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kortneykay
10-29-2013, 10:27 AM
That's a negative, Soldier. Too many crazies out there, especially since I look better in person ;). No ma'am, not this girl.

kortneykay
10-29-2013, 10:44 AM
I hate when guys tell cam girls stuff like "If you were my girl, you wouldn't have to do this!"...as if this is something to be ashamed of.

What has me thinking is this, and no offense to you MissJu, but you mentioned that your bf now said that he didn't want you to cam before you met and was giving you money to stop. However, you still ARE camming and he's still living with you. Of course, people can change their minds, but...things that make you go hmmmm.

And in response to the "scaredy cat" comment. To each their own. You think I'm a scaredy cat, and I think you're insane, either way, it's all good.

I can sort of see your point as you "meet" guys in the stripclub all the time. However, since some were pulled offline, it's still a bit creepy but this is just my opinion. I noticed that you said you have your own site, and still use NF. Technically you're going against NF's TOS by accepting "tributes" for meets, etc if that is what you're doing. I'm not sure, but it sounds like you don't have your own billing, so you're probably using NF for it right? If so, it's against TOS but you probably know this.

As far as Amazon, you're allowed to share your wishlist on NF as I do and haven't gotten told to take it down. I don't accept Amazon GC or any presents from there for shows but I leave it up just in case someone wants to spoil me. With PP, I used to use it, and I had a fake name attached to my POBox so they never saw my real info, but now guys are starting to cancel and charge back on things. I haven't accepted PP money for adult stuff since like, 2009. I was reported back in 2009 before guys realized they could do that, and stopped using it for adult business. One guy purchased some panties from me and not only did I send them, I purchased a confirmation code and sent that into PP to reverse the damage he tried to do. They almost closed my account but I had proof that I spent it so he got in trouble for fraud. No thanks!

Staples
10-29-2013, 11:22 AM
Wow, this thread kinda took off in a way I didn't think it would!

I'm more inclined to listen to the ladies who say I'll lose money than the ladies who say I'll get killed/raped/stalked. This is a business after all and I am looking at this as a pure business move.

I did some digging to find out how some of my model friends do it and they do dinner and generally bring their photographer or videographer with them. The guy pays a fee for the date and pays for the meal. All of them say it's not something they do often and they require the guy to submit an ID for a background check. It's just a way they add extra money to their earnings.

I also know some swinger type models who meet fans and fuck them... definitely NOT my cup of tea!

I totally get what everyone is saying about not ruining the illusion. However, I'm pretty much me on/off cam. Maybe the subject matter of my conversations is a little different but my personality doesn't change when I'm off camera.

So, thank you ladies for all of your wonderful input. I apologize for any drama this thread may have caused but I now have some better insight and some great advice to take into account while considering whether or not to offer such a deal for my fans.

Staples
10-29-2013, 11:28 AM
Also, please don't think that I am belittling the fears about getting hurt or the precautions that anyone takes in avoiding those things.

I totally get that there are tons of creepers out there. I can't remember who said it but I agree that most of these guys are just average joes. However, it only takes one wacko right?

My mother was of the belief that everyone on the internet was an ax murderer. I had to explain to her that by her logic, I am an ax murderer because I am all over the internet. She still wasn't convinced but she does adore my boyfriend who I met via a fetish website so she doesn't really give me shit anymore lol.

justanothercamgirl
10-29-2013, 11:33 AM
So, thank you ladies for all of your wonderful input. I apologize for any drama this thread may have caused but I now have some better insight and some great advice to take into account while considering whether or not to offer such a deal for my fans.

No need to apologize. You've done nothing wrong. I can't speak for any other camgirls but I can tell you that I personally support anything another camgirl does as long as they are doing it with smarts and after weighing all the pros and cons of the situation.

We all need to do what is right for us personally by our own morals, ethics and knowledge. Where the drama comes in is when people act as if others opinions don't have merit or use because it is not in line or supportive of their own.

I feel like I end up saying this every three months in some form or another but here it is once more.

Take what you need and what you find useful and then leave all the rest behind. Someone may find something else in here useful down the road. One women's junk is another women's treasure after all. ;)

Vela Valentine
10-29-2013, 01:19 PM
Just gonna throw in there... Hell no I wouldn't meet them in person, esp cuz I have social anxiety and on top of that, don't wanna lose my money. Gotta be business oriented, think like a business woman.

MissJu
10-29-2013, 01:40 PM
Kortneykay he wasnt against camming, but he wanted me spend more time with him. Now we are literaly together 24 h haha.

TeenageAnnie
10-29-2013, 01:47 PM
why would i want to meet a "fan". i dont class them as fans anyway. they're customers not fans. and the freeloading ones who dont spend a penny but beg to meet you , i don't even class them as fans either. i class them as morons. im happily married. if i ever went to meet one of these guys, how do you think my husband would feel? why don't i just take a shit on my husbands chest instead and save myself the trainfare. even if theres no touching or kissing, u r still going to meet a man, a man that is obsessed enough with you to want to meet you. and any "fan" who says he jus wanna meet u and not fuck or kiss you, basically thinks "once we meet she wont be able 2 resist my charms so i will say i dont wanna fuck her but when i get there im going to do nothing but flirt and eventually she will fuck me". not to mention the whole part where i could not give a toss about these guys i only want their money. just like the big brand companys with crap customer service. thats me.

JaneBurgess
10-29-2013, 01:52 PM
I never said it would cost other performers money, I said this is why guys nag us to meet them. They either know cam performers are meeting up or they read stuff like this. Then they harass other cam performers to do the same thing. I've never heard of a strip club that allowed payments to be made online and not required to be paid in the club.


I have a solo website as well and anyone can contact me via the site. If people want to meet a customer in person talk to them off of the cam site. Don't give them the idea that it's normal to meet them because it's not.



You have no clue as to what makes me tick so please dont put words in my mouth. I simply gave an honest reply to the OP's topic just as everyone else has.



I have had my own solo site since 1997 and my fan base is driven from my own site. I've been on NF since 2002 and the majority of my regulars are club customers that I have had for years. I could see if I was poaching cam customers or an escort advertising in my NF listings but that is not the case.

Years ago I used NF primarily to set up pre payments for lap dances at the club. my club has its own currency and knew I was doing it and not once did they say to me I was cheating the club out of their cut. Thats just silly. Nowadays I use NF only to accept tributes, havent done a call or show there in over 2 years.

I never said I diverted them off site, what I said was that there are men that have my PP info (shows real name,address) and I am not in fear of someone coming over. My wishlist is on my business cards as well as on my site and I am not one for turning down gifts. Many girls have one.



If I was doing something wrong, I would have been reported a looong time ago. If youre saying that I am hurting your money, while flattering, dont give me that much credit. I have no issue with being honest and its not me you should be worried about, there are girls who do far more than I ever will and just arent vocal about it. I can understand why youre upset but I do not actively date men I meet on cam sites. Have I ever met a fan, yes. Do I meet every guy who wants to, no.



Not a single person here is honestly fearful for me, they just dont agree with me and love the dramatics. I've been in this industry for a quite some time and my personal safety is always #1. I know what I'm doing k. Thanks for your concern :)

Graceface
10-29-2013, 02:14 PM
Geez. Some of you guys are a bunch of overanalyzing scaredy cats. I have gone on weekend dates with many men I've met on nf and in clubs. With proper screening I honestly dont see what the problem is. Alot of my regs also buy me stuff off of amazon & know my pp info and nobody has ever shown up on my property in a Jason mask ready to kill me.

Not every guy is a wierdo and I can understand being leary of some but to each their own ya know. If its not your cup of tea, by all means dont do it but everyone doesnt share that same idea. If someone isnt afraid to do it, you shouldnt be afraid for them.

Just because you haven't had a bad experience (yet), doesn't mean there are not thousands of documented cases of women disappearing, or being assaulted. How many women (including myself, here) have had horrible shit happen to them via dating, or just being at the wrong place at the wrong time?

Yes, I'm afraid of being stalked. Yes, I'm afraid of being assaulted. Yes, I value my safety enough to know that there are too many variables in a situation like this for me to feel safe.

I cringe at the thought of anyone doing this, but, if you are, do everything you can to pre-screen them/minimize the potential of an unsafe environment.

audritwo
10-29-2013, 03:06 PM
I like being a virtual being. :D

justanothercamgirl
10-29-2013, 04:56 PM
A fan found me on myspace years ago, he too was in the adult industry & wanted to do a trade shoot next time I was in LA. Told him no, he just seemed off to me. A year or so later, he took a sword & killed people on a porn set then after a police chase offed himself.

Your story had me curious so I went back to read about the case. It is so sad that he ended up killing that man who was just trying to come to the aid of the others. I am so glad you trusted you own gut on this. This forum would be a much less educational place without your fantastic advice.

redroberts
10-29-2013, 05:34 PM
I would not meet anyone that would ruin the experience for me and the custie the purpose is to have a fantasy. If I wanted to met a guy for money and gifts I'd just get a sugar daddy no need to mix business with pleasure this is my job and I don't shit where I eat. I agree all this meeting is messing up the industry. Soon guys will expect it from everyone.

kortneykay
10-29-2013, 05:41 PM
Kortneykay he wasnt against camming, but he wanted me spend more time with him. Now we are literaly together 24 h haha.

Okay, you confused me because you said that he would send you cards, gifts, and money because he wanted you to stop working. Usually when I see guys wanting a girl to stop working, and giving her money, he no longer wants her to cam/do adult things. Thanks for clearing that up.

DonaDiabla
10-29-2013, 11:00 PM
You have no clue as to what makes me tick so please dont put words in my mouth. I simply gave an honest reply to the OP's topic just as everyone else has.



I have had my own solo site since 1997 and my fan base is driven from my own site. I've been on NF since 2002 and the majority of my regulars are club customers that I have had for years. I could see if I was poaching cam customers or an escort advertising in my NF listings but that is not the case.

Years ago I used NF primarily to set up pre payments for lap dances at the club. my club has its own currency and knew I was doing it and not once did they say to me I was cheating the club out of their cut. Thats just silly. Nowadays I use NF only to accept tributes, havent done a call or show there in over 2 years.

I never said I diverted them off site, what I said was that there are men that have my PP info (shows real name,address) and I am not in fear of someone coming over. My wishlist is on my business cards as well as on my site and I am not one for turning down gifts. Many girls have one.



If I was doing something wrong, I would have been reported a looong time ago. If youre saying that I am hurting your money, while flattering, dont give me that much credit. I have no issue with being honest and its not me you should be worried about, there are girls who do far more than I ever will and just arent vocal about it. I can understand why youre upset but I do not actively date men I meet on cam sites. Have I ever met a fan, yes. Do I meet every guy who wants to, no.



Not a single person here is honestly fearful for me, they just dont agree with me and love the dramatics. I've been in this industry for a quite some time and my personal safety is always #1. I know what I'm doing k. Thanks for your concern :)

Secret Crush, I was just being real with you but I am glad you are doing wonderful in your career. Now that understand more of your backstory,, it does make more sense that you are keeping in touch with your fans :)

TeenageAnnie
10-30-2013, 04:28 AM
i forgot to add, theres also a lot of us camgirls who wear disguises and a bucket of makeup on cam so that we look nothing like we actually do. use fake accents and angles to change our body shape lol. i'm a big catfish. could you imagine me meeting a customer, they would say "go away im waiting for someone else" :D aha

AF camgirl
10-30-2013, 01:19 PM
Lmao, I laughed out loud at this. I definitely look thinner on cam than I am, irl (or at least I think so). I'm not sure why, but in the encoder I'm like. "Awe, I look skinny" then when I'm in front of the mirror I'm like "omg whose this whale!" Lol, it's all about the angles because I can make my very not toned stomach appear flat on cam ... Now if only I could figure out how to make my arms appear thinner .. Hmm ... Oh and you also can't see all my acne bumps on cam, but they are SO noticeable irl even with foundation on, grr ...

Anyways, back on topic, haha ...

Long sleeves with deep V-necks are my very best friends. arms appear thinner, eyes directed elsewhere. WIN-WIN

Starxx
10-30-2013, 04:28 PM
I wanted to kind of throw my two cents in and sum up what others have said.

Unless you work at a strip club, it is probably not worth meeting them in person. I've met a handful of my regulars. I'd say I've met maybe 5 over the past 5 years. 4 of them I had come visit me when I worked as a dancer and one I met when we happened to be in Vegas at the same time and my girlfriend was ditching me all week. So of the 4 I had meet me at the strip club, they all spent money on me in person. But looking back on it they never spent much on me online after that. I assumed they just weren't online much but really they just kept wanting to see me at the club again or to take me out. Which I wouldn't have minded (them visiting the club that is) but they wanted more individual attention which wasn't going to happen.

Plus it is kind of weird if you go private with them after seeing them/talking to them in person. Regulars come and go all the time but I don't really think it was worth it.

SecretCrush
10-31-2013, 08:22 AM
It is extremely lucrative for me to meet my fans. The last time I've ever met one was in 2009 and he paid me twice what I asked, paid cash for bigger implants and gifted me an s class mercedes that I dont even drive because I have a pink bentley that I paid for in cash from my website earnings. He also paid for me to take off for two years. He bought me an escalade for my recent birthday and is buying me a c7 for christmas. Make fun all you want but I am no joke when it comes to my money.

I respect everyones opinion and if this is not something you choose to do then so be it but dont hate me because I do and am honest about it. I completely understand if thats not how you roll but I am not forcing my views down anyones throat so I honestly dont see why people have such a problem. If you knowingly came into this thread with such an opinion, you set yourself to get upset. Thankfully the ignore function is here so I dont have to deal with trash and cattiness.

justanothercamgirl
10-31-2013, 09:34 AM
I respect everyones opinion and if this is not something you choose to do then so be it but dont hate me because I do and am honest about it. I completely understand if thats not how you roll but I am not forcing my views down anyones throat so I honestly dont see why people have such a problem. If you knowingly came into this thread with such an opinion, you set yourself to get upset. Thankfully the ignore function is here so I dont have to deal with trash and cattiness.

Calling other people 'scaredy-cats' when they don't hold the same opinion you have....not a sign of respect. It actually shows both trashiness and cattiness.

TeenageAnnie
10-31-2013, 03:07 PM
It is extremely lucrative for me to meet my fans. The last time I've ever met one was in 2009 and he paid me twice what I asked, paid cash for bigger implants and gifted me an s class mercedes that I dont even drive because I have a pink bentley that I paid for in cash from my website earnings. He also paid for me to take off for two years. He bought me an escalade for my recent birthday and is buying me a c7 for christmas. Make fun all you want but I am no joke when it comes to my money.

I respect everyones opinion and if this is not something you choose to do then so be it but dont hate me because I do and am honest about it. I completely understand if thats not how you roll but I am not forcing my views down anyones throat so I honestly dont see why people have such a problem. If you knowingly came into this thread with such an opinion, you set yourself to get upset. Thankfully the ignore function is here so I dont have to deal with trash and cattiness.

Jesus Christ he spent a lot on you. I wonder if you had to have sex with him for all that?

JaneBurgess
10-31-2013, 03:19 PM
I'm sorry but guys don't gift items like that without sex. Also no one made fun of you, they said it wasn't a good idea.

I guess people have an issue with it because we are tired of guys thinking that we want to meet up with them. I personally don't and I don't care if you do.



It is extremely lucrative for me to meet my fans. The last time I've ever met one was in 2009 and he paid me twice what I asked, paid cash for bigger implants and gifted me an s class mercedes that I dont even drive because I have a pink bentley that I paid for in cash from my website earnings. He also paid for me to take off for two years. He bought me an escalade for my recent birthday and is buying me a c7 for christmas. Make fun all you want but I am no joke when it comes to my money.

I respect everyones opinion and if this is not something you choose to do then so be it but dont hate me because I do and am honest about it. I completely understand if thats not how you roll but I am not forcing my views down anyones throat so I honestly dont see why people have such a problem. If you knowingly came into this thread with such an opinion, you set yourself to get upset. Thankfully the ignore function is here so I dont have to deal with trash and cattiness.

DonaDiabla
10-31-2013, 03:52 PM
Jesus Christ he spent a lot on you. I wonder if you had to have sex with him for all that?

It is possible to get all of those things without sex...she could just be a great hustler and men will pay for her hustle. She seems to know what she is doing and is doing well for herself.

DonaDiabla
10-31-2013, 03:56 PM
I'm sorry but guys don't gift items like that without sex. Also not one made fun of you, they said it wasn't a good idea.

I guess people have an issue with it because we are tired of guys thinking that we want to meet up with them. I personally don't and I don't care if you do.

I had issue with it at first from a safety point of view but she explain it was just her clients from the club then it made more sense to me. However, I have heard of women getting presents like that without having sex with the dude. At first, I thought she was an cam model or a pso...but then she explain that she works at a club than it makes more sense.

SecretCrush
10-31-2013, 04:21 PM
Jesus Christ he spent a lot on you. I wonder if you had to have sex with him for all that?

I am a married woman, never slept with anyone else since I took my vows. This particular customer loves cuckold fantasies and tease and denial. Never seen his penis and never will. He still buys cam shows with me and come to the club and has been throwing big money at me before it was popular to do so and for over 10 years.


I'm sorry but guys don't gift items like that without sex. Also not one made fun of you, they said it wasn't a good idea.

I guess people have an issue with it because we are tired of guys thinking that we want to meet up with them. I personally don't and I don't care if you do.

I'm sorry that has been your experience but it is not mine. I really wish you would have asked me questions before jumping to conclusions. I promise you that I am not doing anything that goes against tos of any site and it really disgusting to me to see what this thread had become out of spite.

Rina
10-31-2013, 04:38 PM
I have been given expensive gifts from men without fucking them, hell some without meeting them in person.
Findom is a real thing.
So the automatic assumption that a women must be fucking to get expensive gifts from a man is just wrong, and unfair.
I have had money slaves that are gay, but got a thrill out of spending on a woman. Fetish is it's own orientation trust.
If someone trades sex for material things that's cool I don't judge, but don't assume.

TheBrownFox
10-31-2013, 06:37 PM
Jesus Christ he spent a lot on you. I wonder if you had to have sex with him for all that?

LMAO. You know you wrong for that, Annie. :P

TeenageAnnie
11-01-2013, 04:21 AM
If someone trades sex for material things that's cool I don't judge, but don't assume.

I wasnt judging or assume, it was a question.. i actually wondered.
Anyway I saw in other post that girl isn't even a cam model. shes a stripper, it's in camming connection so obviously we have different views about it than strippers do.

SecretCrush
11-01-2013, 07:01 AM
I wasnt judging or assume, it was a question.. i actually wondered.
Anyway I saw in other post that girl isn't even a cam model. shes a stripper, it's in camming connection so obviously we have different views about it than strippers do.

I am an adult model , I am a verified cam model and I waitress and dance at clubs.

LaurenAus
11-01-2013, 07:16 AM
It is extremely lucrative for me to meet my fans. The last time I've ever met one was in 2009 and he paid me twice what I asked, paid cash for bigger implants and gifted me an s class mercedes that I dont even drive because I have a pink bentley that I paid for in cash from my website earnings. He also paid for me to take off for two years. He bought me an escalade for my recent birthday and is buying me a c7 for christmas. Make fun all you want but I am no joke when it comes to my money.

I respect everyones opinion and if this is not something you choose to do then so be it but dont hate me because I do and am honest about it. I completely understand if thats not how you roll but I am not forcing my views down anyones throat so I honestly dont see why people have such a problem. If you knowingly came into this thread with such an opinion, you set yourself to get upset. Thankfully the ignore function is here so I dont have to deal with trash and cattiness.

http://s10.postimg.org/dmx42qend/tumblr_miilz7g_JLU1r6teipo1_400.gif (http://postimage.org/)

redroberts
11-01-2013, 07:34 AM
Secret crush your living the dream girl no shade for that. I think your situation is rare so girls don't want to met the guy who expects sex or a relationship or is a creepy stalker lol but we are all different people in different situations. At the end of the day if your not comfortable don't do it like I said I wouldnt do it but if I met someone like secret crush has I might reconsider!!!! LOL

lolabunny
11-01-2013, 08:04 AM
...Women in the adult industry...judging other women in the adult industry lol

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Rina
11-01-2013, 08:58 AM
You're question seemed rhetorical, and the OP stated she cams as well as dances.

I wasnt judging or assume, it was a question.. i actually wondered.
Anyway I saw in other post that girl isn't even a cam model. shes a stripper, it's in camming connection so obviously we have different views about it than strippers do.

ksage13
11-01-2013, 10:30 AM
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah....no. I block my state and surrounding states, but guys do tell me when they'll be in the general area. One guy kept calling me a scaredy-cat because I wouldn't meet up with him for drinks. Like no dude, you're just drawing the line. I work on the internet. Key word...Internet. Lol

In other news, you girls shouldn't be so quick to judge. You can go on a paid date with guys and not have sex with them. You can receive nice gifts without sexual favors. I think people don't want to believe that just because it's never happened to them. It's not always about sex. The men just like the company of the girl and sometimes they really do get along well so it works out for both parties.

JaneBurgess
11-01-2013, 03:37 PM
Like when you accused us of being scared? That was jumping to conclusions as well. I'm not scared to meet anyone, I just don't have the desire to cross that line. People I meet online are clients of mine. They are not friends, family or someone I met on my off time. I like to keep business as business and there is nothing wrong with that at all.



I am a married woman, never slept with anyone else since I took my vows. This particular customer loves cuckold fantasies and tease and denial. Never seen his penis and never will. He still buys cam shows with me and come to the club and has been throwing big money at me before it was popular to do so and for over 10 years.



I'm sorry that has been your experience but it is not mine. I really wish you would have asked me questions before jumping to conclusions. I promise you that I am not doing anything that goes against tos of any site and it really disgusting to me to see what this thread had become out of spite.

JaneBurgess
11-01-2013, 04:54 PM
Off time is when I am not working, I didn't try to speak for her off time. I also dont care if you meet someone in person but don't tell the rest of us we are scared if we don't. I personally don't want to and I don't have to justify why I don't want to.



^^^I'm sure that SecretCrush would not consider the time she spent with said guy to be 'off time,' it's still work. Just because you meet someone doesn't mean they are now automatically a part of your private life.

MissSeraphim
11-01-2013, 06:15 PM
I only entertain the idea to the nice, very regular customers I have. I giggle about the price I set but it's not a joke..and it is a lot.
Right now I have two guys considering it. In my entire time camming, no one has ever come up with the $$ (surprise surprise..generally the "meet me" guys won't spend often) I think it's a big part fantasy more than anything. One guy, I think just might do it and I'd love to because he is adorable and very sweet.
This isn't a question that can have a general answer...every situation is unique for better or worse.

Jade62013
11-01-2013, 09:39 PM
I agree a lot with roast's post...

1) NO WAY IN HELL could you pay me enough to meet any of these guys. EVER.

2) I do, however, LIE and string guys along, banking off their hopes of meeting me...BUT this is PURE acting.

3) I give out specific details about my life, such as non-chain restaurants I eat at, but they are FAKE. They are FAKE details that I get from googling the FAKE major city where I live, where my cam persona resides...it makes my customers THINK they are getting an intimate look at my life, it makes them THINK I trust them, but I don't. I am always surprised and caught off guard how many randoms remember the fake details I tell them, though, making me even MORE glad I go out of my way to LIE about EVERYTHING.

sydneyscreams
11-02-2013, 08:02 AM
I very occasionally post on twitter or facebook that I'll be at a certain place, and people can come say hi to me if they happen to be around...and usually in that case I have people with me. I don't do random meetups though. Way too sketchy. No amount of money can buy my comfort.