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Elysia36
09-29-2013, 08:07 AM
The main argument I've heard from some people (not up here) is that if you are unemployed and broke, you shouldn't rely on the system and should take whatever job is out there ( no matter how bad it is). I've been on 'the system' before and know that finding a job isn't as easy as some make it out to be. Even if you are willing to take the bottom of the barrel jobs.

Melonie
09-29-2013, 12:29 PM
finding a job isn't as easy as some make it out to be. Even if you are willing to take the bottom of the barrel jobs


^^^ actually, with US minimum wages and costs for mandated 'employee' benefits now increasing, with the US dollar's global 'purchasing power' not falling much, and with historically low interest rates available for corporate borrowing, 'bottom of the barrel' US jobs being replaced by automation offers 'employers' a higher payback on their investment than ever. Thus ...

and and

... represent just three of many rapidly 'maturing' automation technologies that will soon follow on the 'heels' of automatic self-checkout machines, automatic teller machines, automated warehouse material handling equipment, etc. to permanently eliminate yet more low skill level US jobs.

Returning to the 'bottom line', from the standpoint of a business owner, low skill level US workers ... who now 'cost' $7.50+ per hour in wages plus another $2-3 per hour in mandated employer SSI 'taxes' and 'employee' benefits costs ... may already create less 'added value' for the business than they now cost the business to employ them.

At best this creates a disincentive for the business to expand if expansion involves hiring additional low skill level US workers. At worst this creates 'pressure' on the profitability of the business, forcing an eventual decision by the business owner whether shutting down the business, selling off assets, and reinvesting the proceeds into financial instruments will involve less 'loss risk' than keeping the business in operation ( thus keeping the employees employed at the 'expense' of the business owner ). However, the newly emerging automation technologies offer the business owner promise of escaping this economic dilemma, by allowing the business to produce the same or greater amount of 'product' at significantly lower future labor and employee tax / benefit costs ( i.e. hiring one high skill level employee to operate and maintain the automated equipment, and replacing 10 low skill level former employees whose work is now performed by the automated equipment )

This emerging situation clearly points to a future employment picture where low skill level US workers will face very high unemployment rates. As such, low skill level US workers will increasingly be forced to rely on 'the system' even if they would personally prefer to work.

r2468
10-03-2013, 12:18 AM
Reading this made me think of this thread.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10347776/Spaniard-becomes-voice-of-countrys-lost-generation.html

A young Spaniard with two bachelor's degrees and a master's has become the poster boy for Spain's "lost generation" after an online rant in which he complained that the only work he can find is cleaning lavatories in London.
Benjamin Serra Bosch, 25, has garnered thousands of followers on social networks after posting a message about his plight as an overqualified youth unable to find a decent job in his own country.
"I received a distinction for both my degrees and now I clean S*** in a foreign country," he wrote in a message posted on Facebook and Twitter on Friday. "I've been working in a well known café chain in London since May. And after five months working there, today for the first time I saw it clearly.
"I clean toilets. My thought was 'I received distinction in my two degrees and I clean other peoples s*** in a country that isn't my own.' Well, I also make coffees, wipe tables and wash up cups."
But Mr Serra, from Valencia, insisted that his work did not make him ashamed despite having a degree in Journalism and Advertising and another in Public Relations from the prestigious private CEU Cardenal Herrera University. He also has a Master's degree in Community Management from the IEBS Business School.

"It was never my intention to turn this into a viral video – and even less so to create all this madness," he said in the post, published in the early hours of Wednesday.
"As I said, I am not ashamed to be a cleaner. It is a highly dignified job. In the same way that a waiter, or anything else. I simply complained that I am not working in the field I wanted to, and in which I am trained.
"I am not living in misery, nor am I ungrateful, nor am I starving. Neither do I pity my own existence, sinking into depression – although that is what it looks like. I'm just a normal guy, who works, who enjoys spending time with his friends in his free time, and who has a normal life.
"But who, like anyone else, can feel frustrated and angry at any particular point in time."
According to official statistics, nearly 60,000 Spaniards left Spain to seek work abroad in 2012, more than double the figure in 2007 before the crisis began.
Spaniards are the fast-growing group of foreign workers in Britain with the Spanish embassy in London recording that some 70,000 were registered there in 2012, although the real figure could be as much as five times that.
"With the text I published, I complained about the terrible situation in Spain – which is nothing more and nothing less than a statement of fact. More than 50 per cent of young people are unemployed, and thousands of Spaniards are emigrating. I never criticised Britain or my employer. I earn a decent salary, in accordance with the work that I do," he said.
Mr Serra added that he came to London because he won a Leonardo scholarship to study at an online newspaper in the city for six months. When that ended, he decided to remain and seek work.
"I am not asking anyone to give me something for nothing. As I said, 'no one has given me the opportunity in Spain.' Opportunity. Having the possibility. It's not a gift.
"It is enabling young people to work in their chosen profession. A simple interview to demonstrate whether we are worth it or not."
Mr Serra said that he realised his story resonated because "there are many of us in the same situation".
He said: "I never set out to be the flag bearer of anyone, but if it has served to draw attention to this problem, then the revelation is very welcome."

GlamourRouge
10-03-2013, 01:03 AM
^^^ I've written this before on here. But what I think happened is, our parents generation told us we need to REPLACE working our way up from the bottom with a degree. However, its simply not true. Even in very skilled or niched areas. If anything, it takes more drive and more experience (interning, volunteering) to land a job these days than it ever did before. You have to REALLY want it.

I bet if you looked at "Benjamin Serra Bosch" 's hands on experience, he would have none or very little. He doesn't mention any. Because, if he DID have a lot of experience, he would have made a lot of connections and likely would have landed a job. Networking is SO important! And not just with peers and students, but with people who already work in your chosen field. The only way you can do that is with volunteering, interning, or working in your chosen field.

"I simply complained that I am not working in the field I wanted to, and in which I am trained." <--- But I mean, if you want it BADLY enough, you can have it? You have to show your motivation and network...? That usually means starting unpaid and from the bottom.

"According to official statistics, nearly 60,000 Spaniards left Spain to seek work abroad in 2012, more than double the figure in 2007 before the crisis began." <--- I mean, that sounds about right. Recession? You have to move where your industry of choice is. Where there are jobs. Why are people so expectant? Like, not only do they feel entitled to their dream job in their dream industry with no experience and while being really young, but they also feel entitled to finding a job in the exact geographical area they want to live in. The world doesn't work like that. And if you want it to work like that, start your own business.

I know Spain is in a different boat (but not really though), but college has become a joke. WHY do people emphasize how important school is, but not how important interning and networking is?? Parents ship their kids away so their kids can party and not hold a job. The ones that do hold jobs seem to blow that money on partying or clothes or fun activities, and the job usually isn't relevant to their career. And I'm not saying non-industry work experience is bad, but I'm pretty sure 90% of college-aged kids have their priorities in the wrong places until they absolutely HAVE to find a job. Which is generally immediately after they graduate. And then they complain.

And I also think there should be emphasis on the importance of going to school where you think you want to live and find a job after graduation. What good is networking if you plan to immediately move away?

GlamourRouge
10-07-2013, 11:02 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/15e7e51764c6d42ba015d9b10065dc55/tumblr_mevrcuzvXJ1qc7t7bo1_1280.jpg

I liked this

whirlerz
10-28-2013, 08:20 PM
GR I Love This!^

LaurenAus
10-30-2013, 10:45 AM
what's funny is I had a tough time finding work back home in the states and had to move to Spain to find a reliable paying job lolz...

as for my friends who have college degrees...it was super hard just a few years ago but every one of them have been able to find work. Examples: one friend got her bachelor degree, then her MBA, and now has an executive level job with a help of a friend. So yes in that case connections helped..
one other friend went to a good university and got a bullshit degree in Anthropology, got a job as a marketing manager built up her skills and is now living in Europe doing freelance marketing/blogging work for different companies and doing pretty well for herself. She always had her own travel blogging website and a well known company contacted her through her site to blog for them. She never even applied for a position.
two other friends found full time work through one of those temp to hire agencies.
Nother girl I know just had her bachelors in Psych and now holds a managerial position doing related work with people working under her. She found this job herself--didn't use any connections. She's not making bank but it's great experience to put on her app for when she wants to get her Phd or Masters.
One of my other friends has a BA in Psych and has been doing sales for awhile--now shes an account executive at a company she's been dying to work for. She started from customer service, worked her way up at her past jobs and her boss always put in a good word for her.

I seemed to be the only one who sucked ass at finding a legit job that was bearable lol.

My point is internet forums are pretty biased and in my experience at least degrees are not worthless and the job situation is not black or white.