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Kellydancer
11-25-2013, 09:48 PM
I saw your posts on FB and liked them. Some of those posts there are so annoying because anyone who is not obese is apparently not a real woman.

tempest666
12-04-2013, 06:28 AM
http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/03/fit-women-are-real-women-too/?iid=op-main-lead


Every day I am one step closer to my goals!

Trixia
12-04-2013, 11:27 AM
Lol love fat pride. I've been "skinny shamed" all my life. Told to eat a cheeseburger (Carls Jr BBQ Chicken Club please if fast food is a requirement, I don't eat ground beef), commented on that I'm pRobably just going to throw up my lunch anyways, and any number of negaTive comments about my figure. At my worst (and it was a unhealthy weight) I was 95lbs at 5'6" and reeeeeeeally skinny. But those types of comments are ok.

I always love the "I was skinny like you until I hit 30 and then I gained all the weight, just wait until you turn 30!"

lynn2009
12-04-2013, 05:47 PM
Kang is very beautiful and obviously smart and very hard-working. I think that her story is inspiring but she presented it poorly.

I wish people on both sides of this could be more understanding. Whoever flagged her picture as offensive is being oversensitive. I think she may have had better luck captioning her picture with a cheesey encouragement like "you can do it too!". I do find "What's your excuse?" to be a little mocking and it is a person's nature to get defensive. My mom has lost 70 + pounds since April and would not have been inspired to that picture. A friend from college once told me that I was too skinny to be attractive to men (and I am not even THAT skinny! I shuffle between a size 2 and 4) and there have been several times that people at regular jobs have made a comment about "you are so skinny for how much you eat!" (not as much a direct shaming but still rude and obnoxious).

I have a friend from college who is really overweight and she is really sensitive about it. I think no matter how gently I tried to encourage her to eat better/exercise she would take it the wrong way and get REALLY upset. Her mom has bounced between anorexia and binge eating her entire life and it has left my friend a really unhealthy relationship w/ weight, so I leave it alone. If she ever came to me asking for advice about healthy recipes or how to get started w/ a gym routine I would LOVE to help her! But she hasn't. She has a lot of her own issues that she copes with by working ninety hours a week and it is not my place to judge. I know another girl who is really underweight and she is really sensitive about that! She'll get comments about being flat-chested, eating a cheeseburger, etc. Idk why this girl just never has an appetite but she is super smart and successful and I believe healthy for her. I do not think most people would be healthy at her size.

I have always been on the smaller side of average. I am generally good about eating well and exercise but I am only in the last few weeks coming out of a eating-like-shit-and-not-exercising-spiral that has lasted for months. Yeah, I was being a "lazy fatass". But I have been feeling depressed and have had issues w/ eating disorder behaviors before. and if in lieu of an ED behavior I ate candy for dinner 2 months ago, then yeah, I think that was the healthiest option for me at that point of my life.

I think it would be helpful if everyone could PLEASE stop being so judgemental (on a societal scale, not a SW scale). Everyone has value.

Odette
12-05-2013, 11:12 PM
Lynne, you couldn't have said it better. It's really hard to see people you love just giving up on themselves. My mom is diabetic. Type 1, not the kind you get from being fat. Infact, my mom has never been fat in her entire life, even though since she got an insulin pump ten years ago she has been eating like shit. It sure as hell doesn't show physically, but then she constantly complains about how she has problems with her hands and her feet (complications from diabetes). Gee mom, maybe its all that sugar you're putting in your body when you don't have a working pancreas to process it? Maybe just maybe that could be it? I have tried SO many things, and so has my dad, and so has my sister, to no effect, and lots of drama. Sometimes you need to try a different angle, my mom has only very recently started to change her eating habits even a little bit even though it's been a topic of conversation for years, and it's been because I essentially switched my method from "nagging" her, to "showing" her. It could be interesting to discuss in another thread how people can go about encouraging people they care about to get into better health with better success. I know obesity is bad in Canada but I often forget how serious of an issue it is in the states. I heard a statistic yesterday that said 2/3 of American adults are overweight, and it made me think of this thread and kind of understand why some other users get so angry...it is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later...

Red Velvette
12-06-2013, 08:27 AM
Reading this thread and seeing the names fatsos and fat slobs and other names is just depressing. There are so many beautiful larger women on this site, but it seems you're only acceptable if you are in the small to medium category. And honestly? "What's your excuse?" That is exactly the opposite of motivating. (as is the name calling.)

Vamp
12-06-2013, 10:19 AM
Life is hard. Women have an even more difficult time for a million reasons. The saddest thing is when we try to hurt each other; thinking we are going to gain from it.

We know how to get to each other because we are all women. We know where the weak spots are. So instead of empowering each other we try to destroy each other. Its ridiculous.

Maybe someone needs to feel good about themselves as they are; before they can care about being healthier. Maybe someone had an abusive past and used food, drugs, sex, etc as a coping mechanism. Maybe someone developed eating disorders from a mother who obsessed about their eating habits. We each have our own lessons to learn. NO ONE can force, shame, or hate anyone into learning them faster.

Making others feel bad is just your ego looking for validation. People can try to paint it as them trying to help all day long. They arent helping anyone. Nothing good will come from it. All they are doing is trying to feel superior then someone else.

If women stopped trying to hurt each other, but tried to encourage and empower each other, we would be alot further in this world.

Kellydancer
12-06-2013, 11:36 AM
Reading this thread and seeing the names fatsos and fat slobs and other names is just depressing. There are so many beautiful larger women on this site, but it seems you're only acceptable if you are in the small to medium category. And honestly? "What's your excuse?" That is exactly the opposite of motivating. (as is the name calling.)

If a woman is a larger woman but is that way through genetics or whatever and she takes care of herself that is one thing, but many larger women do not. Most of the larger women I know are slobs and are fat because they sit around eating and being lazy. So yes they are fatsos and fat slobs and all of that. There was a time where I sat around and gained weight and I called myself a fat slob and a fatso because I was. There is nothing healthy about being obese, chubby is fine.

Red Velvette
12-06-2013, 11:45 AM
I used to say the same things Kelly...and I hurt people. It hurts me to realize how indifferent and uncaring I was. I'd rather be the overweight caring person I am today than the hot unkind person I used to be. (although, yeah, it was fun being super hot!)

Aurora_Sunset
12-06-2013, 12:00 PM
I understand all the points about how she could have worded it better, but I honestly don't think this is that big of a deal. I see it as a "no one can make you feel inferior without your permission" sort of thing. The people who see the message and get mad are probably mad either because a) they do make excuses and don't like being called on it or b) they feel like they aren't making excuses but have other legitimate reasons for being overweight. But if you truly feel like you have a good reason, then what does one stupid little "motivational picture" matter? I feel like even if she had said something like "If I can do it, so can you!" people still would've taken it the wrong way. If you're insecure about something, nothing encouraging or "encouraging" anyone says about it is going to come across right to you.

tempest666
12-06-2013, 04:15 PM
Maria does have a point. This country has a huge problem that nobody wants to address, constructively or any other way.

Kellydancer
12-06-2013, 05:07 PM
I used to say the same things Kelly...and I hurt people. It hurts me to realize how indifferent and uncaring I was. I'd rather be the overweight caring person I am today than the hot unkind person I used to be. (although, yeah, it was fun being super hot!)

I believe in being honest because the obesity problem is killing this country. I have a friend who is morbidly obese at 5'1 and close to 400 pounds. She got that way through poor eating and lack of exercise. I refuse to coddle her and tell her she is just big boned or it's someone else's fault. It's HER fault for being obese and yes she is a slob. I have gained weight and I am honest with myself and blame myself. If more people took responsibility for themselves we would have less obese people. No I don't go up to people and say "you're fat" but I am honest too.

Kellydancer
12-06-2013, 05:10 PM
Maria does have a point. This country has a huge problem that nobody wants to address, constructively or any other way.

With the ACA I fear the obesity problem will get worse and costs more than we realize. Way too many people make excuses but really if someone is obese there usually isn't an excuse.

lynn2009
12-06-2013, 05:27 PM
Aaaand...politics

Kellydancer
12-06-2013, 05:45 PM
The fact is with that insurance it will mean the rates will go up to pay for the obese. Why people don't want to talk about the amount of walking heart attacks is beyond me because obese is a health risk just as someone who smokes it. Sorry but obese women are NOT "curvy" or "big boned" or the other excuses they are fat and a health risk. Some people are that way due to health issues they can't help like thyroid but others could change it but choose not to.

Vamp
12-07-2013, 08:58 AM
I believe in being honest because the obesity problem is killing this country. I have a friend who is morbidly obese at 5'1 and close to 400 pounds. She got that way through poor eating and lack of exercise. I refuse to coddle her and tell her she is just big boned or it's someone else's fault. It's HER fault for being obese and yes she is a slob. I have gained weight and I am honest with myself and blame myself. If more people took responsibility for themselves we would have less obese people. No I don't go up to people and say "you're fat" but I am honest too.

There is a difference between being honest and being cruel.

I also have a friend who is very large. She had alot of abuse in her past and had very low self esteem. I have never said a damn thing to her about her weight. She looks in the mirror every day she doesnt need me to state the obvious. But as her friend I tried encouraging her. Giving her a safe place to talk about her issues instead of curling up with food. Letting her know that I had faith in her. Even giving her tough love when she wasnt sure if she should get a divorce from her emotionally abusive husband. Her life has changed alot.

Has she lost all her weight? No. Is she happier? Hell yes! At the end of the day that should be the goal. The goal isnt about weighing X pounds, It isnt about looking like a super model, It isnt about being perfect, it isnt about pleasing other people, it is about being happy.

If you feel the need to pick at other women, for ANY reason, then you are not a happy woman. You will never be a happy woman until you start working on your real issues.

Vamp
12-07-2013, 09:02 AM
The fact is with that insurance it will mean the rates will go up to pay for the obese. Why people don't want to talk about the amount of walking heart attacks is beyond me because obese is a health risk just as someone who smokes it. Sorry but obese women are NOT "curvy" or "big boned" or the other excuses they are fat and a health risk. Some people are that way due to health issues they can't help like thyroid but others could change it but choose not to.

There is actually an insurance discount for people to take health education classes on nutrition, weight management, smoking, etc. under the Affordable Care Act.

Nikki_Fox
12-07-2013, 09:09 AM
There is a difference between being honest and being cruel.

I also have a friend who is very large. She had alot of abuse in her past and had very low self esteem. I have never said a damn thing to her about her weight. She looks in the mirror every day she doesnt need me to state the obvious. But as her friend I tried encouraging her. Giving her a safe place to talk about her issues instead of curling up with food. Letting her know that I had faith in her. Even giving her tough love when she wasnt sure if she should get a divorce from her emotionally abusive husband. Her life has changed alot.

Has she lost all her weight? No. Is she happier? Hell yes! At the end of the day that should be the goal. The goal isnt about weighing X pounds, It isnt about looking like a super model, It isnt about being perfect, it isnt about pleasing other people, it is about being happy.

If you feel the need to pick at other women, for ANY reason, then you are not a happy woman. You will never be a happy woman until you start working on your real issues.



Very well said Vamp

Nikki_Fox
12-07-2013, 09:09 AM
There is a difference between being honest and being cruel.

I also have a friend who is very large. She had alot of abuse in her past and had very low self esteem. I have never said a damn thing to her about her weight. She looks in the mirror every day she doesnt need me to state the obvious. But as her friend I tried encouraging her. Giving her a safe place to talk about her issues instead of curling up with food. Letting her know that I had faith in her. Even giving her tough love when she wasnt sure if she should get a divorce from her emotionally abusive husband. Her life has changed alot.

Has she lost all her weight? No. Is she happier? Hell yes! At the end of the day that should be the goal. The goal isnt about weighing X pounds, It isnt about looking like a super model, It isnt about being perfect, it isnt about pleasing other people, it is about being happy.

If you feel the need to pick at other women, for ANY reason, then you are not a happy woman. You will never be a happy woman until you start working on your real issues.



Very well said Vamp

Kellydancer
12-07-2013, 11:51 AM
There is a difference between being honest and being cruel.

I also have a friend who is very large. She had alot of abuse in her past and had very low self esteem. I have never said a damn thing to her about her weight. She looks in the mirror every day she doesnt need me to state the obvious. But as her friend I tried encouraging her. Giving her a safe place to talk about her issues instead of curling up with food. Letting her know that I had faith in her. Even giving her tough love when she wasnt sure if she should get a divorce from her emotionally abusive husband. Her life has changed alot.

Has she lost all her weight? No. Is she happier? Hell yes! At the end of the day that should be the goal. The goal isnt about weighing X pounds, It isnt about looking like a super model, It isnt about being perfect, it isnt about pleasing other people, it is about being happy.

If you feel the need to pick at other women, for ANY reason, then you are not a happy woman. You will never be a happy woman until you start working on your real issues.

I am not cruel to my friend I am honest. She is obese and she asked me and I am honest. I don't sugar coat anything nor will I. Fat is fat. No I don't go up to obese women and tell them they are obese but likewise I will not sit there and say nothing when they use the excuses they are big boned or they have curves or the other things they say. There is a difference between being a super model and being obese. I'm not a super model by any means myself but neither am I fat. I don't have issues, I am just not someone who believes in lying when it comes to weight. There have been times I was overweight and I knew it so I did something about it.

tempest666
12-07-2013, 03:30 PM
Shaming really doesn't work, I'll agree to that. But sugarcoating and coddling don't help the situation either. If I had been coddled and told I was fine I'd still be stuffing my face with croissants. My friends telling me I was getting chunky devastated me but it also changed my life.

Kellydancer
12-07-2013, 04:14 PM
My mom does that to me when I am putting on weight. Yes it does make me cry but then I realize she was right and I was getting fat. I am glad she is honest.

Odette
12-08-2013, 03:11 PM
On the "fat pride" movement...it is terribly wrong, but is it any more wrong than the images that we've been bombarded with in the last decade of seriously underweight models? I'm not an advocate for skinny shaming, but I work in the fashion industry, I work with/have lots of friends who are models and the things they are told by their agencies...the things they do to stay the size they have to be to be allowed to work is INSANE. It is a REQUIREMENT to have 34" hips or under to work outside of North America. Still, today. If that isn't just as fucked up as all of these 300lb people labelling themselves as "curvy"? If you think strippers go to extremes...Models are a whole other ball game because those girls are TALL. A naturally 5'11" size 2 does happen, but when you have a bunch of girls forcing themselves to unnatural proportions, bad things happen, and society starts to think/perpetuate the myth that that is what is normal, when it isn't. It's just as far from normal, as 2/3 of America being obese. America has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and is hella projecting its societal insecurities (from both sides) about the state of its people onto its most prominent and public female figures, which is why every magazine is filled with pictures that bounce from ZOMG Kim K's SO FAT to ZOMG Princess Kate is annorexic!

I have a hard time believing that people "make a choice" to be overweight. The internet is spreading knowledge fast of how people can be healthier, but it's also spread a lot of fads and misinformation which can be confusing for many. With all the flack overweight people get in 21st century society, not to mention vast other disadvantages, who would consciously make that choice? I think people end up in that position more often than not because they give up on themselves completely/fall into super deep depression where the only thing they can feel is pain. Then there is the middle ground where people may care about how they look and feel, but because of lack of proper education just can't seem to figure out how to manage their weight. If Maria made a recipe book/blog, or youtube workout videos for example, to share her knowledge of HOW she got into the shape she is in, with three kids, I think that would be super, super awesome, and allow people to comprehend better her point of view...when it's backed with something more solid than a picure. More busy moms need a good role model, and she's clearly a time management Queen (in the article tempest posted it mentions that she owns two businesses in addition to being a mother and wife). She could still start something of a "fit pride" movement she's just gotta play nice :)

The bottom line that ALL women of every size race and age should be concerned about is that the fact that our bodies are still the subject of wide public debate means they are still not ours. Third wave feminism liberated a very specific type of female body: the hot young female body. It now holds quite a lot of power in our society. We get the privilege of feeling that way about our bodies because we fit into the tiny category of female bodies that have been liberated. Female bodies that are not young, are not "hot", and are not "fit" are still open season for public disrespect. It's not that all the old ladies and large people need to go pole dance and be admired for being attractive, but it is their right to still be respected no matter if they fit the "ideal" male dictated standard for appearance or not. Since being pretty comes with so many advantages in life, it is expected that pretty people will help "keep unattractive people in their place" via negative social interactions that are expected and encouraged of them. Young women are especially perfect for this job because by the time they realise the system they've been perpetuating, they themselves are often aging and falling out of societal favour, and therefore they have limited power to affect change at that point. People pay attention to pretty women. If you don't want to be the subject of ridicule when you age and lose your beauty that keeps you in power, do something to affect change now. It's a simple as not participating in the appearance heirarchy game.

Kellydancer
12-08-2013, 03:49 PM
I don't think underweight is healthy either but there is a wide range between anorexic (and no not every underweight woman is anorexic)to obese. I don't like how the modeling industry took that turn once again towards anorexia because not long ago more healthier models like Cindy Crawford was the trend.

tempest666
12-08-2013, 04:56 PM
"Thinspo" and "fat pride" are both extremes. Whatever happened to just being healthy? Both sides promote extremes that are unhealthy and dangerous.

Kellydancer
12-08-2013, 08:47 PM
Exactly. I firmly believe that the best body shape is a woman who works out and is in shape and eats healthy.

lynn2009
12-08-2013, 11:47 PM
Health goes WAY beyond the physical and you CANNOT judge and make sweeping generalizations about a person's complete physical, mental and emotional health by just looking at them!!! and their health isn't any of your fucking business anyway!!!

Vamp
12-09-2013, 06:34 PM
The bottom line that ALL women of every size race and age should be concerned about is that the fact that our bodies are still the subject of wide public debate means they are still not ours. Third wave feminism liberated a very specific type of female body: the hot young female body. It now holds quite a lot of power in our society. We get the privilege of feeling that way about our bodies because we fit into the tiny category of female bodies that have been liberated. .................. If you don't want to be the subject of ridicule when you age and lose your beauty that keeps you in power, do something to affect change now. It's a simple as not participating in the appearance heirarchy game.

I agree that if want a better environment for ourselves, our daughters, and each other we need to help bring about that change. Part of not playing the hierarchy game is being kinder to ourselves as well.
When we are running around picking at other women; we are doing the same thing to ourselves on the inside. We tear down each other and ourselves.

A woman's body is always her own. Society, men, and media may try to convince you other wise; it is up to you not to believe it. Nothing can liberate you if you choose to believe lies. If a woman thinks her only value is her looks she is in for a rude awaking when she gets older. There is more to life then sexuality. We need to cultivate those things in ourselves and encourage other women along the way.

Djoser
12-11-2013, 04:17 AM
^ exactly. curvy is a SHAPE, not a size. but even if somebody is fat to the point of having no curves, or is thin to the point of having no curves, it makes them no less female. what a stupid saying.." real women" this and that.

Agreed 100%

If you really want to see how absurd this appears, just substitute men in these trite sayings that apparently exist only to help people relax about never once going to a gym or eating well. Like 'Every Man's Body Is Beautiful!' with pictures of John Candy or Chris Farly naked. The women sure won't buy that particular meme, trust me.

I dealt with body shaming growing up as a short skinny kid, it was no fun and did no good whatsoever. Now it's funny because I am 6' 2" and have done a lot of boxing.

But when they start fucking with people like Maria Kang for a FB post on her own page, there is a problem.

People should just mind their own fucking business, unless they are charge of hiring for male or female stripclubs maybe..

tempest666
12-11-2013, 06:07 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/caroline-berg-eriksen-post-baby_n_4377085.html

Hell this one lady didn't even SAY anything about fat, skinny nada and people still got madder than a hornet's nest. Haterade sure is the drink of choice for people these days.

Djoser
12-11-2013, 07:15 AM
That is fucking ridiculous.

tempest666
12-11-2013, 07:28 AM
Everyone gets butthurt over the stupidest shit. I can see (somewhat) why Maria might draw some flak but this is just getting ridiculous.

safado
12-11-2013, 03:48 PM
Agreed 100%

If you really want to see how absurd this appears, just substitute men in these trite sayings that apparently exist only to help people relax about never once going to a gym or eating well. Like 'Every Man's Body Is Beautiful!' with pictures of John Candy or Chris Farly naked. The women sure won't buy that particular meme, trust me.

I dealt with body shaming growing up as a short skinny kid, it was no fun and did no good whatsoever. Now it's funny because I am 6' 2" and have done a lot of boxing.

But when they start fucking with people like Maria Kang for a FB post on her own page, there is a problem.

People should just mind their own fucking business, unless they are charge of hiring for male or female stripclubs maybe..

http://www.funnymemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Funny-memes-real-men-have-curves.jpg

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3d/3d4acc72a9b3de92d734b5227493ff58fb9061084874ee3af9 34c113cbf850f3.jpg

lynn2009
12-13-2013, 04:35 PM
http://www.mariakang.com/2013/11/25/4-words-i-will-never-use/

I have been reading through maria's website and blog posts and I LOVE her. she is very eloquent.

djezcheeze
12-13-2013, 05:57 PM
As someone who has dealt with years of emotional eating/starving and self hate due to the fact that I never thought I was "thin" enough by society's standards, this thread struck a chord with me. I think the reason why people end up obese is because of all of the articles and media telling both women and men that they have to be fit and trim to be a worthwhile human being. Growing up my mom always shoved it in my face that I was heavier at 12 than when she got married, blah blah blah. And she was surprised why I was in treatment for an eating disorder three times... Anyway in an opinion of an ex-chubby person I think that many of us look at these models and actresses and hell, even people like the woman who wrote the article and try so hard to look like that. When reality sets in that no matter how much they exercise or starve themselves they will never look like that, they get depressed and just give up. I think America's obsession with fitness and "health" is actually making us fatter. We see what we "should" look like with diet and exercise, but never get there. I know I'm never going to have skinny legs. I used to hate my legs. I've come to the realization that no matter how hard I try I'm not going to have stick legs like a supermodel, and honestly now I don't want that. I also have to say that I hate that because I'm thin (now thank god to meds that make me not want to eat) people automatically assume I'm healthier. Just because you can see my abs does not mean I'm healthy. I drink too much, chain smoke, and when I do eat it's total crap. Obviously these are all things I need to work on for my health's sake, but I hate to see people judging others by their outside appearance. Just because someone is "FAT" doesn't mean they are not healthy. There are probably more heavier people who are healthier than me. That being said, I don't think it's ok to be encouraging obesity. How about stop looking at the scale and encourage overall health and well-being?

Nikki_Fox
12-13-2013, 07:04 PM
While the above "men have curves " is not what I have in mind but - i am not attracted to thin guys - I like thick - beefy guys - point being it takes all kinds and there is someone for everyone - just love who you are and let other people be who they are :)

mia_fey
12-16-2013, 10:58 AM
It is quite interesting about the "real women have curves" bit. I see it a LOT on my Facebook news feed shared from my friends and it astounds me. There is a theme of rationalizing having extra weight that is composed of fat and not muscle as being curve and the ones that I see sharing it are much more overweight than what they used to be. Honestly we should be promoting quality of life through healthy habits instead of fat-shaming or thin-shaming. Personally I know I gained weight from working at my desk job, I replaced all of my healthy options for instant crappy food, not working out (also being away from dancing in a year) and lack of sleep. The only person I'm mad at is myself and I took action. I bought a gym membership and started cooking my own food again. I started this program only a couple of weeks ago and 10 pounds have already fell off of my body just by making simple changes. I don't go to the gym everyday and not for large amounts of time either. All I wanted to do was no longer be winded walking up my stairs to my apartment and to start dancing again. Even if it means just drinking more water or walking more, taking steps to better yourself is key.

tempest666
12-18-2013, 06:10 AM
I think everyone should love the skin that they are in. Love it enough to remember that it is the ONLY skin you get. Starving it to get an unattainable beauty ideal is wrong. It is just as bad to cram it full of sugary, processed fried foods and neglect it by not exercising. Not everyone is going to look like Maria Kang. Hell, I never had a kid and I look like shit compared to her. Long before I heard her name and her message I was taking steps to better my life. Part of it was because I wanted to get into better clubs but also because I felt like shit about myself.

discountstripper
12-19-2013, 07:06 PM
Please try to not take your mother's comments to heart. She is just looking out for your health and happiness.

discountstripper
12-19-2013, 07:07 PM
It's not healthful to be overweight. It's a sign that you are eating the wrong things. Not enough fruits and vegetables. Stay away from anything that comes in a package.

safado
12-19-2013, 07:41 PM
It's not healthful to be overweight. It's a sign that you are eating the wrong things. Not enough fruits and vegetables. Stay away from anything that comes in a package.

That does not sound very appetizing, it made me think of this clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pSEMNEqQJI

discountstripper
12-19-2013, 07:56 PM
... And he'll get a disease and live 10, 20, 30 more years in pain and addicted to prescription medication where he won't be able to work or play. A very high price to pay for "freedom" of choice. Take your medicine now in the form of better nutrition and a pleasurable life down the road will be yours : )

discountstripper
12-19-2013, 07:57 PM
If you just go vegetarian you won't believe how great you'll feel.

tempest666
12-22-2013, 05:13 PM
If you just go vegetarian you won't believe how great you'll feel.

Idk, I'm on the Paleo and I lost weight. I don't eat a lot of red meat though. Mostly pescatarian.

she wolf
12-22-2013, 07:31 PM
I saw that lady on The Betheny Frankel show aka im a loud mouth bitch that never stops talking lol and the audience was going in on her! they were all big too -_- I think they and anyone that has a problem with someones body is projecting their insecurities onto others. Im hearing all this the media/america should promote a healthy lifestyle blah blah The media is in it for the money only! They don't care about u so don't look to them to raise your children or yourself. And america does promote healthy lifestyles along side a lazy one too. it;s up to ppl to make that choice w/o excuses. I grew up a vegan became a vegetarian then a pescatarian now back to vegan/some meat. Even having all this knowledge about what to eat I still struggle with emotional eating and always will but I have self-control and I don't make excuses because there are none.

!TheOne
12-23-2013, 04:06 AM
... And he'll get a disease and live 10, 20, 30 more years in pain and addicted to prescription medication where he won't be able to work or play. A very high price to pay for "freedom" of choice. Take your medicine now in the form of better nutrition and a pleasurable life down the road will be yours : )

The funny thing about that video, is that most of what the guy mentioned (Bacon, saturated fat, red meat) doesn't actually cause high cholestorol.

On the otherhand, being vegetarian can deplete you of a lot of essential micronutrients, and make you overeat.

she wolf
12-23-2013, 03:48 PM
Simply not true. How can being vegetarian deplete you of nutrients if that is all you're eating? and you can over eat on just about any diet if that's what you choose to do your diet can't make you do anything but your lack of self control can. Most people have no idea what it takes to be a vegetarian. It's not just about cutting out meat.

Charlotteslut
12-23-2013, 04:59 PM
While the above "men have curves " is not what I have in mind but - i am not attracted to thin guys - I like thick - beefy guys - point being it takes all kinds and there is someone for everyone - just love who you are and let other people be who they are :)

I love me some chubby, cuddly men. Raawr. If I were a gay dude, I would totally date bears.

lynn2009
12-23-2013, 05:42 PM
The funny thing about that video, is that most of what the guy mentioned (Bacon, saturated fat, red meat) doesn't actually cause high cholestorol.

On the otherhand, being vegetarian can deplete you of a lot of essential micronutrients, and make you overeat.

I feel like a broken record but its really not accurate to make generalizations like this! I have been a meat eater, vegetarian and vegan and people are going to be as healthy as they choose regardless of their dietary label. I know fat vegans, skinny meat eaters, vegetarians who lI've on pasta and meat eaters who live on fried chicken. I agree w/ she wolf people can over eat on any diet. There are nutrient deprived meat eaters and nutrient deprived vegans and vice versa.

!TheOne
12-24-2013, 01:22 PM
Simply not true. How can being vegetarian deplete you of nutrients if that is all you're eating? and you can over eat on just about any diet if that's what you choose to do your diet can't make you do anything but your lack of self control can. Most people have no idea what it takes to be a vegetarian. It's not just about cutting out meat.

Vegetarians will have an inadequate intake of many micronutrients: Iron, Zinc, Magnesium, Vitamin D, Omega 3 oils, Vitamin B12, and many others.

And the protein from meat source vs vegetable source is important. The body uses animal protein more efficiently for it's needs. The amount of lean body mass is directly related to the amount of animal protein you consume. You'll produce more testosterone if you eat more animal protein.

So for a girl, you'd look more toned and lean.

So unless you have moral beliefs, or you just don't like the taste of meat, I'd definetly eat Rudolph.