called? LOL) Now, one guy, Sevenup1 (are we allowed to name names here?) wrote asking for a foot show, I replied with a Pay to View ( or I thought I did? ) and he wrote a separate new email stating that he had added me and me to add him...and I thought.. wow, this guy thinks I am dumb!? I know he didn't open the mail as I didn't get paid for it! Well, today I signed on and he had left 2 mails saying how I didn't "show up on Skype.." and so I wrote him back another paid email explaining how he had to buy the ID then call... and he writes a new letter asking "What is this?" (as in, why are you sending me a paid email?) He then forwarded my pay mail text to me where I gave my ID.. LOL So, obviously, I didn't mark it right or changed it, who knows, but, he got it free. That is when I wrote again and informed him I must have goofed, but, that I don't get on Skype to do free shows, that he would have to call my NF extension in order to get his cam show. Guess what? He never called. LOL I did block him due to the fact I found some scathing feedback where he called this woman every nasty name in the book and then some. I certainly do not need feedback from this guy as my first feedback if he were to call after all the bumbling about the Skype ID. I can hear it now: "This one just wants your money... wants to charge for Skype IDs and then phone!" LOL But, anyways, I was at that $2.99 min and got a lot of nothing, so, today, thought, let me try at $1.99 and see if I can at least get a bite and on the board so to speak. And, that is when I got a call. Within 30 min actually. I don't want to stay at that rate of course, but, I am thinking I might need to start out there until I get some feedback and can charge a bit more. I will feel it out and see how it goes.

I do believe though, you need to bid in order to be seen if you are like me and have no ratings and are essentially new. I only bid a PENNY. That's it! We have the same LVS baloney over on Keen, and so many readers get reamed bidding high thinking that is what they need to do to be seen. The only one winning in that scenario is Keen, or in this case, NF. I also feel that if you can, create buttons for and make some short vid clips, pics etc to sell when you are not online to take calls. From what I have read here and other places, these passive streams of income can help tremendously. I need to revamp my profile, add pics and all those other pretty things that will encourage the guys to call.

It would be nice if NF made somewhat of a comeback. Reading this forum, it seems as though some made a killing there years ago.

Juli

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-25-2013, 08:21 PM
Julie not sure about the member names, but I just blocked that guy today! For pretty much the same thing. The name looked familiar and I looked in a different account and guess what? I had blocked him there as well. And just a heads up peeps, you are required to give your id to the caller once he is on the phone. I know most people prefer that they buy it first to show intent, but it's against the rules to refuse. Just something to think about.

justanothercamgirl
08-25-2013, 08:47 PM
I revisited and signed on to my account after the resurrection of this thread and others saying that there was some life there lately. I have had a listing there for what seems like forever ( I have been an astrologer on Keen which used to be their sister site since 2001 ) but, rarely signed on due to very few calls and being busy with other things.

Today, I finally after a week of off and on signing in, got a call! I have to say the "Call Notifier" noise scared the bejesus out of me, as I had NO idea what it was and I was in another window. Took me a couple seconds to realize it must be for NF, so I scrambled to get off of SM, open Skype and answer the phone before the guy hung up and I got a negative due to not answering! Well, this guy must have not read my listing well or didn't care (as I am sure many do not) and didn't realize he should buy my ID before calling (a mere $2). Being it was my first call and prospective feedback, I didn't want to quibble about $2, and just told him that he was "supposed to" buy the ID First and then call, but, that I would cut him a break today and we went on to have an 11 min cam/phone session. The only negative is that he did not take the time to leave feedback. He didn't act like he wasn't having a good time, afterall, I could see the effect I was having.. LOL I wonder how you guys go about getting them to leave you feedback? I have always felt weird about it, and I never ask for it on sites where I do readings, because I don't care to bother people on their dime to write something or rate. But, I know that first feedback will at least get me on the board and perhaps more callers.

When I first started again last week, I had my price at $2.99 min (I know, cheap, I am $6/min everywhere else I cam) and only had guys emailing asking for my Skype ID. Again, they obviously ignored or just didn't read my profile. I would send a pay to view that would cost $2 to open to get the ID and, you guessed it - they didn't open them (well, except for ONE, but he never called? LOL) Now, one guy, Sevenup1 (are we allowed to name names here?) wrote asking for a foot show, I replied with a Pay to View ( or I thought I did? ) and he wrote a separate new email stating that he had added me and me to add him...and I thought.. wow, this guy thinks I am dumb!? I know he didn't open the mail as I didn't get paid for it! Well, today I signed on and he had left 2 mails saying how I didn't "show up on Skype.." and so I wrote him back another paid email explaining how he had to buy the ID then call... and he writes a new letter asking "What is this?" (as in, why are you sending me a paid email?) He then forwarded my pay mail text to me where I gave my ID.. LOL So, obviously, I didn't mark it right or changed it, who knows, but, he got it free. That is when I wrote again and informed him I must have goofed, but, that I don't get on Skype to do free shows, that he would have to call my NF extension in order to get his cam show. Guess what? He never called. LOL I did block him due to the fact I found some scathing feedback where he called this woman every nasty name in the book and then some. I certainly do not need feedback from this guy as my first feedback if he were to call after all the bumbling about the Skype ID. I can hear it now: "This one just wants your money... wants to charge for Skype IDs and then phone!" LOL But, anyways, I was at that $2.99 min and got a lot of nothing, so, today, thought, let me try at $1.99 and see if I can at least get a bite and on the board so to speak. And, that is when I got a call. Within 30 min actually. I don't want to stay at that rate of course, but, I am thinking I might need to start out there until I get some feedback and can charge a bit more. I will feel it out and see how it goes.

I do believe though, you need to bid in order to be seen if you are like me and have no ratings and are essentially new. I only bid a PENNY. That's it! We have the same LVS baloney over on Keen, and so many readers get reamed bidding high thinking that is what they need to do to be seen. The only one winning in that scenario is Keen, or in this case, NF. I also feel that if you can, create buttons for and make some short vid clips, pics etc to sell when you are not online to take calls. From what I have read here and other places, these passive streams of income can help tremendously. I need to revamp my profile, add pics and all those other pretty things that will encourage the guys to call.

It would be nice if NF made somewhat of a comeback. Reading this forum, it seems as though some made a killing there years ago.

Juli

As a total off topic side note, is keen worth joining?

HaydenBlue
08-25-2013, 11:03 PM
IDK. I'm not really uptight about them buying my ID beforehand. If they'd rather call and wait for me to spell it out to them, cool. Then in that 1 minute that we're dicking around on the phone is more than my cut I'm getting for just getting the ID's beforehand plus having to ask what fetishes they have, what they want tonight etc. IDK everyone runs it differently and that's fine, I just don't see a reason to turn away customers and completely block them. -shrug-

I had one guy who called and didn't buy my ID and instead asked for it over the phone. He's now a reg of mine, and calls me daily multiple times and is dropping at the minimum of $100 on me per day. I would have missed out on that if I had turned him away over a few bucks to buy my IDs.

chloemay
08-26-2013, 01:06 AM
IDK. I'm not really uptight about them buying my ID beforehand. If they'd rather call and wait for me to spell it out to them, cool. Then in that 1 minute that we're dicking around on the phone is more than my cut I'm getting for just getting the ID's beforehand plus having to ask what fetishes they have, what they want tonight etc. IDK everyone runs it differently and that's fine, I just don't see a reason to turn away customers and completely block them. -shrug-

I had one guy who called and didn't buy my ID and instead asked for it over the phone. He's now a reg of mine, and calls me daily multiple times and is dropping at the minimum of $100 on me per day. I would have missed out on that if I had turned him away over a few bucks to buy my IDs.


This x 1000. The last thing to do is turn away existing traffic- already spending on a call.

BlasianBytch
08-28-2013, 05:11 PM
is it worth paying for a niteflirt template, I designed my own site but don't have my own computer that can handle webdesign right now. the thought of going to my brother and making my phone sex profile skeeves me out, has anyone bought them and had good results?

JaneBurgess
08-28-2013, 05:30 PM
We could say that about any site. I don't like the rules at Streamate, but I don't break them either. It would be easy on there to pop my tits out, sell clothing, Skype ID's or pop my pussy out like so many do. I personally feel the reason so many of these sites are sucking is because everyone does what they want to. They don't care about rules or other performers. The feedback rule should be in place because feedback is for paying customers. It's not for us to call and rate ourselves. I'm sorry if people get pissed off at what I say but I also am not going to apologize for following rules and being an honest person.

Bidding is stupid in my opinion. The top slots should go to the people that earn them, not buy them. The cam section has always been mostly cam performers and I don't see what's wrong with that. If they do well on there and people like it, then there's no harm. The site has been picking up this week. I made a few hundred bucks on there last night and I marketed the hell out it to make those dollars. I think a lot of people forget that this industry requires a lot of hard ass work. If you are willing to bust your ass off it usually pays off in the end.



Niteflirt are the ones who don't care. In my opinion...they started it! Those rules are so arbitrary and the way it's setup following the rules to the letter doesn't make you money. Been on there since 2008 and boy has it change. If I stuck to my original hustle I wouldn't make any money. I'm not making alot of money now. Been dead dead dead. Even with a popular website,paid ads and social media. I dont know whats happening? I've noticed that the bid charges are increasing even when I have long calls. The lvs is set up differently than before and I agree the bidding is as well. Even the click charges have increased this past week since they made everyone remove their statcounters. The only tool most of us had to target marketing. And now something tells me that flirts are freaking out and bidding blind and big. The site is definitely being taken over by camgirls. And it really depends on your niche and how you work it, but sometimes it goes dead even for the best of us. I think Niteflirt is a racket and as long as you realize this, you'll be able to squeeze some money out of it.

Nikki_Fox
08-28-2013, 06:59 PM
If NF made a section to showcase new flirts then the old rational of getting on the radar by a review would not have any merit -with the new system they really dont matter so it would be a waste of time IMHO to rate yourself you will get them eventually - I agree placement should be earned - maybe a couple of spots on the bottom of the pages could be bought for flirts who chose to buy them

xxtinamariexx
08-28-2013, 07:33 PM
I have never put a bid on a spot and when I log in, I am always in the 1st spot in my category or somewhere between 1st and 5th.. but I am also phone with cam, my phone listing is pretty low, but I really don't care as I do more phone with cam.. I don't feel I need to pay to be at a certain spot.. If I'm there I'm there. I work it along side of SM and CMD I turn all 3 on and I keep busy, actually I have been more busy on NF..and if I am on SM and that phone rings, I just tell the guys, i have to take this call and I'll be back soon ;)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-28-2013, 10:10 PM
Its a racket. :) I just figured out where I fit in and how I can make the most money there. It doesnt always happen all year round, but when its good its good.

HaydenBlue
08-28-2013, 10:22 PM
I figured out how to host / upload videos and picture sets on your own site. This is to bypass Niteflirts 20MB limit. I have LOTS of videos and they are about 20-40MB too large for NF and it was getting annoying trying to cut them down to size, most I couldn't even compress down to the 20MB listing. Plus it's just better to host your own stuff anyways. So here's this:



I only know how to do this with a web host that uses CPanel as a admin area. (Most do. I personally use HostGator hosting)


What you need to do first is prepare your video or pics that you want to upload -

You'll need to create a ZIP folder for them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahATyKyfRdk) (If you don't see 'compressed zip file' as a folder option - download WinRar, good program)

Then you'll need to Password Protect that file. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmqFso0WWvY) (Make sure all of your passwords for your videos are 100% different and unique!!! Or else some twat will steal them all - obvious but just throwing it out as a reminder)

Then you'll need to upload it to your host.


How to Upload a File Using File Manager

To upload a file through cPanel's File Manager, please do the following:

Login to cPanel.
Under Files, click File Manager.
Select Web Root and Show Hidden Files, then click Go.
Click to open the folder to which you'd like to upload files.
Click Upload from the top toolbar.
Click Browse (some web browsers will have Choose File instead).
Select the file on your computer that you wish to upload.
Once the file has been selected, it will automatically upload. You may select additional files while uploads are in progress.


Now to find the link to give to people buying your stuff.

Go back to your file manager page, and find your file (ex: MyVideo.zip)
Right click on your file. Click rename.
A little box will pop up and it will say something like: /public_html/MyVideo.zip

Now,
take /public_html
and replace it with your domain name.
So it should look like this:
MyDomainName.com/MyVideo.zip

Now when you paste that into your browser your video will automatically begin to download. Tah-dahhh.

JuliAnne333
08-28-2013, 10:45 PM
As a total off topic side note, is keen worth joining?

Keen is not as busy as it once was, but, you can just have the chat (they have a chat application now) and the phone notifier open in the background and just sign off wherever you are doing camming to take a call/chat and do a reading. It is saturated with readers since anyone who owns a tarot deck and had a bad relationship seems to think they can give readings nowadays. LOL I only bid one penny and am usually in the top 10 in my main listing under Astrologers. But, I have been there since 2001 and have long calls when I get them, so I don't have to bid high. I wouldn't advise bidding high on there or NF anyways. All that does is make the site rich. Bid enough to get seen. If people like your style of reading, they will come to you for other questions in the future. Avoid lying or giving a rosy picture or outcome to a question at all costs: it will come back to bite you. Too many will tell a sitter what they want to hear (ex coming back etc) in order to keep them calling over and over in an anxious state. Good luck if you do sign up there!

JuliAnne333
08-28-2013, 11:05 PM
I don't think that bidding is a bad thing either. Now, if it wasn't reliant on the LVS, and all you had to have were the deepest pockets to be in the top slots (which is the way bidding was at first on Keen years ago - we now have LVS on Keen also) perhaps it could be seen as the "best" can be pushed down by some new or even crappy performer who can pay to be there, but, didn't "earn it". (This "earned" placement is an very old and over discussed argument on ALL the psychic sites I am on) The thing is, with the LVS, the ones who have been on the site or who actually are making money and doing the work to earn that spot, will in most cases NOT have to bid a ridiculous amount to be seen (and in many cases, not bid at ALL and still be in the top 10 slots) I feel the bidding process helps those who are New to the site or returning and do not have ratings or regulars to push them higher in the listings. Look, if a girl bids and is in the top 5 and has a crappy attitude, cam or ability to get guys off, her rating will reflect it and her business will tank. It won't matter if she can bid a grand to be in the top 10 - the guys will see the feedback and shy away in most cases.

Look, the bidding is just another way for sites to make money off of us. That is why these sites exist - to make money. They could care less WHO makes the money for them, as long as they are getting it made.

And, I can understand some who will not "block" someone whom they have not talked to, but, you have to view it from my perspective: I do not have a rating as of yet, and the nuttiness I went through with this guy just gave me a sense he might not be a match for me. The last thing I need (even if the guy stayed on the phone for hours) is him writing in ALL CAPS some scathing feedback like he did to another woman on there. Now, I did find one person he gave many 5 star reviews to, but that was only ONE person. LOL Let him call her since he seems to like her. For now, I would rather protect myself and at least get a few good ratings before taking risks with guys who I feel I may have gotten off to a shaky start with.

As for the Skype or other chat/cam ID's, if someone calls me and hasn't bought my ID, I certainly would not tell him he needs to hang up and go buy it first, or to buy it while we are on the phone on his dime. Who cares? I charge a measly $2 for it and I am at (for now) $1.99. I don't need to piss some guy off over $2. Put it this way, just as another gal said, the time it takes me to meet and greet and then spell out my ID name and accept the call etc etc etc, he HAS spent more than $2. LOL So, I am not going to be too anal about that. But, for those who have the ability to enforce that and get it to work without bad feedback or pissed off guys, more power to you! I was not aware that if they are on the phone and we have a listing in the cam section we have to give them our ID even though we may have in our profile they have to buy it. Now, I do know we cannot be in the cam with phone section and then play games and not offer cam. I know if I were a guy, I would be a bit testy if some girl played games acting like she couldn't get her cam to work or dicked me around about it. In fact, I have read quite a few feedbacks where that scenario occurs. Short sighted if you ask me. Just don't offer cam if you are going to pretend it is broken. LOL

Nikki_Fox
08-29-2013, 07:46 AM
I figured out how to host / upload videos and picture sets on your own site. This is to bypass Niteflirts 20MB limit. I have LOTS of videos and they are about 20-40MB too large for NF and it was getting annoying trying to cut them down to size, most I couldn't even compress down to the 20MB listing. Plus it's just better to host your own stuff anyways. So here's this:



I only know how to do this with a web host that uses CPanel as a admin area. (Most do. I personally use HostGator hosting)


What you need to do first is prepare your video or pics that you want to upload -

You'll need to create a ZIP folder for them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahATyKyfRdk) (If you don't see 'compressed zip file' as a folder option - download WinRar, good program)

Then you'll need to Password Protect that file. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmqFso0WWvY) (Make sure all of your passwords for your videos are 100% different and unique!!! Or else some twat will steal them all - obvious but just throwing it out as a reminder)

Then you'll need to upload it to your host.


How to Upload a File Using File Manager

To upload a file through cPanel's File Manager, please do the following:

Login to cPanel.
Under Files, click File Manager.
Select Web Root and Show Hidden Files, then click Go.
Click to open the folder to which you'd like to upload files.
Click Upload from the top toolbar.
Click Browse (some web browsers will have Choose File instead).
Select the file on your computer that you wish to upload.
Once the file has been selected, it will automatically upload. You may select additional files while uploads are in progress.


Now to find the link to give to people buying your stuff.

Go back to your file manager page, and find your file (ex: MyVideo.zip)
Right click on your file. Click rename.
A little box will pop up and it will say something like: /public_html/MyVideo.zip

Now,
take /public_html
and replace it with your domain name.
So it should look like this:
MyDomainName.com/MyVideo.zip

Now when you paste that into your browser your video will automatically begin to download. Tah-dahhh.

Thank you @Hayden - you are a dear for posting this - i had a few very confusing conversations with HostGator trying to explain what I was trying to do to set this up - not really sure who was more confused me or them - lol - anywho I appreciate you taking the time to post this - at least now i have a reference if I get stuck :)

HaydenBlue
08-29-2013, 07:51 AM
you're welcome bb. i couldnt find out how on google so i clicked around until i figured it out myself. lol

Cam_Model_Jess
08-29-2013, 07:54 AM
OMG Hayden you're my freaking hero right now. Thank you!!

aven
08-29-2013, 12:03 PM
you have to make sure that you make your directory private.... if you don't then your in trouble... I lost a lot of money because I did not.... I am sorry I don't remember how to do it.

HaydenBlue
08-29-2013, 01:42 PM
It's a blank directory. So they can only get to it one file name at a time.

limecoconut
08-30-2013, 08:58 PM
I want to start with Niteflirt so bad,but first I need to upgrade to a better phone connection then what I have now and I need a voip telephone
Here n my country they only have cheap and low fixed prices for pso's nationwide,it's easy money, but I rather make more if possible :P

I use Skype. I bought a Skype phone number for around $18 for 3 months if I remember correctly - CHEAP cheap cheap. Installed the app on my iPhone and it works like a charm. As long as you have reliable wifi I suppose. And if you take calls out of the house it'll go on your data plan.

You can do it on the comp, too. Obv just running skype. You can't use the phone function with cam at the same time on the same account. To get around that google "run two instances of skype" - it's really simple. Just need two skype user names. Voila.

goreantx
09-01-2013, 08:13 PM
I don't know if anyone posted this yet ... but I saw someone posting about how to upload a file to your site for people to be able to dl from a niteflirt ppv mail. What I do, is I have wordpress running my entire site. I put my ppv content inside a password protected wordpress post. Then when they buy the PPV mail, I have the post URL and the password inside of it. Unless of course it's something I can just put in the pay per view mail. :)

bigbootyjudy1
09-02-2013, 10:47 AM
Ladies do you know how often we get paid on NF ?I have direct deposit.I hope its biweekly.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-02-2013, 12:09 PM
Ladies do you know how often we get paid on NF ?I have direct deposit.I hope its biweekly.

If you have it set to express pay, then you money will be withdrawn from your account if the amount is over $10. But no withdrawals are made Fii,Sat or Sun. From that point it can take 7-10 business to be deposited into your account. Normally it does not take that long. But NF has bee a bit slow for the last month I believe? So theoretically, if you make the $10 minimum you will have deposits hitting your account almost every day. At least a couple a week.

dianecallaway
09-02-2013, 12:09 PM
we get paid every day if you are on express pay which in reality is 3-4 times a week generally you get it within 4-5 days of when you make it but they have up to 10 BUSINESS days via what we agree to. I generally get money that I make over the weekend on Thurs or Friday. So it closes Sunday night/Monday morning and I get it later that week. Hope that helps.

bigbootyjudy1
09-02-2013, 01:00 PM
we get paid every day if you are on express pay which in reality is 3-4 times a week generally you get it within 4-5 days of when you make it but they have up to 10 BUSINESS days via what we agree to. I generally get money that I make over the weekend on Thurs or Friday. So it closes Sunday night/Monday morning and I get it later that week. Hope that helps.

Thank you so much Diana.Just switch from monthly to express pay.I'm still new on NF.;D

dianecallaway
09-02-2013, 02:36 PM
and because of our good friend Murphy If you really really need it like say you are stuck in a city away from home or they are going to shut off your lights or you hmmm hmmm break your leg and have to go to a surgeon for a consultation it will be late.....just sayin

bigbootyjudy1
09-02-2013, 03:01 PM
If you have it set to express pay, then you money will be withdrawn from your account if the amount is over $10. But no withdrawals are made Fii,Sat or Sun. From that point it can take 7-10 business to be deposited into your account. Normally it does not take that long. But NF has bee a bit slow for the last month I believe? So theoretically, if you make the $10 minimum you will have deposits hitting your account almost every day. At least a couple a week.

Thank you :)