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rickdugan
08-17-2013, 07:55 AM
It was supposed to be simple. I pick her up at her motel, we go out for a few drinks and then spend a little time at my crash pad for a bit of one on one time. Simple, right? Wrong.

To set this up, she really fooled me into believing that she had her act together. Dancing at the club was supposedly a part-time job while she also waitressed. She certainly looked put together, girl next door beautiful, elegant, in her mid-20s and supposedly with a young child at home to support. She also sounded put together and rebuffed previous attempts to meet up OTC until a recent meeting, which went off fine. With one good meeting under our belts and all other pieces in place, I agreed to meet her on a night that she was not working.

The first tip off should have been the place at which I was slated to pick her up, which was a dumpy local motel. But, for a variety of reasons, I gave her the benefit of the doubt and did so.

Then, however, instead of heading directly to the drink spot, she asked me to first drive to downtown so that she could give her sister a little money. Ok, so she arranges a meet in a central location and my night just got longer, but I was game to be helpful. I was even willing to hand over a small piece of the payment for the night in advance in order to help, though at this point I was obviously wary. The meeting seemed to go ok, but what happened after blew my mind.

Next thing I know, she asked me to take her to a convenience store across the street and then disappears into the bathroom for 40 minutes. After a while I tried to call her, but no answer. The only reason I did not take off is because I was her ride home. Now it is 11:40, almost 1 1/2 hours after the initial pickup, and she finally emerges with some excuse about her cell phone dying, but I was now suspicious about just what was going on. At that point, I told her that we should call it a night and try again some other time, but she of course convinced me to stay out with her and we drove to a local bar for a few pops.

During the beginning of the bar visit, all was going well, with some flirting and the like going, but then, when we are preparing to leave the bar at about 12:45, she disappears again into the bathroom for another 40+ minutes! WTF?! I finally yelled into the bathroom and she emerged soon after. It was pushing 1:30 and the night is clearly shot as I cannot be out all night. I told her that I wanted to call it a night.

When we got back into the car, she was clearly fucked up - far more so than a few shots at the bar would explain. At one point she was so passed out that she crumpled forward into the foot well of the passenger seat - I stopped the car, checked her for a pulse and seriously contemplated taking her to the hospital. Not long after, she roused and started balling about not having a home, missing her kid (first I learned that she did not have custody), needing a friend, and how broke she was because she took the night off for this date and the club is her only income (I guess she is not waitressing after all).

Since she claimed not to have a home to go to, I offered to put her in the room that I rented anyway for this event, which she declined, crying, "But then what will I do tomorrow, what will I do tomorrow." over and over. Instead, she wanted me to bring her to someplace else where she thought that she could crash. It took her three tries, and a lot of driving, for her to remember where she was going to crash for the night, during which more crying ensued. She was a serious fucking mess at that point.

Finally, when we were close to the final location, she asked me to pull over at a convenience store so that she could use the bathroom. Again?! Yup, another 20+ minutes disappearance. By then it was almost 3:30 in the morning and my next day was fucked.

When I finally pulled into this apartment complex, she couldn't seem to remember the apartment number, nor was someone out there waiting for her. I didn't care. I just wanted her out of my damned car by that point. I felt nothing but cold anger at how this played out. I gave her a $20 so that she wouldn't be out there completely broke, since I'm sure that she handed over the original $50 that I fronted to her for the earlier night meetup (though I am now wondering what she actually spent it on), and then I took off. When I was driving off, she was screaming the name of someone from outside the building, no doubt hoping that her host would wake up and bring her in.

For all I know, nobody was going to be getting her and she would be stranded out there, messed up on something and will little money in her pocket, for the remainder of the night. Truth be told, I didn't give a fuck at that point. It was 3:30 in the morning and I was screwed in every way except the one that was supposed to happen. My White Knight days are long behind me and, given how she behaved, she got little sympathy from me. Two uncomplicated hours of her time would have set her up for at least a few days. Instead, she pulled all of that shit, wasting my entire night and then some, and put me in a very bad position for the next day in the process.

Unreal.

yoda57us
08-17-2013, 12:42 PM
Rick, you're a smart guy but you are, as we say in the world of escorting, thinking with your little head. Driving around in a car with a woman who is clearly on something and re-loading her fix in public restrooms all over town is just asking for trouble. Call me an ass but I would have left her in the first bathroom and I would N-E-V-E-R let a whack-job druggie sleep in a room that had my name on the bill. Be careful out there...

_katarina
08-17-2013, 12:55 PM
^^^^ agreed. I've never had to think with a "little head" haha, but I've certainly made my share of not so great choices to get laid.. That being said, I would definitely have left at the first rest stop. Sorry you got jerked around though.

whirlerz
08-17-2013, 01:12 PM
Wellll..sounds like you had a not-so-great time::)?
Seriously, though, I see where this could've had far more disastrous results..you getting jumped/seriously hurt by someone she knows/possibly owes $ to..her o.d.ing & you having to explain..yipes man please be careful!

rickdugan
08-17-2013, 01:56 PM
Rick, you're a smart guy but you are, as we say in the world of escorting, thinking with your little head. Driving around in a car with a woman who is clearly on something and re-loading her fix in public restrooms all over town is just asking for trouble. Call me an ass but I would have left her in the first bathroom and I would N-E-V-E-R let a whack-job druggie sleep in a room that had my name on the bill. Be careful out there...


^^^^ agreed. I've never had to think with a "little head" haha, but I've certainly made my share of not so great choices to get laid.. That being said, I would definitely have left at the first rest stop. Sorry you got jerked around though.

Maybe I was thinking too long with my little head, but the situation was really an evolving (or rather devolving) one. She met up with a young girl at the first meetup, so the explanation was plausible, as was her excuse for why she was in the bathroom so long at stop number two. She also hid her condition very well in the early stages. I really didn't understand what was happening until the tail end of the bar visit and her subsequent antics in the car. By then, she was crying that she had no place to go.

I'll admit that I probably should have seen the signs sooner, but in all candor I don't have a lot of experience in situations like this. Most of my p4p is straight from clubs to my hotel and the few off night encounters I've agreed to with strippers in the past went very well. I also haven't dialed up a girl from an escort ad in many years. Net-net I'm accustomed to dealing with known quantities in managed situations. I will also add that I met this girl in the club several times before this, as well as once in a nice OTC visit, and she gave no signs of having these types of issues. Frankly it took me some time to wrap my head around what was happening.

Now I will also admit that offering to put her in my room was stupid, but at the time it was very late and she couldn't seem to figure out where I should drop her. By this point, my little head had nothing to do with it - I was having a compassionate moment AND I was trying to find somewhere to dump her so that I could gtfo of Dodge.

We live and we learn.

SweetJulia
08-17-2013, 02:11 PM
She has problems. Anyone who needs to do drugs-cuz that's what she was doing-every hour or so-isn't thinking of their health and really hates life. You seem a lot nicer than most guys I've met in clubs, so please don't think it's you. She's taken on the "only interact with customers when shitfaced attitude"- brought on by too many bad experiences. Ummmm, if I were you, I'd check to see if she was still alive.

rickdugan
01-31-2014, 10:10 AM
As an update, it seems that I will never learn. :)

After this event happened, I saw her a few more times in the club, until she got fired for something (I don't know what). Now five months later, I ran into her last night in another club. After some chit chat, during which she explained how she has cleaned up her life (and she looked the part, again), she asked me for a second chance. Long story short, we ended up back at her place for what was a pretty good visit.

Then this morning, I logged into my bank account and found that, earlier today, someone unsuccessfully attempted to use my debit card at a gas station that I do not patronize. I immediately checked my pants from last night and, of course, my debit card is missing. Now it is certainly possible that someone else lifted my card at the club, or that I dropped it while I was pulling money out, but she is obviously my leading suspect as hers was the only place where my pants were off.

This only reason I even gave her a second chance is because she is so damned beautiful and has a nice body, but there obviously won't be a third. My remaining cash was still where it was supposed to be, so I guess I should be grateful for that much at least. No harm done ultimately as I was able to shut the card down before she could get a transaction done on it, but what a pain in the ass this is.

safado
01-31-2014, 10:18 AM
Isn't it possible for her to get your name and address off the magnetic strip info? Assuming her or someone she knows has a card reader. Actually while she was in your wallet she could have looked at your license anyway.

knightwish
01-31-2014, 11:03 AM
Isn't it possible for her to get your name and address off the magnetic strip info? Assuming her or someone she knows has a card reader. Actually while she was in your wallet she could have looked at your license anyway.

No: ISO 7813 defines what's on them and name and address aren't part of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_stripe_card#Financial_cards

SweetJulia
01-31-2014, 11:19 AM
God, that sucks-I've had money stolen-in a different scenario-and it's terrible. It's like someone farting in your face, assuming you don't enjoy that. Hopefully karma does what it's supposed to.

Chili Palmer
01-31-2014, 11:56 AM
Repeat after me: My wallet stays in my car. My wallet stays in my car. My wallet stays in my car.

Rick, you know I love P4P as much as you (though I believe you have certainly surpassed me in sheer numbers). The only thing you bring into the actual rendezvous room (especially if it's her house) is the agreed to amount of cash and condoms. I even have a detachable key ring so my mailbox, house and other keys also stay put. You're better than that.

CP

yoda57us
01-31-2014, 01:32 PM
I could bust your balls here Rick but you are already having a bad day. I got ripped of by a hooker once who emptied my wallet while my pants were around my knees and she was servicing me in my car. That was almost thirty years ago and that was the last time that me and my wallet have ever been in the same room (or a car) with a sex worker that I didn't already know and trust. Maybe I'm just naturally more suspicious because I started my P4P experiences picking up street walkers instead of strippers but there is one commonality among all sex workers. At the outset of your interaction together they have done absolutely nothing to deserve your trust.

Sorry, I guess I did bust on you a little. Stay safe rick. I fear that you are playing in an arena where the ladies are getting more and more desperate as good money becomes more scarce.

rickdugan
01-31-2014, 07:44 PM
I knew I was going to catch some flack for this, but it is what it is. I use fairly rigid protocols when I'm on the road, including only using my own hotel rooms, but I've admittedly been a little more lax recently on the homefront. This obviously needs to change, for a number of reasons.

But even knowing what some of the responses would likely include, I thought that this would be worth sharing. Almost all of my OTC activities go off without any real problems, but this girl fucked it up not once, but twice, and clearly cannot just take it for what it is. I'm paying her well above market rate in this area to begin with, but obviously that is not enough. She also knows that I am looking to setup something regular, and seemed genuinely saddened about fucking it up the first time, yet thought that the right move at that moment was to swipe a debit card that she didn't even have a pin for anyway (or the zip code apparently, which is probably what saved me at that gas station).

Now I know the standard responses to these complaints as well as anybody (they live for today, may need to score, I'm assuming she really wants to do OTC at all, etc.), but in reality most girls that I take OTC, and most especially the ones who are in one of my home clubs, tend to operate with a little more enlightened self interest. But this girl...

Anyway, there it is fwiw.

SweetJulia
02-02-2014, 05:43 AM
Look on the bright side-she sucks as a thief. If she didn't, she would have looked at the license in your wallet, which she had to go in to get the debit card, and gotten the zip code, address, anything else she would have needed to go on a shopping spree.

Tourdefranzia
03-31-2014, 01:09 PM
It's like someone farting in your face, assuming you don't enjoy that.

This sentence made my day!

Golden_Rule
03-31-2014, 10:59 PM
As an update, it seems that I will never learn. :)

After this event happened, I saw her a few more times in the club, until she got fired for something (I don't know what). Now five months later, I ran into her last night in another club. After some chit chat, during which she explained how she has cleaned up her life (and she looked the part, again), she asked me for a second chance. Long story short, we ended up back at her place for what was a pretty good visit.

Then this morning, I logged into my bank account and found that, earlier today, someone unsuccessfully attempted to use my debit card at a gas station that I do not patronize. I immediately checked my pants from last night and, of course, my debit card is missing. Now it is certainly possible that someone else lifted my card at the club, or that I dropped it while I was pulling money out, but she is obviously my leading suspect as hers was the only place where my pants were off.

This only reason I even gave her a second chance is because she is so damned beautiful and has a nice body, but there obviously won't be a third. My remaining cash was still where it was supposed to be, so I guess I should be grateful for that much at least. No harm done ultimately as I was able to shut the card down before she could get a transaction done on it, but what a pain in the ass this is.

Two months removed but:

Dude, you have more to worry about than a missing debit card.

The behavior you describe above is classic heroin user. Forty minutes is fixing and throwing up time. The nods, sliding down into the foot well of the car... vintage, man. Vintage. To be that bad she must be using a deck a day, at least.

If she is a pro you won't see the track marks. She's shooting between her toes or another site out of sight.

Run, do not walk, from her [or any other potential IV drug user] should she approach you again. The life you save may be your own.