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Bitch
08-15-2013, 08:49 PM
Oh so thats why blacks get treated like crap because we treat other races like crap? LMAO ok girl. Again this is why non blacks need to stop commenting on the african american experience because bs like this gets said. EVERY time a black girl on here says something about racism in the industry, theres a stampede of non blacks that come in saying "ohhh no girl its not because your black, its because your not working hard enough, confidence etc etc" Like get the fuck outta here.

I'm a white person. I understand that I don't understand and there's no way for me to understand the life and experiences of a black person. I try desperately to keep my privilege in check, especially when talking about sensitive topics such as this. And therefore, I have nothing to say except that you're being extremely rude and this kind of behavior is uncalled for. Ain't no one attacking you here, why you pouncin' girl?

ABigNerd
08-15-2013, 08:56 PM
I'm bummed because this could have been a fascinating open discussion about the very real effects of racism in the cam world. Instead it's a bumble fuck of personal insults, and it's going to be locked. I want to say before that happens that I perved some more and there is in fact a lovely dark skinned bbw who's up there with the big names and porn stars (in offline placement which is the best indicator I think). Keep your chin up Mimi! You're gorgeous, and kind, and good things will come to you in time.

Shiney
08-15-2013, 09:04 PM
Sorry;long post warning

I do not think this thread goes out of hand and leading to nothing.
Why can't we talk about colourism/shadism isuess?
There seem such a taboo about this,everywhere on the internet I see the same reactions.
And this is not just racism as some of u confuse it with, personally I see this as an form of racism WITHIN the black community,worldwide.

There's a difference between denying something and then saying you are overreacting,or it's your own fault,
Or saying ok it does exist,it is a serious matter BUT how does it reflect to your own personal situation and hustle?Or better do you LET
it effect you?

I don't know about affiliates these are indvidual people,so some might apply favorism on their white label sites,I don't know. Most top girls aren't even pornstars
on SM,am I right?(regardless of their race)
But general speaking I just think that the more privates you have the higher placement on SM. There are some threads here about SM and their support is not on point etc ,so I doubt they even have a team sitting there selecting girls on skine tone and size. Maybe it even depends in which country you are and your IP;maybe if I fly to Colombia or South-africa I see all the colombian ebonies/south-african ebonies on the first page..


To those who are wondering how SM could rig the site to favor light skin black models over dark skin black models well....SM wouldn't be the one's rigging the site society would.
Yes,society plays a big role in it.Personally I do not believe in ONE standard of beauty btw,I just don't.
There are guys who secretly adore dark black women,but would never date one openly,because they are affraid of what people
in society are going to say or think about them.So he would openly choose the one everybody accepts.
In this situation it can be an advantage to be a dark camgirl on the interwebs.


who is to say that the girls in a low placement aren't making a killing of money on the site.
Agreed 100% Some girls bank silently


Black girls who are lighter skinned are typically mixed race, North African (like Ethiopian), or Caribbean for example.
Not all light skinned black people are mixed and alot of caribbean peope are not light skinned. Some are, but I have a Caribbean/south-american background for and I'm def not,lol. Depends more on the region, island,family history etc. In general Caribbean people are very diverse in what I see around me.
On the whole african continent there are groups of people with a medium to lighter complexion,who are not mixed with white. And 'european' facial features can be found in all regions and skine tones througout africa.


How many black british girls are there on Streamate? I agree,the majority of camgirls on SM are from the US,so seeing a black british camgirl stands out I guess.
Once I saw a black french girl on SM her room was pretty full and she was on the first page.I also know this black camgirl from Belgium
and she originates from the same country as I do and she is always on the first page when she's working. I love to see more
european black camgirls on SM by the way. When I was on SM I cannot count how many times guys said or asked 'I didn't know there
are black people in Holland blabla'

Race-fetishism??
Maybe off topic but I don't have a problem at all with being a race fetish for white men,or other races for that matter.I know some black people don't like that idea or feel uncomfortable about it, but I personally don't care. I don't do raceplay though that IS one step too far for me personally,but I don't knock anybody who does this. BEING a 'fetish' itself just because Im a dark black girl has made me money and will continue to make me money that's all I care for at the moment.(Imo,If you are a dark skinned woman AND a BBW too and know your business,you can really bank)


is that site a majority white site or black? If its majority black or young thuggish types, then yes I can totally see how being light skinned/dark skinned could make a big difference. But when it comes to white men they are alot less colorstruck.There are a few that only like the mixed or mixed looking girls, but alot of them dig chocolate skin especially the foreign guys.
Well said.

Even though I do not 'SEE' The things the OP Mimi sees. I still understands where her (fear/suspicion?) originates from. 2 words
shadism and colourism (coming from both slavery and colonialism) and because we talking about females,and dark skin males are totally spared when it
comes to shade and colour preference, maybe sexism too. So instead of denying that those dynamics exist in society/black community, just be realistic and accept it and do the best you can do for yourself. Too much focus on that is never good for business. But I also do not believe in acting like something doesn't exist and ignoring it totally. Nobody can be 100% jelly and happy all the time, maybe she had a bad day and made this thread topic out of frustration, who knows? Some reactions here are somewhat rude and blatant to be honest.I understand race,race related topics,standards of beauty etc are always controversial subjects.People tend to get very dramatic about it, fast
That still doesn't mean that we can not talk about this or adress it.I'm not the kind of person to think about my race all the time because im more then just my race.But through the 2 years reading this forum I read countless threads about incest,rape,BBW issues and other controversial things so whats wrong with this thread,as long as it is good and civil discussion I don't see nothing nonsens about this.


The last thing I want to say is that I became more race conscious because of camming on SM, americans seem to be so obsessed with race in my experience. In the Netherlands you ar judged on your nationality being dutch or foreign so to speak, so black,asians arabs etc are all 'equally' judged, so to speak. Europeans can be racist too of course, but they are also more open-minded. Again,my opinion.And I love my american admirers and custies btw:)

Sorry for the long post I felt bored.::)

Shiney
08-15-2013, 09:06 PM
WOW! was busy makin my post and in the meanwhile this thread really turned in a real drama fest.
Too bad:( I'm outta here,said my things
ciao

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 09:13 PM
Like get the fuck outta here. I think you need to eat your own words , coming from me, with hugs, motherfucking kisses, unicorns jumping rainbows, weed smoking, 40 drinking , food stamp receiving , only fucks black men bc I popped a black bitch out of my motherfucking pussy.
Dont you dare say we dont know what it is like to be judged so yeah GTFOH with your negative motherfucking ass.

Sorry for the thread jack guys.

This really could have been a informative thread
Vent over

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 09:14 PM
joining ya homie
WOW! was busy makin my post and in the meanwhile this thread really turned in a real drama fest.
Too bad:( I'm outta here,said my things
ciao

vixenluv
08-15-2013, 09:14 PM
Did I say ALL blacks? Please reread my post. You are not good enough nor qualified to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't, what they can or can't comment. 'Like get the fuck outta here'??? Oh, that's nice! I'm sure a lot of us non-black girls have been told worst by better, much better!
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/tumblr_llmzfdn6fN1qdlkgg_zpsc5d57939.gif (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/melaniamai/media/tumblr_llmzfdn6fN1qdlkgg_zpsc5d57939.gif.html)

WTF are you even talking about? Actually dont answer because I really dont care. Id rather not waste another moment of my life reading your drivel. Bye!


vixen!! wow you made me speechless! Seriously WOW! why do you have so much negativity? Your words like acid! WOW!
And how dare you talk about Kortney like that? When she is a beautiful chocolate skinned lady too???????????????????????
And all she did was being nice and understanding with Mimi?

And what do you mean a white person wouldnt understand the black issues?
What about emphaty huh?

I am white but Ihave a fat ass and no not because I eat junk food 24/7! In the near future I will need serious treatment sessions which include huge doses of hormones to be able to actuall fix that! So yeah people judge me because of something that is not my fault. People judged me because I am from eastern europe! Which is also not my fault and I could never change it no matter how hard I try. Because it is impossible!
After these I still tried to stay positive and I am still a fucking believer that there will be a world one day where judgement will be a huge NONO and noone will have to feel judged based on race, religion, age, built whatever.
My mom used to say that we are all came from a CUNT! And it is harsh it is rude but it is damn true.
And the blood in our veins are RED!
So what if we forget about stupid human jedgements and try to be the person who we supposed to be?

And yeah judge me english is not my native language! Booo for typos.

And GlamourRouge! Thank for that amazing article! <3


Thats sad, but what does it have to do with this convo AT ALL?! *sigh* How about if you dont like what I have to say put me on ignore? You and that flea quoted above are close to being on mine.

Bitch
08-15-2013, 09:18 PM
WTF are you even talking about? Actually dont answer because I really dont care. Id rather not waste another moment of my life reading your drivel. Bye!




Thats sad, but what does it have to do with this convo AT ALL?! *sigh* How about if you dont like what I have to say put me on ignore? You and that flea quoted above are close to being on mine.


I just joined today, which means I read the Terms and Conditions today. I'm pretty sure being belligerent and hateful was one of the no-no's. I would clean my act up, were I you and wishing to remain a member of SW.

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:18 PM
vixen I wont put you on ignore because I wanna understand you!
Sad? What does it have to do with the convo?

You know what the sad thing is that you dont get it!
I just dont get it why do you have to be so damn rude?
And why cant you be openminded! Like get rid off the blindfolds and understand that you reaction just proves that there is a legitimate reason of existing stereotypes.

Edit: Oh and I could say really mean things but as an open minded filled with empathy person I rather not argue.

And I re-read the things I posted I hope I didnt hurt anyone with my thoughts. If so I am sorry it was unintentional.

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 09:20 PM
oh , well, damn, welcome aboard :)

This is just a occasional thing, most of us are nice :)
I just joined today, which means I just read the Terms and Conditions today. I'm pretty sure being belligerent and hateful was one of the no-no's. I would clean my act up, were I you and wishing to remain a member of SW.

vixenluv
08-15-2013, 09:20 PM
I'm a white person. I understand that I don't understand and there's no way for me to understand the life and experiences of a black person. I try desperately to keep my privilege in check, especially when talking about sensitive topics such as this. And therefore, I have nothing to say except that you're being extremely rude and this kind of behavior is uncalled for. Ain't no one attacking you here, why you pouncin' girl?

oh well. like i said this happens every time black girls bring up racism on this site and im tired of it. if you dont like it too bad.


I think you need to eat your own words , coming from me, with hugs, motherfucking kisses, unicorns jumping rainbows, weed smoking, 40 drinking , food stamp receiving , only fucks black men bc I popped a black bitch out of my motherfucking pussy.
Dont you dare say we dont know what it is like to be judged so yeah GTFOH with your negative motherfucking ass.

Sorry for the thread jack guys.

This really could have been a informative thread
Vent over

bitch i dont give a fuck about you or what comes in or out of your wretched pussy. like i said if you dont like it join the other butthurt bitches and ignore all my posts from here on out. i promise i wont be hurt.

Bitch
08-15-2013, 09:22 PM
oh , well, damn, welcome aboard :)

This is just a occasional thing, most of us are nice :)

Thanks! I'm actually a vet lurker, and I've already cultivated a deep respect (and several girl crushes) for the fabulous ladies of SW. Keep doin' whatcha do!

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:24 PM
Thanks! I'm actually a vet lurker, and I've already cultivated a deep respect (and several girl crushes) for the fabulous ladies of SW. Keep doin' whatcha do!
First of all welcome love! and sorry you had to see this! It is an amazing place to meet new friends and share experiences and I have to say YOU R GORGEOUS! <3

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 09:24 PM
I am profiling you as a ratchet project hoe , stuck in the mind set of pure ignorance and bliss.

I bet you are a southern chick? Most black girls from the south have a mental issue when uneducated
oh well. like i said this happens every time black girls bring up racism on this site and im tired of it. if you dont like it too bad.



bitch i dont give a fuck about you or what comes in or out of your wretched pussy. like i said if you dont like it join the other butthurt bitches and ignore all my posts from here on out. i promise i wont be hurt.

Bitch
08-15-2013, 09:25 PM
First of all welcome love! and sorry you had to see this! It is an amazing place to meet new friends and share experiences and I have to say YOU R GORGEOUS! <3

You're so sweet! I hope to make many friends here, and I can tell you'll be one of them. :)

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 09:27 PM
oh well. like i said this happens every time black girls bring up racism on this site and im tired of it. if you dont like it too bad.



bitch i dont give a fuck about you or what comes in or out of your wretched pussy. like i said if you dont like it join the other butthurt bitches and ignore all my posts from here on out. i promise i wont be hurt. I hope your bb dont turn out like this, ignorant :)

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:31 PM
you will do great girl! <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 and thank youuu :)

Blovely
08-15-2013, 09:31 PM
This could have been a fascinating open discussion about the very real effects of racism in the cam world.


I do not think this thread goes out of hand and leading to nothing.
Why can't we talk about colourism/shadism isuess?

@ the bold
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa0wt1Cb71qerfb9o1_500.gif



I am doing the below to how this thread turned out.
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k574/JexThread/smh2jl5l-1.gif

Blovely
08-15-2013, 09:46 PM
When she is a beautiful chocolate skinned lady too???????????????????????


Ummm just to let you and anyone else who may not be familiar with how black skin tones go Kortney isn't chocolate toned. She's light skin.

7-10 is light-meduim skin. 11-15 is brown/dark/chocolate skin.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4502943115_a129a46b28_o.png

Marina Starr
08-15-2013, 09:48 PM
I hope her smile rubs off :)
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu240/minako86/oprahgif.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/minako86/media/oprahgif.gif.html)


this girl smiles tho bb :)

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:49 PM
Thank you so much I have learnt something new today but I really hope you know what I meant! And this was not the point!

Btw gosh I am soo pale I am the number one coloured. But I cant do a thing about it i tried to go to the tanning salon and after 2 mins I got burnt! After 2 damn minutes!:(((((((((((((((((
Anyway I have to accept it I will always look like I am sick or something. It is even worse in the winter. gooosh:(

Blovely
08-15-2013, 09:52 PM
Thank you so much I have learnt something new today but I really hope you know what I meant! And this was not the point!

Btw gosh I am soo pale I am the number one coloured. But I cant do a thing about it i tried to go to the tanning salon and after 2 mins I got burnt! After 2 damn minutes!:(((((((((((((((((
Anyway I have to accept it I will always look like I am sick or something. It is even worse in the winter. gooosh:(

Lmao. Yes I know what you meant. I was just letting you know.

Marina Starr
08-15-2013, 09:53 PM
Black, White, Asian, Polynesian, Indian, Japanese-Haitian whatever... We're all pink on the inside!
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/amen_zps1c3738ad.gif (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/melaniamai/media/amen_zps1c3738ad.gif.html)

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:55 PM
Thank you actually I am glad you posted that picture. It is really interesting to see it like this. But goshhh I am soo pale:((((
I know I should try spray tan but knowing how luck i am i will be orange. Or look like a character from Jersey shore I dont want that lol.
But it would be great to have a colour plus because I am bbw my body would desperately need some colour to hide certain things lol:)

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 09:56 PM
yaaaaaayyyyyyyyy Pink is the prettiest colour:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Blovely
08-15-2013, 10:14 PM
Thank you actually I am glad you posted that picture. It is really interesting to see it like this. But goshhh I am soo pale:((((
I know I should try spray tan but knowing how luck i am i will be orange. Or look like a character from Jersey shore I dont want that lol.
But it would be great to have a colour plus because I am bbw my body would desperately need some colour to hide certain things lol:)
Girl stop it your are making me laugh so dam hard. Most of those guys and girls for that matter from JS look like leather. They tan like all the time and probably will end up with skin cancer. I remember this kid in high school used tanning lotion. He came into school looking like an umpa lumpa (dunna if you've seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cxJHR3703Xo/UAY7C7mwlxI/AAAAAAAAaxY/aii_Ys_ur3s/s400/Oompa+Loompa+umpa+lumpa.jpg
Everyone was staring at him like what happened. He was like shut up I used tanning lotion. It was so hilarious. I say just accept your skin tone. If anything maybe try body bronzer.

Nocturnelle
08-15-2013, 10:44 PM
34716

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 10:50 PM
:PPPPP But see? The minute I ve learnt to laugh at myself lol helped:)
btw lol those umpa lumpas:PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
I tried to bronzing lotions too ahmm thank gosh i didnt try it on my face lol:PPPPPPPPPPPPPP It is just i dunno how to apply it not to miss a spot and ohhh whatever:PPPPPPP Im destined to stay pale:) Maybe I should really dye my hairr back to raven black. It was so cool i literally told anyone that im a vampire and since i am an evening person i lioterally go out only when the sun goes down some of the completely believed it. And it lookd so cool with me black hairl pale face black eyeliner big blue yes and bright red lipstck:P yummm:PPPP

Blovely
08-15-2013, 10:57 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/833b437912a72c685f6784d97f7fe485/tumblr_mqbexu5yGg1srrq7yo1_500.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mczyf5sQFq1rq5hnqo1_500.gif

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m91fzvWiyu1rruvux.gif

I can't, I just can't. I am dying over here. Especially at you telling people that your a vampire.

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 11:03 PM
i have a picture to prove LOL:P the last time i had dark hair was back in 2007. And i was working in a studio back then and somehow i thought the best way to take a picture of me is if i take a snapshot of me on my cell and then take a snapshot of the cell showing my picture:P
And its weird but hey vampires look weird right? :P
http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p505/EPhemeronXOXO/160820072157350656.jpg (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/EPhemeronXOXO/media/160820072157350656.jpg.html)

Ohhhh and because on certain parts of me my skin is really thin so i can see my veins too - I SWEAR ITS TRUE! - another proof of me being a vamp:P

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 11:05 PM
Girl stop it your are making me laugh so dam hard. Most of those guys and girls for that matter from JS look like leather. They tan like all the time and probably will end up with skin cancer. I remember this kid in high school used tanning lotion. He came into school looking like an umpa lumpa (dunna if you've seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cxJHR3703Xo/UAY7C7mwlxI/AAAAAAAAaxY/aii_Ys_ur3s/s400/Oompa+Loompa+umpa+lumpa.jpg
Everyone was staring at him like what happened. He was like shut up I used tanning lotion. It was so hilarious. I say just accept your skin tone. If anything maybe try body bronzer.Its my peeps :) eyebrows , tan, the whole 9 yards

DonaDiabla
08-15-2013, 11:06 PM
Internalized/externalized racism , percieved preferences, race-fetishism, and its effects on us in this industry makes me cry. I'm pretty dissapointed how quickly people will jump to the conclusion of jealousy, "race card" usage (what the fuck is that, even?!), and cries for more rugged individualism (as in, "Come on, OP, you're obviously not working hard enough") before simply empathizing with a pretty glaring reality that women of color face in all aspects of adult work. The OP isn't hallucinating. This may not be a coordinated "conspiracy" within SM and its affiliates but these dynamics do exist. Can't we just acknowledge this frustration as something very real and show support for enduring it?

That is all.

That was very beautiful and wonderful for you to say that :)

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 11:06 PM
aww and I love the hairrr and the whole thing awwww <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
Actually i love their name the most! Umpa Lumpaas:P See for things like this I love American English language:)))))))))))))))))

SarahTime
08-15-2013, 11:07 PM
I'd just like to apologize to loveshooks and isobelwren in advance for the clusterfuckery that this entire thing has become.

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 11:09 PM
And thats my reason why I wanna lighten the mood here <3

vixenluv
08-15-2013, 11:09 PM
I am profiling you as a ratchet project hoe , stuck in the mind set of pure ignorance and bliss.

I bet you are a southern chick? Most black girls from the south have a mental issue when uneducated

I guess they got wifi at the trailer park now? I hope your little half breed bastard uses the internet to achieve a higher status than her meth head momma.

Blovely
08-15-2013, 11:09 PM
I don't think it looks weird. The dark hair looks nice on you. It goes really good with your eyes. I love vampires though....really super natural movies and shows in genreal. You should see my tv show line up...vampire diaries, super natural, teen wolf...and the list goes on.

i have a picture to prove LOL:P the last time i had dark hair was back in 2007. And i was working in a studio back then and somehow i thought the best way to take a picture of me is if i take a snapshot of me on my cell and then take a snapshot of the cell showing my picture:P
And its weird but hey vampires look weird right? :P

SarahTime
08-15-2013, 11:10 PM
My, my, my holy fuck some people............ I can't imagine living with such hate.

temptingmodel
08-15-2013, 11:10 PM
<---- some of us LOL need a babysitter sometimes. i figured it was too late.....
*just let it happen*
I'd just like to apologize to loveshooks and isobelwren in advance for the clusterfuckery that this entire thing has become.

vixenluv
08-15-2013, 11:11 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif (http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif)

Maybe you should get a nose job before you try to laugh at someones looks...just a though.

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 11:13 PM
Thank you soooo much:)))))))))) Goshhh I love them too a lot! Because I dunno those creatures are so tempting and mysterious. And sexual:) I mean a True Blood fan speaks here:) I loved Twilight but not because of the actual actors who played it but for me the story was about accepting and loving someone for who he or she is accepting he or she with all the flaws and mistakes. Thats why I loved the story.
But the sparkly thing ohhh nope!

I watched a pedro Almodovar movie today: "The skin I live in"
Its a heavy art film but what it wants to say on a deeper level is exactly what this thread supposed to be about!
Its an amazing movie!

vixenluv
08-15-2013, 11:13 PM
Ummm well when you start calling people ratchet project hoes and talking about their kids, you should be ready for them to talk about yours...I give no fucks


My, my, my holy fuck some people............ I can't imagine living with such hate.

Bitch
08-15-2013, 11:14 PM
Maybe you should get a nose job before you try to laugh at someones looks...just a though.

So much anger, but where is it all coming from? Does it just suck to be you? Does nobody understand? Should I cry for you? You have my sympathy, and also my pity.

EphemeronXOXO
08-15-2013, 11:15 PM
Sweetheart seriously dont be bothered okay? <3<3<3<3<3<3<3 It is just not worth it!!!!!!

loveshooks
08-15-2013, 11:16 PM
I swear, I love this place but forcing myself to read through this thread I'm pretty ashamed to be a member of this community right now


I do not think this thread goes out of hand and leading to nothing.
Why can't we talk about colourism/shadism isuess?


I'm bummed because this could have been a fascinating open discussion about the very real effects of racism in the cam world.


@ the bold

^^^^thanks y'all, as well as everyone else who contributed thoughtful posts

From what I can discern there are two separate issues going on here...one, are dark skinned Black women represented on the higher rows of sm? The objective answer to that seems to be yes. Two, what are the issues faced by Black women on and off cam? How do they relate to camming? How did that turn into insults and racist pictures?


Internalized/externalized racism , percieved preferences, race-fetishism, and its effects on us in this industry makes me cry. I'm pretty dissapointed how quickly people will jump to the conclusion of jealousy, "race card" usage (what the fuck is that, even?!), and cries for more rugged individualism (as in, "Come on, OP, you're obviously not working hard enough") before simply empathizing with a pretty glaring reality that women of color face in all aspects of adult work. The OP isn't hallucinating. This may not be a coordinated "conspiracy" within SM and its affiliates but these dynamics do exist. Can't we just acknowledge this frustration as something very real and show support for enduring it?

^^^how did I miss this the first time around? thank you Vivian, so much.

for anyone interested in intelligent discussion about issues of social race I'd suggest heading over to tumblr or jstor, apparently sw ain't it