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magicgembliss
11-07-2017, 12:09 PM
Um, what? You lost your entire income because one douche left you a 1 star review? What?

Hi there PinkPopcorn, as I mentioned, I am fairly new to camming, have no experience with it when I started and have some medical issues often preventing me from working as much as I like, so it's been slow going, although I have real potential. As a result I did in fact lose most of my entire income of that day which is coming mostly from Niteflirt as I had only one call in the same amount of time that I receive at least five to six including paid IDs. I have a feeling that it was also just a slow day. (Don't worry I'm working on goody bags and registering on two new sites as well, but it takes a longer time than I'd like to get settled in there.)

Thanks everyone for the replies, I wasn't expecting them! So it looks like this is just a pitfall of working in the industry then? Arbitrary, trollish reviews can affect your traffic or reputation.. just hope to cover them up with good reviews as soon as you can and make sure to buffer your income streams by utilizing other well-paying sites . It's just...I wonder if there is a way to pressure these sites into removing those types of reviews, which are invalid. If they can be verified to be factually untrue, or a chargeback has not even been requested, that review should NOT stand as it can affect the worker adversely. Can you imagine this crap going down were we union employees? Ha! I'm serious about this...why not start a labor organization or join one or something? We already have to deal with too many trolls and psychos in this industry. Anything that could help.

magicgembliss
11-07-2017, 12:10 PM
Naturally, NiteFlirt hasn't gotten back to me yet...they're very hands-off..

magicgembliss
11-07-2017, 12:17 PM
Oh man, pull up a chair! This drives me fucking nuts. I have had 2 negative reviews in the past 90 days, which knocked me down from top 3 overall in my main category on sm to between 6-8th (depending on the day). One dude joined a group show and started complaining that I didn't have audio, despite 4 other mofo's being in there who all commented that they could hear me just fine. yeah, got a one star review for that (despite it clearly not being my fault). Second dude this past weekend tipped me from free chat for a flash even though i was already doing a group show (and had been for like 5 minutes). he then sat there in free chat and upon realizing I wasn't coming out of a multiple person group show just to flash him, joined the group show, refused to talk at all, and stayed just long enough to get charged & thus be able to leave me a one star review. I went through the goddamn roof!
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This makes me angry too. There literally do exist this level of bottomfeeder in the world...call me naive but it still angers me. You did literally nothing wrong to this loser and they went out of their way to just troll you because they're mad about their sad life and have a deficient, entitling brain. Wish we could find a way to fight back against Troll Reviews!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-07-2017, 04:02 PM
I love niteflirt. that is all.

It really has been a blessing over the years.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-07-2017, 04:12 PM
I know this thread is ancient but wondering if anyone got a response from NF customer support, or how you coped? God NO you are not the only one...at least *I* am glad to hear that *I* am not the only one this happens to. I've only been camming for a few months,was JUST starting to make bank and then some unbalanced-sounding guy comes along, breathing heavy, in a muffled voice asking to dominate me though I have a femdomme profile (should have been my first clue huh?) and he leaves me a 1-star review with some babbling nonsense about not being able to get my cam to work. Even though he spent 12 minutes on the phone chatting with me and he never requested his money back. 15 minutes later, I had another successful normal Skype call. I literally lost my entire income. This guy in fact could have been a troll. My entire income... my rent is due in three days.

Would love to know if NF will consider deleting the review if you return the funds like their guidelines state? This is definitely a thread to re-animate...What to do? Can I just start a new profile? :'(

Did you ever get on cam during those 12 minutes? It was a phone with cam call? In the future if you run into a call where you know it's going to suck, like you just know it for sure, politely end the call before the 30 second mark. They can't leave feedback until the call goes past 30seconds. I say something along the lines of "I'm really sorry but I don't think we're compatible and I don't want to waste your time or money. You take care" and then I hang up. You can even block them if you like so they can't call you at a later date.

sarahlove
11-07-2017, 05:02 PM
Hi there PinkPopcorn, as I mentioned, I am fairly new to camming, have no experience with it when I started and have some medical issues often preventing me from working as much as I like, so it's been slow going, although I have real potential. As a result I did in fact lose most of my entire income of that day which is coming mostly from Niteflirt as I had only one call in the same amount of time that I receive at least five to six including paid IDs. I have a feeling that it was also just a slow day. (Don't worry I'm working on goody bags and registering on two new sites as well, but it takes a longer time than I'd like to get settled in there.)

Thanks everyone for the replies, I wasn't expecting them! So it looks like this is just a pitfall of working in the industry then? Arbitrary, trollish reviews can affect your traffic or reputation.. just hope to cover them up with good reviews as soon as you can and make sure to buffer your income streams by utilizing other well-paying sites . It's just...I wonder if there is a way to pressure these sites into removing those types of reviews, which are invalid. If they can be verified to be factually untrue, or a chargeback has not even been requested, that review should NOT stand as it can affect the worker adversely. Can you imagine this crap going down were we union employees? Ha! I'm serious about this...why not start a labor organization or join one or something? We already have to deal with too many trolls and psychos in this industry. Anything that could help.

I always get guys who call and find out if the feedback was real. I had feedback once that said "sounded like a man" and go 5 new customers because they wanted to call and see what I sounded like. Bad feedback is nothing. Not important. Most of the regulars with money don't even read them because they know that most of the guys who left them were idiots who are trying to get a refund.

don't let one troll steal your power. You were making money because you believed that you were making good money and you were the confident woman that they would pay to see. If you are to survive in this induastry you have to tie the trolls to a balloon and let them float away. Then imagine yourself as a big money magnet.

Your looks did not change
Your site did not change
The only thing that changed was the attitude.

I know for a FACT that women have boyfriends, husbands etc leave bad feedback. I had one guy leave me bad feedback and say I hung up on him when he was actually leaving bad feedback for a $.99 PTV. I say OH FUCK YES> that means I am being so successful that someone wants to ruin me.

I don't go away that easy. I don't back down. Don't give anyone your power or they win.

oh yeah and people post on this thread every day.

and if you made money today even if the guy didn't leave bad feedback it would not be to you in 3 days.

magicgembliss
11-07-2017, 06:25 PM
Hey everyone and thanks for the support. I haven't yet been able to read all the replies on this thread.

I also, LOVE NiteFlirt! But it really hurts to suddenly have zero people calling the same exact listing with no change to it at all except your first below-5 star rating and losing most of your income from there for not changing anything or doing anything wrong. I only have 16 written feedback and this one on is still on the first page. A complete lie....

Why not advocate for yourselves? Why are the self-employed often so adamant about not doing so? The only mistake I made here was not hanging up the call and blocking a creep who I got such a bad vibe from immediately. I will be more circumspect in the future.

This is what I just received from NiteFlirt:

"Feedback is considered eligible for removal based on the fact that it was posted for a 'disconnected call' when the call in question never begins and therefore does not contain a conversation between the Flirt and customer. In such cases, the customer has paid for a service they did not receive and the Flirt has earned funds for a service they did not provide.

The call you are referring to was connected and a service was exchanged. For this reason, we are unable to refund the customer in the manner you have requested and the feedback will not be removed.

We appreciate your understanding.

Regards,"

Not cool, not fair! Like it or not, it is a fact of life being self-employed that trolls and creeps DO have an effect on our income, through feedback and review systems. We should be able to delete provably-false reviews. Call me anti-free speech if you want but I believe this! This goes across all industries.

MistressX
11-07-2017, 07:45 PM
I still havent turned my lines on. Havent been able to find a reliable, good quality head set that is compatible with my little at&t land line phone. I did try using that land line phone for one call and the volume was really terrible. I bought one off amazon and that one was really awful too. Bought a headset with a mic that goes in front of your phace but it wouldnt work with any of my phones when I plugged it in which was weird. Can you guys recommend one that actually works?

ExoticBeauty4U
11-08-2017, 02:26 PM
Ty for this info! Ive had the same guy call my cam listings under different names and even though ive blocked him ( hes an asshole each time) hell leave bad reviews each time. I just delete my profile afterwards but it sucks bc the first time he did this bs I had a nice amount of reviews:(

avalon_rose
11-08-2017, 02:38 PM
Okay, let's rewind for a second here.

You got ONE 1-star review. Stop and breathe for a second.

I've been on NF for about 4 years now, multiple accounts. There are at least 2 that have received at least one 1-star review from a similar circumstance. NiteFlirt will NOT - I repeat, WILL NOT - erase the FIRST 1-star review someone leaves for you. If the person were to have called you another time or two, and then subsequently left 1-star reviews to be an asshole, THEN you could contact NF and the ADDITIONAL reviews would be considered "Flirt Harassment" and they would be deleted - but the FIRST 1-star review will always be there, no matter what.

You have 16 reviews. Only one of those reviews are 1-star. Your business is not going to tank profusely because of one single, solitary 1-star review. Perhaps it has affected your placement? Your attitude? Have you found yourself angry with the Troll and NF and haven't been logging in or putting in as much effort lately?

If it's affected your placement - BID a few cents and put yourself back up higher in the listings to get more calls and then, hopefully, more reviews to bump yourself back up.

It sucks, but it happens. We all get shitty people every once in a while that just want to troll us, or be an asshole. But the vast majority of clients aren't bad - and especially with NiteFlirt, they tend to have higher quality traffic than some other sites.

Chalk this up to a learning experience, breathe, and move on and continue to grow your business. Concentrate on that which you can control.

avalon_rose
11-08-2017, 02:43 PM
And RE: payments ... I always have Express Pay enabled because I'm greedy like that. I pretty regularly receive them Direct Deposited in 5 business days. Just remember you need to take into account weekend days and bank holidays - if you make $15 on Wednesday, and it gets pulled from your NF account on Thursday ... 5 business days is the following Thursday - because Saturday and Sunday don't count. That's 7 days, but 5 bank processing business days. Just a thought in case you hadn't considered it.

ETA: And let's say Monday is a Holiday - then you're looking at a Direct Deposit probably on Friday, maybe Monday - GASP! - that's a whole 10 calendar days!

grneyesnfl
11-08-2017, 04:55 PM
In the future if you run into a call where you know it's going to suck, like you just know it for sure, politely end the call before the 30 second mark. They can't leave feedback until the call goes past 30seconds. I say something along the lines of "I'm really sorry but I don't think we're compatible and I don't want to waste your time or money. You take care" and then I hang up. You can even block them if you like so they can't call you at a later date.

This is inaccurate information. Being able to leave feedback on NF has nothing to do with the length of time they are on the phone. Here's the feedback rule: First time callers can always leave feedback regardless of what they spent. After that, callers must spend at least 99 cents in order to leave feedback on a purchase.

grneyesnfl
11-08-2017, 05:02 PM
NiteFlirt will NOT - I repeat, WILL NOT - erase the FIRST 1-star review someone leaves for you. If the person were to have called you another time or two, and then subsequently left 1-star reviews to be an asshole, THEN you could contact NF and the ADDITIONAL reviews would be considered "Flirt Harassment" and they would be deleted - but the FIRST 1-star review will always be there, no matter what.



This is not true. They have plenty of instances in which they will remove a customer's feedback... even if it's the very first review someone has left you. You can find the list here: https://www.niteflirt.com/help/feedback_policy

magicgembliss
11-08-2017, 08:30 PM
Okay, let's rewind for a second here.

You got ONE 1-star review. Stop and breathe for a second.

I've been on NF for about 4 years now, multiple accounts. There are at least 2 that have received at least one 1-star review from a similar circumstance. NiteFlirt will NOT - I repeat, WILL NOT - erase the FIRST 1-star review someone leaves for you. If the person were to have called you another time or two, and then subsequently left 1-star reviews to be an asshole, THEN you could contact NF and the ADDITIONAL reviews would be considered "Flirt Harassment" and they would be deleted - but the FIRST 1-star review will always be there, no matter what.

You have 16 reviews. Only one of those reviews are 1-star. Your business is not going to tank profusely because of one single, solitary 1-star review. Perhaps it has affected your placement? Your attitude? Have you found yourself angry with the Troll and NF and haven't been logging in or putting in as much effort lately?

If it's affected your placement - BID a few cents and put yourself back up higher in the listings to get more calls and then, hopefully, more reviews to bump yourself back up.

It sucks, but it happens. We all get shitty people every once in a while that just want to troll us, or be an asshole. But the vast majority of clients aren't bad - and especially with NiteFlirt, they tend to have higher quality traffic than some other sites.

Chalk this up to a learning experience, breathe, and move on and continue to grow your business. Concentrate on that which you can control.

Thanks...first I'd like to say, I had no idea that I could create multiple listings...I would have gotten on that right away. I only have one on NF in total. That is why this one star review was so unfortunate.

Second - it did in fact almost entirely ruin my income for a couple days so far, and maybe more past that, just a FYI for anyone who might be wondering. If I leave my availability on for most of the day I absolutely make between $100 to $200 a day with my one bad resolution photo and fairly creative domme ad.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, the very next morning after that call.... no calls. My total income for same amount of time was $12. Coincidence? No. Fact. ONLY thing that changed was the one negative review at top saying "couldn't get her webcam to work" whic had been left hours later by the troll. That's it. Killed the daily revenue from NF. Not a single paid mail for that whole day. Slowly, I'm getting back, have a fan calling every day, etc.

Big lesson here is, if you're going to do NF at all, do your research first, make SEVERAL LISTINGS!!!! That way one review won't ruin your rep (if even temporarily).

magicgembliss
11-08-2017, 08:36 PM
This is not true. They have plenty of instances in which they will remove a customer's feedback... even if it's the very first review someone has left you. You can find the list here: https://www.niteflirt.com/help/feedback_policy

Yes, NiteFlirt will in fact (according to what they told me, and according to their listed policies in "Policies and Abuse") erase feedback, but only under the circumstance where there was a disconnected call. If the call was completed and services rendered then the custie (here- troll) gets to leave feedback regardless of what it is- an outright lie, revenge, emotional response after not being able to make their Skype work, whatever. It stays. Same as for every single business in America today via Yelp, Tripadvisor, Google reviews etc etc etc. How many new restaurants with not many reviews out there do you think lost significant business because the ex of the owner wanted to exact some revenge via Yelp or Zagat or even Facebook? How many positive reviews are paid? It happens all the time.

magicgembliss
11-08-2017, 08:58 PM
1. calls
2. chat
3. tribute
4. PTV
5. goodies
6. recorded listings



Just reading through, I must admit that I'm confused about goodies and recorded listings- but this is basically because of the very old-school coding of NF. I really don't know enough HTML to properly deck out my profile *sigh* Same for MFC. On the To-Do list for me....Can anyone give me a link or help clarify what the heck the recorded listing is? Is that the recorded message you record before you can make our listing go live? I don't get paid for that- or just never have??!

I also got this follow-up from support, to add to my previous comment:

"Feedback is only eligible for removal based on our Feedback Policy. If the feedback does not meet any of the criteria listed, then I'm afraid it's not eligible for removal.

In your specific case, please note that our Feedback Policy states in part: "Feedback mistakenly left or intended for another Flirt will be considered for removal only when the Member responsible informs NiteFlirt of the error." If your customer has posted feedback incorrectly, please advise them that they may contact us directly to inform us of the error so that we may assist them properly."

*sigh*

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-08-2017, 10:14 PM
Just reading through, I must admit that I'm confused about goodies and recorded listings- but this is basically because of the very old-school coding of NF. I really don't know enough HTML to properly deck out my profile *sigh* Same for MFC. On the To-Do list for me....Can anyone give me a link or help clarify what the heck the recorded listing is? Is that the recorded message you record before you can make our listing go live? I don't get paid for that- or just never have??!

I also got this follow-up from support, to add to my previous comment:

"Feedback is only eligible for removal based on our Feedback Policy. If the feedback does not meet any of the criteria listed, then I'm afraid it's not eligible for removal.

In your specific case, please note that our Feedback Policy states in part: "Feedback mistakenly left or intended for another Flirt will be considered for removal only when the Member responsible informs NiteFlirt of the error." If your customer has posted feedback incorrectly, please advise them that they may contact us directly to inform us of the error so that we may assist them properly."

*sigh*

Was the one star feedback left on a "call with cam" listing that never connected to webcam?

magicgembliss
11-08-2017, 10:21 PM
Just ONE more comment from annoying ol me- hopefully this could be helpful to someone although it was mentioned in the thread. I just remembered that yeah, when I started out on NF and had like NO reviews I was getting hmm like 75% of the calls I was towards the end after I had like 16 written reviews. So the quickest solution to this problem if anyone has it is in fact to simply start a new listing to receive the (almost) usual volume of calls (assuming you're like me in terms of profile) :D :D Sorry I was so discombobulated lately that I didn't think of that.

magicgembliss
11-08-2017, 10:26 PM
Was the one star feedback left on a "call with cam" listing that never connected to webcam?

Well that's the thing..my profile is a call with cam and on every single call I'm asked to be viewed on Skype. We were connected via Skype but claimed he couldn't see me despite there being no indication on my end of a visual problem.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-08-2017, 10:37 PM
Well that's the thing..my profile is a call with cam and on every single call I'm asked to be viewed on Skype. We were connected via Skype but claimed he couldn't see me despite there being no indication on my end of a visual problem.

If you're new to camming and using skype there may have been an issue. Be sure to look at your icons. Before each and every skype call I get I make sure my webcam plus microphone is assigned. I'm kinda ocd like that, so I like to be sure. On your skype page during the show you can see if the video and/or audio icon has a slash through it. If the slash is there then the call is missing one of those two things. Make sure that they can see you from the very beginning before getting into a show. "Let me know that you can see your Mistress crystal clear" or whatever. He could have just been a douche bag who didn't know how to set up his equipment, but it's best to be able to determine this from the beginning. If you do a check at the beginning and they say No I can't see you, then end the call. Sometimes they aren't as smart as we'd like them to be, plus the blood is rushing away from the brain. Essentially they're stoopid at this point.

avalon_rose
11-08-2017, 11:44 PM
This is not true. They have plenty of instances in which they will remove a customer's feedback... even if it's the very first review someone has left you. You can find the list here: https://www.niteflirt.com/help/feedback_policy

Right, but those don't apply to the situation.

Unless maybe she agrees to the refund one and NF agrees it falls under that - other than that, the list doesn't apply.

Also, magic - yep, you can have multiple listings! You can have one listing per category on NiteFlirt. So ... however many categories, etc., there are.

And then you can have up to three accounts per credit card and phone number you used to sign up with - so those are additional.

This forum is full of a ton of great information. Just read as much as you can - and the NF forums might be helpful, too. :)

grneyesnfl
11-09-2017, 05:43 AM
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JaneBurgess
11-09-2017, 01:06 PM
You can remove any bad feedback on NF as long as you agree to reimburse the customer the funds for the show. I had it done before

sarahlove
11-09-2017, 10:22 PM
You can remove any bad feedback on NF as long as you agree to reimburse the customer the funds for the show. I had it done before

I think that she tried that and they said no I think that it has to do with who reviews the request more then anything

PinkPopcorn
11-09-2017, 10:24 PM
I signed up for Niteflirt about two weeks ago, got my listing approved, everything was great. I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I keep my phone on from about 8 AM to 11 PM and haven't gotten a single call or text. What am I doing wrong? I posted my ad in BDSM and Extra Kinky as a submissive woman. Is NF mostly domme only?

edit: I had to change my ad like seven times because each time I'd submit it NF would say no because of wording. It did finally get approved though, idk if that effected it.

edit again because I'm obsessing: I did get one dude who added me to his favorites and I sent him an e-mail saying I'd like to talk but that was it.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-09-2017, 10:50 PM
I signed up for Niteflirt about two weeks ago, got my listing approved, everything was great. I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I keep my phone on from about 8 AM to 11 PM and haven't gotten a single call or text. What am I doing wrong? I posted my ad in BDSM and Extra Kinky as a submissive woman. Is NF mostly domme only?

edit: I had to change my ad like seven times because each time I'd submit it NF would say no because of wording. It did finally get approved though, idk if that effected it.

edit again because I'm obsessing: I did get one dude who added me to his favorites and I sent him an e-mail saying I'd like to talk but that was it.

How long has it been since you were approved for calls? Have you been in the approval stage for most of those two weeks? Also for anyone else out there, if you make changes to your listing while waiting for approval this will reset the clock. So submit and then leave it alone.

Also no it's not just domme accounts. I have submissive listings as well as dominant and other stuff that can't always be described ;)

Blovely
11-10-2017, 01:20 AM
I signed up for Niteflirt about two weeks ago, got my listing approved, everything was great. I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I keep my phone on from about 8 AM to 11 PM and haven't gotten a single call or text. What am I doing wrong? I posted my ad in BDSM and Extra Kinky as a submissive woman. Is NF mostly domme only?

edit: I had to change my ad like seven times because each time I'd submit it NF would say no because of wording. It did finally get approved though, idk if that effected it.

edit again because I'm obsessing: I did get one dude who added me to his favorites and I sent him an e-mail saying I'd like to talk but that was it.

You have to pretty much promote the shit out of your Niteflirt to get calls and texts. Multiple times I've left my lines on all day for like a week and I didn't get any calls. I've had my account since 2013 but haven't really put much effort into it but I have gotten calls in the past. I looked back at those customers and the time frame that I got those calls, it was a time where I was going really hard with everything.....uploading clips on Clips4sale frequently, had a domme website, updated my blog, put out promo tease clips, etc. Over the years I stopped doing all of that but I'm 99% sure that if I started doing all of that again or even just 50% that I'd see traffic to my NF.

magicgembliss
11-10-2017, 02:23 AM
You can remove any bad feedback on NF as long as you agree to reimburse the customer the funds for the show. I had it done before

Wait a minute- how exactly did you do that? According to NF I don't think they will pull it OR give him his money back under any other situation than a disconnected call....ou mean you personally contacted the customer and offered to give him his money back? And once you did that, they pulled the feedback?

magicgembliss
11-10-2017, 02:25 AM
I signed up for Niteflirt about two weeks ago, got my listing approved, everything was great. I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I keep my phone on from about 8 AM to 11 PM and haven't gotten a single call or text. What am I doing wrong? I posted my ad in BDSM and Extra Kinky as a submissive woman. Is NF mostly domme only?

edit: I had to change my ad like seven times because each time I'd submit it NF would say no because of wording. It did finally get approved though, idk if that effected it.

edit again because I'm obsessing: I did get one dude who added me to his favorites and I sent him an e-mail saying I'd like to talk but that was it.

I think you have to feature your listing, bid at least like 10 cents let's say. Otherwise it's unlikely you will get contacted at all as there are thousands of people on NF.

caramelcraze
11-10-2017, 05:03 AM
Anyone else having calls drop after a single ring? had this happen twice in the past hour.

Smurfette
11-10-2017, 09:40 AM
Quick question, I apologize as I'm sure this has been discussed already. Can you create multiple listings with the exact same content (text, images etc)? I have one for phone with cam, and I want another for just phone. Or do they all have to be different? Thanks

JaceyLynn
11-10-2017, 10:17 AM
They do not have to be different.

Smurfette
11-10-2017, 10:35 AM
Thanks!!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2017, 12:24 PM
Wait a minute- how exactly did you do that? According to NF I don't think they will pull it OR give him his money back under any other situation than a disconnected call....ou mean you personally contacted the customer and offered to give him his money back? And once you did that, they pulled the feedback?


I think that she tried that and they said no I think that it has to do with who reviews the request more then anything

She pretty much called it right here.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2017, 12:28 PM
Anyone else having calls drop after a single ring? had this happen twice in the past hour.

I had some dead air issues overnight. I'd pick up and silence. On one call the auto voice didnt even start. But the callers tried again after I hung up.

LolaLu
11-10-2017, 02:12 PM
In your opinion is it better to pad out a few listings with goody bags and ptv or do a lot of listings with not many ptv/goody bag links? I have some content but need to work on doing more. I have enough for a few listings but if I make more (which I want to) I wont be able to put much content on the others right now. If that makes sense

Smurfette
11-10-2017, 02:19 PM
How do you guys start the convo when you get a call? I know it's not rocket science but I've never done phone and I'm a little bit nervous.

Just a generic "Hey baby, how are you? Tell me about yourself... mmm what gets you hot?" kinda thing? Do you ever write out scripts ahead of time or is it always spontaneous?

I just want to make sure i'm prepared for my first call so I don't come off as awkward or whatever. I'm a pretty good conversationalist once I get going but for me it can be hard to START unless the guy is already a chatterbox.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2017, 04:01 PM
In your opinion is it better to pad out a few listings with goody bags and ptv or do a lot of listings with not many ptv/goody bag links? I have some content but need to work on doing more. I have enough for a few listings but if I make more (which I want to) I wont be able to put much content on the others right now. If that makes sense

I think you should have at least one button on your listing. Also it's a good idea to have some variance from listing to listing. It's easy to make them all the same in the beginning but after you get more experienced change it up a bit. I do a lot of ptv's so I use some listings like a storefront and load them up with all my content. I think when I get more time I may go back to having a self host web page just for NF ptv's. This way I can link to it from my listings and still be nf compliant and then also link to it from a non-compliant NF blog that's pimped out and optimized.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-10-2017, 04:13 PM
How do you guys start the convo when you get a call? I know it's not rocket science but I've never done phone and I'm a little bit nervous.

Just a generic "Hey baby, how are you? Tell me about yourself... mmm what gets you hot?" kinda thing? Do you ever write out scripts ahead of time or is it always spontaneous?

I just want to make sure i'm prepared for my first call so I don't come off as awkward or whatever. I'm a pretty good conversationalist once I get going but for me it can be hard to START unless the guy is already a chatterbox.

I use to have a script ions ago when I worked for a dispatch company. And to be honest it was so pointless. :) If you're not comfortable then they will definitely be able to tell that you're reading a script. I don't answer the phone the same way every time. Sometimes I start with Good Afternoon, I'm... other times I start with Hey Baby! What's Poppin? You can ask them questions but make it flirty so it doesn't feel like you're interrogating them and trying to drag out the time. Depending on the type of call you have to try and mix it up. Instead of "My name is..., What's your name?" try "Now that you know my name, tell me yours so I know what to moan when I'm cumming later." He tells you his name, repeat it then change the subject.

sarahlove
11-10-2017, 06:31 PM
In your opinion is it better to pad out a few listings with goody bags and ptv or do a lot of listings with not many ptv/goody bag links? I have some content but need to work on doing more. I have enough for a few listings but if I make more (which I want to) I wont be able to put much content on the others right now. If that makes sense

Money is made on ptv and goody bags. You only need to have it sit there. I make money in my sleep when I am not logged in because boys like to have something to look at. Sure a voice is nice but if you have a photo with your MP3 or a video then shit you can be making money 24/7. Money you make if you lose your voice, money you make if you have a family ER. My goodie bags and PTVs make more money for me then anything. When you have a whole bunch of listings it looks like you are trying to hard and you don't have a "niche" (an opinion given to me by a caller I personally can kind of see it both ways)

My biggest whale to date which was $20,000 in 3 months was on my customer list for a year. I marketed to him like I do every customer. He finally purchased a $.99 PTV which has a 30 sec MP3 and we were OFF... lol it was a wild aventure I was making him $999 PTVs god it was fun. BUT! I would not have had him as a caller EVER if I did not send out that sample MP3. I preach that callers are not where the money is at. I say it over and over calls are nice but passive income is AMAZING...

Sorry if I am really passionate on this but realizing it changed my life. I am 100% financially independant. I do not have money coming in from any source except the income streams that I created. Phone calls are nice but I love waking up to payouts I did the work for 3 months ago.

LolaLu
11-11-2017, 02:43 AM
I love your passion for it. I agree that passive income is far better. Calls make me a bit nervous tbh amd I find american men so much harder to keep on the line than brit men. So if I can make NF goody bags and ptvs work for me as well as they do for you then I'm there.

avalon_rose
11-11-2017, 08:38 AM
I love your passion for it. I agree that passive income is far better. Calls make me a bit nervous tbh amd I find american men so much harder to keep on the line than brit men. So if I can make NF goody bags and ptvs work for me as well as they do for you then I'm there.

Too funny! I had this issue with UK men as a US female. I found them more difficult to keep on the phone - to be honest, they were much more casually chattier than American men. Haha! Maybe we should exchange tips! ;)

LolaLu
11-11-2017, 03:41 PM
Haha definitely. I find US men can't just come out and say what they want. Then when you can't mind read them within 30seconds they hang up lol

Happy to exchange tips ;-)

HelenaVixen
11-11-2017, 05:38 PM
Money is made on ptv and goody bags. You only need to have it sit there. I make money in my sleep when I am not logged in because boys like to have something to look at. Sure a voice is nice but if you have a photo with your MP3 or a video then shit you can be making money 24/7. Money you make if you lose your voice, money you make if you have a family ER. My goodie bags and PTVs make more money for me then anything. When you have a whole bunch of listings it looks like you are trying to hard and you don't have a "niche" (an opinion given to me by a caller I personally can kind of see it both ways)

My biggest whale to date which was $20,000 in 3 months was on my customer list for a year. I marketed to him like I do every customer. He finally purchased a $.99 PTV which has a 30 sec MP3 and we were OFF... lol it was a wild aventure I was making him $999 PTVs god it was fun. BUT! I would not have had him as a caller EVER if I did not send out that sample MP3. I preach that callers are not where the money is at. I say it over and over calls are nice but passive income is AMAZING...

Sorry if I am really passionate on this but realizing it changed my life. I am 100% financially independant. I do not have money coming in from any source except the income streams that I created. Phone calls are nice but I love waking up to payouts I did the work for 3 months ago.

I will second this, there is nothing better than waking up to money. I almost cried the time I woke up and had more than $200 from Niteflirt in my account from just a couple of hours of being on the phone. I know that's not a lot for you OG's but coming from a 9-5 where I was absolutely struggling, didn't have time to do anything, and hated my job, this was a life changer FOR SURE. I have time to see my child grow up and I can volunteer at her school more, I can have time for MYSELF, and I'm my own boss. I don't have someone telling me what I can and cannot do, when I can take a goddamn lunch or a break. I can finally travel and visit my family in other states, I can have a goddam life.
Yes this is still hard work but its the hard work that I have no problem doing. I'm not slaving away to make someone ELSE's dream. I'm doing all this hard work for me and my daughter. And to see it pay off....goddamnit here come the tears!

sexysusie
11-12-2017, 09:22 AM
What kind of things do you make? Cause clips have never done well for me. I can put up about 10 accross different sites, get all excited, then next day nothing.. they just don't sell except maybe once every now and then. Mine are usually hd and range from $2 - $20 with a range of topics from Domme to masturbation :/

LolaLu
11-12-2017, 11:45 AM
Suzy I have made clips and pic sets for goody bags. Also mp3 might be good for goody bags. Every time I make one I intend on sending out a ptv email with an example of the new goody bag item in it.
I also plan on making some ptv games.
For NF I am solely concentrating on FemDom/Fetish so all my content will be based around this.

Eta: I got my first cheque on 14th if the month, banked it and got the money on 23rd. That was with Santander and they charged £10. I know you've been having trouble with getting cheques cashed fairly fast but it might be an idea to open an account with them just to cash these.

sexysusie
11-12-2017, 10:18 PM
^ I get daily pay now. TSB charge only £5 btw, but every bank i used took forever. Thank you for the goodbag tips x

LolaLu
11-12-2017, 11:48 PM
Oh do you? I didn't realise they had started that already. Is it with Colin?

sexysusie
11-13-2017, 12:02 AM
Yes but i think only some have it as a test x

beauvoir
11-14-2017, 05:23 AM
What is ptv? x