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KatyBoleyn
03-08-2015, 02:53 PM
We had some issues with CS that were definitely going by their own prejudice rather than following the company line, which we got corrected quickly...specifically pertaining to 2 TS girls and a Middle-eastern performer on 2 different sites. I don't want to imagine if the company line does ever match up to the prejudice.

Sam38g
03-08-2015, 04:12 PM
The decisions are from the higher ups. They set the guidelines for what they want in performers and then CS just follows those when looking at applications. Considering the porn industry is usually a looks based industry, its shouldn't be surprising to anyone that looks usually are a deciding factor.

You should be more concerned that Manwin aka MindGeek has been in negotiations to buy out Streamate. If they do they will fire at least half of the performers on there guaranteed since they want the highly attractive, adult star look. People say that look doesn't sell, but the largest cam site in traffic and profit is LJ and they do have a strict appearance and cam requirement. So it clearly does sell and sites go on what the customers demand.

Tubesite traffic is down. No longer are there plenty of companies to steal content off of & they have deals in place with the rest. Tubesites convert 1/70,000 into a site sale, my new site converts at 1/600 currently. Lots of employees laid off at DP & NOT replaced. Production is down for the companies they own. If rumors are true soon they have a major balloon payment to cover. I don't think the have the finances to cover what it would cost to buy SM, they have NOT been on a buying spree in a long time. Companies they did buy aren't bringing in the money they did beforehand.

Cam sites are the only ones in porn with profits increasing, know a site that has an average of 60 to 120 girls live & they pull in $300,000 daily. Can't imagine what SM makes daily. Nobody in their right mind would sell out a multi-million dollar biz if not billion dollar biz with grow at this time. They can't afford SM. Buying out DP foer $2mil or $5mil is one thing, buying out SM more like $100 million or more.

Now, maybe f4f, ifriendz, imlive, naked maybe & rebuild them out might be possible.

We all & every article written is about how much the performers make, when I want to know is how much does the cam sites pull in a year.

Sam

SarahTime
03-08-2015, 04:23 PM
What the hell, I'm going to try Flirt4Free. It's one of the only sites that I haven't tried yet. I like to try them myself before I decide if they suck or not.

If it sucks, I'm sure ya'll will hear from me. If it's awesome maybe not.... hmmmm lol ;)

Complaint #1. You have to have an actual "name" like I can't use my current performer name Sexy Texan, I have to have a "real sounding" first and last name.

Complaint #2. Low percentage... 26.something% up to 35%. I work for cams.com at 29% so, what's a few more percents. Worth it for me if it ends up being a good site... the whole 26% of $0 is still $0 thing.

Otherwise, so far I really like the performer admin, they are SUPER SUPER fast at approving applications, and their support is like.... amazing. So far.

Another random thought - they drop performers after a certain time period who are not making money, which for the site and the model seems like a fair thing to do. If the model isn't making money on the site, why would she want to be there anyway? And why should they pay the cost of hosting her stream if she's not bringing in money? I think Melonie has been talking about this for a long time now.

They show you the rankings of top 10 models as part of various contests, as well as show you the highest record for each contest. For the "Female Model of the Day" (most earned in a single day) this is the record: 710529 Credits on Jun 30, 2014. Each credit is worth $.10..... so that's $71,000 gross generated by ONE MODEL IN A SINGLE DAY. What the ever loving fuck? Is that even possible...? I mean shit, I'll take 26% of that.



We all & every article written is about how much the performers make, when I want to know is how much does the cam sites pull in a year.


Damn I would love to know that.... :)

JaneBurgess
03-08-2015, 07:14 PM
Cam sites are struggling. Their traffic is way down, customers aren't spending as much and well this forum is full of cam performers struggling as well. MindGeek is making bank with Twistys, Babes, Brazzers, Reality Kings, etc. They havent been on a buying spree, but they have been buying sites and companies still.

Streamate isnt doing as well as you or a lot of these performers think. Financially they were doing better three or four years ago. You have connections in this biz, I'm sure you hear the conversations. FreeWebCams built their Encoder specifically to be streamed with Streamate and Naked. What would make these companies work together when they used to be competitive? RealTouch is working with Flirt4Free and what they brought out is the future of camming. It's pretty damn cool and from what I hear, customers love it.

When FreeWebCams was bought out, people thought I was crazy to jump on board. I don't think some people have a clue who actually owns them or how big of a company they are. Sure they had and still have issues but what they are rolling out soon and with who is why I did it. It's important to know whats going on behind the scenes, thats how you last a long time in this industry and get yourself included in new projects.

XBiz did an article about what cam sites made per year and their traffic stats. It was a year or two again, I read it in their magazine. LJ was the number one site and it said their traffic alone was almost more than all the other larger cam sites combined. Same with their profits. Ill try and find the link and post it. It was a really good read and kind of shocking when you read the stats.







Tubesite traffic is down. No longer are there plenty of companies to steal content off of & they have deals in place with the rest. Tubesites convert 1/70,000 into a site sale, my new site converts at 1/600 currently. Lots of employees laid off at DP & NOT replaced. Production is down for the companies they own. If rumors are true soon they have a major balloon payment to cover. I don't think the have the finances to cover what it would cost to buy SM, they have NOT been on a buying spree in a long time. Companies they did buy aren't bringing in the money they did beforehand.

Cam sites are the only ones in porn with profits increasing, know a site that has an average of 60 to 120 girls live & they pull in $300,000 daily. Can't imagine what SM makes daily. Nobody in their right mind would sell out a multi-million dollar biz if not billion dollar biz with grow at this time. They can't afford SM. Buying out DP foer $2mil or $5mil is one thing, buying out SM more like $100 million or more.

Now, maybe f4f, ifriendz, imlive, naked maybe & rebuild them out might be possible.

We all & every article written is about how much the performers make, when I want to know is how much does the cam sites pull in a year.

Sam

SarahTime
03-08-2015, 08:50 PM
LJ was the number one site and it said their traffic alone was almost more than all the other larger cam sites combined. Same with their profits. Ill try and find the link and post it. It was a really good read and kind of shocking when you read the stats.

Is it possible that traffic on LJ is so high because they use an excessive amount of pop-under advertising? Traffic doesn't always equal sales, as we all know. I don't doubt that LJ brings in a nice profit though. I actually liked LJ when I was able to meet their HD requirements.

I think the thing that makes sites like F4F and LJ not as attractive to the general camgirl population is the fact that the gap between high income earners and low income earners is huge. There seems to be no middle ground on these sites. Then you have SM where there is a large middle ground where you can make decent money between those that make huge amounts and those that make very little. I think that's why SM has a lot of success with performers, because they have the highest potential for average models.

hyori
03-08-2015, 10:39 PM
I wonder if F4F people read this thread because I now see some very interesting looking models on there...not the usual! A girl with a head tatt, shaved, colored blue and pierced and a BBW couple!

Kitcatt
03-09-2015, 01:38 AM
Is it possible that traffic on LJ is so high because they use an excessive amount of pop-under advertising? Traffic doesn't always equal sales, as we all know. I don't doubt that LJ brings in a nice profit though. I actually liked LJ when I was able to meet their HD requirements.

I think the thing that makes sites like F4F and LJ not as attractive to the general camgirl population is the fact that the gap between high income earners and low income earners is huge. There seems to be no middle ground on these sites. Then you have SM where there is a large middle ground where you can make decent money between those that make huge amounts and those that make very little. I think that's why SM has a lot of success with performers, because they have the highest potential for average models.


Agreed. I was on cams.com for a year and though I was in the top 100 models I make twice as much on streamate. Everyone keeps decrying the end of SM, but as long as I pull my hours I still make that. I also have issue with sites that nickle and dime the FUCK out of their models. Stop it fuckers, I'm working and making you the majority of the cash, just give me my % and leave me the fuck alone.

Vlodina
03-10-2015, 02:57 AM
I signed up year a year plus ago but never did anything with it. I did like the look of it though. Later this week I'll be able to split so I need to decide what I'm splitting...

untame
03-24-2015, 07:09 PM
How is F4F doing for you?

SarahTime
03-24-2015, 08:42 PM
I love it so far. :) No complaints. It has slow periods like any other sites, but it's a nice change from SM.

ENoire
03-27-2015, 07:08 AM
I'm just getting set up on Flirt4Free, and it looks like it's going to be a steeeeeep learning curve. Again, struggling with which category to put myself in- BBW or chubby???

It all just seems a bit cluttered. I'm still really excited to give it a go though!

IvyAdams
04-22-2015, 09:54 AM
Bumping this because I have had a couple of models from SM tell me recently that they switched over to this site as their main and they LOVE it.. How are you ladies liking it still??

Prussia
04-22-2015, 11:39 AM
Ivy, there is another thread going about F4F here (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?168405-VS-Media-Video-Secrets-Flirt4free/page2). Read pages 2-3 for posts from the last week or so. I went back to that site (it was my first site yeeeeears ago) and I hated it. I re-signed up last week trying to give another shot and I lasted 1 day... couldn't stand it. :-\ SarahTime provided some good tips for working the site on the last page of that thread. :)

SuperPookie
09-30-2018, 07:23 AM
I could not find a dedicated F4F thread so I'm bumping this ancient one lol.
After sitting on SM for over 8 hours yesterday and making a bit under $6 I decided that I absolutely have to have another site. I also work on Cams but after new girl status wore off there wasn't much of anything and iFriends...well zzz lol.
I looked and from what I could see 50-60 credits per minute wasn't that uncommon which would equal to $5-$6 per minute of which we would get 26% correct?
So members without credits can also come in your room? Can you turn that option off? What about blocking? Is there a particular studio that is recommended or do they just auto assign you one depending on your location?

minniesoporno
09-30-2018, 08:47 AM
That's because their threads haven't been merged into one giant thread.

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?182125-F4F&highlight=Flirt4free

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?168405-VS-Media-Video-Secrets-Flirt4free&highlight=Flirt4free

minniesoporno
09-30-2018, 08:49 AM
I could not find a dedicated F4F thread so I'm bumping this ancient one lol.
After sitting on SM for over 8 hours yesterday and making a bit under $6 I decided that I absolutely have to have another site. I also work on Cams but after new girl status wore off there wasn't much of anything and iFriends...well zzz lol.
I looked and from what I could see 50-60 credits per minute wasn't that uncommon which would equal to $5-$6 per minute of which we would get 26% correct?
So members without credits can also come in your room? Can you turn that option off? What about blocking? Is there a particular studio that is recommended or do they just auto assign you one depending on your location?

Flirt4free I signed up directly with them in 2008. I haven't worked on there much, but did breifly last year right before the non sense with First choice happened.

Flirt4free is one of the oldest sites it make sense to keep them around until they are no longer arround as a business. I can get paid from them check in the mail minimum is $25 and I could also get paid by a wire.

I pretty much got my A-team list of cam sites and my B-team list of sites. that keep the lights on and fund my business and investment account

naomi_doll
10-04-2018, 08:57 AM
Anyone still using F4F? Is this the site where you have to work a certain amount of hours at a certain rate and/or cannot ban people? Thank you guys so much!

minniesoporno
10-04-2018, 09:42 AM
Anyone still using F4F? Is this the site where you have to work a certain amount of hours at a certain rate and/or cannot ban people? Thank you guys so much!

my annual goal for here is $10,000 to $25,000 here.

naomi_doll
10-04-2018, 10:56 AM
my annual goal for here is $10,000 to $25,000 here.

Is this the site where you have to work a certain amount of hours at a certain rate and/or cannot ban people?

SuperPookie
10-04-2018, 02:27 PM
Is this the site where you have to work a certain amount of hours at a certain rate and/or cannot ban people?

I thought that was ImLive. If it's F4F I certainly don't want to work here as I have 0 patience and apply the ban hammer freely lol

XO_Alice
10-07-2018, 07:36 PM
^^ Yes, that is I'm Live you're thinking of, though Flirt forces you to give an explanation as to why you are kicking or banning. Wish I could attach an image of my middle finger to it.

Interesting thread. I started F4F ages ago when I was still in college, but was so preoccupied with SM that I ended up not making much and quit. That was until 2017, when I popped back on because why not. It brought me between $50-$200 every payout, so not fab but considering I only worked 6-12 hours every couple weeks July-October, it allowed me to get by when working a vanilla job full time wasn't cutting it. Mind you this is after years of absence and zero social media presence and doing private shows only. Last I saw, there's several room options where you can keep free guests out and focus only on people with a credit card, or set your room to paying clients only. Pretty sure there's a token-show option, too, so it's a lot like other sites -this is provided they haven't changed tons of shit. OH! There's an option on there that lets your clients pay to stream old shows with you. I had one guy pay over and over and over for an SPH vid (HAHAHAHA) so it was a fun little extra on top of pvt shows.

P.S. I wouldn't rule out I'm Live, especially since SM is breaking everyone's balls rn with all the glitching. At least in my experience, the IL crowd is LOYAL AS FUCK. There's guys on there still hitting my chat from summer of 2015 when I very first started. Tough it out and you'll have yourself a good fall-back option.

naomi_doll
10-07-2018, 07:52 PM
^^ Yes, that is I'm Live you're thinking of, though Flirt forces you to give an explanation as to why you are kicking or banning. Wish I could attach an image of my middle finger to it.

Interesting thread. I started F4F ages ago when I was still in college, but was so preoccupied with SM that I ended up not making much and quit. That was until 2017, when I popped back on because why not. It brought me between $50-$200 every payout, so not fab but considering I only worked 6-12 hours every couple weeks July-October, it allowed me to get by when working a vanilla job full time wasn't cutting it. Mind you this is after years of absence and zero social media presence and doing private shows only. Last I saw, there's several room options where you can keep free guests out and focus only on people with a credit card, or set your room to paying clients only. Pretty sure there's a token-show option, too, so it's a lot like other sites -this is provided they haven't changed tons of shit. OH! There's an option on there that lets your clients pay to stream old shows with you. I had one guy pay over and over and over for an SPH vid (HAHAHAHA) so it was a fun little extra on top of pvt shows.

P.S. I wouldn't rule out I'm Live, especially since SM is breaking everyone's balls rn with all the glitching. At least in my experience, the IL crowd is LOYAL AS FUCK. There's guys on there still hitting my chat from summer of 2015 when I very first started. Tough it out and you'll have yourself a good fall-back option.

Thank you so much!!!

Mery
01-02-2019, 03:54 PM
Hi, girls!

Flirt4free: “All models must have at least one paid private show within 3 hours of being online to avoid being disconnected from our chat system. You will be notified by our automated system with warnings of being kicked off. If you are kicked off the chat system, you can log back in again after 8 hours”.

For those who work on Flirt4free, does the rule still apply?

I am looking forward to your replies. Thank You!

minniesoporno
01-03-2019, 10:03 AM
Hi, girls!

Flirt4free: “All models must have at least one paid private show within 3 hours of being online to avoid being disconnected from our chat system. You will be notified by our automated system with warnings of being kicked off. If you are kicked off the chat system, you can log back in again after 8 hours”.

For those who work on Flirt4free, does the rule still apply?

I am looking forward to your replies. Thank You!


No I don't think it is in place anymore. I have been on more then 3 hours.

They did change their payout system to teir payout.