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SoloDesire
10-07-2013, 04:42 PM
Well best of luck Snowy! I hope you can make it work for you. Keep us updated! If I can get the nerve im gonna try to focus some time on Chaturbate! SM is just full of so much fail lately. I log off depressed every day. I've been giving my all...but it's just not enough lately.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 04:44 PM
Well best of luck Snowy! I hope you can make it work for you. Keep us updated! If I can get the nerve im gonna try to focus some time on Chaturbate! SM is just full of so much fail lately. I log off depressed every day. I've been giving my all...but it's just not enough lately.

same my computer pulled me away from it but i think that was the cam goddess pulling me in the right direction XD

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 05:46 PM
I would like to point out just because you aren't having any issues doesn't mean they don't exist. I personally didn't have any issues last week but I saw many performers post they were being disconnected from the site. Streamate itself has already said it has issues with their servers so clearly the issues exist if the site acknowledges them. It always annoys me when performers come on here and say they don't have an issues and none of their friends do either. It's almost implying that the other performers are liars or suck at their jobs. The site has issues, that's a proven fact. The traffic is not as good as it once was, that's a proven fact and yes people will have to adapt. I wish you all a great week and hope you are issue free.

Umm that was about paying traffic, not tech issues lol. Did I mention or imply tech issues even once? No. Those happen, but they aren't a deal breaker.




Because you haven't met every cam girl, and you aren't every cam girl, you only can speak for yourself and your friends. I was doing great a few months ago on SM when my placement was lower. I bought a new cam for widescreen, and my placement shot up and I can definitely sense something is wrong with the site as I haven't been busy as I was a few months back. I'm still making money, but I'm having to change up my hustle and stay logged into several sites at once. You will never see me complaining in the forums though because I believe in self-fulfilling prophecies and good/bad juju. SM was great by itself, and now it's slowing down for me at this time. I don't doubt things will get better, but let's not ignore the fact that there are some girls, a lot of girls in fact, feeling the hurt right now on SM and shouldn't be ignored just because you and your friends aren't.

Yeeeeep! Here come all the attacks. One girl says she's doing well and then an army come out of no wear to *try* and make her feel bad about it, or at least about writing it.

Duh, I can only speak for myself and everyone I;ve met/seen personally. But everyone in this thread is saying how horrible Streamate is for everyone, and all I'm doing is saying its not. Girls mentioning they are going to contact the BBB and complain to Streamate because something is ~*seriously wrong*~. And here I am saying someone of us are doing well and haven't noticed a change.

Its like, if you don't agree with the doom and gloom, you are automatically rude, lying, or ~*speaking for everyone*~. Nope. You are doing EXACTLY to me what I just did to you. I commented in here saying its good for me, just like you commented saying its bad for you. Yet you're the one writing these paragraphs to me about how ~*I'm wrong*~ for speaking for all cam girls (when I'm not), yet I'm not doing that to you. Its called perspective.

Its the same shit I see on twitter with @streamate. A couple girls tweeting him being like omg its so horrible!!! And then he replied "umm other girls are doing fine..." and then then they call him a liar.




My guess is your doing better because you feel better. And it translates to the guys in your room. SM has been making it very difficult to do.

Yes, and that is the truth. Just most girls (not directed at OP) refuse to come to terms with that concept. Customers can read your body language. In fact, if your words don't match your body language, they are still going to believe your body language over your words.

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 05:55 PM
You have no idea how the dating traffic effects other performers. Clearly it has a negative effect since so many performers are commenting on it. You seem to think if you and a group of people you know don't get effected by it, then it isn't real and it must be them. I've been on Streamate for years too and a majority of the performers I know have mentioned this traffic sucks. I'm sure they will adjust in time but I find it so rude you typically seem to blame the cam performers.

Yes you have mentioned tech issues in other threads and once again because you weren't having them implied once again it must be on the cam performers end.




Umm that was about paying traffic, not tech issues lol.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 05:55 PM
You seem to think if you and a group of people you know don't get effected by it, then it isn't real and it must be them.

Nice words in my mouth. Maybe I should not respond?

I give MY opinion based off MY experiences (and other experiences of cam girls I have seen firsthand), and suddenly ~*I'm wrong*~ or ~*speaking for everyone*~. Nope. Bye.

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 06:01 PM
You put the words in your own mouth doll. No one said you were wrong, but you seem to think other performers are wrong or suck if their experiences are different from yours and your friends.

"So if it is usually stable or good for all of us, why would it randomly be bad for random other people 24/7?? That makes no sense. It HAS to be that they have a poor attitude or look like they are in a bad mood while on cam. And if you're new, you have to put in hours and build up regulars or at least build up your placement"





Nice words in my mouth. Sorry but I am not responding to you anymore.

I give MY opinion based off MY experiences (and other experiences of cam girls I have seen firsthand), and suddenly ~*I'm wrong*~ or ~*speaking for everyone*~. Nope. Bye.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:06 PM
"So if it is usually stable or good for all of us, why would it randomly be bad for random other people 24/7?? That makes no sense. It HAS to be that they have a poor attitude or look like they are in a bad mood while on cam. And if you're new, you have to put in hours and build up regulars or at least build up your placement"

It was a question. A serious question. Because what else is the process of elimination here?

Its not like random girls are getting all the paying customers, while other girls aren't. In fact, that would not even be possible because, even if that was happening, NO ONE can predict what a potential paying customer is looking for in a show or a girl anyway. NO ONE can predict if he will actually spend or not.

So it HAS to come down to attitude or body language. It HAS to. That will affect your paying traffic, and thus affect your placement as well. Being in a good mood, interacting a lot, talking or typing a lot, looking like you are having a good time. I swear, I have been a lot of girls who I see complain's rooms, and they are bitchy, cold, pissed off, short, and not very interactive. I see it with my own eyes.

That is all I have to say about that matter.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 06:09 PM
i think ur getting attacked because IMO ur seeing things in black and white like ok because im doing good and some other girls a i know are doing good then it just be us doing something wrong when IMO its the fact that ladies that have been around for years like u and some others have the fan base and good regs thats keeping u going but everyone else who doesnt and is new and trying to make it work are hurting bad right now . I personally dont think Kay myself or the others are doing anything wrong but when ur working for a company thats advertising free services and ur cleintille expects it all for free and then come in and find out its not of course theyre doing leave they weren't expecting that they think theyre credit card on file is being billed for our services (I think). I have asked multiple times if i look bored or what not on cam and everyone is saying no and i know my hustle is good because the lines i say and what i do work sometimes when they know whats up arent from dating site traffic im amusing. but the longer they advertise like this the more those types of men are going to be a part of the site or the more sign ups and leavers i guess u can call them theyre going to get . if they dont stop this might be the beginning of the end the tops that have fanbases cant keep the business afloat forever

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:11 PM
but when ur working for a company thats advertising free services and ur cleintille expects it all for free and then come in and find out its not of course theyre doing leave they weren't expecting that they think theyre credit card on file is being billed for our services (I think).

but the longer they advertise like this the more those types of men are going to be a part of the site or the more sign ups and leavers i guess u can call them theyre going to get . if they dont stop this might be the beginning of the end the tops that have fanbases cant keep the business afloat forever

Advertising on dating sites isn't a new thing. They were doing that 2 years ago. I've even talked about it on here (back then) and saw others talk about it to. I can pull up the threads if you want.

Streamate is still advertising on tube sites and other sites that bring in traffic. They may also be advertising new places, but I still see Streamate pop ups on a bunch of sites.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 06:13 PM
i just think theyre doing it more now tho the balance between dating traffic and paying traffic is off IMO

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:14 PM
i just think theyre doing it more now tho the balance between dating traffic and paying traffic is off IMO

How come only certain girls experience that then? That just makes no sense. I'm not blaming anyone. It just does not make sense why certain girls (all the ones I've seen in person) have not experienced that.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 06:17 PM
have they been around awhile like a year or more?

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:22 PM
have they been around awhile like a year or more?

Who? A customer or a cam girl? One of the cam girls was camming on an account she made less than a year ago with a different stage name and look, yes.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 06:23 PM
the cam girls ur talking to who say theyre doing well

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:24 PM
the cam girls ur talking to who say theyre doing well

Me, no. Others, yes:


Who? A customer or a cam girl? One of the cam girls was camming on an account she made less than a year ago with a different stage name and look, yes.

Another girl who was doing well made a new account because she left a studio. It was a new name also.

Blovely
10-07-2013, 06:27 PM
@Glamour Are the women you are talking about top/first page models?

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 06:34 PM
@Glamour Are the women you are talking about top/first page models?

One of the 2 is. The other was at the bottom of page 1 because she is building her placement back up

SoloDesire
10-07-2013, 06:41 PM
I sit and watch TOP girls on SM and listen to them talk about how awful and slow its been lately. So it's definitely a wide spread effect. If you're still doing great on there then consider yourself lucky because most are feeling the effects of a dry spell. I'm making half of what I was making a month or so ago...and I'm not doing anything different and not having any tech issues. I haven't even seen most of my regulars lately. Not sure what's causing the change...but there is definitely a change happening.

kortneykay
10-07-2013, 06:49 PM
Umm that was about paying traffic, not tech issues lol. Did I mention or imply tech issues even once? No. Those happen, but they aren't a deal breaker.





Yeeeeep! Here come all the attacks. One girl says she's doing well and then an army come out of no wear to *try* and make her feel bad about it, or at least about writing it.

Duh, I can only speak for myself and everyone I;ve met/seen personally. But everyone in this thread is saying how horrible Streamate is for everyone, and all I'm doing is saying its not. Girls mentioning they are going to contact the BBB and complain to Streamate because something is ~*seriously wrong*~. And here I am saying someone of us are doing well and haven't noticed a change.

Its like, if you don't agree with the doom and gloom, you are automatically rude, lying, or ~*speaking for everyone*~. Nope. You are doing EXACTLY to me what I just did to you. I commented in here saying its good for me, just like you commented saying its bad for you. Yet you're the one writing these paragraphs to me about how ~*I'm wrong*~ for speaking for all cam girls (when I'm not), yet I'm not doing that to you. Its called perspective.

Its the same shit I see on twitter with @streamate. A couple girls tweeting him being like omg its so horrible!!! And then he replied "umm other girls are doing fine..." and then then they call him a liar

Woah, pump the breaks. I never once called you a liar GR, and you have the right to your own opinion but this isn't the first post where you claimed you and your friends were doing fantastic and everyone else just needed to "fix" themselves to get on your level. Your exact words were:

So if it is usually stable or good for all of us, why would it randomly be bad for random other people 24/7?? That makes no sense. It HAS to be that they have a poor attitude or look like they are in a bad mood while on cam.

I never once said you speak for everyone and I certainly don't but you mentioned "all of us"did you not? You stated that you and your friends weren't feeling anything different in your years of camming, with the same placement and traffic and that everyone who was having changes must be because they are in a bad mood, or have a poor attitude. That's what you said. I'm here to tell you again, so maybe it sets in this time that your "explanation" is not the ONLY reason SOME people aren't doing as great as you and your friends are. Well garsh, slap me in the face and call me Rumpelstiltskin, your pussies must spin gold!

Let me make it clear to you so you understand me. I don't care if you're making $5 per day, or $5k. I would never make you "feel bad" for making the money you make as I literally could give two shits about your income. Your income doesn't hurt mine. I don't get jealous because I'm a confident, beautiful woman and another woman's success is not something I care, or worry about. There are plenty of brag forums on here and you never see me picketing the posts on there. Whatever you make, I'm happy for you because you earned it. I'm not apart of this invisible army you're speaking of. It sounds like you have some insecurities bb if you think I or anyone else is worried about your success because we aren't.

My reply to you wasn't to bring you down, or make you feel some kind of way because you aren't feeling a change in your income. I'm here to tell you that there are people who ARE and you should be ashamed for yourself by claiming that the only reason girls aren't doing well is because their attitude sucks. I'm here to tell you that IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE MODEL. I do not believe that a model's ability to earn money on cam falls only on her attitude. There are other factors that come in to play. You yourself said that you have an occasional bad day. Does that mean you had a stank attitude the whole time? No, that just means you had a bad day and for others, it's more than one day. Your claim on attitude being the only factor in low earnings/popularity doesn't line up. If so, please explain why so many amazing models who log on daily with a smile on their face and a perfect attentive attitude are still coming up short some days.


And last and not least, If I want to write long paragraphs to replies to yours and anyone else's response, that's my prerogative. I was unaware of any etiquette on replying and with the track record that you have doing the same, that's a bit left field of you don't you think?

ETA: "Duh" is on you. You spoke for everyone or shall I say "all of us" and I never said I was doing "bad" on cam, only that I had to add more sites to my list. $150-250+ a day isn't bad for me.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 06:51 PM
It just does not make sense why certain girls (all the ones I've seen in person) have not experienced that.

Correlation does not imply causation

Rina
10-07-2013, 06:54 PM
It was a question. A serious question. Because what else is the process of elimination here?

Its not like random girls are getting all the paying customers, while other girls aren't. In fact, that would not even be possible because, even if that was happening, NO ONE can predict what a potential paying customer is looking for in a show or a girl anyway. NO ONE can predict if he will actually spend or not.

So it HAS to come down to attitude or body language. It HAS to. That will affect your paying traffic, and thus affect your placement as well. Being in a good mood, interacting a lot, talking or typing a lot, looking like you are having a good time. I swear, I have been a lot of girls who I see complain's rooms, and they are bitchy, cold, pissed off, short, and not very interactive. I see it with my own eyes.

That is all I have to say about that matter.
In essence I agree with that if a site isn't working a model has to make changes until she finds what works up to an including leaving the site. you but to be fair it could also come down to time of day, hours worked, and niche. For example when I worked SM the hours that were good for me weren't the typical popular hours, because most of my regs were from the UK. Changing my hours improved my money and it was the only thing I changed, so for me improving didn't involve changing me but the way I worked. Of course that is on the model to find her better hours. If SM's current traffic isn't working for you the best bet for any model is to explore other options because if I may paraphrase Showgirls. "I don't care if you if live or die. I only got one interest and that's the Streamate." that's about how they feel, and so do most other sites.

That said I don't believe in staying on a site that doesn't work for you. If you truly believe it's the site it's time to move on. I also believe in promoting myself and pushing my own traffic. OP in the end if SM isn't working for you, don't be afraid to move to site that works better. One girl's dead site is another girl's goldmine. I've discovered I can make at least some money on any site, because I don't accept not making money, so it's a matter of how much I have to work for it. I look for the site that yields the most money with the least effort. It's a matter of what works for you.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:09 PM
It was a question. A serious question. Because what else is the process of elimination here?


In the process of elimination? There are many different variables that could be causing the current result we are seeing. I can think of one right off the top of my head. It could have something to do with the fact that Streamate has changed its main datebase in a major way over the last year to accommodate its new app and the television channel users. A major code change that always rolls out with major glitches.

Also, how big is your current sample size of girls that you are polling as your 'control' group? If it less than 20 then the results you are getting back will probably have a bias.

I truly do not mean this to come off as an attack in anyway. Just sharing my personal 2 cents.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 07:15 PM
GlamourRouge - how do u think a model w/o a fanbase can build up her placement when most ppl comming on the site want it all for free because of this dating site traffic? The longer ur on the more ur paid time % goes down and the more u get pushed down in the listings. If more ppl are joining the site expecting it all for free and not willing to take the models into a paid show then the model gets put on a hamster wheel - stay on longer to try get regs to build up placement - dating traffic: ASS NOW TITS NOW FREE CHAT IM NOT GIVING GOLD! $? THATS NOT FREE I WANT MY FREE PUSSY NOW - placement goes now rinse and repeat. Thats pretty much what seems to be going on right now. How do u break that cycle? and like JAC this isnt to attack u its asking for ur expert opinion

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:20 PM
GlamourRouge - how do u think a model w/o a fanbase can build up her placement when most ppl comming on the site want it all for free because of this dating site traffic?

I just watched my roommate do it with her new account. I saw it with my own eyes. I also trained another girl who started on SM in May. We (the 3 of us) told her how to do everything possible, and sure enough she was in like row 2 or 3 after like 2 weeks.




Of course that is on the model to find her better hours.

If SM's current traffic isn't working for you the best bet for any model is to explore other options

That said I don't believe in staying on a site that doesn't work for you. If you truly believe it's the site it's time to move on.

One girl's dead site is another girl's goldmine.

It's a matter of what works for you.

And that's what I'm saying. I'm saying if its not working for you (not you, but the ones complaining), and it IS working for others, then its time to move on or find something that is working for you, because you aren't or are no longer a good match for the site.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:22 PM
GlamourRouge - how do u think a model w/o a fanbase can build up her placement when most ppl comming on the site want it all for free because of this dating site traffic? The longer ur on the more ur paid time % goes down and the more u get pushed down in the listings. If more ppl are joining the site expecting it all for free and not willing to take the models into a paid show then the model gets put on a hamster wheel - stay on longer to try get regs to build up placement - dating traffic: ASS NOW TITS NOW FREE CHAT IM NOT GIVING GOLD! $? THATS NOT FREE I WANT MY FREE PUSSY NOW - placement goes now rinse and repeat. Thats pretty much what seems to be going on right now. How do u break that cycle? and like JAC this isnt to attack u its asking for ur expert opinion

I know you asked GR this question.....but I have to say that I am in total agreement with GR that the dating traffic thing is not new. I personally have not noticed a huge increase in guys asking for free stuff then there was when I started as a camgirl two years ago. What I have noticed is a decrease in traffic in general which is what probably makes it appear that way because those guys are so vocal in the first place.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:23 PM
I personally have not noticed a huge increase in guys asking for free stuff then there was when I started as a camgirl two years ago.

Yeah I think that started coming around when SM adopted more of the MFC model- when gold shows were introduced.

kortneykay
10-07-2013, 07:23 PM
GlamourRouge - how do u think a model w/o a fanbase can build up her placement when most ppl comming on the site want it all for free because of this dating site traffic? The longer ur on the more ur paid time % goes down and the more u get pushed down in the listings. If more ppl are joining the site expecting it all for free and not willing to take the models into a paid show then the model gets put on a hamster wheel - stay on longer to try get regs to build up placement - dating traffic: ASS NOW TITS NOW FREE CHAT IM NOT GIVING GOLD! $? THATS NOT FREE I WANT MY FREE PUSSY NOW - placement goes now rinse and repeat. Thats pretty much what seems to be going on right now. How do u break that cycle? and like JAC this isnt to attack u its asking for ur expert opinion

You can't ask expert advice from someone who's never experienced a slow day in their life snowy ;)

In all seriousness, I haven't had to deal with dating traffic. The guys never tell me where they found me and I greet each and every one with a smile with my FULL attention. All I can say is that SM has a lot of ways of driving traffic to their sites. Dating traffic isn't SM's main source, remember we have white labels paying for their traffic, blogging, SEO, etc. as well. I do know that for a LOT of us, not all, that converting traffic, which is all that matters, has dissipated or come to a slow down.

Blovely
10-07-2013, 07:25 PM
One of the 2 is. The other was at the bottom of page 1 because she is building her placement back up

In the process of elimination? There are many different variables that could be causing the current result we are seeing. I can think of one right off the top of my head. It could have something to do with the fact that Streamate has changed its main datebase in a major way over the last year to accommodate its new app and the television channel users. A major code change that always rolls out with major glitches.


Also, how big is your current sample size of girls that you are polling as your 'control' group? If it less than 20 then the results you are getting back will probably have a bias.


I truly do not mean this to come off as an attack in anyway. Just sharing my personal 2 cents.


I was going to say that if the women you were talking about were top/first page models that maybe why the aren't having traffic/money issues. My theory is if you are on the first page and or in the top couple of rows then you will get more traffic because you're seen first. Models on the first page and or top rows aren't going to feel the pinch like some who are on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc page would or at least they aren't going to be the first to feel it. Kind of like a corporate scale....I guess. I do believe that there could possibly be a bias.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:26 PM
In the process of elimination? There are many different variables that could be causing the current result we are seeing. I can think of one right off the top of my head. It could have something to do with the fact that Streamate has changed its main datebase in a major way over the last year to accommodate its new app and the television channel users. A major code change that always rolls out with major glitches.

Yes, but why would that affect some girls and not others? That makes no sense?



Also, how big is your current sample size of girls that you are polling as your 'control' group? If it less than 20 then the results you are getting back will probably have a bias.

It was definitely more than 20. As you know, I was in chatzy. I am actually a member of 6 different chatzys where I have talked to girls. 2 of those chatzys almost every day I went in to talk to girls for 2 years. Now I only go 1 in chatzy, and its neither of those 2. Not to mention the girls I PM and DM with.

SweetPinkCupcake
10-07-2013, 07:26 PM
Lol, shaking my head so hard at all the negative girls in here. Seriously. It is SO true, whenever somebody says Streamate is okay for them they all attack. 'NO IT IS NOT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND IT IS SOOOO HORRIBLE FOR ALL THESE OTHER GIRLS, TOO!"

WELL, did you ever stop to think that you MAKE it that way because you have that ATTITUDE? I know JaneBurgess is the queen of negativeness. You are always in a bad mood, who would want to pay for that?

I took a LONG, LONG break from camming, and I STILL rarely cam. My placement dropped down several pages because I have not logged on in months. When I get on I STILL average around what I used to. I don't log on in an awful, cranky mood.

So Streamate had some changes. I personally have not seen an influx in all of this 'DATING' traffic you all speak of, it HAS always been there. I think you girls on here are bringing it to much attention so that is what you think in your head whenever you log on.

I don't think a lot of girls are set out for camming. I really do not. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and telling you to work on Streamate and enjoy it. So, don't. Get a job you don't cry about or quit camming. Easy!

SweetPinkCupcake
10-07-2013, 07:28 PM
I was going to say that if the women you were talking about were top/first page models that maybe why the aren't having traffic/money issues. My theory is if you are on the first page and or in the top couple of role then you will get more traffic because you're seen first. Models on the first page and or top rows aren't going to feel the pinch like some who are on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc page would or at least they're aren't going to be the first to feel it. Kinda of like a corporate scale....I guess. I do believe that there could possibly be a bias.

Nope. I was on page 3 last week and still did well. Just saying.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 07:28 PM
I know you asked GR this question.....but I have to say that I am in total agreement with GR that the dating traffic thing is not new. I personally have not noticed a huge increase in guys asking for free stuff then there was when I started as a camgirl two years ago. What I have noticed is a decrease in traffic in general which is what probably makes it appear that way because those guys are so vocal in the first place.

i see well that explains a lot then. But that comes the next question - why the decrease in traffic ? :/

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:29 PM
You can't ask expert advice from someone who's never experienced a slow day in their life snowy ;)

Yeah, you're definitely reading my posts before commenting lol:
"I have a bad day here or there, but usually if I log on later or log in early the next day, it is back to normal."



I was going to say that if the women you were talking about were top/first page models that maybe why the aren't having traffic/money issues. My theory is if you are on the first page and or in the top couple of role then you will get more traffic because you're seen first.

But they all aren't. I said so HERE:



i see well that explains a lot then. But that comes the next question - why the decrease in traffic ? :/

Why would some girls experience a decrease and others not though? That is what I do not understand. Its a real question.

kortneykay
10-07-2013, 07:32 PM
No worries GR, I said what I said, and you said what you said. It's clear for everyone to see. I'm over it.

SweetPinkCupcake
10-07-2013, 07:33 PM
^ It is because they have that stuck in their head, or they think it is soooooo bad and there is noooo traffic so they log on with this rude attitude that makes guys treat them like shit because they log on, are rude, and expect money to be thrown at them just because they turned their webcam on. This is still a sales job. I think a lot of girls do not realize that

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:34 PM
Lol, shaking my head so hard at all the negative girls in here. Seriously. It is SO true, whenever somebody says Streamate is okay for them they all attack. 'NO IT IS NOT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND IT IS SOOOO HORRIBLE FOR ALL THESE OTHER GIRLS, TOO!"

WELL, did you ever stop to think that you MAKE it that way because you have that ATTITUDE? I know JaneBurgess is the queen of negativeness. You are always in a bad mood, who would want to pay for that?

I took a LONG, LONG break from camming, and I STILL rarely cam. My placement dropped down several pages because I have not logged on in months. When I get on I STILL average around what I used to. I don't log on in an awful, cranky mood.

So Streamate had some changes. I personally have not seen an influx in all of this 'DATING' traffic you all speak of, it HAS always been there. I think you girls on here are bringing it to much attention so that is what you think in your head whenever you log on.

I don't think a lot of girls are set out for camming. I really do not. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and telling you to work on Streamate and enjoy it. So, don't. Get a job you don't cry about or quit camming. Easy!

Actually, when I was in Jane's state (at least where she says she lives- and a city very close by too), I literally PMed her and invited her over to my friend's house (with my friend of course) who was a cam girl, because we wanted to help Jane out since she was complaining that her placement was low and she wasn't making money. We seriously tried to help her out and were willing to have her watch us cam and she could cam with us if she wanted to. She didn't take us up on the offer.

kortneykay
10-07-2013, 07:36 PM
^ It is because they have that stuck in their head, or they think it is soooooo bad and there is noooo traffic so they log on with this rude attitude that makes guys treat them like shit because they log on, are rude, and expect money to be thrown at them just because they turned their webcam on. This is still a sales job. I think a lot of girls do not realize that

Please speak for the girls with the attitudes, not the girls who don't have an attitude and still come up short.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:37 PM
Yes, but why would that affect some girls and not others? That makes no sense?

Why a lot of girls that you (and I both know) make for a poor control sample

1. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are on the first page. Our traffic is not anywhere similar to the traffic of girls on other pages. I've doubled my income in the last couple weeks by simply going from the middle of page two to the middle of page one.

2. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are experienced camgirls who are used to dealing with the ebb and flow of traffic and money are able to change their hustles accordingly.

3. Correlation does not imply causation.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 07:38 PM
Why would some girls experience a decrease and others not though? That is what I do not understand. Its a real question.

i dunno im seeing a decrease in paying traffic not traffic overall i dont think its me but maybe it is are u saying it has to be me if thats whats happening (be honest)? or just i need to be on longer and 'do my time' so i can work up to making more in less amount of time?

Blovely
10-07-2013, 07:40 PM
I personally have not noticed a huge increase in guys asking for free stuff then there was when I started as a camgirl two years ago. What I have noticed is a decrease in traffic in general which is what probably makes it appear that way because those guys are so vocal in the first place.


In all seriousness, I haven't had to deal with dating traffic.

Agreed. I haven't notice a huge increase in guys asking for free stuff either. I'm use to ass bb/turn around, tits bb, can you stand up/stand up, etc. What I've noticed and what my issue is, is the decrease in traffic. I've been on SM for a while an there use to be alot more traffic years ago. Over the last couple of years I've noticed that its slowly dwindling. I've watched other models who had higher placement and more of a extroverted attitude then me and they had the same or close to the same amount of traffic that I did. My issue isn't necessary the dating traffic its the fact that the traffic they had before was larger. I don't think SM is pushing enough traffic to the site.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:41 PM
Why a lot of girls that you (and I both know) make for a poor control sample

1. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are on the first page. Our traffic is not anywhere similar to the traffic of girls on other pages. I've doubled my income in the last couple weeks by simply going from the middle of page two to the middle of page one.

2. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are experienced camgirls who are used to dealing with the ebb and flow of traffic and money are able to change their hustles accordingly.

3. Correlation does not imply causation.

That chatzy is only like 10% of the ones I talk to or know or met personally though.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 07:43 PM
Agreed. I haven't notice a huge increase of guys asking for free stuff either. I'm use to ass bb/turn around, tits bb, can you stand up/stand up, etc. What I noticed and my issue is the decrease in traffic. I've been on SM for a while an there use to be alot more traffic years ago. Over the last couple of years I noticed that its slowly dwindling. I watched other models who had higher placement and more of a extroverted attitude then me and they had the same or close to the same amount of traffic that I did. My issue isn't necessary the dating traffic its the fact that the traffic they had before was larger. I don't think SM is pushing enough traffic to the site.

Traffic isn't correlated with paying traffic though. I often have lower traffic randomly, or SM fucks up and I don't even show up on page 1 and then I would still have a guy take me pvt.

Also, if traffic is dwindling in general, it might be because there are more models. But, there would still be the same amount of paying traffic in that case most likely, which means you would just need to be very interactive and hustle a lot to keep them in your room and take them pvt. That is what I'm personally not seeing when I go into girl's rooms who are complaining about it being slow. They look unhappy, mad, mean, and make rude comments.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:44 PM
Lol, shaking my head so hard at all the negative girls in here. Seriously. It is SO true, whenever somebody says Streamate is okay for them they all attack. 'NO IT IS NOT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND IT IS SOOOO HORRIBLE FOR ALL THESE OTHER GIRLS, TOO!"

WELL, did you ever stop to think that you MAKE it that way because you have that ATTITUDE? I know JaneBurgess is the queen of negativeness. You are always in a bad mood, who would want to pay for that?

I took a LONG, LONG break from camming, and I STILL rarely cam. My placement dropped down several pages because I have not logged on in months. When I get on I STILL average around what I used to. I don't log on in an awful, cranky mood.

So Streamate had some changes. I personally have not seen an influx in all of this 'DATING' traffic you all speak of, it HAS always been there. I think you girls on here are bringing it to much attention so that is what you think in your head whenever you log on.

I don't think a lot of girls are set out for camming. I really do not. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and telling you to work on Streamate and enjoy it. So, don't. Get a job you don't cry about or quit camming. Easy!

Does that apply to me too? I mean I don't agree with either you or GR at all so that puts me in the 'negative group' right? But yet there I am on the first page and I am sure you've noticed I haven't complained at all about the money I am making. I am more than happy with it.

Hmmm, seems to be a big flaw in your logic there.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:50 PM
That chatzy is only like 10% of the ones I talk to or know or met personally though.

Um......okay. I still stand by my original points though.

kortneykay
10-07-2013, 07:51 PM
Does that apply to me too? I mean I don't agree with either you or GR at all so that puts me in the 'negative group' right? But yet there I am on the first page and I am sure you've noticed I haven't complained at all about the money I am making. I am more than happy with it.

Hmmm, seems to be a big flaw in your logic there.
You took the words out of my mind bb. Disagreeing with someone on facts isn't being negative. I'm always on the first page too. The truth is, there are some models who are very positive and outgoing with their custies, this doesn't mean they don't have financially bad days. As a sales person, sometimes the people just don't want to buy the product. It doesn't mean your approach was any less than good.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 07:54 PM
You took the words out of my mind bb. Disagreeing with someone on facts isn't being negative. I'm always on the first page too. The truth is, there are some models who are very positive and outgoing with their custies, this doesn't mean they don't have financially bad days. As a sales person, sometimes the people just don't want to buy the product. It doesn't mean your approach was any less than good.

The thing I find the funniest is that the things that GR complains that girls do in free chat that is preventing them from making any money is literally my hustle these days for making money.

Blovely
10-07-2013, 07:55 PM
But they all aren't. I said so HERE: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?187481-Streamate-s-making-me-want-to-cry&p=2544917&viewfull=1#post2544917

I comprehended what you posted. You said one has top placement and the other is on the bottom of the first page. I said top row and or first page models.

gingerstripper
10-07-2013, 07:55 PM
I havent been on for two weeks and was curious if my placement is going to go down? Ive been out do to my body going haywire...
Usually on 3rd row front page so i dont know if i should worry about my placement because i havent been on for 2 weeks?

HaydenBlue
10-07-2013, 07:59 PM
I kind of agree with both sides.

I've noticed a slight dip, and I do have bad days (yesterday night was one of my worst nights/averages ever) but it hasn't been consistently bad for me though. I empathize with the SM issues and glitches, I've had my share of them too - and still dealing with one dumb glitch that won't go away. I don't understand why some girls can be glitch free for days/months and others are constantly having glitches - that really sucks and there doesn't seem to be any sort of rhyme or reason to it.

But my biggest thing is about the dating traffic....if you complain about that traffic angle ruining your $$ but you aren't adapting to it and changing your hustle to it, you're shooting yourself in the foot IMO.

My point/example...I think we all know of a cammodel who has not adapted to change (and still flat out refuses to change - she is stuck on her ways of when traffic was at the beginning of camming ) yet continues day-after-day to moan that the site is dead and blames the issues on the site, when she's totally gorgeous could easily start banking if she'd change her hustle around.

It's camming darwinism. I think the dating site traffic is here to stay for a long time - like I mentioned before...they aren't coming to us for just pussy on the net anymore - that is boring now, the new thing drawing them in is that we might meet them. I really don't see any owner trying to change that traffic angle around anytime soon - if ever?



Edit to add: I know SM seems like they are stricter on placement and how ratings and things effect you ( I listened to another model bring this up earlier today ) If I get dinged with a couple of 1 or 2 stars I'm dropping down to a 4.5 overall. But I have plenty of 5 stars and have never had my star rating get so easily effected before...so they may be stepping up the 'rat race' and making things a little tougher for us. Just a thought to throw out there.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 08:06 PM
The thing I find the funniest is that the things that GR complains that girls do in free chat that is preventing them from making any money is literally my hustle these days for making money.

If I remember correctly, whenever I was in chatzy with you, majority of the time you were complaining you weren't making any money and were also being negative. A lot of other girls had an issue with it to. I never had an issue with it, but many vented to me. So I don't understand...