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PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-01-2018, 02:36 PM
I don't have an HTML type profile just yet, is that how I'd be able to do these things you listed? I tweak what I have so far by changing up the wording & what not, I'm getting clicks here & there.
I mostly use Dreamweaver for building webpages but there are other wysiwyg html editors that are newbie friendly. WYSIWYG is an acronym for What You See Is What You Get. Microsoft Expression Web was great until they discontinued it. I have it on an older computer and need to upload it for safe keeping. Honestly I'm kind of over Microsoft and slowly working on building a Linux machine. I've heard great things about Adobe Muse but I've never used it myself. The thing to keep in mind that even with an html editor it won't translate on a NF listing exactly the way you want. The coding isn't as advanced. Whatever you download I'm sure there's a YT video tutorial that can walk you through it.
xxxGothBarbie
08-01-2018, 03:40 PM
I mostly use Dreamweaver for building webpages but there are other wysiwyg html editors that are newbie friendly. WYSIWYG is an acronym for What You See Is What You Get. Microsoft Expression Web was great until they discontinued it. I have it on an older computer and need to upload it for safe keeping. Honestly I'm kind of over Microsoft and slowly working on building a Linux machine. I've heard great things about Adobe Muse but I've never used it myself. The thing to keep in mind that even with an html editor it won't translate on a NF listing exactly the way you want. The coding isn't as advanced. Whatever you download I'm sure there's a YT video tutorial that can walk you through it.
Do I even need html for my prfile to be successful? seems like a headache since these programs aren't even around anymore.
sarahlove
08-02-2018, 05:11 PM
Glad it is working for you....I have previously left my line open for 24hrs a day for days at a time and not got a single call. Not for me.
I have found that they want what they can't have and leaving the listing on all the time makes it so those profiles seem like static.
sarahlove
08-02-2018, 05:12 PM
Do I even need html for my prfile to be successful? seems like a headache since these programs aren't even around anymore.
I use html to put goodie bags on my profile and when they purchase them it changes your conversion rate and you pay less for bidding.
sarahlove
08-02-2018, 05:16 PM
Always respond with a Pay to View email.
If he doesn't pay block or ignore. Problem solved ;)
I wish all sites had pay to view email! Hell I wish real life had it, hahah.
I would definitely send a PTV but I would not block him. Some guys don't come on every day. They might only come on ever week or so when they are alone. Just food for thought.
foxirox
08-03-2018, 03:20 PM
I think I'm starting to see a turnaround with how I run my business on NF, even with the summer slump. I have taken advice about sending out PTV's and using chat a lot more to my potential. I'm starting to see how this can really pay off. I used to get really frustrated with guys not calling me and would point blank tell them to. Now, I've changed my mindset and see everyone as a potential whale. I've been finding out more and more about them via chat and then upselling my goodies and making custom PTV's. 9 times out of 10 - they have purchased them even when I thought they wouldn't. Without doing this, I wouldn't have made anything this week.
I've also made a little voice sample for 0.99 cents. I've introduced my character, what I offer etc. I've used my snowball ice with Audacity which makes my voice so much more clearer. I've sent this out with a welcome email to everybody who add me to their favourites list. . As it's only 0.99 cents, a few of them have purchased it.
The best thing for me is actually not dealing with customers so directly anymore. It's been really nice and a lot less draining. I hope it continues!
BadBitch
08-03-2018, 08:23 PM
I think I'm starting to see a turnaround with how I run my business on NF, even with the summer slump. I have taken advice about sending out PTV's and using chat a lot more to my potential. I'm starting to see how this can really pay off. I used to get really frustrated with guys not calling me and would point blank tell them to. Now, I've changed my mindset and see everyone as a potential whale. I've been finding out more and more about them via chat and then upselling my goodies and making custom PTV's. 9 times out of 10 - they have purchased them even when I thought they wouldn't. Without doing this, I wouldn't have made anything this week.
I've also made a little voice sample for 0.99 cents. I've introduced my character, what I offer etc. I've used my snowball ice with Audacity which makes my voice so much more clearer. I've sent this out with a welcome email to everybody who add me to their favourites list. . As it's only 0.99 cents, a few of them have purchased it.
The best thing for me is actually not dealing with customers so directly anymore. It's been really nice and a lot less draining. I hope it continues!
You sound so much like me :)
O-Hime-Sama
08-04-2018, 11:52 AM
Hey! I am a very long time lurker on this forum and I love it, it’s helped me so much. I’m taking a break from stripping and want to try this whole PSO/Cam gig, and I swear I have read at least 85% of this thread and I’m trying to learn everything I possibly can about NF.... I just have oneeee question ... what is the difference between your main profile and your listing page? When a customer is scrolling through the site and they find you under whatever category and click your name, is the page they go to your profile, or listing page? Is it important to make a whole detailed profile and just as detailed listings with pictures etc? I’m working on two characters right now and there’s still so much to learn, and I want to focus my attention on the most important stuff first. Thanks in advance!
sarahlove
08-05-2018, 05:39 PM
Hey! I am a very long time lurker on this forum and I love it, it’s helped me so much. I’m taking a break from stripping and want to try this whole PSO/Cam gig, and I swear I have read at least 85% of this thread and I’m trying to learn everything I possibly can about NF.... I just have oneeee question ... what is the difference between your main profile and your listing page? When a customer is scrolling through the site and they find you under whatever category and click your name, is the page they go to your profile, or listing page? Is it important to make a whole detailed profile and just as detailed listings with pictures etc? I’m working on two characters right now and there’s still so much to learn, and I want to focus my attention on the most important stuff first. Thanks in advance!����
Welcome to Niteflirt! I love being a PSO.
So I look at it like this. Your profile is the book and your listings are the chapters. They will be able to see your profile page and click all over your profile. I suggest putting PTVs and doing goodie bags so that you can have chances to turn clickers into customers!
Have fun!
sarahlove
08-05-2018, 05:45 PM
I think I'm starting to see a turnaround with how I run my business on NF, even with the summer slump. I have taken advice about sending out PTV's and using chat a lot more to my potential. I'm starting to see how this can really pay off. I used to get really frustrated with guys not calling me and would point blank tell them to. Now, I've changed my mindset and see everyone as a potential whale. I've been finding out more and more about them via chat and then upselling my goodies and making custom PTV's. 9 times out of 10 - they have purchased them even when I thought they wouldn't. Without doing this, I wouldn't have made anything this week.
I've also made a little voice sample for 0.99 cents. I've introduced my character, what I offer etc. I've used my snowball ice with Audacity which makes my voice so much more clearer. I've sent this out with a welcome email to everybody who add me to their favourites list. . As it's only 0.99 cents, a few of them have purchased it.
The best thing for me is actually not dealing with customers so directly anymore. It's been really nice and a lot less draining. I hope it continues!
I love sitting around and chatting and not having to talk on the phone. I have several profiles and when chat came out I sent out messages to get all my callers to chat me. I do 10-15 conversations per character per day. I raised my rates and I have not taken a call in months. It is awesome because I have trained them to tribute so I will be "interested" since I am not really "available" I am so thankful for chat. It has made it not even feel like summer!
foxirox
08-05-2018, 09:25 PM
I love sitting around and chatting and not having to talk on the phone. I have several profiles and when chat came out I sent out messages to get all my callers to chat me. I do 10-15 conversations per character per day. I raised my rates and I have not taken a call in months. It is awesome because I have trained them to tribute so I will be "interested" since I am not really "available" I am so thankful for chat. It has made it not even feel like summer!
Can I ask you, you say you send out daily PTV's. Are these custom PTV's? I'm been making a few custom PTV's with one of my characters which are all Audios since can't show my face. But the risk with this is, that the guy in question won't purchase it. I'm just a bit confused as to what PTV's to send out as my customer base is all so different. I have made a voice sample and send that out with a welcome message if somebody adds me to their favourites, but just curious how you work it?! Also, is there an easier way of send the same email to all new customers who add you to their favourites list? I seem to have to always write out the same message (no copy and paste option?) Thank you ! You are my inspiration :)
MissGD
08-06-2018, 01:09 PM
Can I ask you, you say you send out daily PTV's. Are these custom PTV's? I'm been making a few custom PTV's with one of my characters which are all Audios since can't show my face. But the risk with this is, that the guy in question won't purchase it. I'm just a bit confused as to what PTV's to send out as my customer base is all so different. I have made a voice sample and send that out with a welcome message if somebody adds me to their favourites, but just curious how you work it?! Also, is there an easier way of send the same email to all new customers who add you to their favourites list? I seem to have to always write out the same message (no copy and paste option?) Thank you ! You are my inspiration :)
I know this was meant for someone else but to create your own copy and paste I'd suggest a word doc that you keep the recorded message in and then you can just copy the written part and add the file in manually and send. It's as automated as it's gonna get I believe. I also don't find it a waste to make custom mp3s if you make them custom but leave out names it can be used on another guy on a case by case basis without seeming too general. That and although he may not purchase it now there is a high chance he might decide to purchase later.
MissGD
08-06-2018, 01:53 PM
Google voice is free correct? I'm hitting my max as well for my account and I want to start some new characters now that my other character has hit stability.
O-Hime-Sama
08-06-2018, 06:47 PM
Another quick question... I’ve uploaded two goody bags while I’m waiting for my live listing to be accepted. It says both goodie bags are active and accepted, its just waiting for the thumbnail approval. However when I go to search for the goody bag in the new section and look under my keywords they’re nowhere to be found? Anyone have any idea why? Also what are good price points for goody bags?
Classy_Katy
08-06-2018, 10:46 PM
I've also made a little voice sample for 0.99 cents. I've introduced my character, what I offer etc. I've used my snowball ice with Audacity which makes my voice so much more clearer. I've sent this out with a welcome email to everybody who add me to their favourites list. . As it's only 0.99 cents, a few of them have purchased it.
I use my Snowball and audacity for making audio recordings. I get custom requests for them too on C4S. You can also use audacity to remove the annoying "click" sounds we make when speaking sometimes. Some guys also like the sound of certain things...it doesn't allows have to be visual, their imagination does the rest.
addytoi
08-08-2018, 02:01 AM
I wish the transaction details page would automatically go back to the most recent month instead of being stuck on the last month that you viewed. More than once, I have gone to look at it because I had a really good call and freaked out thinking OMG where is my money only to realized that I am actually looking at a different month instead of the current month. Thankfully I usually realize it pretty quickly but even a few moments of that feeling is not good.
LolaLu
08-08-2018, 04:47 AM
I'm actually really looking forward to Sept. I'm saving up and will be taking August off next year.
I said this to my OH the other day - a whole month off. It's the busiest month for me, the hardest month to get on cam or phone and the lowest paying month for me too so it makes sense
Girly_Girl
08-08-2018, 07:17 AM
I added a video to my goodies for the first time on nf but I didn't allow preview but now I can't figure out how to get one to show ? I went back in and allowed preview but its still not showing? Is there a way to allow it after you've submitted it or am I just going to have delete it and start all over to get a preview to show?
BadBitch
08-08-2018, 05:44 PM
This site has been dead for me this month so far :(
Princesspoppy
08-09-2018, 11:43 AM
Hey Ladies
I have cammed on adult work for years and now want to start trying other cam sites too . I joined nite flirt a week ago now I recieved no calls all week. I only recieved a email from nite flirt to say I missed a call and I should email him to offer him a free 3 mins . Im so confused by it I have a feeling my profile is way at the bottom so dount can get seen any way . Do you have to pay to feature your self help me please how can I make money on there or is it just quiet
Thank you
MsMeta
08-09-2018, 11:47 AM
For those of you who have more than 3 accounts, how do you handle incoming calls? I guess what I'm asking is if it's possible to have a prepaid phone (or Google Voice) and use it to open the accounts but use your regular number to route the calls so you don't have to actually buy minutes for the phone or deal with the Voice system. I know you can add multiple phone numbers for work, home, cell but I wasn't sure if my regular number could be added onto those other accounts.
I'm sleep deprived and I'm not sure if this makes sense lol. I just have ideas for more characters so I can have others to focus on when some of my accounts get slow like they have this summer.
SylvySinclair
08-09-2018, 11:58 AM
If you dont bid to show up higher on the pages you wont get any calls. You need to bid at least 0.10. Make sure your listings look good also, with a nice template, high res pics and so on. good luck
Princesspoppy
08-09-2018, 12:15 PM
Thanks hun but how do I bid and do I need to up credits on there with my card as I have done on there
Princesspoppy
08-09-2018, 12:21 PM
Oh I just clicked on the be featured saw you can bid bit doesnt say if thats for the day or the hour it has no time or date so how do u know what slot your bidding for and how do u top up credits on there
addytoi
08-10-2018, 12:29 PM
For those of you who have more than 3 accounts, how do you handle incoming calls? I guess what I'm asking is if it's possible to have a prepaid phone (or Google Voice) and use it to open the accounts but use your regular number to route the calls so you don't have to actually buy minutes for the phone or deal with the Voice system. I know you can add multiple phone numbers for work, home, cell but I wasn't sure if my regular number could be added onto those other accounts.
I'm sleep deprived and I'm not sure if this makes sense lol. I just have ideas for more characters so I can have others to focus on when some of my accounts get slow like they have this summer.
I just tested it out and I get an error message saying the phone number can't be added because it is already associated with the maximum number of accounts. Have you looked into call forwarding from the prepaid phone or Google Voice. I am not sure how it would work with either of them specifically though.
ravenskyy
08-10-2018, 04:26 PM
Anyone have any recommendations for a free or budget friendly template site?
addytoi
08-10-2018, 05:36 PM
Oh I just clicked on the be featured saw you can bid bit doesnt say if thats for the day or the hour it has no time or date so how do u know what slot your bidding for and how do u top up credits on there
That amount is per click. My recommendation is try not to be #1. I bid to be on 2nd page and I do very nicely. Also set a limit on how much you spend on bids. If you need to add money to your account, you have to pay with a debit or credit card. I always try to keep $3 to $5 in my balance to be left in account after payout is deducted.
sarahlove
08-10-2018, 05:56 PM
For those of you who have more than 3 accounts, how do you handle incoming calls? I guess what I'm asking is if it's possible to have a prepaid phone (or Google Voice) and use it to open the accounts but use your regular number to route the calls so you don't have to actually buy minutes for the phone or deal with the Voice system. I know you can add multiple phone numbers for work, home, cell but I wasn't sure if my regular number could be added onto those other accounts.
I'm sleep deprived and I'm not sure if this makes sense lol. I just have ideas for more characters so I can have others to focus on when some of my accounts get slow like they have this summer.
I use google voice to take calls with no problem. Make sure when you set up the account that you go into to google voice settings and make sure they do not have the call preview setting on. This requires you to push a button to take a call but NF can't push a button so it just ends up hanging up if you do not pick this.
sarahlove
08-10-2018, 06:00 PM
Oh I just clicked on the be featured saw you can bid bit doesnt say if thats for the day or the hour it has no time or date so how do u know what slot your bidding for and how do u top up credits on there
It is per click. You can add money with a credit card or you can go to the payout section and leave a certain amount in the profile. I leave $10. I added money 5 years ago when I started and I have not added money since. Clicks (if you pay attention and set a budget) pay for themselves when you convert customers. Calls are not the only way to convert customers. You can convert them through
1. recorded listings
2. goodie bas
3. PTV ( on your profiles and mailed to the customer)
4. chat (my FAVORITE)
5. tributes
I have several profiles and every profile has this these things and some profiles have hundreds of goodies. The more you convert the customer the lower your bid will be.
sarahlove
08-10-2018, 06:06 PM
Hey Ladies
I have cammed on adult work for years and now want to start trying other cam sites too . I joined nite flirt a week ago now I recieved no calls all week. I only recieved a email from nite flirt to say I missed a call and I should email him to offer him a free 3 mins . Im so confused by it I have a feeling my profile is way at the bottom so dount can get seen any way . Do you have to pay to feature your self help me please how can I make money on there or is it just quiet
Thank you
I started NF with ten dollars. My first call was a cam call where the guy just wanted to watch my feet. I crossed and uncrossed my legs for an eternity and at the end I had $60. I bought content. Learned how to make goodie bags. Started several profiles ( I do therapy, Domination, and Findom calls) I just bought a car with phone sex money. Of course only like 5% of my work is calls now. Chat has changed EVERYTHING. I am working all the time now. But these poor horny toads think I am only talking to them and they are precious because my light is never on. If they want to talk on the phone they can try to catch me on the one day a week I am on for phone calls. Exclusive and special makes men want to spend money lol
I have been involved in real time Domination for over 20 years but I never got paid for it. In fact I don't do in person for safety but my experiences have guys calling back over and over. I go on field trips like local swingers clubs and tell them the things I see. (sometimes I just describe porn scenes) I love what I do. I see it is my chance to tell the world that sex is okay. I find that the more passion I feel the more money I make.
Enjoy Niteflirt!!
sarahlove
08-10-2018, 06:07 PM
I wish the transaction details page would automatically go back to the most recent month instead of being stuck on the last month that you viewed. More than once, I have gone to look at it because I had a really good call and freaked out thinking OMG where is my money only to realized that I am actually looking at a different month instead of the current month. Thankfully I usually realize it pretty quickly but even a few moments of that feeling is not good.
OMG I know right! Heart attack!
xxxGothBarbie
08-11-2018, 08:11 PM
I'm confused, so how do you girls find the custys you send ptv's or get to chat with you? Do they find you first or is there a way to find them?
addytoi
08-11-2018, 08:18 PM
I'm confused, so how do you girls find the custys you send ptv's or get to chat with you? Do they find you first or is there a way to find them?
They find you. Either by you bidding on NF or marketing outside of NF.
sarahlove
08-11-2018, 10:37 PM
I'm confused, so how do you girls find the custys you send ptv's or get to chat with you? Do they find you first or is there a way to find them?
I find that when I do some PTV's on my profile (example: get to know you quiz or voice sample or cute pic for like $.99) they like to see the quality of work you do. Then I send out e-mails to customers who have purchased (I keep track on different customer lists example: bought PTV, phone call, do not e-mail, customer over 1K etc) I am able to target my marketing. I don't send PTVs' to guys who call and I don't send free mins to guys to buy PTV's.
I also have a website were I put the Niteflirt Affiliate link along with MP3 teasers. That drives some Affiliate Traffic as well.
scarletl
08-13-2018, 05:13 PM
I'm at my wits end with NF and even somewhat thinking of ditching this as one of my eggs. Which I really don't want to do because deep down I love NF and wanted it to work for me.
I've been actively on NF full time for over a year now. Have over 1400 customers on my list with about 40% of the, being spenders and 10% of that being high spenders. I manage just the one account, which is under my real persona (femdom & findom). I have over 80 videos on there as goody bags. A good nicely designed profile with a ton of clickables ranging from $2-$10. I am in the UK so my times of logging on are from 11am- midnight UK time.I stay logged on the whole time, a good 5 days a week. I charge $2.99 a minute and sometimes drop to $1.99. I'm good at upselling, experienced in femdom and confident on the phones.
But for the love of god I cannot get this site to work for me. I make on average $750 a month on there. Which is nice but damn for the effort I put in, makes zero financial sense compared to what I could make with my efforts elsewhere. I am always updating my profile, I change up my pictures sometimes and listing headers. I send out weekly PTV emails (once-twice a week). I get about 1 call each day if I am lucky, when I drop my prices I still don't get many more calls to make it worth it. I barely get any chats. Just a random guy maybe once or twice a day.
I honestly don't know where I am going wrong. I bid on the first-second page so I am seen a fair bit. I have read through all the NF thread, implemented new things, tested out different prices and nothing seems to work.
I really feel like ditching the site altogether because it's really stressing me out not being able to figure out where or why I am going wrong.
So many other girls on the other forum are pulling $700+ a WEEK. I can just about get that a month with a ton of effort and hours put in.
LaurenAus
08-13-2018, 06:18 PM
When you say girls on other forum which one do you mean? Psotalk or niteflirt?
MsMeta
08-15-2018, 11:35 AM
I'm at my wits end with NF and even somewhat thinking of ditching this as one of my eggs. Which I really don't want to do because deep down I love NF and wanted it to work for me.
I've been actively on NF full time for over a year now. Have over 1400 customers on my list with about 40% of the, being spenders and 10% of that being high spenders. I manage just the one account, which is under my real persona (femdom & findom). I have over 80 videos on there as goody bags. A good nicely designed profile with a ton of clickables ranging from $2-$10. I am in the UK so my times of logging on are from 11am- midnight UK time.I stay logged on the whole time, a good 5 days a week. I charge $2.99 a minute and sometimes drop to $1.99. I'm good at upselling, experienced in femdom and confident on the phones.
But for the love of god I cannot get this site to work for me. I make on average $750 a month on there. Which is nice but damn for the effort I put in, makes zero financial sense compared to what I could make with my efforts elsewhere. I am always updating my profile, I change up my pictures sometimes and listing headers. I send out weekly PTV emails (once-twice a week). I get about 1 call each day if I am lucky, when I drop my prices I still don't get many more calls to make it worth it. I barely get any chats. Just a random guy maybe once or twice a day.
I honestly don't know where I am going wrong. I bid on the first-second page so I am seen a fair bit. I have read through all the NF thread, implemented new things, tested out different prices and nothing seems to work.
I really feel like ditching the site altogether because it's really stressing me out not being able to figure out where or why I am going wrong.
So many other girls on the other forum are pulling $700+ a WEEK. I can just about get that a month with a ton of effort and hours put in.
I'm not sure what to tell you because it sounds like you're doing everything exactly right! Has it always been this way for you on NF or just recently? I know I was one of those $700+ a week girls (usually much more). Now if I have a REALLY good week I'll make $700 - and that's staying logged in with different characters for a total of 12 or more hours a day. No one's even interested in my goodies or PTVs anymore; I don't even get clicked much. I've been attributing it to summer because it seemed to happen pretty suddenly in June. I know there are some ladies here that haven't been affected by the lack of traffic but I'm not one of them. I'm just hoping it starts to pick up again soon and I can go back to the numbers I was hitting a few months ago lol.
BadBitch
08-15-2018, 11:37 AM
I haven't been on NF much this month. But, when I do log in, I have noticed a major slow down. I'm really hoping that that is due to it being August. Most men are on vacation with their families. Fingers crossed that it will pick up in September!
Serena113
08-15-2018, 01:42 PM
I seriously hate it when guys call in who are inhibited and don’t really know what they want. And those one usually haven’t bothered to read the listing they call or take note of anything I say in my recorded listing. I’m not a freaking psychic. And those are most of the calls I’ve been getting lately. /end rant.
I know there was something referring to that kind of caller earlier in this thread, but I can’t find it atm. Anyone have any strategies for dealing with guys like that?
LaylaLovely
08-15-2018, 01:58 PM
I always start all calls with "hi how are you so what are you into any fetishes role plays any special requests or you just wanna see me get naked? Most will be upfront Im into such n such fetish or roleplay and if they jump into yea I def wanna see you naked then I know it's gonna be vanilla call and go from their
Serena113
08-15-2018, 03:18 PM
I always start all calls with "hi how are you so what are you into any fetishes role plays any special requests or you just wanna see me get naked? Most will be upfront Im into such n such fetish or roleplay and if they jump into yea I def wanna see you naked then I know it's gonna be vanilla call and go from their
That's the problem. The convos will go something like this after I greet them and ask how they're doing:
Me: So what's on your mind?
Them: Uhhh... I dunno.
Me: Oh yeah? I think you're feeling a little naughty. Are you horny, babe?
Them: Ummm, maybe. I guess.
Me: If I were right in front of you, what would you want to happen?/What gets you horny, babe?
Them: I dunno.
If they say yes to the first question, I ask some probing questions to get them to tell me their turn ons. My approach hasn't changed at all, and used to work just fine, but the last week and a half have been a lot of really frustrating convos like this. I've even had one who asked my turn-ons after starting the convo like this, then told me those couldn't possibly be my real turn ons and started getting argumentative (I wasn't lying, so I got annoyed and told him to have a nice day and to find a better fit for him). I've started blocking guys like this because they really get on my nerves and put a damper on my mood, especially when I have a slow week and half of the calls I get are like this.
Is this just a summertime thing? Or a fluke? Nothing has changed--not my listings or my approach to callers, so I'm frustrated and confused. I don't understand why they even bother calling.
kortneykay
08-16-2018, 01:10 AM
Wrong thread- edit. I've worked on NF this week but wish I had hustled on it more. I'll see what tomorrow brings and Friday.
sarahlove
08-16-2018, 07:09 PM
That's the problem. The convos will go something like this after I greet them and ask how they're doing:
Me: So what's on your mind?
Them: Uhhh... I dunno.
Me: Oh yeah? I think you're feeling a little naughty. Are you horny, babe?
Them: Ummm, maybe. I guess.
Me: If I were right in front of you, what would you want to happen?/What gets you horny, babe?
Them: I dunno.
If they say yes to the first question, I ask some probing questions to get them to tell me their turn ons. My approach hasn't changed at all, and used to work just fine, but the last week and a half have been a lot of really frustrating convos like this. I've even had one who asked my turn-ons after starting the convo like this, then told me those couldn't possibly be my real turn ons and started getting argumentative (I wasn't lying, so I got annoyed and told him to have a nice day and to find a better fit for him). I've started blocking guys like this because they really get on my nerves and put a damper on my mood, especially when I have a slow week and half of the calls I get are like this.
Is this just a summertime thing? Or a fluke? Nothing has changed--not my listings or my approach to callers, so I'm frustrated and confused. I don't understand why they even bother calling.
I never go to sex right away. The other night I had a 2 hour conversation about the history channel and the different shows that were available. I let them lead me to the sex conversations.. I am just an innocent lady doing yoga.
Serena113
08-18-2018, 02:56 AM
I never go to sex right away. The other night I had a 2 hour conversation about the history channel and the different shows that were available. I let them lead me to the sex conversations.. I am just an innocent lady doing yoga.
Hmm. Obviously that works well for you, but it sounds incredibly draining to me. I would hate that, and so would most of my repeat customers. I don’t want to get to know these guys or make small talk. Once I know what they want I can draw out the call, but I don’t like the GFE get-to-know-you stuff. I think that spate of weirdos last week was just a fluke, but I had some other issues with NF last week and am about ready to drop NF altogether unless things change fairly quickly. (Had calls coming in when I was “Away - Not taking calls,” and that status was clearly showing on my dashboard. Not worth the hassle for a side egg.)
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-18-2018, 07:31 AM
Hmm. Obviously that works well for you, but it sounds incredibly draining to me. I would hate that, and so would most of my repeat customers. I don’t want to get to know these guys or make small talk. Once I know what they want I can draw out the call, but I don’t like the GFE get-to-know-you stuff. I think that spate of weirdos last week was just a fluke, but I had some other issues with NF last week and am about ready to drop NF altogether unless things change fairly quickly. (Had calls coming in when I was “Away - Not taking calls,” and that status was clearly showing on my dashboard. Not worth the hassle for a side egg.)
It sounds like you may be a little burned out and could use a break? It happens. Or just focus on customer retention if you aren't able to make new conversions. From my experience getting to know your customer isn't equivalent to being a GFE performer. No matter what the niche or mode of communication (phone, cam, clips, audio) you're gonna need to find a way to communicate with the customer in order to get what you want and provide a service at the same time. I just remind myself that first and foremost these are men with boners, and clearly not the best communicators. It is exhausting at times and that's when I decide to take a break and change things up.
I've tried working on new platforms in the past and it didn't go well the first time around. But when I tried again a year later it became my main venture, until it wasn't. Everything changes. More eggs more baskets. I think we all know that by now, right?
Niteflirt I think it was dead my first two weeks and then I was off and running. This was a long time ago when things were a bit different (not that much) and I had worked for two dispatch companies prior. By the time my phone started ringing I was already skilled at giving "good phone" and knowing how to get them to open up. The phone sex companies I worked before Niteflirt, monitored the calls and would step in frequently to either offer encouragement, pointers or just straight up disrespectful commentary. Tony from The Boulevard, anyone? I learned how to work those systems and make the most while collecting a call base. I think I worked for those companies for about a year before going off on my own. Many of those people have been at it for years and have way more than 1400 customers on their list. And they have most likely started with a similar background to mine.
I'm only writing this for those who are scratching your heads wondering why you aren't having immediate success and making tons of money.
"So many other girls on the other forum are pulling $700+ a WEEK. I can just about get that a month with a ton of effort and hours put in." -Scarlet
I've given it some thought and I think that is the missing part of the puzzle that many are searching for. You're competing with very savvy people who've put in a lot of time sharpening their skills and working their customer list. But often times people don't say that and instead make it appear as though its super easy. This goes for talking on the phone, camming, creating downloads etc. It takes time to build up to high numbers. And if you're still having a hard time pulling it together, that's okay. You may just need to take a step back and focus on something else for awhile.
MsMeta
08-19-2018, 11:10 AM
In addition to it being incredibly slow this month I've had a bunch of freebie requests, four guys demanding I meet them offline and THREE negative feedbacks just this week (the closest I received before this was one 4-star). If I delete the listings they are on will customers still be able to see them? Luckily they are less popular listings so I wouldn't be losing much.
If I did not worry about them hurting my bottom line I would laugh about the feedback they left. The first one was a guy who I spoke to for nearly an hour, he seemed to be really enjoying it (denial, ruined orgasm) and then he hung up on me and left feedback that said "Never again. Horrible." Then there's the guy who came in less than 3 minutes, told me to send him nude pics and he'd call again. He sent me an email afterwards saying it was great and he couldn't wait to see my pics; I sent back a thank you and linked him to some of my goodies I thought he'd like - he left me one star saying I was lazy and didn't care about my customers. A couple days after that I talked to another guy who was giving me one word answers to questions so I did my go-to stuff for that listing (innocent schoolgirl - it's a big hit usually). He hung up after about 10 minutes and left a single star with "She didn't know what I wanted."
I wish we were able to respond to the feedback - or better yet, leave feedback for the customer. If I had been rude to them or distracted or something I would completely understand why I received bad feedback but honestly I have no idea why these guys were so unhappy. Yeah I get why the free pic guy was pissed but I don't think he should be able to complain that he didn't get free nude pics (he was smart enough not to put in writing so I can't have it deleted).
Sorry but I just had to vent. It's been a rough month lol.
scarletl
08-19-2018, 11:47 AM
It sounds like you may be a little burned out and could use a break? It happens. Or just focus on customer retention if you aren't able to make new conversions. From my experience getting to know your customer isn't equivalent to being a GFE performer. No matter what the niche or mode of communication (phone, cam, clips, audio) you're gonna need to find a way to communicate with the customer in order to get what you want and provide a service at the same time. I just remind myself that first and foremost these are men with boners, and clearly not the best communicators. It is exhausting at times and that's when I decide to take a break and change things up.
I've tried working on new platforms in the past and it didn't go well the first time around. But when I tried again a year later it became my main venture, until it wasn't. Everything changes. More eggs more baskets. I think we all know that by now, right?
Niteflirt I think it was dead my first two weeks and then I was off and running. This was a long time ago when things were a bit different (not that much) and I had worked for two dispatch companies prior. By the time my phone started ringing I was already skilled at giving "good phone" and knowing how to get them to open up. The phone sex companies I worked before Niteflirt, monitored the calls and would step in frequently to either offer encouragement, pointers or just straight up disrespectful commentary. Tony from The Boulevard, anyone? I learned how to work those systems and make the most while collecting a call base. I think I worked for those companies for about a year before going off on my own. Many of those people have been at it for years and have way more than 1400 customers on their list. And they have most likely started with a similar background to mine.
I'm only writing this for those who are scratching your heads wondering why you aren't having immediate success and making tons of money.
"So many other girls on the other forum are pulling $700+ a WEEK. I can just about get that a month with a ton of effort and hours put in." -Scarlet
I've given it some thought and I think that is the missing part of the puzzle that many are searching for. You're competing with very savvy people who've put in a lot of time sharpening their skills and working their customer list. But often times people don't say that and instead make it appear as though its super easy. This goes for talking on the phone, camming, creating downloads etc. It takes time to build up to high numbers. And if you're still having a hard time pulling it together, that's okay. You may just need to take a step back and focus on something else for awhile.
I am much like Serena, I'm not really into sitting on the phone for over an hour chatting about anything. I know to many girls this is easy money but for me this isn't easy money and I agree with her that's draining as hell. For me when I take a call, I am there to give them their fantasy, whatever that may be.
I want them to call me, be open about the things they are into so I can then do my job.
These guys who call who don't know what the hell they want, I don't have time for and won't entertain them at all. It's like their playing some silly game, that I won't play along with. I do femdom so for me it's much easier to be a bitch to them if they aren't playing ball with me.
When you say about girls saying they earn x amount per week and don't reveal how they do it or how much work that goes into it. I agree that goes on allot.
However I am one of those girls who is and has been for a year now, doing the ins and outs of every little detail to make NF work for me.
I send regular 2-3 times a week PTV mails in different price ranges.
I have my customer lists divided up so I know what types of customers to send what type of PTV mails to.
Every customer who favorites me I have a lovely designed email template I send them with upsells, same for those who buy their first video.
I have 200+ 5 star feedback.
I charge $2.50-$2.99 per minute price range
I am logged on 5-6 days a week for 8+ hours a day.
I have over 70 odd goody bags and many games and clickables on my profile
I am a graphic designer so my listings do look good and presentable
I write notes after the call so I can build a report next time they call
I bid so I am top 12 in my category each time I am on
I do only have one main femdom profile
I've been on NF for years but only properly been at it since last April and full time in October last year.
Honestly, I believe this to be an incredible amount of work and detail I put into this. This damn website gets more of my time and attention to detail than any other website I am on. I really wanted it to work but I just don't see it happening at all.
I only seem to get about 4-6 calls per week. Most of them hear my accent and hang up (I am British)
I still can't figure out where I'm going wrong or if I am going wrong. Perhaps for some weird reason this site just isn't for me.
I would love it to be me going wrong so I could fix it but I just can't see where. I did try lowering my prices (reluctantly) but still didn't see a call increase.
Plus I pay a fair amount for bidding it didn't seem to weigh up very well.
It's just one of these sites where one month a findom guy comes along spends shit ton of money and goes. That happens about 2-3 times a year and those months I will make $1500+ a month
Paradoxx
08-19-2018, 03:31 PM
I am much like Serena, I'm not really into sitting on the phone for over an hour chatting about anything. I know to many girls this is easy money but for me this isn't easy money and I agree with her that's draining as hell. For me when I take a call, I am there to give them their fantasy, whatever that may be.
I want them to call me, be open about the things they are into so I can then do my job.
These guys who call who don't know what the hell they want, I don't have time for and won't entertain them at all. It's like their playing some silly game, that I won't play along with. I do femdom so for me it's much easier to be a bitch to them if they aren't playing ball with me.
When you say about girls saying they earn x amount per week and don't reveal how they do it or how much work that goes into it. I agree that goes on allot.
However I am one of those girls who is and has been for a year now, doing the ins and outs of every little detail to make NF work for me.
I send regular 2-3 times a week PTV mails in different price ranges.
I have my customer lists divided up so I know what types of customers to send what type of PTV mails to.
Every customer who favorites me I have a lovely designed email template I send them with upsells, same for those who buy their first video.
I have 200+ 5 star feedback.
I charge $2.50-$2.99 per minute price range
I am logged on 5-6 days a week for 8+ hours a day.
I have over 70 odd goody bags and many games and clickables on my profile
I am a graphic designer so my listings do look good and presentable
I write notes after the call so I can build a report next time they call
I bid so I am top 12 in my category each time I am on
I do only have one main femdom profile
I've been on NF for years but only properly been at it since last April and full time in October last year.
Honestly, I believe this to be an incredible amount of work and detail I put into this. This damn website gets more of my time and attention to detail than any other website I am on. I really wanted it to work but I just don't see it happening at all.
I only seem to get about 4-6 calls per week. Most of them hear my accent and hang up (I am British)
I still can't figure out where I'm going wrong or if I am going wrong. Perhaps for some weird reason this site just isn't for me.
I would love it to be me going wrong so I could fix it but I just can't see where. I did try lowering my prices (reluctantly) but still didn't see a call increase.
Plus I pay a fair amount for bidding it didn't seem to weigh up very well.
It's just one of these sites where one month a findom guy comes along spends shit ton of money and goes. That happens about 2-3 times a year and those months I will make $1500+ a month
The direction I'm looking to take my NF business in is PTV's.
I know you mentioned having some clickables readily available on your listings, but are they good? And I don't mean that disrespectfully, like are they really fucking enticing? Because I can tell you, I had no idea the earning potential behind PTV games until I read about a girl on the NF forum who makes between $5-7k/month from mostly PTV games alone. And so I reached out to her for some pointers and it turned out my "games" were tanking because they weren't interesting at all.
Do yours include audio? I added audio clips to a game I had made about 2 months prior that literally brought me in like, $6 within those 2 months lol, and it legitimately made me $200 the exact night I updated it with audio files. I would have chalked it up to luck if it wasn't also re-purchased to the end by a guy who only played the first two levels the first time. :)
Do yours include gifs or sexy teaser pics? Does the wording make the listener/reader want to click on and get more? Do they have multiple levels?
There's a ton of money to be made on this site passively (aka without having to deal directly with whiny, wishy-washy men), I really do believe that. If you'd like, I can give you the name of the girl who I consulted with via PM; I paid her to really work one-on-one with her on PTV strategies, but she often answers questions for free so this isn't some sneaky promotion or something lmao.
Chat has also made my job a hell of a lot easier this summer. The past few months have blown and I'm insanely excited for September, but being able to communicate via text as opposed to taking calls has been awesome, plus it gives me a lot of opportunities to up-sell and I don't even have half as many goodies available as you do, so that could also really help your business flourish without wiping you out.
scarletl
08-19-2018, 04:04 PM
The direction I'm looking to take my NF business in is PTV's.
I know you mentioned having some clickables readily available on your listings, but are they good? And I don't mean that disrespectfully, like are they really fucking enticing? Because I can tell you, I had no idea the earning potential behind PTV games until I read about a girl on the NF forum who makes between $5-7k/month from mostly PTV games alone. And so I reached out to her for some pointers and it turned out my "games" were tanking because they weren't interesting at all.
Do yours include audio? I added audio clips to a game I had made about 2 months prior that literally brought me in like, $6 within those 2 months lol, and it legitimately made me $200 the exact night I updated it with audio files. I would have chalked it up to luck if it wasn't also re-purchased to the end by a guy who only played the first two levels the first time. :)
Do yours include gifs or sexy teaser pics? Does the wording make the listener/reader want to click on and get more? Do they have multiple levels?
There's a ton of money to be made on this site passively (aka without having to deal directly with whiny, wishy-washy men), I really do believe that. If you'd like, I can give you the name of the girl who I consulted with via PM; I paid her to really work one-on-one with her on PTV strategies, but she often answers questions for free so this isn't some sneaky promotion or something lmao.
Chat has also made my job a hell of a lot easier this summer. The past few months have blown and I'm insanely excited for September, but being able to communicate via text as opposed to taking calls has been awesome, plus it gives me a lot of opportunities to up-sell and I don't even have half as many goodies available as you do, so that could also really help your business flourish without wiping you out.
Knowing whether my own PTV games are good or not is a tough one lol. Obviously I made them so a part of me thinks yeah, they are good. The self critical side of me thinks but are they really that good!? It's hard to know unless I had some feedback I guess.
In terms of feedback from purchases, guys play my games but to be honest not a great deal so maybe that is my feedback right there.
My games don't include any audio, gifs or pictures. But they do lead onto levels but only upto 3 levels.
I have upsells on everything else but I never really paid too much attention to my games.
I will drop you a PM x
Paradoxx
08-19-2018, 04:52 PM
My games don't include any audio, gifs or pictures. But they do lead onto levels but only upto 3 levels.
I can automatically tell you that of and within itself is the issue with your games. Even as Dommes, we have to entice the men to spend and it honestly doesn't take much to achieve that.
The game that brought me in the quick $200 only had audio - no photos of me whatsoever - but it also has about sixteen possible clicks (four of which have different outcomes). And the game I created after that included gifs AND audio and has brought me in A LOT thus far. First night it went live, I made $400 from it alone. It has 9 clicks, but I'm honestly considering making it even longer.
PTV's might seem really tedious, but they ultimately pay off in the end with the right enhancements. And from what I've seen, men aren't really picky, they just want to hear your voice and have a little visual stimuli and that's enough to keep them clicking on. I like to think of them as just clips cut up into little fragments and put in the same amount of effort with them in that regard.