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whirlerz
08-30-2013, 12:13 PM
Yeah. Surprised all the bandwidth wasted on this..just sayin'::)

strippername
08-30-2013, 12:31 PM
My comment was actually meant to be a bit more broad and refer to the other things the author of that article talked about when she discussed "ratchet behavior." I don't think there's anything particular malicious about her twerking. I think most people do see twerking as a part of urban culture (though it probably has spread a lot since I first saw the twerk team), so Miley, as a self-described hillbilly, doing it seems intentionally ironic to me, and not in an interesting or good way. I can see how people might find it insensitive was my point, I guess. Then again, maybe she just really likes twerking? I can't honestly say I haven't harbored booty trick envy. I asked a black girl in my club to teach me once, but I haven't persuaded her to get around to it yet. I would probably only do it home alone though, where no one could see me white-girl fail.

Having said all of that, I am not really a fan of this growing movement to police everyone for political correctness.

Edit to add: Damn, y'all. The body bashing is ridiculous in this thread. I've seen your photos, and yes, you're all hot, but comparing age and insisting your body was/is better just seems unnecessary. Miley in no way looks flabby.

The political correctness is pretty much what I was jabbing at. So goofy.

The body bashing is crazy. You know that she is my twin. I like here. Leave Miley alone! #teammiley #twerkteam #holllla #hashtaguncessaryhashtag #hashtag

charlotte_ai
08-30-2013, 02:57 PM
Its been done by better, years ago.... lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBpsUZDiQ0

LanaRevol
08-30-2013, 03:06 PM
Don't care for her.....she's a HO.

tuesdaymarie
08-30-2013, 03:18 PM
The political correctness is pretty much what I was jabbing at. So goofy.

The body bashing is crazy. You know that she is my twin. I like here. Leave Miley alone! #teammiley #twerkteam #holllla #hashtaguncessaryhashtag #hashtag

http://i.imgur.com/xyImuFV.png?1

eagle2
08-30-2013, 03:35 PM
I tried to watch the video yesterday, but it had been taken down. Don't know if I'd like her music or not, her dad traumatized me enough with his song "achy breaky heart." I think if you wanted to torture someone, you could use that song LOL.

Found the video on this page:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1713017/miley-cyrus-robin-thicke-vma-twerk.jhtml

kassie
08-30-2013, 03:39 PM
She was clearly on drugs. I would guess Molly.

eagle2
08-30-2013, 03:46 PM
no kidding, she's a pop star, she should have some serious muscle tone and she has none. she's just thin. not to mention she always hunches over to make her collar bones more intense. look at how amazing madonna looks now! that's the body of a real dancer.

I think Madonna overdoes it a little bit with the weights.

http://fatlossunscrambled.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/madge1.jpg?w=203

Nikki_Fox
08-30-2013, 04:14 PM
Gosh this is getting a bit mean spirited - the thread is rate her performance - NOT bash this girl for her looks - really this is just getting sad - I would think ladies who are subjected to criticism on a regular basis would be above this

Djoser
08-30-2013, 04:36 PM
I don't see anything wrong with her shaking her ass, either. Maybe her calling it twerking was inaccurate, as I always thought twerking referred to the grotesque shit those two girls were doing in the video the article linked to (though I've seen it done better than they were-i.e. less overdone/grotesque). In Miley's case it was just a tame little ass shake or two, hardly worth getting excited about.

Furthermore this notion that white women or women with small asses somehow don't look as good shaking their ass is complete, utter hogwash. From what I've seen in 14 years working the clubs watching guys at the tiprail, the customers love it.

michele11
08-30-2013, 04:43 PM
I love her and everything but i cant help it ...



:eek::eek:

it gets me everytime i look at it lmao

Yes Tuesday...that's not flabby. lol. And this whole thread is about rating her performance which shoes her ass giggling all over. Yeah people aren't going to comment. And no one body bashes around here. No I'm not a kiss ass in pic thread telling every one how hot they are. I call it like I see it...

michele11
08-30-2013, 04:46 PM
Ooops show. If you guys think what we've said around here is bad? What Dr Laura said takes the cake...

RosesForMyLove
08-30-2013, 04:46 PM
I thought it was stupid and very over the top. I mean we get it you are what 20-21 years old now so start acting like it.

RosesForMyLove
08-30-2013, 04:47 PM
Actually I take that back many 20-21 year olds still behave in a very immature manner.

Djoser
08-30-2013, 05:29 PM
Actually I take that back many 20-21 year olds still behave in a very immature manner.

Ha I've worked with women in their 30s who were just as bad, especially if they were drunk/drugged out.

Djoser
08-30-2013, 05:35 PM
Ooops show. If you guys think what we've said around here is bad? What Dr Laura said takes the cake...

OK link please... :D

Looking again at the pics of those shorts, they are clearly way too tight and it makes her ass look way more flabby than it really is. Seeing how she was on national television, that is still a huge error, and she needs to fire her wardrobe person immediately--unless perhaps she overrode their advice which we will probably never find out haha.

Cheo_D
08-30-2013, 06:01 PM
^^^That's part of it -- for a huge segment of the population 20 years old is still standard-issue Young & Stupid(tm). Remember she has not had much or any real "street" time: daddy has been a millionaire all her life and her career was with Disney(*) until she became of age.

(*WTH does Disney do to their girls to have them so ready to act up once they can? Working for the Mouse must indeed be really repressive.)


So I would not fault her for a bad choice in how she's presenting her "new image" (And she does need to get a new image and leave Hanna M back if she wants a real career of her own; just no need to kill and dismember Hanna and throw her in the East River). Her team, OTOH, is not doing her any favors. Bad choice of oufit(*), coreography, props, Gene Simmons impression, etc. The attempt at the "new image" looks like just trying too hard too fast, ends up kind of dissonant. Her spiritual forebears of the turn of the century, Britney and Christina, at least had had a whole lead-up build-up doing the sexy-jailbait schtick starting at the naughty-schoolgirl level and stepping it up with each ensuing iteration until they got into the full-on adult mode. And if she's the one insisting in doing it wrong, then they need to tell her and if she will not listen, walk away. Unless she got herself a team of toadies and daddy's leechers which could also be the problem.

(*And yes, whoever put her in those shorts is her enemy. Probably an agent of Gaga, whose ass ended up looking mighty fine that night by contrast.)

Incantatious
08-30-2013, 06:21 PM
I've repeated my opinion on this *so* many times, I just want to post the following to condense my opinion right down! Apologies for my laziness. -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/miley-cyrus-and-the-issues-of-slut-shaming-and-racial-condescension/2013/08/26/f3aee436-0e68-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zbxM4EehE

Incantatious
08-30-2013, 06:26 PM
Actually I take that back many 20-21 year olds still behave in a very immature manner.

...Is there anything wrong with that? :/

The world is trying way too hard to be serious these days imo.

Djoser
08-30-2013, 08:13 PM
^^^You do have a point. I have been very critical of certain aspects of her performance, but the average music video is worse.

That's why seeing the smug faced 'Other Pop Stars' trying to look cooler than her was kind of funny in my mind, and as interesting in its own way as what she was doing.

Djoser
08-30-2013, 08:13 PM
^^^You do have a point. I have been very critical of certain aspects of her performance, but the average music video is worse.

That's why seeing the smug faced 'Other Pop Stars' trying to look cooler than her was kind of funny in my mind, and as interesting in its own way as what she was doing.

BANHammerGoddess
08-31-2013, 02:07 AM
Seriously? Let's switch that around and take anything that black people do and say they are appropriating white culture. No more tennis for you black man!!!

sorry, that is pretty funny (in a good way.)

basically, if a certain minority are making money from something that they say is "their's" I don't really see an issue from a few people from a different group using it to have fun, do their own spin so long as it's not a mockery in poor taste--making fun of the minority group.

Did it suck that Elvis probably became the face of music that before that would have been considered mainly Black music? sure, but he blasted that shit into the stratosphere.
I don't see Miley Cyrus, or any of the white rappers being a real threat to black artists-- in some ways I think making people ask why a certain performance works or doesn't work is actually better for hip-hop/rap as a whole. A lot of the stuff out on the market is just ridiculous and not very intelligent-- it's just marketed to the lowest common denominator (not black or white, or any other ethnicity-- just people who are easily pacified by a good beat but don't care about the lyrics much.) Now, Eminem-- he's probably the best white rep of a black music style and I think a lot of his lyrics are very smart and well crafted. I'm sure there's plenty of black rappers out there who are equally well-qualified at crafting something that's danceable and smart to listen to and deconstruct-- but sadly, most of the black rappers aren't going to stand out against a lot of the crap put out by rappers now ( who are mainly black.)

The older I get, the less I'm satisfied by lyrics that address the size of my ass or speak about women as just sluts/hoes/bitches. So there's very little hip-hop/rap I listen to by anyone of any color, though I still will find stuff catchy (god, I sound fucking old.)

I did compare the VMA vids just now between Cyrus and Gaga. It looked like Cyrus was trying to go out there like Gaga does, and some of it was interesting. I'm happy to see more black women stage performers who's body type are outside what's pimped by most magazines ('cept urban/black ones) so that was cool. She looked like any chick at a party having fun with her friends, so in that she's probably more genuine about being what she is-- a young girl out for a fun time who just happens to have a national stage to show off on.

And I thought Gaga's last wig was awesome. I want it.



I've repeated my opinion on this *so* many times, I just want to post the following to condense my opinion right down! Apologies for my laziness. -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/miley-cyrus-and-the-issues-of-slut-shaming-and-racial-condescension/2013/08/26/f3aee436-0e68-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zbxM4EehE


That's amazing! And I think it's a great addition to the discourse so I'm glad she did the song the way she did-- whatever it takes to get people to actually talk rather than just bob their heads and go along like sheep.


Re: loveshooks' article and reactions to it, I think the difference between MC twerking and a black man playing tennis is, in part, that dipping into "ratchet" behavior is often done for ironic amusement/shock value. It's comparable to how we get offended when women want to borrow aspect of "stripper culture" without ever having been strippers.



I only find it annoying because it cuts into my money. On the other hand, it's great to be able to walk into a ross or even a resale shop and buy "stripper shoes" for $15 that actually were marketed to non-strippers. Obviously, I'd rather go back to when it was less acceptable for girls/women to put themselves out their so sexually because it made making money so much easier as a stripper.

tempest666
08-31-2013, 03:48 AM
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Not as bad as that damn outfit made it look.

BANHammerGoddess
08-31-2013, 03:49 AM
I am kind of bummed she went with the weird 90s bun/horns. Her hair can be really cute how it is and aside from the whole costume choices, I thought her hair was an obvious "c'mon, really?"

Selina M
08-31-2013, 11:13 AM
I'm late to the party...

I didn't find it particularly shocking. Maybe that's because I see that dancing on a daily basis between work and nightclubs, but it's not like she did an Ozzy/bat routine. It was more of just "... Why?" the whole time. I don't know if she thought she looked hot but she was a trainwreck with the outfit and hair. The bears and giant-ass-people were just bizarre. The whole thing really did suck because she is not sexy - I don't know one single guy that ever found her sexy; the most would be cute when she was Hannah Montana - and it's obvious she is trying way too hard.

I think she is having an identity crisis, like teenagers/young 20s do sometimes, and it's getting played out on a large public scale just because she's famous from Hannah Montana. It's the same as the straight A kid in high school who snaps and becomes a drunken mess in college... just not broadcast on MTV. I also don't think she's mocking blacks, I think she thinks their culture is the "cool" "edgy" thing and wants to be part of it. Her Twitter is full of that shit.

Slightly off Miley, I think everyone needs to lay off Robin Thicke. I keep seeing blogs tearing him a new one for "being a perv" and suddenly calling "Blurred Lines" creepy. It's like people realized the initial shock of Miley was gone so now they need to drag Robin in for new material.

BANHammerGoddess
08-31-2013, 01:40 PM
I hadn't seen the vid of his song till I was watching the other stuff last night...I thought the balloon message was pretty hilarious.

While the video was shot well and is "cute," it's still misogynistic, but compared to most music videos it's bubblegum fluff.

Starling
08-31-2013, 02:36 PM
I'm late to this thread. I just watched her VMA performance and she kind of reminds me of new dancers that you see once in a while who look very awkward and try too hard on stage.

Starling
08-31-2013, 02:50 PM
Also, regarding other celebrities' reactions. In their defense, I'm not sure if it was out of smugness because they feel "cooler" than her per say, but just watching the performance, it looked strange. I don't follow Miley Cyrus, but I would have (and maybe the celebrities did too) expected something more professional. I felt very embarrassed for her.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/drake-reaction-miley-cyrus-vmas-2013-twitter.jpg

http://31.media.tumblr.com/595e31c46c52b4c68b24042218077eca/tumblr_ms5epcpuX61rdk29fo1_500.jpg

http://media.salon.com/2013/08/AP267891199839-1280x960.jpg

michele11
08-31-2013, 04:34 PM
^ HAHA! that kid from new directions face and the last 3. Bawaaah. You always crack me up!

Djoser
08-31-2013, 05:52 PM
An excellent point Sansonnet--and my face might have looked about the same if I were at the VMAs (which I never would be but anyway).

I just have no respect whatsoever for Drake or Jay-z musically, none, zero, zip. No class, no style, and sucking right up the ass of the corporate world while pretending to be gangsta. The fact they are getting away with this cake of shit and eating it too says as much about the mindless consumers as it does their lack of talent. At least Robin Thicke chose a good musician to rip off for his hit song, though he is a chump for failing to acknowledge it. Rihanna sometimes puts out good stuff but her letting Chris beat shit out of her then coming out with 'Rude Boys'???

I would be embarrassed to leave the house, much less go to an awards show and let my dismay at the lack of class or talent show, while possessing none of my own. I don't know who those other people were because I never watch music videos or awards shows.

Starling
09-01-2013, 01:56 AM
^That's true, it takes one to know one. I live under a rock and don't know very much about any of those people, but they probably *think* they're professionals when compared to Miley.

Melonie
09-01-2013, 06:39 AM
hmmm ... it appears that Miley's performance may have farther reaching consequences ...


(snip)"Consumers have good reason to wonder why they have to pay for cable channels they don't watch. Most cable customers enjoy only a fraction of the channels on their services but end up supporting them all every time they write a check to Comcast or similar providers.

The hullabaloo over Miley Cyrus's sexualized performance during Sunday's Video Music Awards presentation gave bundled cable opponents another very good argument. Why should consumers support a channel like MTV which brings such content into their homes?

Fox News reports that Cyrus's poorly received act is putting pressure on Congress to more seriously consider the Television Consumer Freedom Act which would give consumers the option to only pay for channels they want.

As it stands now, cable networks are part of TV packages so consumers cannot buy one without buying others. But in May this year, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called the system an “injustice being inflicted on the American people,” and introduced the “a la carte cable bill” – which was co-sponsored by Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) – in Congress. There are currently no roll call votes on the bill, and it remains in limbo. However, supporters stress that the recent MTV VMAs pointed out the urgency for its passing."(snip)


(snip)"Channel bundling, channel tiers, etc. are what keep a lot of networks on the air. Whether you watch a particular channel / network or not, that network / channel gets a piece of your cable bill. The revenue collected is as much or more than advertising revenue to the networks.

Bottom line with bundling if you decide your not going to watch NBC, for example, or use the products of any of its sponsors, NBC is still getting some of your money if you have a bundle that includes NBC."(snip)


from


If the Television Consumer Freedom Act were to become law, it would essentially force every American household with Cable TV service to individually decide whether they wanted to spend $1 per month for access to MTV. My guess is that on a nationwide basis half the Cable TV customers would choose no. This would deprive MTV of a large chunk of revenue. However, given the strong links between MTV and the recording industry, the consumer products for teenagers industry, etc. that buy tons of paid advertising time, there is zero danger of MTV 'disappearing'.

But the same Television Consumer Freedom Act law would similarly affect all other cable channels / networks that are part of today's bundles ... and similarly force an individual choice by American households as to whether they wanted to spend $1 per month to access them. And unlike MTV, some of these cable channels / networks don't appeal to a 'niche' of comparatively high-spending viewers / customers thus forging a strong link to 'major league' paid advertisers marketing specific products to those specific customers.

Thus by the 'butterfly's wings' theory, Miley Cyrus could in fact wind up being the catalyst for the destruction of a host of low viewership cable channels / networks that are heavily dependent on revenues generated by cable bundling versus paid advertiser revenues. And, ironically - given earlier discussions of Miley unjustifiably 'appropriating' elements of black culture, the BET network would be one of the cable networks that is potentially the most vulnerable if denied future cable bundling revenues and forced to rely exclusively on specific US cable customer paid subscription revenues plus paid advertiser revenues !

Lindvall
09-01-2013, 04:58 PM
It was so ugly.............................................. ..........................

Optimist
09-04-2013, 12:20 PM
I hadn't seen the vid of his song till I was watching the other stuff last night...I thought the balloon message was pretty hilarious.

While the video was shot well and is "cute," it's still misogynistic, but compared to most music videos it's bubblegum fluff.

Honey, if ya think that was bad check out Miley and her "Big Ass Ho" at her last birthday!!! She got a handful of Black booty...apparently she is now a Black male rapper or gay or...IDKWTF! #ratchetness abounds
http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/19/miley-cyrus-birthday-photo-big-booty-ho/

BANHammerGoddess
09-04-2013, 12:50 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/19/1218-miley-cyrus-butt-grab-3.jpg

She be a pirate, getting her booty...

hot4ablackchick
09-07-2013, 05:48 PM
Lame performance. Lame entertainer. Not hot, not shocking, it just bored me and she looked like a complete fool. Miley bears a striking resemblance to Justin Beiber IMO. Especially in the pic above.

Optimist
09-07-2013, 06:22 PM
Even Minnie Mouse is twerkin' y'all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ui_y_83yM

lolabunny
09-07-2013, 06:23 PM
I think she has a very nice body, but the performance and the tongue was all over the place...that song is just terrible and sounds like it came straight off the disney channel...imo lol...it didn't mix well at all....idk I just feel like she's trying too hard to break away from her disney persona, but the way she's doing it, just doesn't seem natural for her, idk lol...she needs a better team...being sexy is one thing, being bat shit crazy is another lol....I hope she gets it together

temptingmodel
09-07-2013, 08:34 PM
Rating a 10 and some

mm she is a entertainer, she is young , she is feeling her way through the world. she wants to break away from the that sweet Miley.
Hell, cant knock her esp going on stage in front of peers. She is definitely breaking away, becoming a woman, IMO her performance rocked, ppl are talking about it. America loves trash. It is a proven a fact, we love trash, we talk about it, some praise it (she gets a hand in the air from me) we watch it daily. I cant bring myself to knock her performance. She simply did what American culture thrives on. SMUT.


I must say and I know a lot disagree but I love her, I haven't seen her vids etc but I have watched her grow up. ( I have a teenager, so yeah I had to deal with all the stupid movies etc, just did not indulge) She is outgoing and genuinely a sweet bitch.
Something about her aura I have always enjoyed but when she hit the stage looking crazy as fuck, doing her thing , I stopped, stared , sat down , looked at my kid and said umm yeah she got it, she will blend nicely.

Miley does blend nicely ...... goes from Hannah to


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWz6pLcrg0

The full unedited version is online.

Now this song shows she is going for the gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrUvu1mlWco


She is simply , truly letting out the person she is. I can totally understand.
My heart goes out to young performers that we have seen grow up, they get most ridicule.
I will give her a thumbs up all day for her performance. She let the world know, yeah, THIS IS MILEY. :) It may have been classless taste in some opinion but as she stated in the last video I posted haters will hate, people will talk, do you. woohoo go miley!

Odette
09-08-2013, 05:07 PM
1) Miley is not fat. In fact, she's very very thin, has been shrinking rapidly, possibly due to any number of things, but either way, shame on the ones who were criticizing her ass. It's probably nicer than 90% of the asses on the planet so fuck off.

2)But her outfit was hanus. She needs to fire her stylist and hire me instead :)

3)Tonge thing was bad. I liked the rest of it.

4) Most significant: This forces people to acknowledge that seemingly "good" girls also have a sexuality. In retaliation to oppression, she's unleashing it and making an attempt to desensitize people to it. I don't think the performance fully achieved this goal because it was a bit too lewd.

5) I find the original "blurred lines" video far more offensive than miley's performance. It's appalling that Robin Thicke can get away with fully nude women in his video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwT6DZCQi9k
but Miley Cyrus can't even give a sexualized performance without being labelled as "crazy", "unstable", "insane", and "the new lindsay lohan"

6) Both performers and videos aside though, this version definitely takes the cake :) AND does a better job of saying what Miley probably was aiming to accomplish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1XtnLRLPM#t=19

arielbriel
09-08-2013, 05:39 PM
Well Vogue definitely didn't like her performance. They cancelled her cover shoot with them.
http://www.examiner.com/article/miley-cyrus-nasty-little-girl-routine-gets-her-ousted-from-vogue-cover?cid=rss

temptingmodel
09-08-2013, 06:01 PM
1) Miley is not fat. In fact, she's very very thin, has been shrinking rapidly, possibly due to any number of things, but either way, shame on the ones who were criticizing her ass. It's probably nicer than 90% of the asses on the planet so fuck off.

2)But her outfit was hanus. She needs to fire her stylist and hire me instead :)

3)Tonge thing was bad. I liked the rest of it.

4) Most significant: This forces people to acknowledge that seemingly "good" girls also have a sexuality. In retaliation to oppression, she's unleashing it and making an attempt to desensitize people to it. I don't think the performance fully achieved this goal because it was a bit too lewd.

5) I find the original "blurred lines" video far more offensive than miley's performance. It's appalling that Robin Thicke can get away with fully nude women in his video:

but Miley Cyrus can't even give a sexualized performance without being labelled as "crazy", "unstable", "insane", and "the new lindsay lohan"

6) Both performers and videos aside though, this version definitely takes the cake :) AND does a better job of saying what Miley probably was aiming to accomplish.


^^^ love the vid :)

simone87
09-08-2013, 06:07 PM
i agree with the robin thicke video double standard thing. as well as his whole song reeking of date rape.

temptingmodel
09-08-2013, 06:15 PM
i agree with the robin thicke video double standard thing. as well as his whole song reeking of date rape. i tried to stay away from the date rape part and focus on the performance.
I never imagined he would prod a song like this.... surprised me
I guess ppl thought Miley would never perform like she did.....did not surprise me

I am more shocked the song made it like it has, yes it has a catchy tune, love it but damn "you know you want it" No, some women do not. :)

Odette
09-08-2013, 08:56 PM
The video's original context is very important though: it defines the hypocrisy of the criticism of miley cyrus' performance in contrast to the original song's content. At least the girl is parading HERSELF. And appearing to enjoy it for that matter. What the hell did mtv and subsequently the media expect endorsing such a song in the first place? It was what turned out to be a badly executed attempt to "feminise" thicke's heavily criticized song. Which the Law Revue girls did waaaaay better!

BANHammerGoddess
09-09-2013, 10:18 AM
I actually think that's awesome. She's not making fun of them. That blonde chick she's dancing with is actually pretty hot, and I loved the pictures of them backstage.
I get pissed with some movies nowadays that use computer graphics to put so-called normal people in acting spots that used to be taken up by little people.

So I'm all for this. Hell yeah, get more little people in music videos. They've really disappeared from media like movies and such in the last decade or so, and I want them back!

PleasureVictim
09-09-2013, 01:56 PM
I look forward to the day I don't have to hear her name and twerking in the same sentence. From CNN to ESPN- it's ridiculous.

Hopefully she can find another accessory by the time her next album release rolls around.

eagle2
09-09-2013, 05:16 PM
Just read Miley Cyrus will be hosting Saturday Night Live on October 5.

temptingmodel
09-09-2013, 05:27 PM
this should be funny and expect a remake of the performance I <3 SNL
Just read Miley Cyrus will be hosting Saturday Night Live on October 5.

cherryblossomsinspring
09-10-2013, 11:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8

She has a new video and her figure looks great. The song is nice and she's already has over 20 million viewers in less than 24 hours. The licking hammer thing and nudity probably shocks many but again I think this is the uncomfortable reaction to someone that had a child audience not that long ago. I've seen other performers do much worse but you can see comments everywhere that say " ugg how distasteful".