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Melonie
12-28-2013, 05:03 AM
I cant believe being attractive can cause you to be disqualified from jobs..This goes against what I have known my entire life..Talk about a culture shock...Maybe if I added on 50 pounds and stopped grooming myself I would have a better time getting jobs.

^^^ well, the facts are what they are ... beginning with


(snip)"IOWA CITY, Iowa -- The Iowa Supreme Court on Friday stood by its ruling that a dentist acted legally when he fired an assistant because he found her too attractive and worried he would try to start an affair.

Coming to the same conclusion as it did in December, the all-male court found that bosses can fire employees they see as threats to their marriages, even if the subordinates have not engaged in flirtatious or other inappropriate behavior. The court said such firings do not count as illegal sex discrimination because they are motivated by feelings, not gender.

The ruling upholds a judge's decision to dismiss a discrimination lawsuit filed against Fort Dodge dentist James Knight, who fired assistant Melissa Nelson, even while acknowledging she had been a stellar employee for 10 years. Knight and his wife believed that his attraction to Nelson – two decades younger than the dentist – had become a threat to their marriage. Nelson, now 33, was replaced by another woman"(snip)

and from the NY Times ...

(snip)" “In general, ugly women are perceived as competent while pretty women are perceived as having used their looks to get ahead.”

By Friday, Colonel Arnhart had been reassigned, but her opinion had already ignited the Internet. On Jezebel, one commenter compared it to a surgeon showing up “in a micromini, stilettos and halter top,” adding, “you can’t tell me that wouldn’t raise your eyebrows and make you question your choice of surgeon at least a little.”

Chloe Angyal, a senior editor at Feministing.com, thinks the controversy exposes a double bind in society. “You have to be beautiful to matter, but beauty can and will be used against you,” she said.

The question of whether women can be too attractive for their jobs has come up several other times recently. Over the summer, Olivia Sprauer, a high school teacher in Florida, was forced to resign after photos of her posing in a bikini were found by her principal.

And last week, The New York Post reported that a yoga teacher, Dilek Edwards, filed court papers over her dismissal from a chiropractic clinic. Charles Nicolai, the owner of the clinic with his wife, Stephanie Adams, had told Ms. Edwards that his wife might become jealous of her on account of being “too cute.” (Ms. Adams denied the allegations.)

“This takes ‘she was asking for it’ to a whole new level,” Ms. Angyal said, adding: “ ‘What is she doing walking around with a face like that?’ Perhaps we shouldn’t let men run businesses and have the nuclear launch code if you can’t handle someone who has a pretty smile and nice breasts.” (snip)

(snip)"Jack Tuckner, a civil rights lawyer in Manhattan’s financial district who represented Debrahlee Lorenzana when she sued Citibank a few years ago for firing her for being too attractive, said, “It’s quite Victorian, this idea of ‘Let’s run this woman out of town on a rail before our own desires get the better of us.’ ”

But Sylvia Ann Hewlett, the author of “Forget a Mentor, Find a Sponsor,” is more pragmatic: “Many powerful senior men feel nervous about having a female protégé out of fear there will be assumptions about an affair.”(snip)


Trying to put this in perspective for very attractive SW readers who have worked as exotic dancers and camgirls, with the various changes in US law, recent lawsuits ( those in the above Times story plus very high profile cases re Kobe Bryant, Dominic Strauss Kahn, Duke Lacrosse, etc. ) and the practical considerations of a private business, it's possible that when you apply for a 'straight' job the boss / HR person is going to consider the following ...

- adding a very attractive female to the straight job workplace is likely to create a 'distraction' for male co-workers, which can reduce their productivity

- adding a very attractive female who will have any sort of proximity to supervisors / bosses poses a risk to the company, from potential 'affair' attempts with / by the boss, to potential complaints from other workers that the very attractive female has received raises for reasons other than her actual job performance, to risk of bogus or justified lawsuits involving the very attractive female and the supervisor / boss .

- adding a very attractive female to any work environment which is majority female co-workers can lead to workplace 'disruption' via jealousy / cattiness, thus potential lawsuits for 'hostile work environment' being brought by the very attractive female

- in the absence of a well established work history in the straight job's field of expertise, questions may be raised as to whether a very attractive female potential employee obtained her qualifications via good work reports / good grades that were actually 'deserved', versus good work reports / good grades that were given as the result of her attractiveness prompting 'special treatment'.

Also consider that any very attractive female straight job applicant that also has a documented history of adult industry work of any kind is likely to prompt the boss / HR person to 'assume the worst' i.e. increased potential for 'disruption' of the workplace, for possible 'affairs', for possible lawsuits, etc. As long as potential straight job employers have a tall stack of resume's to choose from, it's indeed very probable that very attractive female applicants ... and especially that very attractive female applicants with a documentable history of 'stripping' or adult webcam ... will find that their resume's may have 'accidentally' fallen into the waste basket.

Obviously, there are certain categories of straight jobs where a very attractive female has an advantage ( that outweighs potential risks for the employer )... sales, bar and restaurant service, media, mainstream 'entertainment', fashion, etc. Apparently it's OK to hire a very attractive female employee if the 'normal' situation for the employer is to already have a high percentage of very attractive female employees !!! Where a very attractive female is most likely to encounter 'problems' is with employers which do NOT already have a significant number of very attractive female employees.

GlamourRouge
12-28-2013, 05:19 AM
I cant believe being attractive can cause you to be disqualified from jobs..This goes against what I have known my entire life..Talk about a culture shock...Maybe if I added on 50 pounds and stopped grooming myself I would have a better time getting jobs.

You know whats hilarious about that? Its true. SO true.

My good friend who is also a sexworker, is dating a guy who is a multimillionaire and owns a really successful chain of businesses. He said himself that he purposely only hires unattractive women (and men?) so that they are not a distraction to him, and so he does not mix business with pleasure. lmao. A mark of a good businessman though, honestly. Gone are the days of hiring a sexy secretary when you can just meet sugarbabies left and right now OUTSIDE of work.


That being said, I don't think being attractive makes life any easier. Its definitely a trade off. And it has its pros and cons.

Attractive women get turned down for things because they are a distraction (as this thread has pointed out) or are deemed dumb (as if you can't be attractive AND smart as hell, wtf)... and they are also picked on by other jealous women and men you turn down. These things don't happen to a plain jane, or any average woman. The average women get hired and are looked at for their intelligence. They may not get the perks of free drinks, invitations to parties, and what have you, but they also don't get picked on and disqualified for things by threatened individuals in points of authority. That being said, I still think life is best if you maximize your attractiveness until its gone if you live in a big city. You get the perks of the rich (parties, lavish things, etc) without actually being rich.

rusdancer
12-28-2013, 06:52 AM
I completely agree with everything that has been said here, especially with Melonie, since we have been in the biz about the same time. The business has changed permanently. As someone who had been in the business since the early 90s, I can safely assume that it will never go back to the way it used to be. It is sad but true. Indeed, the business is not "entertainment" anymore; it is now "sex work". I have seen a shocking change in the NYC clubs and the surrounding areas, very recently, and often could not believe my eyes. Extras seem to be the norm, even out in the open areas, and for very low fees. I have also noticed that some dancers who constantly repeat the exact words: "I never perform extras", and point to others, are the ones who do perform them. Some of the reviews here of NYC/area clubs and some other ones that I have worked at are spot on.

Unfortunately the lack of the potential for making a decent living in the clubs has also dramatically increased competition, turning dancers against each other and giving way to direct and calculated cut throating and back stabbing. This creates a hostile work environment. A lack of good and well trained or educated management just compounds the problems. Some management decisions are lead by greed and personal interest, and not the interests of the business.

I have always loved this business, have worked in multiple locations, even internationally, and have been very successful, but at this time I have also decided that I am not for this business anymore, and this business is not for me anymore. I have officially hung up the heels and retired.

On a lighter point, there is still money out there, even for clean dancers, but at a much higher cost. Go in and get it while you still can, go to school, invest it, and save every penny, because it will just keep getting slower. Good luck to everyone! :)

Melonie
12-28-2013, 08:37 AM
have always loved this business, have worked in multiple locations, even internationally, and have been very successful, but at this time I have also decided that I am not for this business anymore, and this business is not for me anymore. I have officially hung up the heels and retired.

This is PRECISELY the conclusion that I myself came to. And you didn't mention yet another factor contributing to our decisions ... the fact that feature entertainers are now earning the majority of their money from 'private sessions' between feature performances, rather than from the feature booking and performances themselves.



there is still money out there, even for clean dancers, but at a much higher cost.

Indeed. And that higher 'cost' isn't just in the form of reduced dancer earnings potential in today's clubs. With spreading 'technology', increased gov't / tax information gathering, and increasingly thorough background checks, these days the creation of a 'paper trail' from exotic dancing or camming may 'cost' the girl future earnings potential in the straight job world via her 'adult industry' background reducing future straight job opportunities.



lack of the potential for making a decent living in the clubs has also dramatically increased competition, turning dancers against each other and giving way to direct and calculated cut throating and back stabbing. This creates a hostile work environment. A lack of good and well trained or educated management just compounds the problems. Some management decisions are lead by greed and personal interest, and not the interests of the business.

In fairness to club management, it's difficult to pass up 'short term' opportunities to extract additional moneys from dancers and customers today ( with associated negative long term side effects ) in order to 'invest' in improved future club operations when the 'long term' economic viability of the club is no longer a given. Higher 'costs of doing business' for the club, i.e. rising property taxes, rising utility bills, rising insurance costs, show no signs of a trend reversal. 'Employee' dancer lawsuits, potential changes in local laws affecting strip clubs, etc. pose unknown future risk factors. Strip club owners are no different than the owners of any other business regarding a reluctance to 'invest' in an uncertain future ... thus they now tend to 'get what they can, while they can'. Arguably, this is forcing dancers to adopt the same attitude.

And you are absolutely correct in assessing that today's dancers have no 'leverage' with club management ... given that tons of new girls are available. Some clubowners have combined these two facts to 'bleed' more revenues from house fees by increasing the number of dancers allowed to work at the same time. But this in turn divides available customer money in a larger number of smaller portions, leading to increased competition. And that increased competition among dancers leads to 'extras' being offered by some dancers, which in turn leads to increased expectations of 'extras' by club customers, which in turn leads to heavy pressure on ( formerly ) 'clean' dancers to also offer 'extras' or see her income potential decline even faster.



it will never go back to the way it used to be.

It can't go back to the way it used to be, even if all of the parties involved wanted it to ( which they don't ) . Strip club management has figured out that collecting more house fees from more dancers per shift equals higher club earnings. Some number of new dancers have no problem offering 'extras' as a means of improving their dancing incomes. Strip club customers have figured out that at least SOME dancers in the club will provide them 'extras', and often aren't willing to spend significant money without 'extras' being thrown in. Strip club management has figured out that tolerating 'extras' in the club represents higher earnings for the club via a higher number of resulting private dance / VIP sales, with near zero legal risk to the club itself. With both club management and some number of dancers, as well as many club customers, being perfectly comfortable with 'extras', there is no way that some number of 'clean' dancers is going to prevail against this 'majority' opinion.



I still think life is best if you maximize your attractiveness until its gone if you live in a big city. You get the perks of the rich (parties, lavish things, etc) without actually being rich.

I'll agree to partaking in the perks of the rich !!! However, I prefer to do it down here in a 'way south of the border' vacation paradise where the local costs of living are laughably low, where I can legally avoid having to pay tens of thousands of dollars per year to the IRS on my 'gift' income and investment earnings, etc.

RusDancer, if you ever happen to get your 'retired' self down this way, there's a beachfront bar stool waiting with your name on it ... as well as any number of 'well heeled' vacationing guys ready to buy drinks / dinner / take you 'sailing' !!!

http://www.condominiumcentral.net/property-images/Grand%20Caribe%201.jpg

dezire
12-28-2013, 01:02 PM
Obviously, there are certain categories of straight jobs where a very attractive female has an advantage ( that outweighs potential risks for the employer )... sales, bar and restaurant service, media, mainstream 'entertainment', fashion, etc. Apparently it's OK to hire a very attractive female employee if the 'normal' situation for the employer is to already have a high percentage of very attractive female employees !!! Where a very attractive female is most likely to encounter 'problems' is with employers which do NOT already have a significant number of very attractive female employees.


I cant believe how sexism in the legal system is allowed. But I suppose I shouldnt be surprised bc of how male-dominated it is. Those articles make me sad..The reality is harsh. For me personally, the suggestions of going for jobs where as there are already a bunch of hot women employed is the way to go..I am getting older..One would think this would be an issue for girls in their 20s maybe..But not someone who is slightly older...Thanks for the suggestions. No need for me to waste time trying to go for jobs where as I am not avg or below avg enough to get hired.(thing is I am not superhot like some women, but I guess still attractive enough to be a threat).That seems like a whole lot of interviews and job applications that would be a waste of time and energy on my part.

Trixia
12-28-2013, 01:42 PM
Imho the most enjoyable jobs are the ones where you can use your looks to your advantage anyways. Being a secretary is awful. Stick to things like sales where the short contact with the drooling guy gets him to buy double what he originally intended to spend. Or where you need to manage and direct guys and can use your charms to get them to commit to things they would otherwise not commit to. Put your past to work for your future, no sense throwing it all away when you have applicable job experience for other careers should you choose that direction.

simone87
12-28-2013, 01:48 PM
being REALLY attractive may have disadvantages, but being unattractive has many more..trust me i used to be an ugly duckling and life was hell. everyone is mean to you when you are unattractive including judges, doctors, teachers, guys, girls, employers, etc. unattractive people are paid less, given harsher sentences, and treated like dirt simply because of looks. so as bad as being attractive may seem to some women, try being unattractive for one day.
so i think i've come to the conclusion that looking on the average side of attractive is the best thing.
i know that my life has vastly improved as my looks have. people are shallow

dezire
12-28-2013, 02:01 PM
Imho the most enjoyable jobs are the ones where you can use your looks to your advantage anyways. Being a secretary is awful. Stick to things like sales where the short contact with the drooling guy gets him to buy double what he originally intended to spend. Or where you need to manage and direct guys and can use your charms to get them to commit to things they would otherwise not commit to. Put your past to work for your future, no sense throwing it all away when you have applicable job experience for other careers should you choose that direction.

Anymore great job suggestions? Melonie definitely mentioned a few.. : )

dezire
12-28-2013, 02:05 PM
being REALLY attractive may have disadvantages, but being unattractive has many more..trust me i used to be an ugly duckling and life was hell. everyone is mean to you when you are unattractive including judges, doctors, teachers, guys, girls, employers, etc. unattractive people are paid less, given harsher sentences, and treated like dirt simply because of looks. so as bad as being attractive may seem to some women, try being unattractive for one day.
so i think i've come to the conclusion that looking on the average side of attractive is the best thing.
i know that my life has vastly improved as my looks have. people are shallow

Wish I could change people from always judging on the outside without getting to know the inside first. Hell would prolly freeze over before that would change. Its pitiful really..I do enjoy and appreciate knowing the few people I know who like me for my heart and mind..And who could care less about the outside.

crystalize
12-28-2013, 02:46 PM
being REALLY attractive may have disadvantages, but being unattractive has many more..trust me i used to be an ugly duckling and life was hell. everyone is mean to you when you are unattractive including judges, doctors, teachers, guys, girls, employers, etc. unattractive people are paid less, given harsher sentences, and treated like dirt simply because of looks. so as bad as being attractive may seem to some women, try being unattractive for one day.
so i think i've come to the conclusion that looking on the average side of attractive is the best thing.
i know that my life has vastly improved as my looks have. people are shallow

It's funny you say that about judges, etc.. Whenever I'm in a situation where I face someone (really almost any situation) I pray I deal with a man! Lol! Dealing with women, especially unattractive ones, is the worst when you are more attractive...

Now back to the thread: can you say depressing??

But there's a lot of truth in it. The way I see it is there are still money places, money clubs and crazy high earners. But it's survival of the fittest and for many girls it's starting to be a waste of time. Better for the hustlers! The hustlers will always know how to make money.

GlamourRouge
12-28-2013, 05:15 PM
I cant believe how sexism in the legal system is allowed. But I suppose I shouldnt be surprised bc of how male-dominated it is. Those articles make me sad..The reality is harsh. For me personally, the suggestions of going for jobs where as there are already a bunch of hot women employed is the way to go..I am getting older..One would think this would be an issue for girls in their 20s maybe..But not someone who is slightly older...Thanks for the suggestions. No need for me to waste time trying to go for jobs where as I am not avg or below avg enough to get hired.(thing is I am not superhot like some women, but I guess still attractive enough to be a threat).That seems like a whole lot of interviews and job applications that would be a waste of time and energy on my part.

I wouldn't even call it "male-dominated" because a lot of the people doing the hiring these days are women. And women, especially older women or overweight women, tend to be very very threatened by attractive or young women. I feel like an older man would more likely hire you than an older woman.



It's funny you say that about judges, etc.. Whenever I'm in a situation where I face someone (really almost any situation) I pray I deal with a man! Lol! Dealing with women, especially unattractive ones, is the worst when you are more attractive...

I agree. Its honestly scary. I feel bad saying this, but I have never really met a man in my adult years who was ~*mean*~ to me. Its always women. Always. That is really sad.

tempest666
12-28-2013, 07:42 PM
Idk about y'all but I'm eyeballing the lifeboat and getting ready to abandon ship before it sinks. It's not a question of IF it's WHEN. I suggest you grab a seat on the metaphorical lifeboat and get ready. I'm not quitting anytime soon but I'm definitely thinking about the future. And in my bleak vision, there is NO future for stripping as we know it. Maybe I'm wrong. But I won't hold my breath.

xxxGothBarbie
12-28-2013, 08:22 PM
I feel ya girl :/

rusdancer
12-28-2013, 09:33 PM
This is PRECISELY the conclusion that I myself came to. And you didn't mention yet another factor contributing to our decisions ... the fact that feature entertainers are now earning the majority of their money from 'private sessions' between feature performances, rather than from the feature booking and performances themselves.




Indeed. And that higher 'cost' isn't just in the form of reduced dancer earnings potential in today's clubs. With spreading 'technology', increased gov't / tax information gathering, and increasingly thorough background checks, these days the creation of a 'paper trail' from exotic dancing or camming may 'cost' the girl future earnings potential in the straight job world via her 'adult industry' background reducing future straight job opportunities.




In fairness to club management, it's difficult to pass up 'short term' opportunities to extract additional moneys from dancers and customers today ( with associated negative long term side effects ) in order to 'invest' in improved future club operations when the 'long term' economic viability of the club is no longer a given. Higher 'costs of doing business' for the club, i.e. rising property taxes, rising utility bills, rising insurance costs, show no signs of a trend reversal. 'Employee' dancer lawsuits, potential changes in local laws affecting strip clubs, etc. pose unknown future risk factors. Strip club owners are no different than the owners of any other business regarding a reluctance to 'invest' in an uncertain future ... thus they now tend to 'get what they can, while they can'. Arguably, this is forcing dancers to adopt the same attitude.

And you are absolutely correct in assessing that today's dancers have no 'leverage' with club management ... given that tons of new girls are available. Some clubowners have combined these two facts to 'bleed' more revenues from house fees by increasing the number of dancers allowed to work at the same time. But this in turn divides available customer money in a larger number of smaller portions, leading to increased competition. And that increased competition among dancers leads to 'extras' being offered by some dancers, which in turn leads to increased expectations of 'extras' by club customers, which in turn leads to heavy pressure on ( formerly ) 'clean' dancers to also offer 'extras' or see her income potential decline even faster.




It can't go back to the way it used to be, even if all of the parties involved wanted it to ( which they don't ) . Strip club management has figured out that collecting more house fees from more dancers per shift equals higher club earnings. Some number of new dancers have no problem offering 'extras' as a means of improving their dancing incomes. Strip club customers have figured out that at least SOME dancers in the club will provide them 'extras', and often aren't willing to spend significant money without 'extras' being thrown in. Strip club management has figured out that tolerating 'extras' in the club represents higher earnings for the club via a higher number of resulting private dance / VIP sales, with near zero legal risk to the club itself. With both club management and some number of dancers, as well as many club customers, being perfectly comfortable with 'extras', there is no way that some number of 'clean' dancers is going to prevail against this 'majority' opinion.




I'll agree to partaking in the perks of the rich !!! However, I prefer to do it down here in a 'way south of the border' vacation paradise where the local costs of living are laughably low, where I can legally avoid having to pay tens of thousands of dollars per year to the IRS on my 'gift' income and investment earnings, etc.

RusDancer, if you ever happen to get your 'retired' self down this way, there's a beachfront bar stool waiting with your name on it ... as well as any number of 'well heeled' vacationing guys ready to buy drinks / dinner / take you 'sailing' !!!

http://www.condominiumcentral.net/property-images/Grand Caribe 1.jpg
Melonie, it would be my honor to take that chair, haha! Who knows, hopefully one day it will happen. Even though I am now retired from the stage, I will always adore the respectful company with drinks and dinners, with generous gentlemen, especially with boats and planes!

Melonie
12-29-2013, 07:37 AM
Even though I am now retired from the stage, I will always adore the respectful company with drinks and dinners, with generous gentlemen, especially with boats and planes!

obviously, me too !!!!!!! And sometimes travelling by 'air' is even more fun !!!


http://www.charterexpert.com/images/destinations/Belize-1202576134-nk.jpg

Nina_
12-29-2013, 08:14 AM
Attractive women actually have an advantage over unattractive ones when it comes to getting jobs. Attractive people have much more benefits than unattractive in this scenario. Most corporate business positions are more advantageous for people who are generally attractive. I mean, if you're an ex-stripper going for a corporate America job interview, you should obviously have enough sense to make sure you look professional and not a distraction. Tone the makeup way down. Keep your hair simple and out of your face. If you have a boob job, wear a minizer bra so it's not a distraction or an outfit that is conscious to your boobs. My mom was a stripper, gorgeous woman woman (she was a Playboy Bunny) and she had a boob job. She had an illustrious professional career. Her first corporate job was as a pharmaceutical rep and most pharm reps are good looking lol. But she also worked as a mortgage officer as well as other lucrative sales jobs.

Attractive women do face disadvantages in the workplace, though. As previously mentioned, jealousy from other women, harassment from men, other co-workers having assumptions about your intelligence, etc.

rusdancer
12-29-2013, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=Melonie;2574831]obviously, me too !!!!!!! And sometimes travelling by 'air' is even more fun
Absolutely! :highfive:

dezire
12-29-2013, 11:58 AM
Attractive women actually have an advantage over unattractive ones when it comes to getting jobs. Attractive people have much more benefits than unattractive in this scenario. Most corporate business positions are more advantageous for people who are generally attractive. I mean, if you're an ex-stripper going for a corporate America job interview, you should obviously have enough sense to make sure you look professional and not a distraction. Tone the makeup way down. Keep your hair simple and out of your face. If you have a boob job, wear a minizer bra so it's not a distraction or an outfit that is conscious to your boobs. My mom was a stripper, gorgeous woman woman (she was a Playboy Bunny) and she had a boob job. She had an illustrious professional career. Her first corporate job was as a pharmaceutical rep and most pharm reps are good looking lol. But she also worked as a mortgage officer as well as other lucrative sales jobs.

Attractive women do face disadvantages in the workplace, though. As previously mentioned, jealousy from other women, harassment from men, other co-workers having assumptions about your intelligence, etc.


It sounds like your mom was a perfect 10 and prolly excelled bc of that coupled with a good head on her shoulders too. I do know about the minimizer bras..I have a couple of those as well..I also know about toning down a look. You cant always hide really big boobs even if u want to. you have to be careful bc if u wear something thats too baggy in an effort to not draw attention to large boobs u can also make yourself look fat due to lack of waist definition. It can get a little tough at times. I am in no way as hot as a playboy bunny. I dont think doors are going to open left and right. Like Melonie said...In some jobs like sales, entertainment, restaurants etc.. being pretty helps bc there are plenty of other females who are pretty. For me personally I didnt realize until recently how being slightly older yet still attractive would disqualify me from jobs...I thought that died once you were out of ur 20s...I was mistaken. 20, 30, 40, 50..I guess the age really doesnt matter..If u r a hot 50 year old people there can be jealousy. I think its Helen Mirren I believe her name is...she's older and still exudes extreme sexuality...Theres prolly some 20/30 yr olds she can 'out sexify' lol...

tempest666
12-29-2013, 05:30 PM
For what I'm hoping to do post dancing, looks aren't an advantage or disadvantage. Crocodiles don't discriminate. :D

Melonie
12-30-2013, 04:50 AM
For what I'm hoping to do post dancing, looks aren't an advantage or disadvantage. Crocodiles don't discriminate

True enough, LOL !!!

However, the majority of girls will be looking to do something after retiring from dancing that does involve an 'employer' and a workplace with lots of co-workers. In that scenario, being extremely attractive can, by itself, serve as a disadvantage. And having a documented history of 'stripping' can serve as even more of a disadvantage.



I didnt realize until recently how being slightly older yet still attractive would disqualify me from jobs...I thought that died once you were out of ur 20s...I was mistaken. 20, 30, 40, 50..I guess the age really doesnt matter..If u r a hot 50 year old people there can be jealousy

Indeed. And if the 'boss' is in his 40's or 50's, a hot new 40 or 50 year old female job applicant could be viewed as presenting even more of a 'risk' than if the girl was in her 20's. Obviously, the girl in her 20's would be viewed as a potential 'distraction' and/or 'workplace environment' risk involving other workers rather than the 'boss'. But the girl in her 40's or 50's potentially represents a risk of 'office scandal' or 'fucking the boss to get ahead', as well as a risk of a lawsuit based on ( bogus ) claims of unwanted advances / sexual harassment by the 'boss'. And while the workplace stuff can be irritating and somewhat expensive for the business, the stuff directly involving the 'boss' / business owner can damage the reputation of the business as well as potentially being VERY expensive.

kimbe
12-30-2013, 11:04 AM
Attractive women actually have an advantage over unattractive ones when it comes to getting jobs. Attractive people have much more benefits than unattractive in this scenario. Most corporate business positions are more advantageous for people who are generally attractive. I mean, if you're an ex-stripper going for a corporate America job interview, you should obviously have enough sense to make sure you look professional and not a distraction. Tone the makeup way down. Keep your hair simple and out of your face. If you have a boob job, wear a minizer bra so it's not a distraction or an outfit that is conscious to your boobs. My mom was a stripper, gorgeous woman woman (she was a Playboy Bunny) and she had a boob job. She had an illustrious professional career. Her first corporate job was as a pharmaceutical rep and most pharm reps are good looking lol. But she also worked as a mortgage officer as well as other lucrative sales jobs.

Attractive women do face disadvantages in the workplace, though. As previously mentioned, jealousy from other women, harassment from men, other co-workers having assumptions about your intelligence, etc.
I second most of this, to me it just seems natural taken into account what this business is all about. What's people see as an attractive girl, great body etc etc will of course differ between men, but there are clear lines in what most like to see in a stripper/exotic dancer.
Coming into exotic dancing from a fitness model & Figure competitor perspective, look and body focus just seem very natural. I think I have a hot body, and when I did dance, I softened up somewhat but still maintained a tight and fit look. I more or less immediately made a good career, and it didn't take long before I danced at the most up scale clubs and VIP-rooms in LV. Money was good, and everything was set up perfectly for the customers. To me working mainly the VIP-rooms, I would definitely say VIP rooms (talking really high class and up scale) is all about the extra's, and I felt I did a hookers job rather than what I originally got into; After you danced some dances, talked a little, dances a little more, the guy will be horny like hell and you enter a locker-like room where he would usually get a blowjob to finish off.
We had many regular customers, and generally I was never treated bad but it just wasn't what I wanted to continue with any longer.

mariawayne55
12-30-2013, 11:53 AM
The industry does suck now, and it's downward spiraling, but ladies - we CAN still make money without succumbing to extras! Like Melonie mentioned, traveling to cities where money is good is a key way to still bank in this industry. I think the majority of us have cities that are close enough to at least travel to on the weekends and make money.Accumulating a consistent clientele is KEY in this industry, especially with extras/mileage so rampant. I have a few big spenders who come in and in the last couple months my income has solely been from them because I make at least 1K a night off each one. They know I don't do extras so I don't have to deal with the groping and all that bullshit from other guys!Yeah this is great idea to move to the cities where we can make more money. I am a newbie to this business and its quite discouraging hearing all these discussions.

tempest666
12-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Alrighty now I can see what you mean by all this jealousy. I'm not even in the "crocodile" industry but I'm talking to some people that work with crocodiles and their bitches are getting a wild hair up their ass!!!

dezire
12-31-2013, 02:33 AM
True enough, LOL !!!





Indeed. And if the 'boss' is in his 40's or 50's, a hot new 40 or 50 year old female job applicant could be viewed as presenting even more of a 'risk' than if the girl was in her 20's. Obviously, the girl in her 20's would be viewed as a potential 'distraction' and/or 'workplace environment' risk involving other workers rather than the 'boss'. But the girl in her 40's or 50's potentially represents a risk of 'office scandal' or 'fucking the boss to get ahead', as well as a risk of a lawsuit based on ( bogus ) claims of unwanted advances / sexual harassment by the 'boss'. And while the workplace stuff can be irritating and somewhat expensive for the business, the stuff directly involving the 'boss' / business owner can damage the reputation of the business as well as potentially being VERY expensive.

What a pain in the ass is all I have to say..Everything is too damn complicated...Sometimes u got to just keep moving forward and do the best u can with whatever u have going for u I guess..

Melonie
12-31-2013, 05:06 AM
^^^ agreed, unfortunately. IMHO at least some portion of the 'reluctance' by straight job employers to deal with very attractive female employees actually stems from the 'litigiousness' permitted in the USA. Workplace regulations regarding 'workplace environment', 'sexual harassment' etc. directly translate into a credible threat of potential future lawsuits ... the likely 'success' of which increases exponentially when the potential 'plaintiff' is extremely attractive.

audrey_k
12-31-2013, 06:16 AM
I danced for a guy tonight, and he was from El Paso-- he was telling me how different things were there, that you can touch girls, etc. I was like fuck, well if you really want to touch my ass you can touch my ass, you can touch my boobs if you want but please don't touch my nipples... he was SO shocked, he was like what do you mean??? I would NEVER do that that's so disrespectful! I was just saying it's really fucked up how the clubs are down there...

I wanted to be like, can I please clone you? Or take whatever it is you have in your brain and implant it to other customers... cause I literally spend 90% of the dances I do fighting people off me...

But I feel like stripping has always been that way, ever since I started back in '09.