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Melonie
11-08-2013, 01:43 PM
So it is racism more or less, but for different reasons than most people think.

Not really, since clubowners follow exactly the same sort of decision making process in regard to tattooed dancers, dancers with cup sizes in the second half of the alphabet, dancers with no teeth etc. !!!

Nina_
11-08-2013, 01:47 PM
Okay, there is a fault in your point though, the basic principles of supply and demand that you are referring to.....you are saying there is less demand for black dancers because society perceives black as ugly. I would beg to differ, men like black women, always have (even if only secretly, but hence the ruse of the strip club)....exotic ladies have always been liked and given the choice guys really like a variety; and they go to clubs to experience something different than what they have at home.....

Obviously you and I (and plenty of others) know black women are just as beautiful as white women. But the lesser demand for black women does stem from old ideals that white is more beautiful than black. That's why a lot of black women straighten their hair or get weaves (etc) because their natural hair is not socially 'acceptable.' If a black woman walked into a corporate job interview with an afro, for example, it would probably negatively affect her chances of being hired. For centuries black women have been told they were inferior and it's still partially engrained into society. That is why black women continue to be under-represented in mainstream television and movies. The hot female character is seldom black, unless it's a show or movie targeting a black audience. The classic American perception of beauty does not include dark skin or kinky hair. Of course as society we are progressing and we have a few black women who transcend the racial gap. But there is still a lean towards white women as beautiful, regardless of the fact that beauty is in no way dependent on race.

Kellydancer
11-08-2013, 01:48 PM
Not really, since clubowners follow exactly the same sort of decision making process in regard to tattooed dancers, dancers with cup sizes in the second half of the alphabet, dancers with no teeth etc. !!!

Yep. I've been rejected for many reasons, such as wrong hair color, or wrong height (both too tall and too short at 5'7), too athletic because I had large muscles, and many other reasons.

Tarasaurusrex
11-08-2013, 01:50 PM
I meant race not attractiveness....obviously attractiveness is a factor (though not the most important one) in the profitability of a dancer, but the reason the demand for black dancers isn't as high is because black clientele isn't as high; and there are not enough white clientele to make up for the slack caused by the lack of a whole demographic of patrons, so maybe if black men started coming to white clubs and spending money on classy black women there would be more openings for black women and they could make money off both the black and white patrons.

Also, at first due to the level of comfort (or lack thereof), black men would most likely spend the majority of their money on black dancers, however once the integration process started both races would ultimately become comfortable spending money on the girls they liked, no matter their skin color. Humans (homo spiens) have a tendency to forget past grievances on an individual basis and just move on.....that is one of the reasons we survived over more sensitive hominoid species....we are pretty resilient, and it is for our own protection.

strippername
11-08-2013, 01:50 PM
Nothing I said has been a lie, Tara. It is funny how I have to agree with this or I am the bad guy, liar asshole. I don't. Deal with it.

strippername
11-08-2013, 01:53 PM
A black women with an afro would have lesser chance of getting hired in a vanilla job than if she had a weave? I don't think so.

Tarasaurusrex
11-08-2013, 01:55 PM
Not really, since clubowners follow exactly the same sort of decision making process in regard to tattooed dancers, dancers with cup sizes in the second half of the alphabet, dancers with no teeth etc. !!!

LOL....yeah that is why I opted for the non-committal more or less LOL....however the no teeth look is news to me, though nothing is really surprising anymore!

Melonie
11-08-2013, 01:57 PM
so maybe if black men started coming to white clubs and spending money on classy black women there would be more openings for black women and they could make money off both the black and white patrons.

That's a possibility ... and one which has certainly proved to be possible in certain cities like Atlanta.

However, in less 'post-racial' economy cities, another possibility looms. That possibility is that the influx of a large number of black club customers ... who also happen to exhibit 'less than post-racial' attitudes and behaviors, will change the club's vibe such that it becomes uncomfortable for some existing white club customers.

If those white club customers stop coming, and their disproportionately high club spending stops coming as well, EVERYBODY loses !!! This is essentially a corollary to IRS facts ... that the top 10% of American earners pay 66% of all income taxes, while the lowest earning 50% of Americans only pay 4% of all income taxes. In business, other than door cover charge revenues, per capita customer spending wins out over simple customer 'head count' every single time !!!

Tarasaurusrex
11-08-2013, 02:08 PM
^^^^ I have a feeling though if a club is well established they probably keep 'in touch' with their regular clientle, therefore if it became uncomfortable for their most lucrative patrons the management would be sure to make it as unpleasant as possible for the less lucrative clientle, of course this is less favorable then retaining both clientle groups, but it is in the club's best interest to keep long-time patrons and big spenders happy......that sounds cynical, but that's business. BTW I wasn't trying to parrot your thoughts on the fact that dancer's that are hired are determined by the clientele demand and overall demographics....but it's good to know I am not the only one that realizes that is the case.....:)

Stippername: You said you never put words in anyone's mouth, you just said what people where thinking and too afraid to say. So, yes you did lie, in the same sentence which is an amazing feat!

"Say good night to the bad guy" - LOL sorry couldn't resist that one.

Melonie
11-08-2013, 02:11 PM
if a club is well established they probably keep 'in touch' with their regular clientle, therefore if it became uncomfortable for their most lucrative patrons the management would be sure to make it as unpleasant as possible for the less lucrative clientele

Arguably, that is the only thing posted in this thread so far which might actually result in an accurate charge of 'racial discrimination' against a clubowner !!!

strippername
11-08-2013, 02:15 PM
You are right. I am a liar. Everyone agrees with you. Even the unspoken voices. I do not think it is racism and I do think some people will not comment because they agree. They don't want this goofy back and forth that means absolutely nothing. Your PM trying to start shit with me proves that you are just trying to argue. I would rather not.

Tarasaurusrex
11-08-2013, 02:21 PM
Arguably, that is the only thing posted in this thread so far which might actually result in an accurate charge of 'racial discrimination' against a clubowner !!!

But, if management is smart enough (which most will be) I am sure their regular clientele has at least one person from each minority group as part of their 'roster' of rich regulars and they may even know their relationships with their white patrons, so they can make sure they would agree with them, my ex-GM was a marine sniper in Vietnam, if anyone can think 10 steps ahead it is someone with that background. Also, rich people tend to stick together and they tend to form alliances that make them appear unbiased and upstanding, although the common denominator connecting them is money - it seems that the shadier the act, the more prepared the offenders of the act are....

Aurora_Sunset
11-08-2013, 02:28 PM
I'm temporarily closing this thread because it's degenerated into a circle of only a few people repeating their points over and over and arguing over each other - hardly what I call a constructive conversation. If the OP would like it opened again, I'll clean it up and let her try again, but for now, say goodbye.

strippername
11-08-2013, 02:28 PM
I missed this part. This club has two real sides of the club? Do they have two different names? Did you move to Vegas just to dance or are you traveling?