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BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 07:20 AM
I have to say I raised this with DP directly and they accepted the error (and I believed it was a genuine mistake). They promised that they had changed ALL members payouts to reflect the proper calculation! (And I believed that they had - if that's not the case then I'm really sorry I didn't bring it up earlier)

TeenageAnnie
11-07-2013, 07:45 AM
No, you earned 0.73 (the amount paid by the customer). Then JCI fee was 5% (the 0.0.4).
If you were to cash that out using AW directly then you would get 0.73-0.04 = 0.69 - 30% = 0.48
DP should take 6% of the total credits made (completely separately from the fees charged by JCI and AW)
That means on the above 0.73 he would take just over 0.04 (0.044 to be more precise)

So you should be paid 0.48 (total from AW) - 0.04 (6% of 0.73) = 0.44

That's different from 59% of 0.73 which is actually only 0.43 (small difference amounting to £1.50 per 100 credits made)

I am taking the 59% home from the final figure in the credits turnover page not from the 0.73.
and 0.73 - 41% = 0.43 which is how i was already figuring it. and it is correct. but take 5% from 0.73 and you get 0.69 which is what i made from the customer. so what i said earlier was correct. I recieved 0.69 of that customers credits. and then i will lose a further 30% (AW) and 6% (DP) from it and recieve 0.43 pennies.

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 07:48 AM
if you are taking 59% home then they are paying you incorrectly.
If you worked AW independently you would get 66.5%
66.5% - 6% does not make 59%.

DP have already acknowledged this and have told me they now (correctly) pay everyone 60.5%. If that's not the case for you then you should raise it with him.

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 07:50 AM
OK, take your calculation
By what you said, you should receive 0.69- 36% right???

0.69-36% is actually 0.44!
Check it from that position and you'll see what I mean.

Like I said, over 100 credits this difference amounts to £1.50

graciejames
11-07-2013, 07:57 AM
If he is out of pocket of 20 000 + it just shows how much he is making off us. I was kicked out of dp for having the temerity to point out that he was taking 11% off our AW earnings and not 6%. The extra 5% he claims was for using Just Cam It. I pointed out that AW took that off our earnings before he was paid our earnings. So in effect we were paying the JCI fee twice. He then closed my DP account and delayed releasing my account, by 3 weeks back to AW. I was totally roasted by the girls on the AW board , who think the sun shines out his arse.

Hi Nightape, here is the thread you're talking about http://adultworkforum.com/thread-3749.html, i'm not defending Collin or DailyPay, however i do think people should know all of the facts, it is you who was proven wrong on that thread and then became incredibly patronizing about it.

Collin/DP own adultworkforum, by the way. I'm guessing that may make people less likely to slag him/the service off on that particular board, when they know he owns the place, rather than come here or some other impartial forum to bring up subjects, where no-one has a vested interest in what is said.

He didn't purposely delay you either, your profile just went into the holding group so you e.g couldn't transfer all the credits to your bank account when he had already paid them to you. Again, i'm not defending his actions or playing down what has happened here; just putting the facts out there.

ukmissy
11-07-2013, 08:16 AM
i dont get why you are using a per 100 credits formula? its £1 per 1 credit. so if a customer spends 1credit I get 59% of that which is 0.59p. so on DP i earn 0.59p per credit. and i've just spent the last half hour calculating all my figures to a tee and he isn't stealing anything.


This isn't correct - if DP deduct 5% from what AW have already deducted, you should not leave with 59%! You need to first deduct the DC fee, then deduct aw fee, and then deduct DP fee...... if however you add all the %s together and deduct them in the way you are.... 100% - (6+5+30) = 59 This isn't correct , this is just adding together the %s. If they're not deducted in the correct order, you will lose an extra 1.50 per 100 transferred ! But I'll also mention ... DP does NOT pay me 59% they remove 6% and pay me accordingly , which works at as 60.50 in every 100 ... not 59! This Magic 59% is only the %'s added together, it actually means nothing here, because at no point is it removed in one go!

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 08:20 AM
Yeah, they pay me correctly also (60.5% not 59%)

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 08:55 AM
I should also say that DP has dug me out of some absolutely massive financial holes before now through the use of loans granted by them. I think it is absolutely disgusting not to pay those back. However, I can't condone the threats of outing given the industry we are in and the trust we have to place in the people we give our details to.

TemptingTeen21
11-07-2013, 09:13 AM
I've always found the maths of adultwork abit confusing so thats why i don't want to be in any group where errors can and will be made whether accidental or purposely its not a good idea to trust there to be no mistakes made with pay when its one guy running the whole dailypay which has now gotten out of hand with too many members joining from lots of sites. I noticed he has re opened registrations again so maybe he has lost quite afew members after all this. I dont understand why hes continuing to take on new members though when the size of the group has already caused so many of these problems and hes made it clear that he can't cope with running it. All comes down to greed.

TeenageAnnie
11-07-2013, 09:19 AM
ok so u are telling me that 5+30+6 doesnt equal 41? right ok.

http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29

it says here he takes 41% off. I know im shit at maths but even calculator says it equals 41.

Milaa
11-07-2013, 09:24 AM
I should also say that DP has dug me out of some absolutely massive financial holes before now through the use of loans granted by them. I think it is absolutely disgusting not to pay those back. However, I can't condone the threats of outing given the industry we are in and the trust we have to place in the people we give our details to.

It is absolutely wrong to not pay a loan back. I agree.


However... I do not believe he had a 20k debt without knowing it.
Every UK bank would send out tons of letters to remind you of that.

On top of that... 20k in debt while he was doing those win £100 lotteries and now £1000 for christmas again?
Yeah.. right.

Plus him crying that he doesn't make a profit.
Oh puh-lease!

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 09:24 AM
Yep it does. But that's not the way AW work it out.

Use your calculation from earlier. The amount of your creds after the JCI fee was 0.69. If you take 36% off that (The AW fee and the DP fee) then you should get 0.44. I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me. Yet, by using the 59% of the original number you only get 0.43.

You are making the mistake of simply adding all the %s together. That's just not how it works. AW take the JCI 5% off FIRST so that what you get left is 95% of the total you made. ONLY THEN do you take off the other %s.

The bottom line is this:
If you work for AW directly you receive 66.5% of what you make
being earnings - 5% JCI (to give the credits on credits statement page) then - 30% to cash out

If you work for DP you should now be getting 60.5% (since DP realised the error and certainly this is what I get)

If you only get 59% then you are losing the difference between 66.5% and 59%. That isn't the same as losing 6%. Make of that what you will.

Cam_Model_Jess
11-07-2013, 09:34 AM
ok so u are telling me that 5+30+6 doesnt equal 41? right ok.

http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29

it says here he takes 41% off. I know im shit at maths but even calculator says it equals 41.

I'm not on DP, but I DO know that the order in which you do things does make a difference in how the math turns out. That's why we have the Order of Operations in Algebra (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally = Parenthesis Exponent Multiply Divide Add Subtract. The same is true when figuring percentages. You can't just add all the percentages together and then subtract that from the gross income.

Ex: 2 x 5 (14 / 7) + 5 = ?
If you do the correct order of operation, you get 145
But if you just do each operation from left to right, you get 25

This percentage thing was a big issue over a year ago. The whole thing might even be written out in the DP thread? I'm not sure, but I do remember it.

ukmissy
11-07-2013, 09:38 AM
Because you've added the %s together to get a total , so yes it equals 41% but what you're left with wouldn't be 59% because they're not removed in one lump sum , they're removed one by one, which makes the total each time a bit smaller .... Are you SURE you're being paid 59% ?

TemptingTeen21
11-07-2013, 10:21 AM
Yep it does. But that's not the way AW work it out.

Use your calculation from earlier. The amount of your creds after the JCI fee was 0.69. If you take 36% off that (The AW fee and the DP fee) then you should get 0.44. I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me. Yet, by using the 59% of the original number you only get 0.43.

You are making the mistake of simply adding all the %s together. That's just not how it works. AW take the JCI 5% off FIRST so that what you get left is 95% of the total you made. ONLY THEN do you take off the other %s.

The bottom line is this:
If you work for AW directly you receive 66.5% of what you make
being earnings - 5% JCI (to give the credits on credits statement page) then - 30% to cash out

If you work for DP you should now be getting 60.5% (since DP realised the error and certainly this is what I get)

If you only get 59% then you are losing the difference between 66.5% and 59%. That isn't the same as losing 6%. Make of that what you will.




How long were dailypay making that error? Strange error to make by someone whos supposedly done this for years.

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Until February of this year.
You can see from the above that it's an easy mistake to make. DP believed that you could simply add 5+30+6 = 41. Once they realised this isn't how percentages worked they changed it. I believe it was a genuine mistake, and involved pretty small amounts (£1.50 for every 100 credits earned on directcam)

I don't think they changed their thread referring to 59% because the maths is pretty complex. Instead they explained it that everyone now gets 'overpaid'.
So, they weren't lying or anything when they said people got paid 59%. It was just that they were mistaken that this makes their cut 6%. It actually previously made their cut 7.5%.

Snowy0Star
11-07-2013, 10:28 AM
why are we debating the math of % payment on a service thats on its last legs because of how this service is being ran ?

ukmissy
11-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Because a lot of girls still have money there.

Cam_Model_Jess
11-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Because someone ventured over from the AW forum to try to continue an argument here.

This discussion doesn't really belong in the thread, it belongs in the DP thread. However, I think people are interested in seeing if there are other "shady" things that might still be going on, as there are still a lot of people on the service, and more ladies who will join the service in the future. It seems hard to contain the discussion of DP's dealings to just the "outting" issue and girls trying to get off the service after finding out.

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 10:35 AM
Well,
1 because if DP haven't actually changed the % they pay people then people may not realise the full extent of the amount they are paying for the service (hence it being relevant to how the service is run).
2 Someone asked.
3. I personally think it's far from being on its last legs.

But, I do agree that what I intended to be a quick answer to a quick question has now manifested itself into a full on derail. If the mods wanted to move this part of the thread then that would make sense, and sorry for my part in the derail!

TemptingTeen21
11-07-2013, 10:36 AM
So everyone was losing 7.5% for how many years? well in that case he owes everyone money now lol

Snowy0Star
11-07-2013, 10:38 AM
3. I personally think it's far from being on its last legs.

i think alot of cam sites are going to cut their ties w/ DP because of what happened. how can collin keep DP running when he has no business partners?

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 10:39 AM
^ I edited my post above

Cam_Model_Jess
11-07-2013, 10:48 AM
I think SM at least has made it perfectly clear in their e-mails that they won't be cutting ties with DP. I think that SM is taking the path of least resistance in letting models transfer out of the service. If they have knowledge of a history of dangerous blackmail behavior and a model actually DOES get outted after asking SM to transfer her, and SM refuses... well, I just don't think they want that kind of involvement.

If Colin continues to escalate his dangerous, unprofessional, and illegal behavior, it IS only a matter of time before it catches up with him in a much bigger way. However, I think studios save SM a lot of work and SM would be remiss to get rid of such a large studio (and thus take on the responsibility of "supporting" & handling payments for all those models) when Colin (according to him at least) only threatened models (directly) who are no longer even cam models, or are at least no longer working sites for which they had the DP service.

TemptingTeen21
11-07-2013, 11:10 AM
But it hasn't been a problem before for these big cam sites to pay people directly though it would become a huge problem if they attract this sort of negative attention,something which i don't think any of these sites would want. Its only a matter of time before either something else happens or someone takes it further but i really don't want to see another situation like what happened with epassporte and lots of girls were screwed out of their money.

TeenageAnnie
11-07-2013, 12:48 PM
Ok thanks, so i should have paid attention in maths classes. oh well. what i wanna know now, is he STILL taking extra money from AW payouts? or did he fix it since you outed him? i know you said he did. but DID he. or is he just pretending he did. thanks

BritishBecky
11-07-2013, 01:07 PM
He fixed mine. Without seeing other people's numbers (which I am not suggesting I should) I can't be certain that he changed them all.

justanothercamgirl
11-07-2013, 03:00 PM
why are we debating the math of % payment on a service thats on its last legs because of how this service is being ran ?

If you think the service is on its 'last legs' then you are very much underestimating him. That is a course of action that I personally would not recommend. Never underestimate someone who has next to nothing to lose. It is when they can become the most dangerous.

In my personal opinion, this is all far from being over. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that as soon as he's done licking his wounds on this situation there will be another surprise in store for us. I highly doubt that we have heard the last of his insanity.

TemptingTeen21
11-07-2013, 03:26 PM
I agree and its up to each person to decide whether they feel safe with him handling their money,personal details,photos/videos also if they are comfortable being involved in a group which has had some shady things happen in it in the past. They need to ask themselves how desperately they need their money daily and if it were all to blow up tomorrow what would happen their money,profile content and details.

beauvoir
11-08-2013, 05:27 PM
Where was this thread originally published?

bootiebabe
11-08-2013, 05:34 PM
Was sent in an email to all dailypay members.

BlueBunny
11-08-2013, 08:38 PM
For those who have emailed Liz, could you please tell how long it took to hear back with further instructions? I've never had good luck communicating with Liz or Vanessa before, but I did just email Liz about transferring my account. I want to have an idea how long it would be polite to wait before I email her again. I have been agonizing over how to exit DP for months now, and now is finally the right time... Thank you!

KimKlass
11-09-2013, 02:25 AM
I had to stop reading on page 2. HOLY FUCK. This is wrong on so many levels and it's not even remotely funny. I am basically speechless. What a stunning display of reckless disregard for the people who pay his bills. What the fuck!

Lady Mondegreen
11-09-2013, 04:44 AM
For those who have emailed Liz, could you please tell how long it took to hear back with further instructions? I've never had good luck communicating with Liz or Vanessa before, but I did just email Liz about transferring my account. I want to have an idea how long it would be polite to wait before I email her again. I have been agonizing over how to exit DP for months now, and now is finally the right time... Thank you!
Liz replied in about 12 hours for me BUT she said to actually get your account transferred, just contact support.

I emailed support on monday evening; tuesday morning they had me off DP, but I had to enter my payment information, and i wasn't able to stream again until they approved it, which took until thursday evening.

BlueBunny
11-09-2013, 04:06 PM
Support must not work during weekends. :P I may need to wait till Monday and pray I don't get some canned response from them, as I have in the past. Lady Mondegreen, are you enjoying the 35% now after being transferred? I sure miss my extra 5% cause I'm greedy like that. :)

Update: I heard back tonight from support. They transferred my account to be paid directly by SM. It took about 24 hours for them to get back to me. No questions asked or anything. My account seems to have retained ratings, favorites and settings (woohoo!!). I also kept the same nickname on the site and was not asked to change it. I was just asked to update my contact and payment information, and now I am waiting for them to approve that before I can stream again. Liz did not get back to me (yet), but it is support anyway that actually does the transfer, just as mentioned above. Just thought I'd let you all know, in case others are wanting to leave DP and aren't sure if they should go for it or not. It was a lot less painful than I imagined.

TemptingTeen21
11-11-2013, 07:03 AM
Thats great,i must say i am impressed the way in which SM are handling it,they seem very supportive and alot more so than Adultwork who don't seem to give a shit when you have a problem with your group probably because they know the majority of groups are shady unless its one of the smaller female run groups.

Snowy0Star
11-11-2013, 07:09 AM
Thats great,i must say i am impressed the way in which SM are handling it,they seem very supportive and alot more so than Adultwork who don't seem to give a shit when you have a problem with your group probably because they know the majority of groups are shady unless its one of the smaller female run groups.

thats a shame maybe they should get rid of the groups then but we all know they wont

Fallenangel2904
11-11-2013, 08:44 AM
Holy. Fuck. I am soooo late to this thread but after reading this I need to get the fuck out of DP NOW! I've been on the fence for a while, but that's it this is insane!

So SM is allowing people to directly be transferred without shutting their DP account and having to reopen. or did I just read this all sorts of wrong? And who should I email about being removed- Liz or SM support? My brain is all jumbled after reading though all of this this morning. I want the HELL out of there ASAP!!

Lady Mondegreen
11-11-2013, 09:14 AM
Fallenangel, yes, they are allowing people to move away from DP with accounts intact, at least for now. Email support about it. Expect that once support moves you out of DP, you won't be able to stream for a few days while they verify your new payment information. Hope that helps :)

sophiesecrets
11-11-2013, 10:56 AM
came across this thread when i was deciding on daily pay... wow, just wow. Seems like u could make a case for blackmail or extortion... Gotta be illegal to threaten to reveal personal info if you dont pay. Seems like just the threat could land him in court!

I mean forget about being outed, that could get a girl killed. WTF is he thinking, threat or not, hes FAIL.

Charnixxx
11-12-2013, 06:39 AM
This couldn't have shown up at a more interesting time. I use Dailypay and am a successful camgirl. Over the past few days, I've literally spent silly amounts of time deciding how ask him about money I'm missing without upsetting him. Reading his unprofessional responses to his clients (us!) is ridiculous. I sooo wish I had enough savings already right now, I'd be on this gap in the market....

I'm so glad I read this post cause honestly I could have sworn the last time he paid me some money was missing. I thought "well maybe it will show up tomorrow" but now it's like 5 days later! I said I wasn't gonna get upset bc it is a little amount of money, but still it was MY money. I have never had any problems before this & Iv'e NEVER took a loan (who does that anyways) or saw all the rants he posted (wow) so thats why I thought maybe it was a delay in payments or something. Wow this is very unprofessional of him, Iv'e been with DP for a while now it used to be really awesome and I even stayed with DP when everyone found out SHE was really a HE, bc he still was getting the job done, but I hate unprofessional and I really don't like men being in control of my money anyways lol so I'm getting out of DP as soon as I finish posting this and I suggest u ladies do the same. We go through enough bullshit in this industry already as is!! But thank you ladies for the heads up!

sophiesecrets
11-12-2013, 07:18 AM
^^ amen sister

TemptingTeen21
11-12-2013, 02:25 PM
Yes but there are just too many mistakes made with peoples pay when you read the dailypay forum,if that were a normal work place and they kept messing up your pay you would be like wtf is going on? I think if someone can lie about what sex they are just to get girls to sign up then they can lie about ANYTHING.

SluttyLittlePrincess
11-14-2013, 06:17 PM
sexyred yes me to, The money that goes missing makes no sense, I ended up upsetting him and he sent me an email saying "fuck your credits and fuck your account" then proceeded to shut down my own account on a/w. . .I couldn't get back into it and was panicking. After speaking with a friend who is very experienced on a/w I managed to get my account back. x

TheBrownFox
11-14-2013, 07:09 PM
I ended up upsetting him and he sent me an email saying "fuck your credits and fuck your account" then proceeded to shut down my own account on a/w.
That's disgusting, and he should be embarrassed. I feel that if you hate your job that much (and decent people have to walk on eggshells around you for fear of pissing you off), it's time to do something else.

Charnixxx
11-14-2013, 10:39 PM
sexyred yes me to, The money that goes missing makes no sense, I ended up upsetting him and he sent me an email saying "fuck your credits and fuck your account" then proceeded to shut down my own account on a/w. . .I couldn't get back into it and was panicking. After speaking with a friend who is very experienced on a/w I managed to get my account back. x

Wow! That is crazy! I sent a real nice simple email asking to be removed from his group, and he wrote back fast saying "Hi, account released, thanks". I'm just gonna have to charge the credits loss to the game bc I had a feeling he'd be malicious if I said anything out the way! Id just rather have my account at the end of the day, but it's sad he has to steal from girls who have done nothing to him. All I do is log in, cam, log off. & I was missing 30 credits! but whatever, I don't know why he thought we wouldn't notice. :O

But I'm glad u have your account back, thats crazy he would talk to you that way and stoop so low! He must be going through some shit in real life lol. He needs Dr.Drew or something! I don't see how ANY girl could trust him after this. I think after a while he is just gonna run off with everyones money and disappear. So it's best to get out while you can, if u can't live without DP then u should just stop camming and find another job, but just my 2 cents. Goodluck though hope everyone gets out safe :duel:

Milaa
11-15-2013, 04:16 AM
If Princess Collin treats you bad as in stealing your credits or sends an email with "fuck your credits" just screenshot and post a topic on the DP forum.

So everyone can see his true colours.

nightape
11-15-2013, 05:59 AM
Actually, no one proved me wrong. I am just extremely glad that I got kicked out of it.

graciejames
11-15-2013, 06:05 AM
Actually, no one proved me wrong. I am just extremely glad that I got kicked out of it.

Did you even read the thread i posted in response to your post? You were proven wrong and were clearly mistaken, not by just anyone but by well known/experienced DP members. If i was Collin i would have booted you out too honey, not only getting your figures wrong but then becoming arsey when people challenged you! Have a look over the thread and THEN tell me no one proved you wrong.

If you want to slate DP service or Collin or anything go ahead we can all have our own opinions but make sure you have the right facts at hand or you just make yourself look stupid.

TheBrownFox
11-15-2013, 08:24 AM
If Princess Collin treats you bad as in stealing your credits or sends an email with "fuck your credits" just screenshot and post a topic on the DP forum.

So everyone can see his true colours.
I agree that others need to be made aware, however he'd probably just delete or edit that person's post...he's done it before. There were quite a few models on the DP Forum showing him sympathy and acting like he did nothing wrong. If you dare post a negative word about a forum admin or challenge his/her posts, members of their fan club will bite your head off...lol. Very few people actually have the balls to speak up when it comes to a forum's HNIC (Head Nigga In Charge).