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simone87
10-23-2013, 08:06 AM
100 a night? if things ever get that bad..wow. why even dance if you earn that little?? 250 is a bad night!
Sophia_Starina
10-23-2013, 08:40 AM
A blog of a former strip club manager has this from a female reader...
Please post a link to the blog. :) I'd love to read it.
whirlerz
10-23-2013, 09:10 AM
I'd like to add, I don't know much about the strip clubs, (other than what I read here, still in process of applying) it's a parallel situation in the 'vanilla'/regular jobs too..doing much more for the same amount (usually less)..
Melonie
10-23-2013, 09:37 AM
^^^ good observation, Whirlerz. In both cases, the same two major factors are in play.
The first is the fact that the income level of 'middle class' Americans is not rising ... while the costs of 'necessary' items like food, energy, taxes, insurance etc. ARE rising. This essentially forces 'middle class' consumers to spend less money on items that aren't 'necessary', from lap dances to restaurant meals to vacations to big screen TV's. Less money being spent on these items means less profits / earnings potential for people who are involved in the sale of these goods and services.
The second is that US 'labor' ... from exotic dancers to checkout clerks to waitstaff ... has zero 'leverage' with employers. As long as there are 5-10-50 other workers applying to fill every job opening, there is zero reason for employers to increase worker pay / earnings levels. And that is especially true for businesses whose profitability is also suffering ( due to the above reduced consumer spending plus the above rising costs of 'necessary' items to operate the business ), who are then prompted to require more 'production' out of their workers for the same amount of 'pay'.
Also, your analogy does hold true for the 'upper echelon' as well. The top 1-5-10% of Americans net earnings are higher than ever ... thanks in large part to the fact that gov't money printing boosts stock markets ( with the top 1-5-10% of American earners owning the lion's share of stocks ). Thus Ferrari dealerships, super upscale retailers like Tiffany, and upscale big city strip clubs, are all seeing increased customer spending / earnings. The problem of course is that the Ferrari dealerships, Tiffany, and upscale big city strip clubs can hand pick a tiny number of new workers based on their having 'best of the best' attributes ... which of course means that 90%+ of 'would be' Ferrari or Tiffany salespersons or upscale big city strip club dancers wind up being 'locked out' of those potential major league earnings.
melany
10-23-2013, 10:22 AM
Please post a link to the blog. :) I'd love to read it.
It's the Strip Club Hound: http://stripclubhound.blogspot.com/
Sophia_Starina
10-23-2013, 11:00 AM
It's the Strip Club Hound: http://stripclubhound.blogspot.com/
Thank you so much.
GlamourRouge
10-23-2013, 10:48 PM
I really think there are only 3 types of dancers that make sense these days. There's just no point/no money IMO otherwise:
1.) A girl who is stripping through school and would be working a minimum wage job anyway. At least dancing is flexible around her schedule
2.) A girl who is okay with not making a lot but really has her life settled where she currently lives and dances. Maybe she has kids or just never plans to move, and loves her dancing coworkers at her club so at least its fun
3.) A girl who is serious about dancing and travels after the money. That probably means traveling every 2-4 months somewhere new to chase that place's season
The problem is, while #3 is ideal IMO, its not practical for most people. And therein lies the problem.
The issue with strip clubs IMO is that they lack... substance. Whereas the internet allows access to all sorts of new things & experiences with porn and escorts and stuff. All these fetishes. All these different types of girls that would not get hired at top tier clubs, because top tier clubs are stuck on the outdated 90s stereotype of tan, blonde, and big fake tits. Its not a BAD stereotype per se, but it is definitely outdated as fuck, and this is even showing now IMO with the lack of strip club foot traffic and spenders.
Don't kill me, but I also think that the standard escort rates being so low these days has also played into strip club spending decline. Isn't $200-$300/hour the standard escort rate now? That gets you almost nothing in a strip club. Not even a full hour of time in a champagne room in most places. I'm trying to think from a man's perspective... why pay $300+ for a 1 hour champagne room when you could hire an escort for 1 hour who will come to your house or hotel AND have sex with you? Its typically women who are more into the sensuality, men tend to want blatant sexuality.
The only way I see strip clubs succeeding in the future is if they try to push stage performance. And by that I mean gimmicks and talents... burlesque, fetish, ballet?, all performance art.
miss.a.p1600
10-24-2013, 01:29 AM
This is a helpful thread.
Definitely something new dancers should know about the current economics in this industry. Maybe it could help turn things around.
All I heard when I first started dancing was how much money girls used to make before the decline and how everybody has to adjust to stay in business. From the dancer view and from the customer view. The dancers that don't adjust either quit, get work elsewhere, or move to greener club
My inside source who helped me get started tells me a couple hundred is possible and I wonder what the reality and what it takes to earn decent money. but what took me so long to figure out is basically what you all have explained in the thread. - I wish I would have read something like this earlier but oh well I guess im reading it now for a reason.
Melonie
10-24-2013, 03:24 AM
I really think there are only 3 types of dancers that make sense these days. There's just no point/no money IMO otherwise:
1.) A girl who is stripping through school and would be working a minimum wage job anyway. At least dancing is flexible around her schedule
2.) A girl who is okay with not making a lot but really has her life settled where she currently lives and dances. Maybe she has kids or just never plans to move, and loves her dancing coworkers at her club so at least its fun
3.) A girl who is serious about dancing and travels after the money. That probably means traveling every 2-4 months somewhere new to chase that place's season
I feel obligated to point out that, in your #1 case of college student dancers, you left out a significant present day factor. That factor is the possibility that a personal history of 'stripping' may wind up limiting the girl's job / earnings opportunities after she graduates ... thanks to ObamaCare's mandatory 1099 income reports to the IRS, among other possibilities. While this risk factor may be acceptable at a $500+ per night earnings level, it becomes less and less acceptable the closer the actual dancer earnings level falls towards the earnings levels available by bartending, waitressing, etc. ( which involve no such future risk ).
I also think that the standard escort rates being so low these days has also played into strip club spending decline. Isn't $200-$300/hour the standard escort rate now? That gets you almost nothing in a strip club. Not even a full hour of time in a champagne room in most places. I'm trying to think from a man's perspective... why pay $300+ for a 1 hour champagne room when you could hire an escort for 1 hour who will come to your house or hotel AND have sex with you?
Arguably, this 'change' now reaches much farther ... from
{snip)The issue: young people in Japan just don't want or have any interest, in commitment to the other sex, nor do they seem to have any interest in procreating in a narrow sense, or sex in a broad one (a topic further pursued in "Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex"). In short:
•50% of Japanese women 18-34 are single
•More than 60% of Japanese men 18-34 are single
Whether it is the women's fault, described as "so infatuated with their careers that work trumps a boyfriend or husband", or men "a generation obsessed with virtual reality and so intimidated by real women that they prefer cyber girlfriends over real relationships" is unknown, and irrelevant. There is another angle.
As this documentary from Vice investigates, "sex sells and the Japanese are buying." The reason: Japan has a "seemingly infinite menu of relationship replacement services." And who really needs the hassle of a steady significant other when on one hand the gamma radiation levels keep creeping higher and higher by the day meaning the threat of a random mutant appendage emerging is no longer negligible, and on the other Abenomics is making everyone feel wealthier, even as everyone actual purchasing power implodes, leaving everyone but the 0.1% broke and starving.
Has Japanese society crossed the Rubicon into full devolution (and after watching the video below you will understand why), where cheap single-serving sexual thrills and intimacy replacement have overtaken the household unit as the hub of society?
The reality is that unless something drastically changes between the demographic singularity the country is rapidly headed toward, the Fukushima disaster which hits new spilled radioactivity records on a daily basis, and the emotional detachment that the locals (don't) feel toward each other, in a few years none of this will matter.
Worst of all: Japan is merely the test tube baby, pardon the pun, for the rest of the insolvent "developed" world. What happens in Japan, is coming to a broke centrally-planned country near you."(snip)
'Relationship Replacement Services' indeed. The author's point of course is that the prolonged poor economic conditions for young people, from very few high paying new jobs, to large amounts of student loan debt, to tightening creditworthiness standards, to reduced purchasing power of paper currencies, has already precipitated a fundamental change in the way that young Japanese view their personal futures. One aspect of that fundamental change is that Japanese young people no longer view the traditional career / marriage / home / children social model as a realistic possibility.
As such, past practices intended to move young people along that path i.e. dating, relationships etc. are being abandoned in favor of 'relationship replacement services'. And strip clubs, or at least strip clubs that do not also provide 'sex for money', don't fill that need. Well, there's an exception to that ... guys who come to strip clubs to sit, talk and solicit OTC contact, all the while not buying private dances or VIP's ... which obviously doesn't help out dancer earnings potential very much !!!
America and western Europe aren't as far along the financial path as Japan ( which had a 10 year 'head start' ), but they're definitely moving in the same direction.
Melonie
10-24-2013, 08:57 AM
also, Ill throw out this bit of economic / demographic reality ...
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/08-2/Job%20Gains%20By%20Age_0.jpg
... which clearly shows that the only age group of Americans where jobs are actually being added is 55 and over. Unfortunately for dancers ( and camgirls ), 55+ year olds only make up a small sliver of the traditional customer base.
Of course, something that the bar chart doesn't show is that a fair number of the 55+ year old Americans who ARE finding jobs are actually working part time for comparatively low pay rates ! Or put another way, retirees who have run out of money are being forced back to work as WalMart greeters ! As such, odds are that there won't be a whole lot of additional 55+ year olds dropping a bunch of cash at strip clubs or on webcams.
Among those Americans aged 20 through 54, who make up the lion's share of the strip club and webcam customer base, jobs continue to be lost ... with the worst job losses being in the 20-24 age group which often makes up a disproportionately large share of the strip club customer base. This does not bode well for the economic future of mid-level strip clubs or for the dancers working in them.
simone87
10-24-2013, 10:34 AM
^ i always thought the older guys were the ones who usually came into strip clubs, maybe its just my customers base..i don't bother with 20-24 year olds at all, plus most of them don't need to pay to see a chick naked at that age.
Selina M
10-24-2013, 10:38 AM
i don't bother with 20-24 year olds at all, plus most of them don't need to pay to see a chick naked at that age.
THAT THAT THAT x a million.
The ONLY time I have ever seen a 20-24 year old spend money was on a "novelty" trip, and then it was like 1 dance per guy just to say they did it. I think this is even magnified by the fact that I have only danced within a 10 mile radius from a giant party school where they probably bang a different girl every weekend and girls dance half naked on poles in bars for free.
The older guys are a better demographic for me as they are good to sit and talk with, and are generally more polite.
Melonie
10-24-2013, 11:02 AM
^^^ actually, where guys 20-24 are concerned, this group sometimes makes up a significant percentage of particular strip club customer base i.e. clubs near military bases or clubs near heavy industries. But the point about guys age 20-24 having major problems finding decent paying jobs was also aimed toward the future ... where an ongoing lack of job opportunity / experience will likely result in many of these guys still being 'broke' 10 years from now.
As to club customers in the 55+ age group being 'major' strip club spenders, that's actually true in specific cases ... but usually targeted within the 'upscale' big city strip club sector. Thus while many SW dancers are able to 'cash in' on this strip club customer demographic, in overall terms, lots of dancers either don't live near enough to big cities to take advantage of 'upscale' strip club customer base, or ( for better or worse ) lots of dancers aren't able to 'make the cut' to be hired by an 'upscale' strip club.
And, as pointed out by the bar graph, most of the new jobs being found by guys age 55+ are NOT the high paying career positions that allow for 'major' strip club spending. Instead they are part time near minimum wage jobs that make the difference between the formerly retired guy eating hamburger versus hamburger helper, with lap dances and VIP's not falling anywhere within their budgets !
she wolf
12-22-2013, 11:42 AM
This is the thread I was looking for! It only took me like 4 months to find! lol
dezire
12-22-2013, 12:40 PM
No we're not going to recover. This industry is dying a slow death. Go in, make your money and always have an exit plan. We are going to crash the same way the Roman empire did.
T--Thats just it..some of us dont have a great exit plan..So it sucks to be us..Ur smart and ur right about the dancing industry dying a slow death.
dezire
12-22-2013, 12:43 PM
^^^ actually, where guys 20-24 are concerned, this group sometimes makes up a significant percentage of particular strip club customer base i.e. clubs near military bases or clubs near heavy industries. But the point about guys age 20-24 having major problems finding decent paying jobs was also aimed toward the future ... where an ongoing lack of job opportunity / experience will likely result in many of these guys still being 'broke' 10 years from now.
As to club customers in the 55+ age group being 'major' strip club spenders, that's actually true in specific cases ... but usually targeted within the 'upscale' big city strip club sector. Thus while many SW dancers are able to 'cash in' on this strip club customer demographic, in overall terms, lots of dancers either don't live near enough to big cities to take advantage of 'upscale' strip club customer base, or ( for better or worse ) lots of dancers aren't able to 'make the cut' to be hired by an 'upscale' strip club.
And, as pointed out by the bar graph, most of the new jobs being found by guys age 55+ are NOT the high paying career positions that allow for 'major' strip club spending. Instead they are part time near minimum wage jobs that make the difference between the formerly retired guy eating hamburger versus hamburger helper, with lap dances and VIP's not falling anywhere within their budgets !
This is the problem with my town..And the young guys 20-24 usually overlook and more experienced dancers and talk to/tip the young 19 yr old dancer instead..Its very hard to find SCs in my town who appreciate the older, wiser dancers..And I just dont have the patience to deal with guys who want to be cheap and grope..My patience is shot with assholes.
she wolf
12-22-2013, 02:50 PM
I know I know nothing lol but what about the places with guys that have the most disposable income? I've looked up those places and they have money to burn but it doesn't mean they go to strip clubs though
xcatxbrownx
12-22-2013, 08:04 PM
Camming is pretty good money if you do it well :) and it's getting really, really big. I see these girls getting tipped hundreds every night, I've seen more 500 and 1000 dollar tips on cam than I've ever seen tipped ITC.
Evolve with the times. Lots of guys spend money in strip clubs today, you just gotta be picky with you you dance for, I find. I refuse to dance/ talk to anyone who doesn't treat me with the respect I deserve, therefore I attract mostly respectful customers. Not all of them are perfect gentlemen, but all of them mind when I say no or I won't see them. Stripping needs a serious makeover. It needs to evolve. This is no longer the 80's/90's when girls where banking soooo hard every night. It needs an upgrade. The internet is the new thing of the day and I'm sorry, but it's 2014, if you are ashamed of your job/ worry about what others think of you working in this industry/ are afraid others might find out, this is not the arena for you. There need to be new standards for hiring in strip clubs all across the board, who is allowed in, webcams in clubs, schedules of dancers online, totally revamped websites etc. Nothing will ever beat meeting a woman face to face for some men and those men will spend bank. Stripping needs something to spice it up, I don't have all the answers, but it can't remain the way it is and continue to be successful.
My club recently put in ad in a local Mexican magazine, attracting more cheap ass rancheros with no money to spend and rampant expectation of extras/ sex/ titty licking/ haggling. It increased the clubs' drink sales, but did pretty much nothing for the dancers except piss us off and make our club look like a place where cheap asses come for a free show. I gave this guy a dance and asked for a tip after and he handed me a dollar... ONE DOLLAR. Lol... If you want people to come into the club and spend MONEY, go for QUALITY, not quantity. The club I work at has become a bikini bar where naked girls happen to do pole tricks and if you tip a dollar, they will grind on you and you can stick your finger in their ass. /sarcasm
djezcheeze
12-22-2013, 08:45 PM
^^^^^ Exactly
I think...and this is the problem is that due to the crappy economy, club owners are trying to just get people in the doors and more girls to work so they can make money. The sad thing is, that a lot of these guys are already making a lot of money even though the economy is crap. They get greedy, want to make it the neighborhood hang out, and start treating us as if we're employees. lol. My last club was like that, which is why I left. It was a very nice and upscale club, had great girls (not the hottest but for the area they were all about say 7-8's and more girl next door types). This wasn't a huge city either. Within several years I saw the quality of dancers decline, and the club being catered to a younger crowd. Tons of women would always come in just to hang out as well. I know the club makes TONS of money, even though it's not as it had been). It's changed drastically in just a year in a half where i could make 400-500 dollars on a Tues night. It got to the point where I could barely hit $200.
Honestly, I think the party girl strippers don't help as well. They treat the job as a hobby and guys think they can get away with spending a few dollars. I know the club I'm at now has some extras, but according to the bouncers it just happens once in a while, and usually the girl is getting paid quite well for it. I honestly think the industry needs to become unionized. I think girls should actually have interviews instead of just stripping down during "auditions", which was basically my last one. I think we should get paid just like a server or bartender. I'm sick of seeing ugly bitches at high class joints and guys thinking they're entitled to more for their money. I think it needs to go back to what it was and be about entertainment and enjoying time with nice, hot girls instead of being whore houses. I also think that more dancers should learn pole work (working on it at the moment), have a kind of gimmick, instead of some dead faced looking girl half assed dancing on stage. Being paid employees would stop all that half-assedness.
GlamourRouge
12-22-2013, 09:38 PM
I see these girls getting tipped hundreds every night, I've seen more 500 and 1000 dollar tips on cam than I've ever seen tipped ITC.
That is probably .05% of cam girls, who are getting tipped that kind of money on the regular. Though its possible. But many have been camming for years with a large roster of regulars.
Nina_
12-22-2013, 09:50 PM
100 a night? if things ever get that bad..wow. why even dance if you earn that little?? 250 is a bad night!
Right! Lol. A girl who I grew up with dances and she probably doesn't even average $100 a night... she regularly leaves the club with like $20 after a full shift. When she makes in the $150 range she calls it a solid night. And it's not just the clubs, because we've worked at the same clubs where I make good money. She finally just got a new job at a retail store. It's minimum wage but must be better than getting topless all night for less than minimum wage! She danced for almost 2 years, idk how someone could do that bad and stick with it. She was always at least a month behind on her rent!
she wolf
12-22-2013, 09:52 PM
Why would a guy spend more on cam then at a strip club? Also i know the economy isnt going well for middle class families and new graduates w/ limited degrees and no expereince but I know guys are making money. guys in the cities with the most money to burn have over 40,000 left over after taxes at the end of the yr and they live in the most expensive cities. I guess they just don't like strip clubs?
she wolf
12-22-2013, 09:56 PM
I was reading about these strippers making like $1000-2000 on average a night in a podunk town in either SD or ND becuz of the oil industry providing jobs during this recession
GlamourRouge
12-23-2013, 05:06 AM
Why would a guy spend more on cam then at a strip club?
It definitely happens a lot. Because they can get their exact fetish fulfilled online and its 100% discreet with a massive roster of girls to choose from unlike ITC. In neither case are they having sex with the girl, so I don't think its really that different.
Melonie
12-23-2013, 10:01 AM
I finally found some documented facts to respond the the Vegas based OP !!! From
(snip)MYFOXNY.COM - With the closure of the recent Atlantic Club Casino Hotel, rumors of the bankrupt Revel being sold to Hard Rock, more than half of the mortgages in Las Vegas under water, casinos opening up all around the country and online gambling legislation underway in various states, it seems as if the reasons for the very existence of Atlantic City and Las Vegas are in serious jeopardy.
Beginning in the late 1940s, Las Vegas became known as the 'adult playground of the world.' Celebrities knew they made the big time when their names graced the billboards of ‘Sin City.’ Gamblers hoping to make money would flock there all year and families looking for a nice getaway would enjoy relaxing by the extravagant swimming pools under the hot desert sun, seeing the various shows and concerts, and whenever possible, sneaking away to the blackjack tables while their kids slept.
It was paradise.
On the other hand, Atlantic City, once a major vacation spot during the roaring 20s and 1930s, as seen on HBOs Boardwalk Empire, collapsed when cheap air fare became the norm and people had no reason to head to the many beach town resorts on the East Coast. Within a few decades, the city, known for being an ‘oasis of sin’ during the prohibition era, fell into serious decline and dilapidation.
New Jersey officials felt the only way to bring Atlantic City back from the brink of disaster would be to legalize gambling. Atlantic City’s first casino, Resorts, first opened its doors in 1978. People stood shoulder to shoulder, packed into the hotel as gambling officially made its way to the East Coast. Folks in the East Coast didn't have to make a special trip all the way to Vegas in order to enjoy some craps, slots, roulette and more.
As time wore on, Atlantic City and Las Vegas became the premier gambling spots in the country.
While detractors felt that the area still remained poor and dilapidated, officials were quick to point out that the casinos didn't bring the mass gentrification to Atlantic City as much as they hoped but the billions of dollars in revenue and thousands of jobs for the surrounding communities was well worth it.
Atlantic City developed a reputation as more of a short-stay ‘day-cation’ type of place, yet managed to stand firm against the 'adult playground' and 'entertainment capital of the world' Las Vegas.
Through-out the 1980s and 1990s, these two places would become an integral part of American pop culture as the place to gamble and have fun no matter which coast you lived at.
However in the late 1980s, a landmark ruling considered Native-American reservations to be sovereign entities not bound by state law. It was the first potential threat to the iron grip Atlantic City and Vegas had on the gambling and entertainment industry.
Huge 'mega casinos' were built on reservations that rivaled Atlantic City and Vegas. In turn, Vegas built even more impressive casinos.
Atlantic City, inbranded themselves.
It seemed as if the bite that the Native American casinos took out of AC and Vegas’ profits was negligible and that the dominance of those two cities in the world of gambling would remain unchallenged.
Then Macau, formally a colony of Portugal, was handed back to the Chinese in 1999. The gambling industry there had been operated under a government-issued monopoly license by Stanley Ho's Sociedade de Turismo e Diversões de Macau. The monopoly was ended in 2002 and several casino owners from Las Vegas attempted to enter the market.
Under the one country, two systems policy, the territory remained virtually unchanged aside from mega casinos popping up everywhere. All the rich ‘whales’ from the far east had no reason anymore to go to Las Vegas to spend their money.
Then came their biggest threat.
As revenue from dog and horse racing tracks around the United States dried up, government officials needed a way to bring back jobs and revitalize the surrounding communities. Slot machines in race tracks started in Iowa in 1994 but took off in 2004 when Pennsylvania introduced ‘Racinos’ in an effort to reduce property taxes for the state and to help depressed areas bounce back.
As of 2013, racinos are legal in ten states: Delaware, Louisiana, Maine, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and West Virginia
Tracks like Delaware Park and West Virginia's Mountaineer Park, once considered places where local degenerates bet on broken-down nags in claiming races, are now among the wealthiest tracks around, with the best races.
The famous Aqueduct race track in Queens, NY, once facing an uncertain future, now possesses the most profitable casino in the United States.
From June 2012 to June 2013, Aqueduct matched a quarter of Atlantic City's total gaming revenue from its dozen casinos: $729.2 million compared with A.C.'s $2.9 billion. It has taken an estimated 15 percent hit on New Jersey casino revenue and climbing.
And it isn't just Aqueduct that's taking business away from them. Atlantic City's closest major city, Philadelphia, only 35-40 minutes away, and one of the largest cities in America, now has a casino that has contributed heavily to the decline in gamers visiting the area.
The situation in Vegas isn't much better. The Great Recession of the late 2000s hit Las Vegas hard. As the recession wore on, and as gambling received approval in various jurisdictions throughout the United States, folks realized they didn't need to travel thousands of miles just to gamble.
Casino revenues and the price of real estate plummeted. Unemployment went as high as 14 percent, however unofficially, local officials said it may have been as high as 30 percent.
More than half of all home owners with a mortgage in the entire state of Nevada owe more than their homes are worth.
One local bought his condo in 2006 for $209,000, and as of 2012 it was worth barely $60,000.
However, in mid 2013 housing prices started to bounce back in what many are calling a new bubble.
But according to Bloomberg.com this so-called bubble is simply from banks completing their foreclosures and holding onto inventory. The increased value of properties has been attracting various investors and speculators, which is helping fuel this latest rise in real estate prices.
Experts say once banks start releasing the foreclosed homes into the market to start selling them, the prices may begin to get depressed again.
In Las Vegas alone, more than half of properties with mortgages are still underwater, or worth less than the loans against them, according to Zillow Inc., a real estate data firm.
Trendy hotels like SLS Las Vegas are set to open in 2014, in an effort to reinvent the city as purely an entertainment paradise.
One local said “The reality is, people just won’t fly to the middle of a desert to play some slots, watch shows and sit down for some blackjack when they can drive right near their town or city, or play legally online.”
And now it looks like the feds may soon allow online gambling across the United States.
Last May, the American Gaming Association called on Congress to enact federal legislation that would allow states to license and regulate online poker so Americans who play can do so safely using responsible, law-abiding operators. The Department of Justice made a decision that the Federal Wire Act only prohibits the transmission of communications relative to bets or wagers on sporting events or contests. It also clarifies that intrastate lottery tickets sold online are legal, so long as the lottery games do not involve sport wagering, even if the transmission crosses state lines.
Officials say this has opened up the possibility that online gambling may get approved on a federal level.
New Jersey is the third state in the U.S. to have authorized internet gambling. However, these online casinos are owned and controlled by Atlantic City casinos in an effort to boost profits in the face of fierce competition.
California, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and Texas are hoping to join Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey and the U.S. Virgin Islands in offering online gambling to their residents.
Nevada also enacted modifications to their internet gambling law to allow for interstate compacts, among other provisions in hopes to draw higher stakes jackpots, similar to the Mega Millions and Power Ball lottery games that are played in multiple states.
With this in mind, it seems the niche that Las Vegas and Atlantic City once offered as a gambling and entertainment hub is heading toward the dustbin of history.
Time will tell if these two cities will end up like Detroit. However, the fact that they are losing their biggest industries to major competition, much like Detroit did, with depressed housing, casinos bankrupting/closing and businesses fleeing, makes their fate seem eerily similar. "(snip)
As someone who has lived in Vegas for 10 years I can say that this article is 100% on the money. Vegas is no longe about gambling. It's about partying, fine dining and entertainment. Those who have major money aren't frequenting the clubs like they used to. I make better $$ sitting in a high end Hotel bar, chatting up a guy, and telling him I work at club "X" and I hate going in because its so slow. He asks what I make in a night, I tell him, he pays, we continue to chat and drink, maybe gamble and I go home. 8/10 of these guys say " Oh I never set foot in those places anymore" unless some clients REALLY want to go. I can't wait to leave this town. The only upside is even though it may not be in the clubs, there IS money everywhere and a pretty girl with her wits about her shouldn't have a hard time getting by. And I'm not talking offering sex. It just takes some tact. But I feel for girls in smaller towns or places where people just don't have it period.
tempest666
12-23-2013, 07:38 PM
Things need to evolve or die. It's the nature of things. I think we're going to die. Between the advent of home poles, pole dancing classes for suburban soccer moms to "Unleash their inner stripper" *eyeroll* and trying to get pole dancing into the Olympics, it has gone mainstream and therefore not taboo anymore. Our job's glory days were when it was taboo and shocking.
Oh well. It was a good run while it lasted. Look around you so you can remember it.
simone87
12-23-2013, 07:57 PM
i think stripping " as we know it" will definitely die cuz everything comes to an end. and then evolve into something else.but sex work will always, always be around.. no doubt about that, considering its thrived since the beginning of time. but yeah, twirling around a pole, sipping champagne, and giving air dances in private rooms for hundreds or thousands a night in clubs..yes, it will come to an end, probably or evolve into something else, however you wanna look at it.
im very interested to know what it will look like in 50 years. i mean , awhile ago ballerinas were considered modern-day strippers , which is totally laughable to us now. but i think erotic entertainment with attractive females will always find a way
tempest666
12-24-2013, 10:36 PM
I can admit that I'm going to be a part of the extinction. You know what? I'm ok with it. I won't be fazed out right away but it will happen. I'm hoping stripping can evolve into something better (Nina gives me hope) but with all these n00bs treating it like a party and not a job I really don't have much faith.
Melonie
12-25-2013, 07:51 AM
I make better $$ sitting in a high end Hotel bar, chatting up a guy, and telling him I work at club "X" and I hate going in because its so slow. He asks what I make in a night, I tell him, he pays, we continue to chat and drink, maybe gamble and I go home.
Indeed I often wind up doing something close to this 'way south of the border' ... however I actually have no need whatsoever of a strip club affiliation to be successful doing it !!!
Here's something to think about ... this sort of 'new' business model is actually a throwback to the 'courtesans' who flourished during the Renaissance !!!
But I feel for girls in smaller towns or places where people just don't have it period.
And, for better or worse, that circles us back to basics. Girls cannot earn money from guys who simply don't have any money available for spending on 'non-essential' things in the first place !!! Based on 'global' strip club history where too many girls are willing to do whatever is necessary to extract a shrinking amount of money from an increasingly 'poor' customer base, I certainly don't want to see the potential worst case outcome which has already been the case in certain southeast Asian city clubs becoming commonplace in the 'west'.
djezcheeze
12-25-2013, 07:52 AM
I'm starting to have a little faith. Last night a high roller came in who I knew because the week before he got a room with him and his usual girl and his limo driver and me. Well his girl wasn't there last night, so he took a liking to me. The club "bitch" (tattles on everyone, and steps on toes, thinks she's better than everyone) was trying to get him to do a room. When she went to go on stage he comes over to me and says, "She offered to do anything with me up there. I'm not into that, I want you." A-FUCKING-MEN. See what happens when you're a skank?!?
lilmisshustler
12-25-2013, 05:17 PM
I feel the pain! It has been the WORST year of my dancing career! I find myself asking 'why am I even her' UGH
Melonie
12-26-2013, 08:14 AM
Last night a high roller came in who I knew because the week before he got a room with him and his usual girl and his limo driver and me. Well his girl wasn't there last night, so he took a liking to me. The club "bitch" (tattles on everyone, and steps on toes, thinks she's better than everyone) was trying to get him to do a room. When she went to go on stage he comes over to me and says, "She offered to do anything with me up there. I'm not into that, I want you." A-FUCKING-MEN
Take it while you can still find it !!! And, indeed, latest economic statistics continue to show that the 'rich are getting richer'. The problem, of course, is that clubs which have a significant percentage of their customer base in the 'top 10%' of American earners are few and far between, and will not / do not hire every dancer who applies to work there.
Halliwell
12-26-2013, 08:34 AM
I am glad im not the only one noticing the HUGE decline is quality of dancers that are fucking up this business (aka 18-21 yr old skanks that dont treat it as A JOB) and the lack of guys actually realizing what they are getting themselves into when they walk into a strip club!!! I am repulsed every time i walk in there and see a table of 5-8 guys with NO GIRLS cause they dont spend a damn thing!!!!! wtf??? you think this is our community service??? not to mention most clubs show 0 appreciation for the dancers, and WITHOUT US, they wouldnt make shit!!! sorry for ranting i just hate that a once amazing business has turned into panhandling!!!
Melonie
12-26-2013, 09:00 AM
^^^ if there is any offsetting 'reality' from the 5-8 guys that aren't spending on dancers, from the clubowner's standpoint these guys are at least still paying cover charges and still generating club profits from drink sales. Without that revenue, the clubs would be seeking even more dollars out of the dancer's pockets and/or closing the club's doors due to bankruptcy thus reducing dancer earnings to zero.
obviously, there isn't any offsetting 'reality' to compensate for the fact that more and more guys simply don't have much in the way of dollars available for spending on 'non-essential' things like strip club visits, once they get done paying for 'necessary' things like student loan payments, rent, utilities, health insurance premiums or IRS penalty etc., out of their stagnant or shrinking after tax paychecks.
On the topic of clubowners not respecting dancers, from their standpoint there are now tons of girls who, between an inability to land a 'straight job' that provides sufficient after-tax income to pay their bills, plus the 'party girls' you describe, the clubowners know that they can replace any existing dancer who chooses to quit with a phone call. In fact, if the existing dancer doesn't offer 'extras' to customers, but the replacement dancer WILL offer 'extras' to customers, the clubowner stands to profit more if the existing dancer leaves !!!
Welcome to the new US strip club paradigm ...
- a comparative handful of upscale large city clubs who hire a comparative handful of 'top shelf' dancers are able to appeal to 'top 10%' earning club customers who can actually still afford to spend a significant amount of money in a strip club, or
- 'dirty' clubs where girls offer enough 'extras' to pursuade 'working class' customers to spend their limited dollars for a happy ending tonight, and worry about how they'll buy groceries and/or pay their rent tomorrow, or
- neighborhood / small city 'clean' clubs that are being 'starved' into slow motion bankruptcy due to insufficient available 'non-essential' spending dollars from the club's customer base to 'pay the club's bills', and/or to provide the 'clean' dancers with enough income to make dancing at the club worthwhile in the future.
dezire
12-26-2013, 02:07 PM
I am glad im not the only one noticing the HUGE decline is quality of dancers that are fucking up this business (aka 18-21 yr old skanks that dont treat it as A JOB) and the lack of guys actually realizing what they are getting themselves into when they walk into a strip club!!! I am repulsed every time i walk in there and see a table of 5-8 guys with NO GIRLS cause they dont spend a damn thing!!!!! wtf??? you think this is our community service??? not to mention most clubs show 0 appreciation for the dancers, and WITHOUT US, they wouldnt make shit!!! sorry for ranting i just hate that a once amazing business has turned into panhandling!!!
And this is what has made me hate this business. I know everyone says that if you no longer enjoy dancing..get it out..But it isnt that easy for me, and prolly many others like me.
People do still come into the bars..They come in in groups..What pisses me off is that they sit around and dont feel obligated to tip the dancers..They dont care that we are there to pay bills and be able to survive...They just care about buying their alcohol and sightseeing for free.
It has become cool to hangout in stripclubs and be a part of the scene..Meanwhile shitting all over the dancers and making fun of us many nights that I go into work at least. And if u rnt the 'favorite' of the night u dont make shit...
I miss the days when people came in and appreciated us..Those were some enjoyable times..I miss dancing in that
[email protected]# this one...
Melonie
12-26-2013, 02:19 PM
I know everyone says that if you no longer enjoy dancing..get it out..But it isnt that easy for me, and prolly many others like me.
I miss the days when people came in and appreciated us..Those were some enjoyable times..I miss dancing in that
[email protected]# this one...
This was the major reason that I retired from live dancing 4 years ago ... when it became crystal clear to me that the 'old' strip club paradigm ... where dancers were considered to be 'performers' rather than 'sex workers', when 'top shelf' but clean dancers were treated with at least some element of respect by clubowners and club customers alike, and where 'average' club customers could still afford to spend a fair amount of money at a strip club without short-changing their mortgage payment and/or car payment and/or grocery and utility bills ... was not going to come back into existence within the practical 'lifetime' of my dancing career !!!
Granted that it was financially possible for me to 'walk away' from live dancing without too much lifestyle disruption, a situation which isn't the case for lots of younger dancers who didn't have the benefit of being able to cray 'bank' during the 90's tech boom and early 00's real estate boom. However, even though some younger dancers 'need' the elevated level of earnings potential that dancing used to be able to provide, wishful thinking is not going to increase the amount of money in club customer paychecks, nor reduce the amount of money club customers must pay in taxes, utility bills, rent / mortgage, groceries, tuition / student loans, and other 'essential' items, to increase the net amount of money available for strip club spending. And, unfortunately, I really don't see anything on the economic horizon that is likely to increase the amount of after-tax, after 'necessities' money which would allow 'middle class' strip club customers to afford to spend the same amount of money in suburban / neighborhood strip clubs that they used to.
As stated multiple times in earlier posts, IMHO younger dancers basically have two remaining options to still be able to earn significant amounts of money from dancing these days. One option is to get comfortable with the fact that a large number of customers that are actually willing to spend money in strip clubs these days expect to receive 'extras'. Another option is to relocate to a big city which is capable of supporting an upscale strip club, a city which also has a significant number of guys living / working in that city that fall in the 'top 10%' of all American earners to still make high spending in that upscale strip club possible.
Obviously a fair number of younger dancers are not going to be comfortable offering 'extras', and are also going to be unwilling or unable to pull up stakes and move to a big city and also get hired by an upscale strip club. For better or worse, younger dancers that can't or won't explore these two options are most likely going to experience a continuing 'downhill' trend. And, undoubtedly, at some point, those younger dancers' 'downhill' trend will reach the point where they begin to question the wisdom of continuing to work at a strip club where they are treated increasingly poorly and earning increasingly less money.
djezcheeze
12-26-2013, 03:18 PM
Welcome to the new US strip club paradigm ...
- a comparative handful of upscale large city clubs who hire a comparative handful of 'top shelf' dancers are able to appeal to 'top 10%' earning club customers who can actually still afford to spend a significant amount of money in a strip club, or
- 'dirty' clubs where girls offer enough 'extras' to pursuade 'working class' customers to spend their limited dollars for a happy ending tonight, and worry about how they'll buy groceries and/or pay their rent tomorrow, or
- neighborhood / small city 'clean' clubs that are being 'starved' into slow motion bankruptcy due to insufficient available 'non-essential' spending dollars from the club's customer base to 'pay the club's bills', and/or to provide the 'clean' dancers with enough income to make dancing at the club worthwhile in the future.
I never even experienced the old strip club paradigm, since I've only been dancing since 2010, but since then I can tell a dramatic decline in spending. I worked at a local small city clean club which you described above, and that is pretty much what happened. I never made bank, but with the club being 30-40 minutes away, clean, good management, good girls etc, 300-400 and sometimes more just working weeknights is good in my book (and I'm not a very aggressive hustler). Most of us could make a steady grand a week working three days. The last year I was there the management started hiring more girls, uglier ones at that, and started putting on more events to get a bigger crowd in. Unfortunately, it's good for the club, but horrible for the dancers. I know they've lost quite a few of their "good" girls there and are just left with a bunch of duds in my book. I changed to a club in a bigger city, although twice the distance. It is a top tier high quality gentleman's club, and attracts the 10% of men who do have money to blow. It also helps that Im' right by the nation's capital, so a lot of people are there on business. Girls are complaining that they aren't making $600 on a weekday night. LOL. Yes, there are some extras there, but if you are caught by management you will get fired. Management does look out for us and I do enjoy working for them. They have more strict guidelines, weight restrictions, etc as far as working there goes (as it should), however I still think the quality of girls for THAT club could be better. I am pissed I didn't save any money the last few years, however, I had health problems and only worked about half the time. I am really worried about what is going to happen with all of this, and I have been working on being a Domme online and in real time to kind of phase out of dancing. To be honest people all over the world will spend tons of money on their fetish, and that is something that I see being profitable in the future. It just makes me sad because I love dancing, but the current economy is complete bullshit. I grow up and finally on my own, and I have absolutely nothing.
Tourdefranzia
12-26-2013, 03:27 PM
If you're referring to a return to the 'good ol' days' when customers had lots of money to spend, when customers were content with low/no contact, when dancers were appreciated for their performing skills on the club's pole ( as opposed to the customer's 'pole' ), etc. ... not a chance.
I guess this depends on where you are located. There are places where you can make good stage money and go home with a decent sum ($200 or so) w/o doing any private dances. You better be able to perform, though. Sauntering around the stage for 2 songs won't earn a dancer that kind of money. She has to have the total package.
tempest666
12-26-2013, 08:50 PM
I'm getting bored by dancing. Not burned out just bored....add to the inevitable and I just don't care anymore. I'm probably just gonna travel occasionally if I need a break from the Philly burbs.
dezire
12-27-2013, 02:02 AM
This was the major reason that I retired from live dancing 4 years ago ... when it became crystal clear to me that the 'old' strip club paradigm ... where dancers were considered to be 'performers' rather than 'sex workers', when 'top shelf' but clean dancers were treated with at least some element of respect by clubowners and club customers alike, and where 'average' club customers could still afford to spend a fair amount of money at a strip club without short-changing their mortgage payment and/or car payment and/or grocery and utility bills ... was not going to come back into existence within the practical 'lifetime' of my dancing career !!!
Granted that it was financially possible for me to 'walk away' from live dancing without too much lifestyle disruption, a situation which isn't the case for lots of younger dancers who didn't have the benefit of being able to cray 'bank' during the 90's tech boom and early 00's real estate boom. However, even though some younger dancers 'need' the elevated level of earnings potential that dancing used to be able to provide, wishful thinking is not going to increase the amount of money in club customer paychecks, nor reduce the amount of money club customers must pay in taxes, utility bills, rent / mortgage, groceries, tuition / student loans, and other 'essential' items, to increase the net amount of money available for strip club spending. And, unfortunately, I really don't see anything on the economic horizon that is likely to increase the amount of after-tax, after 'necessities' money which would allow 'middle class' strip club customers to afford to spend the same amount of money in suburban / neighborhood strip clubs that they used to.
As stated multiple times in earlier posts, IMHO younger dancers basically have two remaining options to still be able to earn significant amounts of money from dancing these days. One option is to get comfortable with the fact that a large number of customers that are actually willing to spend money in strip clubs these days expect to receive 'extras'. Another option is to relocate to a big city which is capable of supporting an upscale strip club, a city which also has a significant number of guys living / working in that city that fall in the 'top 10%' of all American earners to still make high spending in that upscale strip club possible.
Obviously a fair number of younger dancers are not going to be comfortable offering 'extras', and are also going to be unwilling or unable to pull up stakes and move to a big city and also get hired by an upscale strip club. For better or worse, younger dancers that can't or won't explore these two options are most likely going to experience a continuing 'downhill' trend. And, undoubtedly, at some point, those younger dancers' 'downhill' trend will reach the point where they begin to question the wisdom of continuing to work at a strip club where they are treated increasingly poorly and earning increasingly less money.
Many excellent points as usual. :)
I do not fit the category of the younger dancers, nor of the dancers willing to do extras to keep money going. I am one of the ones who has adjusted her standard of living to make it in these times. It is sad to see the days in dancing where the 'top girls', who are younger than me and hotter are lower themselves to nasty stage shows, and low standards of how they are willing to let a customer carry on with them..
Many people prolly dont like how I carry my head high oftentimes at work....I may not be the highest earner nor have the hottest body..I am not understand the false idea that I do but my 'I dont take shit off people' attitude allows me to go home at night and feel good in my own skin...Everyone has their own boundaries though and I do understand that..
I do understand how many girls would want to leave this industry..Many have..
The future outside of dancing looks just as bleak as that inside as it stands now.
dezire
12-27-2013, 02:05 AM
*I am not under the false idea
lol1337a
12-27-2013, 03:55 AM
Melonie, could you elaborate any more on the southeast Asian clubs? I get the impression they're pretty wild!
Also, I totally agree with your breakdown. Until last year I made solid money at a clean small city club, but only because the owner was very generous in terms of base pay and dancer cuts. As a result, the average dancer income in this neighborhood club artificially weathered the recession for a while. When he died the new owner implemented a less generous payout structure that resembles industry standard, and unsurprisingly the money ceased to be worth it. I left for a top 10% club in a big city and although the money is much better here, I'll always be sad that I probably can't go back to making solid $ in a bikini dance club with no VIP. I make way more here a night, but I wouldn't call it easy money like I did the five years I was there.
Melonie
12-27-2013, 04:47 AM
Melonie, could you elaborate any more on the southeast Asian clubs? I get the impression they're pretty wild!
I'll just comment that the 'sexual tourism' trade exists for a reason !!!
I left for a top 10% club in a big city and although the money is much better here, I'll always be sad that I probably can't go back to making $2k/week in 3-4 shifts in a bikini dance club with no VIP like I did for 5 years. I make way more here a night, but I wouldn't call it easy money
In a way you were 'lucky' to be in a position to commute / move to take advantage of the top 10% big city club. Lots of girls don't have that option, short of pulling up stakes and leaving friends and family behind. Also, you were doubly 'lucky' that you also have the necessary 'attributes' and experience to be hired by that top 10% big city club. Lots of small city club dancers couldn't make the 'cut'.
Indeed, such a top 10% big city club still provides comparatively high dancer earnings opportunities. However, A. you definitely have to 'work harder' for the money, B. the club will tend to 'take' more of your money, C. taxes will definitely take more of your money, D. higher costs of living in the big city will definitely 'eat up' more of the money you have left !!! Thus it's not enough to simply compare the amount of money you walk out of the clubs with at the end of the night. What really needs to be compared is the amount of money you are able to save by the end of the year, after taxes and costs of living have been paid. I know that, in my own case, when I was living and working in Manhattan the 'gross' amount of dollars I was earning were major, but after paying all of the taxes, paying for comparatively expensive rent, groceries, utilities, etc., I still wasn't making a whole lot of financial headway re savings and investments.
The future outside of dancing looks just as bleak as that inside as it stands now
The 'official statistics' now tend to show that the US economy is 'improving'. However, it's still pretty accurate to say that, outside of some highly specialized 'niches' which require proper educational credentials, there is still a major surplus of 'unskilled labor' applicants for every available job. And, unfortunately, with that sort of 'competition', the straight job employers have the luxury of 'losing' the resumes of applicants whose personal characteristics and/or past work history might lead to potential 'problems' for that straight job employer.
Extremely hot girls already pose the potential for disrupting straight job co-workers. Adding a 'stripper' background only increases that potential .... well, in the eyes of the potential straight job employer anyhow. Thus with new laws requiring the issuance of 1099's by strip clubs, requiring girls to obtain dancers' licenses etc., it's now more likely than ever that a girl's 'stripper' background cannot be kept a complete secret from potential straight job employers. This potential of creating a 'paper trail' of having worked as a 'stripper', of course, adds one more factor in regard to any decision whether it is still 'worth it' for a girl to continue working for 'marginal' money in a small city club.
djezcheeze
12-27-2013, 09:02 AM
^^^This is why I'm glad I can commute to a major city (although my commute is an hour and a half) while still maintaining a relatively low income lifestyle in my small town where I live.
dezire
12-27-2013, 10:57 AM
The 'official statistics' now tend to show that the US economy is 'improving'. However, it's still pretty accurate to say that, outside of some highly specialized 'niches' which require proper educational credentials, there is still a major surplus of 'unskilled labor' applicants for every available job. And, unfortunately, with that sort of 'competition', the straight job employers have the luxury of 'losing' the resumes of applicants whose personal characteristics and/or past work history might lead to potential 'problems' for that straight job employer.
Extremely hot girls already pose the potential for disrupting straight job co-workers. Adding a 'stripper' background only increases that potential .... well, in the eyes of the potential straight job employer anyhow. Thus with new laws requiring the issuance of 1099's by strip clubs, requiring girls to obtain dancers' licenses etc., it's now more likely than ever that a girl's 'stripper' background cannot be kept a complete secret from potential straight job employers. This potential of creating a 'paper trail' of having worked as a 'stripper', of course, adds one more factor in regard to any decision whether it is still 'worth it' for a girl to continue working for 'marginal' money in a small city club.
Even with a degree, unless is it specialized people like me are considered 'unskilled laborers' and therefore are having a hard time finding jobs. Added to that huge resume gaps, and no solid references and this is how one stays in dancing for wayy too long. Not to mention the fact that it is crazy how if u r attractive/and a woman in the real world u can get discriminated against. The whole job market outside of dancing is very frustrating...The minimum wage jobs are the only ones that seem easily accessible and they dont pay most people's bills enough for survival.
Melonie
12-27-2013, 11:22 AM
This is why I'm glad I can commute to a major city (although my commute is an hour and a half) while still maintaining a relatively low income lifestyle in my small town where I live.
That's basically what I did as well ... moving from Manhattan to one of the least expensive North Jersey suburbs that was still within range of Manhattan Penn Station commuter rail. This still wasn't 'cheap' relative to nationwide costs of living, but was much less expensive than living in NYC.
Even with a degree, unless is it specialized people like me are considered 'unskilled laborers' and therefore are having a hard time finding jobs. Added to that huge resume gaps, and no solid references and this is how one stays in dancing for wayy too long
Agreed that a teaching degree will wind up landing far fewer jobs than a robotics engineering degree these days. After all, gov't are being forced to cut back on spending, existing teachers can no longer afford to retire early, etc. On the other hand, robotics engineers are under the gun to develop commercial robotic equipment that can cook hamburgers, that can pick fruit and vegetables, that can 'walk' a security guard beat, etc. more economically than a minimum wage human worker !!! But that's drifting off-topic.
Your point about being 'stuck' as a dancer once a girl starts dancing is well taken. Indeed, it is increasingly the case that the 'paper trail' of having worked in any capacity of the adult entertainment industry ... along with sketchy references and a 'swiss cheese' straight job history ... will hurt the girl's opportunities for future straight job opportunities later. And this is especially the case for girls who are using dancing to educate themselves to the point of becoming qualified for a future straight 'profession' i.e. teaching, health care etc., since state professional licensing boards now pay a great deal of attention to in-depth background checks.
Moving logically forward, it is arguably 'still worth it' for a girl to spend 10+ years maximizing her earnings potential as a full time dancer in a 'top 10%' club ... then quitting dancing altogether while obtaining a college degree ... then moving into the 'professional' job market 4 years later with a more-or-less irrelevant past work history. It is arguably far less 'worth it' for a girl to work as an exotic dancer part time at a low income potential club while she is simultaneously obtaining a college degree ... then embarking on the 'professional' job market with a fresh 'paper trail' of having worked as a 'stripper'. Of course, if the girl is swept up in a bogus club bust which places the fact that she has worked as a 'stripper' on her permanent ( criminal ) record, in the former case the girl can judge for herself whether or not it's still worth the tuition and time to pursue a 'professional' degree before committing any time or money ... with no ongoing risk of being busted while she is studying for her degree. In the latter case, the girl may have already invested 3 out of 4 years worth of time and money toward obtaining her 'professional' degree, with a bogus club bust suddenly putting all of the 3 years worth of previous investment and effort at risk of never being 'usable' as intended.
Not to mention the fact that it is crazy how if u r attractive/and a woman in the real world u can get discriminated against
Actually, court rulings have stated that the firing of a highly attractive female employee isn't 'discrimination' ... thus straight job employers are now justified for firing a highly attractive employee if her attractiveness creates a 'distraction' for other employees and/or the boss, or otherwise 'disrupts' the workplace environment !!! Thus the drooling male workers, and the jealous overweight female workers, can now be 'protected' via their employer legally removing the object of their drool and jealousy !!!
RedWine
12-27-2013, 02:28 PM
Indeed I often wind up doing something close to this 'way south of the border' ... however I actually have no need whatsoever of a strip club affiliation to be successful doing it !!!
Here's something to think about ... this sort of 'new' business model is actually a throwback to the 'courtesans' who flourished during the Renaissance !!!
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I certainly hope so! I was not the greatest stripper, but I have always been able to earn my best income from a classy alluring appearance and intriguing conversation.
Melonie
12-27-2013, 02:49 PM
^^^ IMHO this is a 'growing' market segment. Top 1% earners are leery of 'dating' these days, since they now have some legitimate reason to fear legal / financial consequences by entering into any sort of 'personal relationship' that isn't actually going to end up in marriage ( with a signed pre-nup ! ). However, those top 1% earners often seek more 'interaction' than is available from an escort or a high-end exotic dancer ( while they are 'working' at least ). That opens the door for new opportunities for girls willing to provide short term, no strings, 'companionship' at a suitable level of intelligence, demeanor, worldly experience,personality etc. to satisfy a 1% earner ... and with sex being strictly optional ( and not expected ). I actually stumbled across this 'unfulfilled market niche' more or less by accident, after moving to a popular vacation area down here 'way south of the border' and regularly running into a large number of vacationing 1%ers at the local casino, marina, beachfront bars etc.
Not wanting to 'blow my own horn', and definitely not wanting to 'blow' anything else unless the mood strikes me LOL, but as you have already pointed out, being successful in this market niche requires a skill set that goes well beyond looking fantastic, wearing sexy clothes well, and having pole dancing skills.
personally speaking, I'm always a 'sucker' for an invitation to go sailing on a vacationing handsome guy's ... yacht !!!
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dezire
12-28-2013, 02:23 AM
I cant believe being attractive can cause you to be disqualified from jobs..This goes against what I have known my entire life..Talk about a culture shock...Maybe if I added on 50 pounds and stopped grooming myself I would have a better time getting jobs.