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vivianbear
09-02-2013, 10:48 PM
Hey, BBs!

Just FYI, for those of you who are PMing about the NF Group, please allow me to PM you back. I try to respond as soon as I get the message but some folks have their PMs disabled and I can't post on your SW-profile board. If you don't hear back from me, check your settings as I may not be able to respond. The NF Group is private and requires verification for invites. It's super-simple. Just send me a link for your most active NF listing along with your request. Thanks! :)

ThatBitch
09-03-2013, 10:52 AM
So sue me. Also, you've mentioned this before. Please stop acting like you're telling me something I don't know about a site I've been on for nearly six years. Technically, you just can't advertise on your listing that you will exchange mins for feedback. Like, you can't write that, specifically, in your listing. What I'm doing is rewarding my customers with gifted minutes, when I see their feedback posted. This is specifically why I advised to only give minutes after you've seen the feedback posted. If he's doing it under my suggestion, I'm gifting him with minutes. Thus, the incentive. I'm not fucking you over anymore than anyone else. Stop being so dramatic.

Actually no, what you're doing is breaking the rules of the site. Technically.

ThatBitch
09-03-2013, 11:04 AM
Re: uploading files to your own site. Get a free FTP program like FireFTP (which is actually a Firefox plugin). Get into your hosting account and find FTP instructions. Setup your url, ftp username and password in the FTP program. Then connect. The program will work sort of like a windows explorer window, so you can drag and drop files from your computer to whatever directory you want on your domain. You can create new directories this way.

It is best to password-protect this directory so some cheap fuck who buys one video can't simply go to your directory index and download everything in there. For example, if you use http://mydomain.com/downloads as your download directory, and you don't have it password-protected AND a black index.html file in there, any wanker who buys a video at http://mydomain.com/downloads/video.wmv, can then just click into http://mydomain.com/downloads, and download ALL your stuff for free.


Although I use a downloader plugin for wordpress, so that each file is password-protected individually with its own password, and the actual download link is masked so they can't even see the directory it's coming from ;D

HaydenBlue
09-03-2013, 11:49 AM
Re: uploading files to your own site. Get a free FTP program like FireFTP (which is actually a Firefox plugin). Get into your hosting account and find FTP instructions. Setup your url, ftp username and password in the FTP program. Then connect. The program will work sort of like a windows explorer window, so you can drag and drop files from your computer to whatever directory you want on your domain. You can create new directories this way.

It is best to password-protect this directory so some cheap fuck who buys one video can't simply go to your directory index and download everything in there. For example, if you use http://mydomain.com/downloads as your download directory, and you don't have it password-protected AND a black index.html file in there, any wanker who buys a video at http://mydomain.com/downloads/video.wmv, can then just click into http://mydomain.com/downloads, and download ALL your stuff for free.


Although I use a downloader plugin for wordpress, so that each file is password-protected individually with its own password, and the actual download link is masked so they can't even see the directory it's coming from ;D

Thank you so much! That's so much easier than what I thought I was going to end up doing, one by one and zipping everything up loll.

JaneBurgess
09-03-2013, 11:55 PM
Thank you. Somehow I'm the asshole for also pointing that out and not breaking the rules. Geez it sucks to be honest sometimes.



Actually no, what you're doing is breaking the rules of the site. Technically.

CurvyWinona
09-06-2013, 06:35 AM
I wonder if NF can be used for camming on skype and to sell the content, without having to take phone calls. Is this possible? I'm deaf, so obviously the phone call is not an opinion. I am looking for more places to take cams and to sell my content. :)

chloemay
09-06-2013, 06:54 AM
I wonder if NF can be used for camming on skype and to sell the content, without having to take phone calls. Is this possible? I'm deaf, so obviously the phone call is not an opinion. I am looking for more places to take cams and to sell my content. :)

For live cam, there has to be a phone call connected through Niteflirt for the duration of the cam call per Niteflirt rules. If you have a phone that lights up when it rings, and does something like that when the call ends, then you could take the call, type via Skype, and then end it when the call ends.

You don't need to be on the phone to sell content thru Niteflirt but I'm not sure how easy that would be without some live phone sex listings because you need some way to draw attention to the listing and the best way is to get calls. It can be done, but seems like more work to use a phone sex site to sell content only rather than focusing on content sales sites where that is what the guys are looking for.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-06-2013, 07:12 AM
Nope not difficult at all! Take a look around the platform and you will see loads of listings with very detailed content. And you look at the actual price of the call many of those listings are charging extremely high rates. Like $9.99 a minute. For phone only! I have a few set up this way. Mostly to make the content available and searchable on the site. When the phone rings at those high rates I consider that to be the bonus. Niteflirt has made it a bit more difficult for people who do this but it's still doable. Create an account, add some content and see what happens. It could broaden your reach.

CurvyWinona
09-06-2013, 08:34 AM
thank you for the replies! :) i guess i could put a note in the description that its for camming and contents only and that i am hearing impaired. i will try that later. i will need to get a phone number to go with it. :)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-06-2013, 08:43 AM
thank you for the replies! :) i guess i could put a note in the description that its for camming and contents only and that i am hearing impaired. i will try that later. i will need to get a phone number to go with it. :)

I would suggest omitting the "only" part. You dont want to get your account approved. Stating that you only do cam and content may prevent you from getting approved. It's all in how you word it. State that you are hearing impaired of course, I just wouldn't exclude the phone option all together. Get your foot in the door before you make any adjustments. Good luck!

CurvyWinona
09-06-2013, 08:48 AM
true. thanks for telling me! :)

Rina
09-06-2013, 11:18 AM
Niteflirt Basics and Prohibited Content. https://support.niteflirt.com/categories/20060236-Help-for-Flirts I suggest everyone read this link if you have things on your listings that are not allowed other flirts do report you and your listings will get suspended. Know the rules if you're going to work the site.

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2013, 12:32 PM
Niteflirt Basics and Prohibited Content. https://support.niteflirt.com/categories/20060236-Help-for-Flirts I suggest everyone read this link if you have things on your listings that are not allowed other flirts do report you and your listings will get suspended. Know the rules if you're going to work the site.

Thanks Rina! I am going to read through this right now!!!

BlasianBytch
09-07-2013, 05:21 AM
ugh so I woke up at six got dressed and started accepting calls on NF. Dozed off and had a dream that someone stole my cellphone and I had to chase them down and my friend called my phone to see if he had it. So while I'm beating up a thief in the dream in the real world I missed 3 calls. I sent the guy free minutes and currently kicking myself for being so dumb.

DonaDiabla
09-07-2013, 05:55 AM
ugh so I woke up at six got dressed and started accepting calls on NF. Dozed off and had a dream that someone stole my cellphone and I had to chase them down and my friend called my phone to see if he had it. So while I'm beating up a thief in the dream in the real world I missed 3 calls. I sent the guy free minutes and currently kicking myself for being so dumb.

Girl, that happens to the best of us :)

Nikki_Fox
09-07-2013, 06:22 AM
at least you kicked that guys butt :)

Imivylove
09-07-2013, 08:21 AM
Hey all..Ivy here! So I'm new here and new to niteflirt. So new my rating is 32 and been tkn call for a month. I stay lost & my profile is crazy lol... I've found a few useful things in discussions I've read, thx for that.

shysara79
09-11-2013, 07:30 AM
I am new to nite flirt and have a question. Is it abnormal to be doing phone with cam for 2.99 a min when on other sites my rate is triple that ? Also do u do the cam portion on this site thru Skype or do they have their own platform ? I'm kinda lost so thanks for your help :)

Rina
09-11-2013, 09:15 AM
I charge the same on NF I charge on other sites. It works fine for me. I do fetish though, no idea if this works out by vanilla cam models.

You do shows on Skype or Yahoo, while on the phone.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-11-2013, 09:16 AM
I am new to nite flirt and have a question. Is it abnormal to be doing phone with cam for 2.99 a min when on other sites my rate is triple that ? Also do u do the cam portion on this site thru Skype or do they have their own platform ? I'm kinda lost so thanks for your help :)

You perform the show through instant messenger. Mostly through skype. You may find as a new performer on Niteflirt charging $9 a minute for webcam difficult. Especially if you are using the same name as you do on sites that offer free chat. Guys do shop around. And most of those other sites have a lower payout than NF, so you have to charge alot to reach your bottom line. Decide on a price and what you are willing to do for the amount and stick to it.

JenniferNorth
09-11-2013, 09:59 AM
Back to camming and NF I go! I never got any calls when I first signed up, but maybe if I try again....

oasismodels
09-11-2013, 10:52 AM
Is there a way to drive traffic to your NF account (I'm assuming from my research that's it's necessary to build your own following)?

I have a few regs on AW but I don't really push it while i'm finding my feet, and really want to avoid the twitter route if possible. I'm doing fetish stuff, so it's usually the guys come and find you on AW instead of me fishing for them.

justanothercamgirl
09-11-2013, 10:56 AM
Is there a way to drive traffic to your NF account (I'm assuming from my research that's it's necessary to build your own following)?

I have a few regs on AW but I don't really push it while i'm finding my feet, and really want to avoid the twitter route if possible. I'm doing fetish stuff, so it's usually the guys come and find you on AW instead of me fishing for them.

If you want to avoid the Twitter route you are going to find it very hard to push traffic anywhere. Twitter is one of the last havens for camgirl's who want to drive traffic with Tumblr deleting camgirls accounts without good reason and Blogger now having an anti-porn stance.

JaneBurgess
09-11-2013, 07:32 PM
You really have to send yourself traffic. Social media and blogs seem to work really well.



Is there a way to drive traffic to your NF account (I'm assuming from my research that's it's necessary to build your own following)?

I have a few regs on AW but I don't really push it while i'm finding my feet, and really want to avoid the twitter route if possible. I'm doing fetish stuff, so it's usually the guys come and find you on AW instead of me fishing for them.

sexysusie
09-12-2013, 03:41 AM
I am new to nite flirt and have a question. Is it abnormal to be doing phone with cam for 2.99 a min when on other sites my rate is triple that ? Also do u do the cam portion on this site thru Skype or do they have their own platform ? I'm kinda lost so thanks for your help :)

Charge the rate you want to. I started with 3.99 and quickly raised to 4.20 and am doing fine. i ocasionally put it at 9.99 when i don't really want calls and still get them though not as many x

shysara79
09-12-2013, 05:35 PM
Ok so this may be a dumb question. I am new to Nf and I just got a call from my phone only listing and when I got on the line the guy asked me for my Skype id. Doesn't he have to call me from the listing offering cam? I am so confused :( I do know that I won't b doing cam and phone for 1.65 a minute lol

Nikki_Fox
09-12-2013, 05:50 PM
He was just trying to hustle you

shysara79
09-12-2013, 05:53 PM
That's what i thought lol. I told him he needed to call back when he clicked on the correct listing :)

BlkSharpie
09-13-2013, 08:30 PM
Woah Woah Woah hold on one second here!!!! So I just signed onto Niteflirt for the first time since um....forever. :D

First thing I noticed....Bidding is back?!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second thing I noticed..Ive been on there since 2005? WTF?! Im old.

Okay...so reading through this thread, its looking like you all are getting calls and doing reasonably well?! Cause when I gave up on it is fter the merger, bidding went goodbye, and calls went goodbye with it. I only went on every once in a blue moon just cause theres a couple guys who would ask me to go available to call me, but this isthe first time Im actually checking it out, and I really am liking what I see again!

Anyway...I need to completely refresh my content and put up new photos....I dont think anything has been updated since 2008. Plus need to update my website for outside advertising, and what the hell, email my old NF customer list and see who might possibly still be around. So excited here though! Am here scoping out other NF related threads and amazed to see that people are actually making money on there again...that was still my fav site ever to work, when it was making money.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-13-2013, 11:08 PM
Woah Woah Woah hold on one second here!!!! So I just signed onto Niteflirt for the first time since um....forever. :D

First thing I noticed....Bidding is back?!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second thing I noticed..Ive been on there since 2005? WTF?! Im old.

Okay...so reading through this thread, its looking like you all are getting calls and doing reasonably well?! Cause when I gave up on it is fter the merger, bidding went goodbye, and calls went goodbye with it. I only went on every once in a blue moon just cause theres a couple guys who would ask me to go available to call me, but this isthe first time Im actually checking it out, and I really am liking what I see again!

Anyway...I need to completely refresh my content and put up new photos....I dont think anything has been updated since 2008. Plus need to update my website for outside advertising, and what the hell, email my old NF customer list and see who might possibly still be around. So excited here though! Am here scoping out other NF related threads and amazed to see that people are actually making money on there again...that was still my fav site ever to work, when it was making money.

Go into with a fresh set of eyes. Its not like it used to be.

Nikki_Fox
09-14-2013, 06:55 PM
@blksharpie - you need to get into the NF Invite group - pm vivianbear

chloemay
09-14-2013, 07:08 PM
Woah Woah Woah hold on one second here!!!! So I just signed onto Niteflirt for the first time since um....forever. :D

First thing I noticed....Bidding is back?!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second thing I noticed..Ive been on there since 2005? WTF?! Im old.

Okay...so reading through this thread, its looking like you all are getting calls and doing reasonably well?! Cause when I gave up on it is fter the merger, bidding went goodbye, and calls went goodbye with it. I only went on every once in a blue moon just cause theres a couple guys who would ask me to go available to call me, but this isthe first time Im actually checking it out, and I really am liking what I see again!

Anyway...I need to completely refresh my content and put up new photos....I dont think anything has been updated since 2008. Plus need to update my website for outside advertising, and what the hell, email my old NF customer list and see who might possibly still be around. So excited here though! Am here scoping out other NF related threads and amazed to see that people are actually making money on there again...that was still my fav site ever to work, when it was making money.

I'm so glad you are going to use NF again :-) Weirdly, the transition time in 09 and then 10 was my best $$ there so far. Maybe because so many flirts stopped taking calls, or I may have been in a glitch-free zone. Bidding is tough now, I loved it when it didn't exist and we were listed on straight LVS, had great position everywhere. Working on bumping it back up again.

caramelcraze
09-15-2013, 05:32 AM
Hey! I'm thinking about signing up for niteflirt for those nights I don't feel like getting glammed up for camming. My question is about profit: What is the profit split on the site and do they have charge backs like a lot of normal camming sites do? If they do have charge backs, how prevalent is it? Thanks a million everyone!

Nikki_Fox
09-15-2013, 02:14 PM
No chargebacks and 70/30 split - but depending on the item sold sometimes a little more sometimes a little less

chloemay
09-15-2013, 03:49 PM
Sorry, I forgot about this post and meant to respond. A couple of years ago there was a person, possibly from the UK (he had a strong british accent), using stolen cc numbers and calling the cam mistresses. There were charebacks from him, and spread a mistrust of UK sissies and SPH throughout the site. Most of his user names included 'white boi' something. According to the forums he was also hacking into flirt accounts, but I stress it has been at least 2 years since this has been mentioned in the forums.

So, there are chargebacks but they are rare.

Nikki_Fox
09-15-2013, 04:05 PM
thanks for sharing that - my understanding was they absorbed them - good to know

BlkSharpie
09-16-2013, 01:15 AM
Go into with a fresh set of eyes. Its not like it used to be.


@blksharpie - you need to get into the NF Invite group - pm vivianbear

Will do...on both counts!!!

BlkSharpie
09-16-2013, 01:18 AM
Re: Chargebacks.. didnt know about this recent guy, but I do know that waaaay back in the day something similar happened. I hadnt heard of any chargebacks through NF until someone went through with a stolen card and racked up thousands of dollars, and unfortunately those ladies did end up losing that money. I think that for your average one off guy NF doesnt pass it onto us, but when its fraud on a big scale they do. That one time was the only one I had heard of, and now this one. So it seems at least in that regard, things have stayed the same :)

BlkSharpie
09-16-2013, 01:22 AM
I'm so glad you are going to use NF again :-) Weirdly, the transition time in 09 and then 10 was my best $$ there so far. Maybe because so many flirts stopped taking calls, or I may have been in a glitch-free zone. Bidding is tough now, I loved it when it didn't exist and we were listed on straight LVS, had great position everywhere. Working on bumping it back up again.

Was it really 09/10? that seems so recent!! I feel like the change over happened right when I met my ex in 07/08 (I keep track of stuff by what I was doing at the time lol) anyway...yeah I was thinking / hoping that things would go great for me with everyone dropping off NF, but for me, my LVS I guess wasnt strong enough so I dropped so far down that I was getting no exposure...my only customers were the guys who already had me in their favorites list. And even then, it was a struggle to get calls.

But I checked my placement, and for my best listing its 8c to be at the top, so my LVS doesnt suck too badly Id guess. Really like that bidding is back. I prefer it that way!

BlkSharpie
09-16-2013, 01:23 AM
I'm so glad you are going to use NF again :-) Weirdly, the transition time in 09 and then 10 was my best $$ there so far. Maybe because so many flirts stopped taking calls, or I may have been in a glitch-free zone. Bidding is tough now, I loved it when it didn't exist and we were listed on straight LVS, had great position everywhere. Working on bumping it back up again.

Was it really 09/10? that seems so recent!! I feel like the change over happened right when I met my ex in 07/08 (I keep track of stuff by what I was doing at the time lol) anyway...yeah I was thinking / hoping that things would go great for me with everyone dropping off NF, but for me, my LVS I guess wasnt strong enough so I dropped so far down that I was getting no exposure...my only customers were the guys who already had me in their favorites list. And even then, it was a struggle to get calls.

But I checked my placement, and for my best listing its 8c to be at the top, so my LVS doesnt suck too badly Id guess. Really like that bidding is back. I prefer it that way!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-16-2013, 05:25 AM
The bidding this time around is very different than before. So is LVS. As arbitrary as ever. I was one of the people who benefited from the transition in 2009. For at least a year I was "stuck" on the front pages in several categories. So I was visible across the board and got plenty of calls. But even though I was in a good position, I still got my butt in gear and sought out alternatives. I have to say what happened to that site motivated me to learn more about being independent.

chloemay
09-16-2013, 07:01 AM
Was it really 09/10? that seems so recent!! I feel like the change over happened right when I met my ex in 07/08 (I keep track of stuff by what I was doing at the time lol) anyway...yeah I was thinking / hoping that things would go great for me with everyone dropping off NF, but for me, my LVS I guess wasnt strong enough so I dropped so far down that I was getting no exposure...my only customers were the guys who already had me in their favorites list. And even then, it was a struggle to get calls.

But I checked my placement, and for my best listing its 8c to be at the top, so my LVS doesnt suck too badly Id guess. Really like that bidding is back. I prefer it that way!

I remember it was 09 because I also moved right before, and changed banks, which caused a big mix-up. The transition and a new bank account did not play well together and it took months for me to get my check. This was the only big fuck-up I had regarding being paid by NF.

I say 2010 too, because girls were bitching about it for at least a year afterwards on the forums.

laurielegs
09-16-2013, 09:32 AM
No chargebacks and 70/30 split - but depending on the item sold sometimes a little more sometimes a little less

Actually, they do have chargebacks/fraud but the cases are extremely rare. Usually it's a stolen card and it's obvious it's going to be a fraud case. Last time I heard of one was a few years ago when a new-ish member started tributing thousands of dollars suddenly out of the blue.

oops! Should have read the whole thread before posting, didn't see that Sharpie already posted about that guy.

btw so glad to see you pop back up Sharpie :) :)

I'm trying to get back into Niteflirt again. I suck at driving my own traffic. It's so hard to devote the time to something that may or may not pay off, but I'm going to keep devoting at least a little time each week networking and twittering and such.

Nikki_Fox
09-23-2013, 02:21 PM
How has NF been for you this month? We are over half way through and it has been a disaster for me . We have a discussion going in the invite group but some ladies are either not checking in or not posting. Would love to hear from more ladies on this. I think the system is jacked up but it's hard to say without a broader sample of ladies to share their input.

laurielegs
09-25-2013, 05:46 AM
I get random calls from regulars but it has been super slow for me so far this month.

JusCammin505
09-26-2013, 07:08 AM
Hi all!

I've been awfully quiet in my time on SW, primarily because I am doing more learning than teaching. You ladies have done a fine job of explaining a LOT about NF on this thread. Bravo and thank you!!!


The other General Purpose Threads all have a brief description about the in's and outs of the site. This includes a lot of what you've discussed already in a quick summary, just for an easy reference. Here it is:

About Niteflirt:


NF is primarily a phone sex company
You can create up to three Characters.
Each Character has the ability to create many different listings for live phone sex, recorded MP3's, phone with cam, and Pay to View Mail.
You can send content, free minutes, and emails to your customers.
You set your own rates. (Under .99/min NOT recommended. Don't be cheap!)
NF Does not have its own cam client or software. You will use Skype, Yahoo, etc. I do NOT recommend Yahoo, but many girls use it successfully.
Each customer that calls you has the opportunity to leave you feedback. You can also get feedback on content and recorded Mp3's
You can cam with your phone calls, or choose not to cam. But you ALWAYS have to take a call in order to get paid. Tributes/Payments for Skype shows is prohibited.
You may advertise cam on Phone Only listings if you wish, but you are require to have cam options on Phone with Cam listings.
Niteflirt will take care of chargebacks for you, unless its a crazy situation like fraud or something similar.
NF Uses a "bidding" system where you can pay for position on the site. This is billed per click. (If you bid .25 a click, you will be billed .25 for each "qualified" customer that clicks your link. You can set a budget to regulate expenses.)
NF is not very user friendly. You really have to work on this site to make it a winner for you. It also is not easy to get started, but work great work, comes great payout. Your mileage may vary.
You MAY use a cell phone for calls. If your coverage sucks, you will lose customers quickly. Landline or exceptional cell coverage is preferred.
Unlike other phone sex companies, you are not required to work a schedule, but staying regular in your hours will benefit you GREATLY.
You do not have to use your own photos for your phone listings. You will make more money if you do use yours. Using stock photos for cam listings is NOT advised.
You can choose to get paid daily (Express Pay) depending on your bank, it will process within a week.
Niteflirt is 70/30 split for money made. (In your favor)
You may not do taboo, i.e., incest, bestiality, scat, period play, adult baby, rape, underage scenes, or pee/poo calls. This is in violation of Play Fair Terms and Conditions. (Corrections welcome!)
You do not have to do calls in categories you're not comfortable with. Matter of fact, just avoid them. Your callers will sense you are not okay/not experienced with the subject and you could lose the caller and potentially earn negative feedback.
In order to succeed on NF, you must read, read, read!! Go through SW's forums, lots of great info here...deeply hidden. NF has good forums as well, but the girls don't reveal a whole lot of secrets. Be creative, do your own thing. That's why NF is so diverse to begin with.
Don't do "taboo" calls. As tempting as it is to break the rules, the "No taboos" girls hurt the site just to make a few extra pennies, and they are booted off the site as quickly as they come in. Plus, you'll be encouraging people to do things that are illegal. Again, just don't do it.
NF has an affiliate program that, to my knowledge, can pay handsomely if you use it.
You can have your own website or blog and advertise it on NF, but it must be NF only - no outside content or pay options can be present on your site or NF will pull your listing and ask you to remove your link from their site.
You will have to push a lot of your own traffic and retain your own customers.

Please add to this list!!

kortneykay
09-26-2013, 07:29 AM
You can create three characters per phone number. You can create more with the same credit card, but a different phone number so really, the amount of characters is endless as long as you use several phone numbers and credit cards. The Affiliate program I don't think pays all that much, I do great riding customers, in order to do well on NF, you can do your research but the best way to do well is just put yourself out there and take calls. I think NF is more user friendly than AW is that's for sure lol.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-26-2013, 07:56 AM
AW requires a Masters degree to maneuver on that site. :)

Snowy0Star
09-26-2013, 10:09 AM
Thank you JusCammin505 that was very helpful! I normally stay in my little comfy bubble in CC unless i go into the C4S main thread in Industry Insight . Where is that thread u copy/pasted from? I just read this whole thread and Nikkie said the other NF threads are being shuffled around all over SW right now :/ .

Also probably a dumb noob question but as far as phone and camming with skype thats done "offsite" right like theres no interface for it or anything ? You just post in ur ad u do phone and cam with skype give them ur skype name and do it and the sites ok with this?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-26-2013, 10:31 AM
Snowy0Star NF is extremely unstable at the moment. Not saying you shouldn't sign up, but that's just something you should know. And yes Skype is offsite. Its kinda like independent camming, except there are a lot of rules. If you do sign up be sure to read the TOS through and through. The cut isn't really 70/30 your part. Its more like 65/35. More even if you decide to bid. If you have a pre-existing fanbase then I would not suggest sending them to that site. Not with all the tech issues. If you plan on riding the traffic...the traffic in minimal and dwindling. I would suggest CMD if you are looking to get out of Free Chat. Sorry to sound so negative against NF, but something is off there. But of course that could always turn around, So I suppose setting up an account for if and when that happens couldn't hurt.