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GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 08:07 PM
I havent been on for two weeks and was curious if my placement is going to go down? Ive been out do to my body going haywire...
Usually on 3rd row front page so i dont know if i should worry about my placement because i havent been on for 2 weeks?

Its a gamble. I posted a weird glitch thing in a streamate thread in verified to help your placement from dropping. It works for me at least. You can PM if you want the link.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 08:09 PM
Its a gamble. I posted a weird glitch thing in a streamate thread in verified to help your placement from dropping. It works for me at least. You can PM if you want the link.

i read that in the verified SM thread and i already told it to her in PM

gingerstripper
10-07-2013, 08:13 PM
thank you guys.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:16 PM
I just wanted to take a moment to clarify.

I don't want anyone to think that I am personally bashing GR or SPC. While I don't agree with either of their opinions that 'it isn't Streamate that is sucking, it is you that is the problem' that doesn't change the fact that they are both amazing camgirls.

I think Haydie has brought up some really great points about adaptation.

We all work a commission job and whether or not we hate the 'changes' that the sites has gone through is irrelevant. It is now the reality we need to adjust our hustles to.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with complaining and gnashing your teeth at the crappiness of current situation but you have to make sure that after you are done you allow it to make you better and not bitter.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:17 PM
If I remember correctly, whenever I was in chatzy with you, majority of the time you were complaining you weren't making any money and were also being negative. A lot of other girls had an issue with it to. I never had an issue with it, but many vented to me. So I don't understand...

Oh my goodness......really? You are going to make this completely personal now?

I really expected better from you.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 08:18 PM
Oh my goodness......really? You are going to make this completely personal now?

I really expected better from you.

No, this isn't personal. You said the same things on SW as there. I'm just saying what you said doesn't make sense to me bc of that.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:19 PM
No, this isn't personal. You said the same things on SM as there. I'm just saying what you said doesn't make sense to me bc of that.

Well, maybe you didn't know the Chatzy girls as well as you thought you did. I guess.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 08:20 PM
Well, maybe you didn't know the Chatzy girls as well as you thought you did. I guess.

What are you talking about? lol. I've met many in person and still talk to several from there. I even live with one.

In order to not derail the thread, you can PM me about this further if you are concerned. Its always good to get all sides to every story before forming thoughts or opinions.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:22 PM
What are you talking about? lol. I've met many in person and still talk to several from there.

Well, because it turned out that it was all a big misunderstanding on the part of some of the girls. If you still talk to several of them I am sure that they will clear it all up for you then.

Blovely
10-07-2013, 08:24 PM
^ It is because they have that stuck in their head, or they think it is soooooo bad and there is noooo traffic so they log on with this rude attitude that makes guys treat them like shit because they log on, are rude, and expect money to be thrown at them just because they turned their webcam on. This is still a sales job. I think a lot of girls do not realize that
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I am not rude to customers unless they're being assholes. Even then I try really hard to avoid being rude because I don't want to give anyone a free humiliation show plus going off on guys messes up my attitude. I usually just kick or ban guys instead of being rude. If my attitude is to the point of crankiness/moodiness then I log off and come back when I feel better.

I don't expect money to be thrown at me either. I don't type I talk, I smile and look straight into the camera as if I were looking into a person's eyes, I say hi how are you when guys come into my room, and I do requests for gold. I've even been making it a point to myself to be more flirty, teasing and to get up an move around more instead of just sitting on/in my chair.

So ummm yeah I fully realize that this is a sales job.





Why a lot of girls that you (and I both know) make for a poor control sample

1. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are on the first page. Our traffic is not anywhere similar to the traffic of girls on other pages. I've doubled my income in the last couple weeks by simply going from the middle of page two to the middle of page one.

2. A lot of girls that you (and I both know) are experienced camgirls who are used to dealing with the ebb and flow of traffic and money are able to change their hustles accordingly.

3. Correlation does not imply causation.

@ the bold
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justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:26 PM
In order to not derail the thread, you can PM me about this further if you are concerned. Its always good to get all sides to every story before forming thoughts or opinions.

Just to clarify, you are confused because you haven't heard me complain about the money I've made from SM in months but somehow you are confused because of something someone said months ago?

Now I am confused!

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 08:29 PM
I personally have nothing against you but your postings seem so black and white. Could the performers suck? Sure. Could traffic suck? Sure. Could it be something in the middle? Sure. I don't always think it's the performers fault because it is happening to a very large group of performers and damn good performers that have great personalities. Dating traffic isn't new to the site, but the fact that almost all the traffic is from dating sites is new. They used to buy traffic from a wide varirty of sources. It's not smart to run ad's saying your cam site is a dating site or running ad's saying free in it over ten times. That tends to over time not bring in the best of customers and I believe that's what the site is experiencing now.

No one ever said it was bad for everyone, but the fact is something on the site has changed. I think it's a mix of glitches, different traffic, more performers online, cheaper customers, etc.



It was a question. A serious question. Because what else is the process of elimination here?

Its not like random girls are getting all the paying customers, while other girls aren't. In fact, that would not even be possible because, even if that was happening, NO ONE can predict what a potential paying customer is looking for in a show or a girl anyway. NO ONE can predict if he will actually spend or not.

So it HAS to come down to attitude or body language. It HAS to. That will affect your paying traffic, and thus affect your placement as well. Being in a good mood, interacting a lot, talking or typing a lot, looking like you are having a good time. I swear, I have been a lot of girls who I see complain's rooms, and they are bitchy, cold, pissed off, short, and not very interactive. I see it with my own eyes.

That is all I have to say about that matter.

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 08:43 PM
First off you didn't PM me. You came onto Streamate, in my free chat area and started talking to me under a customer account. Which I found to be rude since I didn't ask for your help, nor are we friends. Then you told me who you were and asked if I wanted to meet up. Why would I? You clearly think that anyone that has a hard time on cam pretty much sucks. Not exacty the friendly attitude that most cam performers want to learn from.

I also never complained my placement was low, I said it was bouncing around. That seems to be happening to a lot of people recently. I also never said I wasn't making money, you really need to get your info straight before you post bullshit online. If I wanted to watch someone online I would watch S.C, K.K, H.B, or one of the other performers who are ranked higher than you and don't seem to have such a smug attitude. Get over yourself already, seriously.




Actually, when I was in Jane's state (at least where she says she lives- and a city very close by too), I literally PMed her and invited her over to my friend's house (with my friend of course) who was a cam girl, because we wanted to help Jane out since she was complaining that her placement was low and she wasn't making money. We seriously tried to help her out and were willing to have her watch us cam and she could cam with us if she wanted to. She didn't take us up on the offer.

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 08:47 PM
First off you didn't PM me. You came onto Streamate, in my free chat area and started talking to me under a customer account. Which I found to be rude since I didn't ask for your help, nor are we friends. Then you told me who you were and asked if I wanted to meet up. Why would I? You clearly think that anyone that has a hard time on cam pretty much sucks. Not exacty the friendly attitude that most cam performers want to learn from.

I also never complained my placement was low, I said it was bouncing around. That seems to be happening to a lot of people recently. I also never said I wasn't making money, you really need to get your info straight before you post bullshit online. If I wanted to watch someone online I would watch S.C, K.K, H.B, or one of the other performers who are ranked higher than you and don't seem to have such a smug attitude. Get over yourself already, seriously.

I did PM you first, but then the site went down and lost like 2 weeks worth of data (including PMs) the very next day, which is why I came into your cam room. Because I didn't know if you had read it.

If you didn't want help, thats fine. But you can't say I'm not friendly and helpful when I literally invited you over to try and help you out.

And no, I don't think anyone who has a hard time on cam sucks. That is a conclusion you drew on your own. I am more than helpful to girls. I don't claim to know everything, but my method(s) for making money works, and I am always willing to help. Hence the like 7k thanks I have or something idk.

Also, I don't read initials, but if you are talking about girls who only do gold shows, that is not my style. And of course gold shows automatically rank 1st before performers who don't do them at all. I don't even do masturbation shows, so gold shows would not make sense for me.

If you'd like to PM me about this OT thing further, you can do so.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 08:51 PM
um .... -_- this thread has gotten a bit messy um time for silly-ness ... who thinks the OP and has skimmed thru this thread and thought to herself OMG what have I created by starting this thread XD

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 08:53 PM
It's an accurate conclusion based on your own postings. If anyone wants your help then they will ask you. If they don't ask you then they clearly don't want your help. S is the top performer on Streamate and has been for the last couple of years. If I was going to go to ask anyone for help it would be her since she is a friend.

If your method works for you awesome.



I did PM you first, but then the site went down and lost like 2 weeks worth of data (including PMs) the very next day, which is why I came into your cam room. Because I didn't know if you had read it.

And no, I don't think anyone who has a hard time on cam sucks. THat is a conclusion you drew on your own. I am more than helpful to girls. I don't claim to know everything, but my method(s) for making money works, and I am always willing to help. Hence the like 7k thanks I have or something idk.

If you'd like to PM me about this OT thing further, you can do so.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 08:59 PM
um .... -_- this thread has gotten a bit messy um time for silly-ness ... who thinks the OP and has skimmed thru this thread and thought to herself OMG what have I created by starting this thread XD

I guess I just always assume that anyone who posts a thread assumes that even if it is titled something like 'I love kittens!' that it will end up being derailed into something completely different then they ever intended. LOL!

Blovely
10-07-2013, 09:02 PM
um .... -_- this thread has gotten a bit messy um time for silly-ness ... who thinks the OP and has skimmed thru this thread and thought to herself OMG what have I created by starting this thread XD
Its not as messy as it usually gets ;) (that's suppose to be wink btw..its doesn't look like one to me). Its actually quite tame to me.

JaneBurgess
10-07-2013, 09:04 PM
I have to agree. I may not agree with other's opinions but I am not going to all out brawl about it. What's the point?



Its not as messy as it usually gets ;) (that's suppose to be wink btw..its doesn't look like one to me). Its actually quite tame to me.

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 09:27 PM
Oh, and just so everyone is crystal clear on this point......I have never complained about not making any money.

I will always complain about never making enough money but that is because I am amazingly hard on myself and there isn't enough money in the world to satisfy my need to see myself as a 'successful' camgirl.

For reasons that forever confuses me......some people will make the false assumption that my never being satisfied means that I am not happy, that things aren't going well and that I am being 'negative' when in fact I have the personality type that is essentially build to never be content in order to make me always push forward.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 09:29 PM
^ and thats why ur on the first page !

justanothercamgirl
10-07-2013, 09:37 PM
^ and thats why ur on the first page !

Ha ha!

That is sweet of you to say but my being on the first page is mostly because of all the great tips I get from camgirls who are WAY smarter than me about how to improve my hustle and my placement.

I am pretty much a camming entity almost entirely made of great advice. ;)

luscious sadie
10-07-2013, 10:08 PM
y'all are nuts.

Snowy0Star
10-07-2013, 10:09 PM
y'all are nuts.

why 0.0

Blovely
10-07-2013, 10:17 PM
Maybe because we are going back an forth (wouldn't exactly call it arguing) on the internet with somewhat total strangers lol. Its kinda cray cray if you think about it that way.

Shrugs, were just passionate and maybe a little stubborn about our opinion/s. We'd all make for a great debate team.

justanothercamgirl
10-08-2013, 05:08 AM
y'all are nuts.

That may be true.......but you still love us anyway. ;)

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PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-08-2013, 05:40 AM
Actually, when I was in Jane's state (at least where she says she lives- and a city very close by too), I literally PMed her and invited her over to my friend's house (with my friend of course) who was a cam girl, because we wanted to help Jane out since she was complaining that her placement was low and she wasn't making money. We seriously tried to help her out and were willing to have her watch us cam and she could cam with us if she wanted to. She didn't take us up on the offer.

I edited my post because I dont seek to be rude to anyone here.

loveshooks
10-08-2013, 10:45 AM
^^this

I get that internet message boards are about unsolicited advice, we all give it and from time to time are all the recipients of it. Going into a chica's cam room while she's working though...no lie I choked on my coffee reading this thread. Just my two cents, hope everyone is having a wicked $$$ day

GlamourRouge
10-08-2013, 02:57 PM
^^this

I get that internet message boards are about unsolicited advice, we all give it and from time to time are all the recipients of it. Going into a chica's cam room while she's working though...no lie I choked on my coffee reading this thread. Just my two cents, hope everyone is having a wicked $$$ day

Ummm its pretty common practice. And all I said was like "hi check your PMs- idk if you got it because the site went down", tipped her, and left. I don't think that's very unprofessional. Taking 5 seconds out of your life to read a message in your chat room isn't a big deal, christ.

Edited to add: I did NOT go in her room 1st, and I did NOT ever offer unsolicited advice. All I did was, in the SW PM, tell her that I was in her area for an additional 2 weeks and that she was welcome to come over to my friend's house (who is also on SW) and work with us or watch us since she was having trouble getting traffic or making the amount of money she wanted. So if you think that is being rude, cool. I really don't care what others think about it. I also have 2 other people who can confirm this is what happened bc they were there when I wrote the PM and went into the SM room.



Just to clarify, you are confused because you haven't heard me complain about the money I've made from SM in months but somehow you are confused because of something someone said months ago?

Now I am confused!

Again, you can PM me about this further.

GlamourRouge
10-08-2013, 06:04 PM
There were a ton of these kinds of posts 2 years ago. ~*Streamate is sooo slow, traffic is dead*~ and h0ttie made this great thread back then that I'd like to link to:

Snowy0Star
10-08-2013, 06:20 PM
^ thank u for that i just bumped it so the rest of CC who isnt reading this thread can see it too

Ashley_3
10-10-2013, 08:08 AM
I don't know if you've seen that, but I did a couple of times and it's not new. A streamate ad for free cam shows - http://www.thefreecamsecret.com/ap/?DF=0&AFNO=1-0-634122-341541&UHNSMTY=303&stno=1-723-778-2969-1976-1922&sanp=ggo

Snowy0Star
10-10-2013, 08:11 AM
^ thats been around for awhile it was first posted in the SM thread

justanothercamgirl
10-10-2013, 08:58 AM
Again, you can PM me about this further.

You mean the way you should of PM me about stuff I had said privately in Chatzy and what other girls opinions of me in Chatzy were instead of posting it in a public forum for everyone to read?

justanothercamgirl
10-10-2013, 09:28 AM
Ummm its pretty common practice.

In your opinion.

Rosemary Rabbit
10-10-2013, 09:41 AM
But my biggest thing is about the dating traffic....if you complain about that traffic angle ruining your $$ but you aren't adapting to it and changing your hustle to it, you're shooting yourself in the foot IMO.

Indeed! Very good point.

Adapt or Die, and we all have to figure out what is adaptation and what is dying. Is it fair to say that an adaptation to dating traffic is to utilize the fantasy, or to reject it? I'm not pretending I know the answer, but I did take the opposing stance in my room. I'm insanely curious if this will affect me enough by rejecting dating/meeting offers vs. playing into them. There's a positive and a negative here, the positive being that I lock onto some very heavy $$$ potential, the negative being I could have put so many holes in my foot that I fall on my face. It'll be interesting, and really I thank all ya'll for pointing out how dating traffic is NOT the evil I once thought it was. <3

Snowy0Star
10-10-2013, 09:46 AM
i would be more open to it but janes comment about them potentially reporting us into SM for leading them on has me worried to even try this angle . normally what i do if they come off with a "hi im so so . so so years old . where r u bb" i just block them or anything mentioning they want to meet up. these guys are the ones with the money lonely disparate dudes but my model account isnt worth risking it but basically what im asking is it really that much of a risk to try and play this game?

justanothercamgirl
10-10-2013, 09:53 AM
Indeed! Very good point.

Adapt or Die, and we all have to figure out what is adaptation and what is dying. Is it fair to say that an adaptation to dating traffic is to utilize the fantasy, or to reject it? I'm not pretending I know the answer, but I did take the opposing stance in my room. I'm insanely curious if this will affect me enough by rejecting dating/meeting offers vs. playing into them. There's a positive and a negative here, the positive being that I lock onto some very heavy $$$ potential, the negative being I could have put so many holes in my foot that I fall on my face. It'll be interesting, and really I thank all ya'll for pointing out how dating traffic is NOT the evil I once thought it was. <3

This is my 2 cents on the dating traffic......

I tell everyone that asks that I don't meet anyone in real life (since stalkers love to get all McStalkity with me and I really don't want to encourage them) but I never directly 'shut them down'.

I have no problem telling guys that they were duped by Streamate into thinking it was a dating site but I never make it seem that they are idiots for falling for it. I try to make about how 'the both of us' have gotten duped by Streamate (because hey, it is is pretty much the truth....I missed the part in my contract where it said they'd been telling guys that I will fuck them in real life for free) and then I talk about all the reasons I think virtual sex is better than real sex anyway.

I am in no way saying that girls who tell guys that maybe they will meet them after they get to know them better are wrong in the way they hustle. I am just trying to point out that there are ways of telling guys the truth of dating traffic and still be able to use that as a hustle without completely destroying 'the illusion' for them.

RubyTheSexPixie
10-10-2013, 10:49 AM
Woah! A dollar a minute in premium??? Meaning the costumers only paying a dollar??? Is that how girls get on the first page? By charging so little??

CurvyWinona
10-10-2013, 10:52 AM
Woah! A dollar a minute in premium??? Meaning the costumers only paying a dollar??? Is that how girls get on the first page? By charging so little??

no. my placement is always between middle first page and top couple rows of second page and im at 6.99pvt/9.99excl. you just have to put more work in and to earn more for better placement.

RubyTheSexPixie
10-10-2013, 11:37 AM
I started July 28th, I'm not great at this yet. I have always charged 2.99premium and 4.oo exclusive

RubyTheSexPixie
10-10-2013, 11:37 AM
Oops, 4.99

CurvyWinona
10-10-2013, 12:03 PM
have you tried raise to at least 3.99 or 4.99 pvt and 6.99 or higher excl? if not, try it for a week and see if it works for you. :)

you can read more and decide what you should do by visit the threads -

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?166860-Please-Stop-Being-Cheap-(-!!!!!!!!!!)&highlight=raise+private

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169252-Raise-Your-Rates-Challenge!

SoloDesire
10-10-2013, 12:59 PM
I've tried everything today! Stand up and tease, sit down and chat, keep a smile on my face, flirt, lower my prices...NOTHING is working for me today. I was in a great mood and positive...but even that doesn't always work. I'll try again tonight.

Busygirl
10-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Woah! A dollar a minute in premium??? Meaning the costumers only paying a dollar??? Is that how girls get on the first page? By charging so little??

LOL, but it's still more than $1 or $2 or even omg $3 for 10 minutes, which is what per minute?! i don't even want to go there.

Missbeth
10-11-2013, 08:22 PM
Woah! A dollar a minute in premium??? Meaning the costumers only paying a dollar??? Is that how girls get on the first page? By charging so little??


Noooo, maybe sometimes yes lol
If a girl charges say $1.99 minute and can keep say 7 guys in pvt at one time then she'll be making more than a girl charging $6.99 minute but only keeping 1 guy in private.... That being said I think keeping 7 guys in prem would be hard at any rate....

Some girls on the first page charge $0.99/min, some charge $9.99 minute.... Some have crystal clear cams, come have bad cams, some have no sound some have sound etc.
All these things....price/ratings/sound/internet/time spent online can effect placement but they don't guarantee it, that being said I do know internet speed strongly effects it just for me, when I upgraded/hardwired my internet my placement jumped a few rows overnight which then in turn effected my earnings.. so maybe it was the earnings lol idk...

I know this isnt a placement thread but just wanted to say charging $1 minute is not a "way" to get on the first page lol




I've tried everything today! Stand up and tease, sit down and chat, keep a smile on my face, flirt, lower my prices...NOTHING is working for me today. I was in a great mood and positive...but even that doesn't always work. I'll try again tonight.


Idk when you were on today but at 11am-1215pm I was on and made like $11.... I had a winning smile on my face and was being nice lol.... It was just booooo for me too

Try again tonight :) I stuck it out and made enough in the next two hours to make the shift average out to my average hourly rate... remember camming is a marathon not a sprint .good luck tonight :)

lilynne
10-12-2013, 06:26 AM
Wow interesting I looked at my rating on 9-19-2013 and they were the worst ever that day hmmm, weird I wonder why?