Hopper
12-06-2013, 07:48 PM
I dunno. The only way your theory could hold water is if Dancer X approaches you and gives you a good dance, then a little while later you approach her and she gives you a ho-hum dance. Of course, you'd have to repeat the experiment a few more times, you know... for science. But even then, there are oodles of variables involved.
It's not a theory, just lamenting a fact. I said happens often, not always. I agree - the only way to know is to try each dancer at least once. Evan any one dancer could respond differently on different occasions.
I can only speak for myself but I can unequivocally say that I give better dances when a customer approaches me. I guess that's why I struggle to understand your point of view.
Again, it's not my POV, it's my experience. However, me initiating the dance may not be the reason it's a bad one. She might just give everyone bad dances, it may have been an off time for her, she may just not like me. However, it often seems to be the case that I initiated so she takes it for granted that I like her dances just because I like how she looks.
Partly it's just human psychology - we take things for granted when they come easy.
Customers that come up to me, get great dances. Why? Well... they don't waste my time. I feel flattered when they approach me. I can focus my energy into giving them a great dance rather than convincing them to buy an initial dance to begin with. I feel special... and automatically more sexy.
That's the sensible approach from a business POV and yes some dancers appreciate not having to hustle dances and feel good about being liked. The kind of dancer I was commenting about may just know how attractive she is and not be easily flattered by guys liking her.
Most of the time, a customer initiated dance leads to multiple dances... and fairly often, subsequent time in the VIP room.
Right. Whether you get more dances depends on how you dance, not who initiates it.
The scenario you describe is foreign to me. I can only hypothesize that you are misunderstanding the REAL cause of your woes... let's re-read what you wrote...
Now, let me take you by the hand...
The gals you like aren't even trying to sell dances. They'd rather sit and drink, chat with guys, etc. or they are trying to sit with customers that are likely to purchase a VIP room. (Some girls only want to sell VIP rooms, that's fine too, but most of them aren't particularly enthusiastic about selling single dances on the floor)
If/when you approach them, they give you a shitty dance because they'd probably rather be sitting and drinking... when they are dancing for you they may be thinking about sitting and drinking some more. Perhaps they are thinking about how they can brush you off ASAP so that they can get back to landing the customers they were sitting with before you approached.
Good point. I know they don't just chat and drink for the sake of it, they make money from it somehow - being tipped to chat, getting commission for selling drinks and yes the possibility of selling dances to guys in the group. However, in cases like this they tell me they'll only dance for me after they have worked the group for a while, i.e., after they have finished drinking with the group. They don't have a reason to brush me off. But maybe they are after bigger fish and able to do better. I could be in the way of that. However, they don't know how much I am going to spend until I'm finished spending. For all they know, I am buying a shorter dance to see if they are worth spending more, which is often actually the case.
The fact may be that you are choosing girls who don't really want to dance to begin with. If they wanted to sell dances, they might have taken the initiative to make a few rounds on the floor and see if anyone was interested in spending money on them. They don't seem tremendously interested in selling dances a la carte and that could account for their lukewarm performance.
Why else would they work there?
I'm sticking with my initial conclusion: you're keen on the wrong girls. I don't know if you have a thing for women that are 'hard to get' or something like that. It just seems that you're most interested in getting dances from alternatively-motivated strippers... and it's not working out too well for you.
No, I don't know they are hard to get before I approach them, except maybe for the fact that they hadn't approached me yet first. I approach them because I like how they look. I don't like the lukewarm ones. That's why I complained about them in my original post.
What is "alternatively-motivated"?
It's not a theory, just lamenting a fact. I said happens often, not always. I agree - the only way to know is to try each dancer at least once. Evan any one dancer could respond differently on different occasions.
I can only speak for myself but I can unequivocally say that I give better dances when a customer approaches me. I guess that's why I struggle to understand your point of view.
Again, it's not my POV, it's my experience. However, me initiating the dance may not be the reason it's a bad one. She might just give everyone bad dances, it may have been an off time for her, she may just not like me. However, it often seems to be the case that I initiated so she takes it for granted that I like her dances just because I like how she looks.
Partly it's just human psychology - we take things for granted when they come easy.
Customers that come up to me, get great dances. Why? Well... they don't waste my time. I feel flattered when they approach me. I can focus my energy into giving them a great dance rather than convincing them to buy an initial dance to begin with. I feel special... and automatically more sexy.
That's the sensible approach from a business POV and yes some dancers appreciate not having to hustle dances and feel good about being liked. The kind of dancer I was commenting about may just know how attractive she is and not be easily flattered by guys liking her.
Most of the time, a customer initiated dance leads to multiple dances... and fairly often, subsequent time in the VIP room.
Right. Whether you get more dances depends on how you dance, not who initiates it.
The scenario you describe is foreign to me. I can only hypothesize that you are misunderstanding the REAL cause of your woes... let's re-read what you wrote...
Now, let me take you by the hand...
The gals you like aren't even trying to sell dances. They'd rather sit and drink, chat with guys, etc. or they are trying to sit with customers that are likely to purchase a VIP room. (Some girls only want to sell VIP rooms, that's fine too, but most of them aren't particularly enthusiastic about selling single dances on the floor)
If/when you approach them, they give you a shitty dance because they'd probably rather be sitting and drinking... when they are dancing for you they may be thinking about sitting and drinking some more. Perhaps they are thinking about how they can brush you off ASAP so that they can get back to landing the customers they were sitting with before you approached.
Good point. I know they don't just chat and drink for the sake of it, they make money from it somehow - being tipped to chat, getting commission for selling drinks and yes the possibility of selling dances to guys in the group. However, in cases like this they tell me they'll only dance for me after they have worked the group for a while, i.e., after they have finished drinking with the group. They don't have a reason to brush me off. But maybe they are after bigger fish and able to do better. I could be in the way of that. However, they don't know how much I am going to spend until I'm finished spending. For all they know, I am buying a shorter dance to see if they are worth spending more, which is often actually the case.
The fact may be that you are choosing girls who don't really want to dance to begin with. If they wanted to sell dances, they might have taken the initiative to make a few rounds on the floor and see if anyone was interested in spending money on them. They don't seem tremendously interested in selling dances a la carte and that could account for their lukewarm performance.
Why else would they work there?
I'm sticking with my initial conclusion: you're keen on the wrong girls. I don't know if you have a thing for women that are 'hard to get' or something like that. It just seems that you're most interested in getting dances from alternatively-motivated strippers... and it's not working out too well for you.
No, I don't know they are hard to get before I approach them, except maybe for the fact that they hadn't approached me yet first. I approach them because I like how they look. I don't like the lukewarm ones. That's why I complained about them in my original post.
What is "alternatively-motivated"?