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WendiStarr
05-16-2017, 05:05 PM
I don't hate men. I did go through a period where I felt like that after breaking up with my ex/daughter's father. He was the worst of any man I've ever met. Sometimes this type of work makes me feel like I dislike men when I deal with the freeloaders who sit in my chat room for an hour a day making demands but never tipping, the asshats at the club where I used to strip who would pay the $25 vip room fee and expect me to give them sex, cheap clients who shorted me money, the physically abusive client who showed up for a body rub but decided to make me his personal punching bag instead, and the jerk who I went to high school with who unsuccessfully tried to blackmail me into giving him free lapdances and sex, the fake sugar daddy who talked about how he was going to support me financially because he didn't want me to be a stripper any more and seemed to think that sending me $40 a week via Paypal would be enough for me to survive on. I realize that not all men are bad and I don't hate all men, just the ones who are assholes.
jack0177057
05-17-2017, 01:55 PM
Maybe, its as simple as moving somewhere else. NYC is just a rough place to live if you are gorgeous, but, want to be left alone.
In the South, you may find men with better manners and civility. I'm not saying you won't get noticed, and, I am not saying you won't find creeps here too. But, as a general rule, there is greater respect and manners.
Strip clubs are a different story though, because, high contact is the norm here.
WendiStarr
05-17-2017, 02:26 PM
^ I agree with you about the South. Southern men are my favorite, too bad I'm stuck in the midwest.
jack0177057
05-18-2017, 09:37 AM
Astute observation, and, the problem is broader than gender wars. The election of Trump as president reflects how miserable, frustrated, disoriented, resentful and angry a large segment of American working class white men are.
No offense to anyone on this forum and all present parties are excepted from this comment.... It is a tough time to be an American working class white man. Before, people with silly foreign names used to work for you. But now, they either took your job away, or you are working for them. As if global trade (i.e., cheap foreign labor) was not a menace enough, advances in technology is making possible robotic beings with artificial intelligence that are a hundred times faster than you and infinitely smarter. Even if Trump could bring back all the manufacturing jobs that went abroad, don't count on getting back your $25/hr low-skill manufacturing job. Those glory days of powerful unions are over. Robots cost less, and they don't unionize. Before, no matter how shitty and insignificant you felt outside your home, you could always rely on your girlfriend or wife to make you feel like a lord and master at home. She was subordinate and looked up to you with some measure of admiration, no matter how much of a loser you actually were. But now, she's your equal, and she can see you the same way other people see you. And, you feel threatened by her surpassing you in education, training and/or earning. Everything you thought you knew about your unique status and privileges as an American white man is being shredded to pieces... and you are pissed!
Absolutely brilliant comment! You just summed up everything that I have thought about but have had trouble putting into words. It seems to me a lot of men are getting madder and madder the more independent and sure of themselves women are. Hell, even other women are blaming other women. Literally made me sick to my stomach, but a female relative actually said "life used to be so much easier before women's rights stirred the pot." Even my mom has blamed women for dead-beat dads that don't stick around. "Well if they would stop putting out so easy there would not be so many issues." I am not trying to be a victim, but I am SICK and FUCKING TIRED of every little thing being blamed on us. Kids don't turn out right? Woman's fault. Divorce? Woman's fault. "The decline of the nuclear family?" Women's issues caused that. And then you have the poor, poor men who get friend-zoned by us evil wimmin. Like SuperJa said, because maybe we are terrified of retaliation if we turn you down?
Ugg I could go on for hours...
SnuffleUffleGrass
05-18-2017, 01:32 PM
I have to mention there are classes of men in North America who still have it good- some blue collar workers & "cowboy" types.
The problem with young men is they have been abandoned to video games and recreational drugs. There are potheads on XBox who would love to go camping or learn some valuable work skills if given the chance. The Rat Race has really thrown a lot of young people under the bus. Teach a young guy to change oil, do brakes on a car, or how to survive in the woods. You'll be doing him a priceless favor.
& To be perfectly honest the standard American views that produced disadvantaged kids are STILL too popular ("having babies is always the right thing to do whether you're ready or not/ respect your parents even if they're deadbeat morons/believe everything your read in the paper, etc".....) You can barely expect adults to raise kids right if the parental figures in a household are BARELY affording their mortgage payment or BARELY able to put food on the table. Kids start learning pessimism and desperation at home. & Social programs sometimes barely make a dent in decades of bad parenting that produces loser kids.
bbwbrianna
05-18-2017, 06:33 PM
I think a lot of women in the sex industry feel this way. Men treated me like an object before I started camming. A doll that doesn't have feelings. I guess that's what lead me to do adult work in the first place.
lemiwinks31
05-19-2017, 01:52 PM
I don't hate men. I did go through a period where I felt like that after breaking up with my ex/daughter's father. He was the worst of any man I've ever met. Sometimes this type of work makes me feel like I dislike men when I deal with the freeloaders who sit in my chat room for an hour a day making demands but never tipping, the asshats at the club where I used to strip who would pay the $25 vip room fee and expect me to give them sex, cheap clients who shorted me money, the physically abusive client who showed up for a body rub but decided to make me his personal punching bag instead, and the jerk who I went to high school with who unsuccessfully tried to blackmail me into giving him free lapdances and sex, the fake sugar daddy who talked about how he was going to support me financially because he didn't want me to be a stripper any more and seemed to think that sending me $40 a week via Paypal would be enough for me to survive on. I realize that not all men are bad and I don't hate all men, just the ones who are assholes.
I think it might help if you look at the men you HAVE to deal with at work, strip club, camming, sugar daddy...etc.....separately from "men" in general. With that particular group of men, you will find an inordinate amount of assholes and douchebags. You just have to expect a certain amount of unpleasantness because its your job to entertain these assholes. Every job has its downside, you can expect to deal with it at work and then be pleasantly surprised when you get to dance for an actual man, and not a douche.
Then you have the men you CHOOSE to deal with in your personal life........and refuse to accept ANY douchebag and asshole behavior. If you no longer tolerate assholes in your personal life, it might make dealing with the garbage that strip club customers are as a whole, easier
Cashmere Star
05-20-2017, 07:41 AM
I think it might help if you look at the men you HAVE to deal with at work, strip club, camming, sugar daddy...etc.....separately from "men" in general. With that particular group of men, you will find an inordinate amount of assholes and douchebags. You just have to expect a certain amount of unpleasantness because its your job to entertain these assholes. Every job has its downside, you can expect to deal with it at work and then be pleasantly surprised when you get to dance for an actual man, and not a douche.
Then you have the men you CHOOSE to deal with in your personal life........and refuse to accept ANY douchebag and asshole behavior. If you no longer tolerate assholes in your personal life, it might make dealing with the garbage that strip club customers are as a whole, easier
We shouldn't expect asshole behavior as a given among customers either, just because we're getting paid. The shitbags tend to be the stingy ones anyway and the more we show them that rudeness = no service, the more they get their shit together if they want service.
miss.a.p1600
05-20-2017, 08:42 AM
The thing I hate about men is a lot of them are so desensitized because of horribly produced porn (not the good porn but the garbage porn) and Tinder and bro culture that many of them lack respect for women and some of them don't know how to support women because they have out of this world caveman like egos.
Ifyouseekamy
07-29-2017, 01:23 AM
Amen. A bouncer said yesterday after a guy got kicked out for holding a girl down during a dance, " I like to think men outside of here are better than that." I said, "nope, they are the same outside of the club, most people just hide it better."
Anya19891962
07-29-2017, 03:49 AM
I know what it's like it's happening to me too.i think that we have to learn to not bring our emotions in the club.As dancers we do encounter creepers but it doesn't mean that every man is like that and it's something we just need to remaind ourselfs.
SnuffleUffleGrass
08-01-2017, 11:13 AM
Amen. A bouncer said yesterday after a guy got kicked out for holding a girl down during a dance, " I like to think men outside of here are better than that." I said, "nope, they are the same outside of the club, most people just hide it better."
This is so true
rickdugan
08-01-2017, 03:38 PM
As a guy who kinda' lives dual lives, I will say that guys who spend a lot of time in strip clubs tend to have issues. I include myself in this comment. There are plenty of guys who rarely if ever find themselves in strip clubs. So with all that said, I agree with the bouncer who said that there are plenty of good guys out there. You're just not going to meet them in a strip club or even in circles of friends that include fucked up dudes. I have two sisters who are married to stand up guys - they certainly still exist.
Vyanka
08-01-2017, 05:26 PM
The thing I hate about men is a lot of them are so desensitized because of horribly produced porn (not the good porn but the garbage porn) and Tinder and bro culture that many of them lack respect for women and some of them don't know how to support women because they have out of this world caveman like egos.
This generation is fucked.
daggx
08-02-2017, 09:02 PM
The thing I hate about men is a lot of them are so desensitized because of horribly produced porn (not the good porn but the garbage porn) and Tinder and bro culture that many of them lack respect for women and some of them don't know how to support women because they have out of this world caveman like egos.
When I was a teen in the 90's finding an older relatives playboy or catching some nudity on late night TV was as racy as things got. The generation that came up after mine in the 2000's had access to unlimited free internet porn and much of it was of the extreme hardcore variety. In fact if one was willing to venture into the darker parts of the web you could and still can find some truly horrifying stuff. I wounder what growing up with that kind of materiel at their finger tips has done to this generation of young men?
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 10:24 PM
None of this is new, it isn't a generational thing. It has always gone on. Men in the South don't have any better manners than the ones in the North.
Now you can easily read stories from women about their experiences on sexual harassment, rape & such. The women in the tech world have a huge problem with many of the same issues as we do. Women no matter what profession do in the world & always have.
Men will push boundaries if they see if a woman will let them.
In the 90s when finding Playboy magazines was pretty much the only access to porn most young men had in America. Remember Bill Cosby & Hugh Hefner were bragging about dropping pills into young women's drinks without them knowing to loosen them up. Many of men were dropping Quaaludes into women's drinks all over America at night clubs. Women didn't report rapes or sexual assaults because they would be labeled a whore & no decent man would ever marry them.
Instead women are told to curb men's bad behaviors by dressing more conservatively. We are told to say "NO" loudly & with authority. We are told we shouldn't be in certain places or bad stuff wouldn't happen to us. No one is telling men this is inacceptable & to stop it.
This isn't new, blaming the younger generation is bullshit. 99% of all sexual based crimes are committed by men, face it there are a lot of men who are predators & not held accountable for their criminal actions. Men, will tell you that there are good men out there, you are just not looking in the right places for them. Where do we find the good ones? church............... psssshh!!!
There are numerous blogs & reddits of men coaching each other to do horrible things to women & that we deserve it. There rarely is any man on there standing up for us & how it is all wrong. Bro code is pretty much rapist code.
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 10:26 PM
When I was a teen in the 90's finding an older relatives playboy or catching some nudity on late night TV was as racy as things got. The generation that came up after mine in the 2000's had access to unlimited free internet porn and much of it was of the extreme hardcore variety. In fact if one was willing to venture into the darker parts of the web you could and still can find some truly horrifying stuff. I wounder what growing up with that kind of materiel at their finger tips has done to this generation of young men?
That porn is mostly filmed by men who grew up looking at Playboy too. They are pretty much the same age you are.. yet, what do they film.
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 10:27 PM
This generation is fucked.
Nope, men are fucked cause now more & more women are calling them out. Taking them to court those who sexually assault & use their power at jobs to get sex from women who work there.
Those pornographer's days are numbered,the GOP will be after them soon. They know it too & are scared.
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 10:29 PM
Women are paid 30% less than men. Don't think that there are many good guys in corporate America either.
Telling women that there a lot of good men out there is an out. Sends a message that we are on our own, men put all the responsibility back upon our shoulders.
Look at that Billy Bush Trump tape. Billy has a wife & daughters, he worked with the woman Trump bragged about for what 12 years. He just laughed. He hen went on to do the wink wink when they met up with another female about how they just talked about her inappropriately. Trump still became President.
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 10:51 PM
Astute observation, and, the problem is broader than gender wars. The election of Trump as president reflects how miserable, frustrated, disoriented, resentful and angry a large segment of American working class white men are.
No offense to anyone on this forum and all present parties are excepted from this comment.... It is a tough time to be an American working class white man. Before, people with silly foreign names used to work for you. But now, they either took your job away, or you are working for them. As if global trade (i.e., cheap foreign labor) was not a menace enough, advances in technology is making possible robotic beings with artificial intelligence that are a hundred times faster than you and infinitely smarter. Even if Trump could bring back all the manufacturing jobs that went abroad, don't count on getting back your $25/hr low-skill manufacturing job. Those glory days of powerful unions are over. Robots cost less, and they don't unionize. Before, no matter how shitty and insignificant you felt outside your home, you could always rely on your girlfriend or wife to make you feel like a lord and master at home. She was subordinate and looked up to you with some measure of admiration, no matter how much of a loser you actually were. But now, she's your equal, and she can see you the same way other people see you. And, you feel threatened by her surpassing you in education, training and/or earning. Everything you thought you knew about your unique status and privileges as an American white man is being shredded to pieces... and you are pissed!
It isn't a Gender war, it is called good manners & decency. You treat all others with respect Which has ZERO to do with how much money a person makes or whether or not they are employed.
It's a tough time to be a working class white man! BULLSHIT Guess who makes less money than white men do in America......... EVERYONE ELSE
Delusional to think you can stop advancements in technology & get jobs back here that don't require it.
"You could always rely on your girlfriend or wife to make you feel like a lord or master at home"...... WTF!!!! Which means she is your slave, your property.
You have an issue with her being your equal. Well, under the law, under the Constitution we are all EQUALS. By law & human rights she is your equal.
She surpasses you in Education, training or earnings. Well, not in earnings. So who is forcing white males not to get a higher education? So a woman goes to College so she can earn more money over a life time is now a bad thing? NO, it isn't. Women can be smart & cure cancer, be Doctors, Lawyers and even President of a country.
There are plenty of colleges that will take a white man's money as they do everyone's to take classes & get a degree.
__________________________________________________ __________----
"Everything you thought you knew about your unique status and privileges as an American white man is being shredded to pieces... and you are pissed!" Well, here is where an education comes in handy & reading the U.S. Constitution & Civil Rights Act. You under law aren't supposed to have "Unique status or privileges". Women, blacks and everyone else here is your EQUAL.
TO
Where is it written that White males in America are supposed to have special status & privileges? Where in the laws of this country? Where in the human rights laws established by NATO?
In Addition: 3 people thanked him for that post......... so all 3 of you approve of white supremacy propaganda?
Sam38g
08-02-2017, 11:28 PM
Dear jack0177057 What you wrote is very offensive.
Your white supremacy rant will always be offensive.
Women are less than men bigot rant is offensive.
Surprisingly enough no one called you out on it in several months. Well, I am.
Optimist
08-03-2017, 07:35 AM
In defense of the ladies who did not respond to jack (only 2 members thanked his post), this thread is from FOUR YEARS ago. The last smattering of responses came back in November of 2016 and then randomly someone bumped it again in May. I don't know about you but I was working hard and hitting the beach in May, not thinking about this thread or jack. :D
I think your take down of jack's white male supremacist pity party was on the money. So instead of erasing it, I'm gonna let others weigh in if they feel like it.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-03-2017, 07:48 AM
In defense of the ladies who did not respond to jack (only 2 members thanked his post), this thread is from FOUR YEARS ago. The last smattering of responses came back in November of 2016 and then randomly someone bumped it again in May. I don't know about you but I was working hard and hitting the beach in May, not thinking about this thread or jack. :D
I think your take down of jack's white male supremacist pity party was on the money. So instead of erasing it, I'm gonna let others weigh in if they feel like it.
It's so blatant that it's hard to believe that it's real? Silly foreign names? This is hyperbole, right? Like he's saying this as a generalization, not something he truly believes,right? We don't have radicalized bigots on SW do we?
Sam38g
08-03-2017, 08:01 AM
I only noticed this thread because others have revived it recently. His post jumped out at me & I couldn't ignore it.
Dont really care when he posted it, the fact that he did disturbs me. Seen other boards & forums slowly but surely being influenced by the white supremacist.First they test the waters, then they get a couple of people to agree with them. It just grows.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-03-2017, 08:09 AM
I only noticed this thread because others have revived it recently. His post jumped out at me & I couldn't ignore it.
Dont really care when he posted it, the fact that he did disturbs me. Seen other boards & forums slowly but surely being influenced by the white supremacist.First they test the waters, then they get a couple of people to agree with them. It just grows.
After a year of deleting and editing offensive content and sending pm's to people asking them to be more mindful, I've come to the decision that I'm going to start calling them out and putting them on blast. Let people see who they are and that it's not okay to get that comfortable.
Optimist
08-03-2017, 08:35 AM
It's so blatant that it's hard to believe that it's real? Silly foreign names? This is hyperbole, right? Like he's saying this as a generalization, not something he truly believes,right? We don't have radicalized bigots on SW do we?
This forum is full of bigots but most keep it PC. Djoser can weigh in on why they had to close Political Poo. There were so many blatantly racist statements that arguments popped up all over the board. This isn't a haven from the 60% and up who think/vote/live this way. It makes Sam's take down that much juicier.
https://giphy.com/gifs/yes-prince-confirm-JqSd3zNscEIeI
RyanXO
08-08-2017, 09:11 AM
In defense of the ladies who did not respond to jack (only 2 members thanked his post), this thread is from FOUR YEARS ago. The last smattering of responses came back in November of 2016 and then randomly someone bumped it again in May. I don't know about you but I was working hard and hitting the beach in May, not thinking about this thread or jack. :D
I think your take down of jack's white male supremacist pity party was on the money. So instead of erasing it, I'm gonna let others weigh in if they feel like it..
I just reread his post thoroughly and do NOT condone that attitude at all. I feel really bad he actually re-used my post that I had posted months before. I hope I am not associated with such idiocy. Simple misunderstanding I didn't read his post thoroughly the first time around. I was under the impression he was speaking badly about those who have that attitude.
RyanXO
08-08-2017, 09:20 AM
It isn't a Gender war, it is called good manners & decency. You treat all others with respect Which has ZERO to do with how much money a person makes or whether or not they are employed.
It's a tough time to be a working class white man! BULLSHIT Guess who makes less money than white men do in America......... EVERYONE ELSE
Delusional to think you can stop advancements in technology & get jobs back here that don't require it.
"You could always rely on your girlfriend or wife to make you feel like a lord or master at home"...... WTF!!!! Which means she is your slave, your property.
You have an issue with her being your equal. Well, under the law, under the Constitution we are all EQUALS. By law & human rights she is your equal.
She surpasses you in Education, training or earnings. Well, not in earnings. So who is forcing white males not to get a higher education? So a woman goes to College so she can earn more money over a life time is now a bad thing? NO, it isn't. Women can be smart & cure cancer, be Doctors, Lawyers and even President of a country.
There are plenty of colleges that will take a white man's money as they do everyone's to take classes & get a degree.
__________________________________________________ __________----
"Everything you thought you knew about your unique status and privileges as an American white man is being shredded to pieces... and you are pissed!" Well, here is where an education comes in handy & reading the U.S. Constitution & Civil Rights Act. You under law aren't supposed to have "Unique status or privileges". Women, blacks and everyone else here is your EQUAL.
TO
Where is it written that White males in America are supposed to have special status & privileges? Where in the laws of this country? Where in the human rights laws established by NATO?
In Addition: 3 people thanked him for that post......... so all 3 of you approve of white supremacy propaganda?
No. Absolutely not.
This is why 99% of my time on here on Stripperweb I avoid threads like this because misunderstandings occur. I'm just a dancer trying to better myself and support other dancers on here that's all.
Gia2608
08-08-2017, 12:10 PM
TBH I would have missed jack's thread jack if others hadn't pointed it out.
While his words and ideology make me want to vomit, at least it does give me some insight. If I had to write a book report for college (since I, unlike Jack, went to college) my synopsis would be: blue collar white man, realizes white privilege is dead; has existential crisis. The end.
It is a bit laughable that people have these idiotic ideas, like for instance the "president will bring back jobs". Ummm.. .no sweetie, only industry and the market dictate job creation and while passing specific legislation can help or hurt target industries: regulation/de-reg/tariffs/ repealing environmental protections so big companies can pollute drinking water of poor people etc. the president had very little to do with it.
Feeling resentful or threatened that a woman is smarter or more educated than you... well you're a little sissy if you have these feelings, Whatever planted the idea in your brain that men were smarter than women is where you went wrong with that one. Neither gender is smarter than the other; so when you form an opinion based on a fallacy this is the result. Also, black women are now the most educated "group" or segment of people in the United states, and this is not going to change anytime soon
Since society wants to keep paying women unlivable wages for equal work and women want to keep accepting it, women will just get more advanced degrees. And the "foreigner" thing... I do not know where to start with that one. US education is slipping further and further behind the rest of the world partly because of all the standardized testing bullshit and partly because the elite want to keep the rest of society uneducated and easier to control (I will not elaborate further as this is itself is worth of an entire thread or two); so of COURSE we are going to get Drs., engineers, scientists and other smart people who come here from other countries. Our people are not qualified and the opportunity is much better for the person who comes from another country (usually, unless they are from Sweden or the like).
Oh and Jack, just to throw salt in the ugly, festering wound to your ego- Harvard University incoming class of 2017; more POC than whites. I know Daddy Trumpf is trying to repeal affirmative action but it will not happen. So learn to live in the 21st century or move to the hills of West Virginia with the rest of "your kind" and the rest of us will gladly build that wall Trumpf was screaming about to keep you all out of our country.
RyanXO
08-08-2017, 01:44 PM
TBH I would have missed jack's thread jack if others hadn't pointed it out.
While his words and ideology make me want to vomit, at least it does give me some insight. If I had to write a book report for college (since I, unlike Jack, went to college) my synopsis would be: blue collar white man, realizes white privilege is dead; has existential crisis. The end.
^THIS!
dpacrkk
08-08-2017, 01:46 PM
Also, black women are now the most educated "group" or segment of people in the United states, and this is not going to change anytime soon.
This comes from the statistic that says 71% of black people who got degrees were women. This is not equivalent to saying they're the most educated group, which would be the group that has the most degrees per person in their group. That belongs to Asian men:
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Not that I agree with anything about old white people losing their privilege. I think it's funny that people resorted to populism instead of introspection and self-improvement.
LegoMoney
08-08-2017, 03:11 PM
To sum up the last couple of posts: The male ego IS under attack. I agree with Jack. There was a time in history when women regarded men with admiration and respected them more. This fed mens' egos. But, modern women are able to realize that most men aren't deserving of this admiration.
Look at how men treat us. No commitment, we're all bitches and whores (and not just the sex workers), and men nowadays don't make enough money to support a household with children with the wife staying at home. Everything that we used to praise men for in the past, men no longer provide: Respect, financial stability, a nuclear family, etc.
So, yeah, we don't think y'all are hot shit anymore and that angers the hell out of men as most want to be praised like kings for the smallest of tasks. This anger is expressed in domestic violence, sexual assault, cheating, and this new trend of men not even committing to being a boyfriend. It's like... Let's treat her like shit, because the world is starting to see what I truly am: Mediocre at best.
Men are really gonna feel shitty the SECOND all women embrace the notion that you ARE NOT less than a woman for never having "caught" a man and got married. The second the "old cat lady" stereotype dies, women will realize that we need men for a lot less in life and will much easily reject the losers (and stop fucking them too).
Think about it: women are already paying their own bills and conceiving and raising chilidren on their own. The only reason most modern women still put up with most men is because they still believe in and are trying to obtain the "Disney Princess" fairytale lifestyle. The propaganda that was forced on us since we were toddlers. Find any man to marry you and that means that you are worthy and beautiful and you'll live happily ever after. Plus, be able to post a shitload of wedding pics on Instagram which seems to be all the rage. Lol
The second women stop looking for validation for themselves and from society in the form of a man's commitment to her.... the entire system changes. And men will actually have to BRING something to the table again. And maybe the system will correct itself.
And I am by no means anti-family. If you have a good man, treat him like he's supposed to be treated. But, overall the quality of men has drastically declined. And women are slowly realizing we don't have to deal with this anymore.
Gia2608
08-08-2017, 03:16 PM
This comes from the statistic that says 71% of black people who got degrees were women. This is not equivalent to saying they're the most educated group, which would be the group that has the most degrees per person in their group. That belongs to Asian men:
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Not that I agree with anything about old white people losing their privilege. I think it's funny that people resorted to populism instead of introspection and self-improvement.
Yes, thank you for clarifying, I did in fact mean the largest cross-segment or group currently and most recently receiving degrees, not having degrees because some people graduated college 40 years ago and are still in the work force. Thanks for pointing that out
RyanXO
08-08-2017, 03:35 PM
To sum up the last couple of posts: The male ego IS under attack. I agree with Jack. There was a time in history when women regarded men with admiration and respected them more. This fed mens' egos. But, modern women are able to realize that most men aren't deserving of this admiration.
Look at how men treat us. No commitment, we're all bitches and whores (and not just the sex workers), and men nowadays don't make enough money to support a household with children with the wife staying at home. Everything that we used to praise men for in the past, men no longer provide: Respect, financial stability, a nuclear family, etc.
So, yeah, we don't think y'all are hot shit anymore and that angers the hell out of men as most want to be praised like kings for the smallest of tasks. This anger is expressed in domestic violence, sexual assault, cheating, and this new trend of men not even committing to being a boyfriend. It's like... Let's treat her like shit, because the world is starting to see what I truly am: Mediocre at best.
Men are really gonna feel shitty the SECOND all women embrace the notion that you ARE NOT less than a woman for never having "caught" a man and got married. The second the "old cat lady" stereotype dies, women will realize that we need men for a lot less in life and will much easily reject the losers (and stop fucking them too).
Think about it: women are already paying their own bills and conceiving and raising chilidren on their own. The only reason most modern women still put up with most men is because they still believe in and are trying to obtain the "Disney Princess" fairytale lifestyle. The propaganda that was forced on us since we were toddlers. Find any man to marry you and that means that you are worthy and beautiful and you'll live happily ever after. Plus, be able to post a shitload of wedding pics on Instagram which seems to be all the rage. Lol
The second women stop looking for validation for themselves and from society in the form of a man's commitment to her.... the entire system changes. And men will actually have to BRING something to the table again. And maybe the system will correct itself.
And I am by no means anti-family. If you have a good man, treat him like he's supposed to be treated. But, overall the quality of men has drastically declined. And women are slowly realizing we don't have to deal with this anymore.
Exactly!!!! When I originally thanked his post, I meant that the explanation made sense as to why men act the way they do. Obviously, I do not condone that mindset, but I wasn't liking the mindset, I liked the explanation: Men feel "oppressed" and act out. I am not excusing this, though, this is just the explanation! Apparently my and 2 other members "thanks" got taken out of context and I removed my thanks and felt obligated to apologize (see previous post) because I and those other members basically got accused of sympathizing with "male white supremacy mindset" because I thanked his post. Sheesh! Some people are really sensitive and look for offense where none is meant.
LegoMoney
08-08-2017, 04:23 PM
^^I didn't see those posts, but I understand. You weren't sympathizing, you were RECOGNIZING. And I like that we are characterizing this as "male WHITE supremacy mindset" cause it's just hella accurate. Minority men may have been able to dominate women throughout history, but their skin color still subjects them to discrimination.... so they are kind of used to it.
But, it's the first time in history where white men are realizing that they are not the only people deserving of respect and advancement in life. And this mindset is popping up everywhere. It's why they are trying to repeal affirmative action (brown ppl advancing in education??...let's lash out!), it's why Kaepernick still doesn't have a job (brown ppl standing up for themselves??.... let's lash out!), and it's why it's getting hard AF to get an abortion nowadays and why there is no paid maternity leave in America (women gaining financial independence??... lets lash out by forcing her to have children she can't afford so she never advances in life).
If this is how men are acting on America's largest platforms.... the NFL, the fucking Supreme Court, we unfortunately can expect similar shitty treatment from men in our own personal lives. Hence, OP (and many other women who don't even have to deal with the assholes in the strip club) slowly hating men.
miss.a.p1600
08-08-2017, 04:41 PM
Weird how "men" come into an I hate men thread then say ridiculous shit - confirming the reasons of the topic of the thread.
Gia2608
08-08-2017, 06:48 PM
Exactly!!!! When I originally thanked his post, I meant that the explanation made sense as to why men act the way they do. Obviously, I do not condone that mindset, but I wasn't liking the mindset, I liked the explanation: Men feel "oppressed" and act out.
I thought so too at the first time but I am pretty sure he shares the sentiment. Don't want to guess what anyone else is thinking or feeling.
miss.a.p1600
08-09-2017, 02:02 PM
I hate when men do something nice for you only because they are slick trying to offer some dick.
Like why can't they do anything nice just to be ...... idk ....... nice?
Why does it always have to be some strings attached (with a penis at the end)
*sigh*
Selina M
08-10-2017, 12:34 AM
Cannot thank LegoMoney's analysis enough.
I just had a shit day with the Y chromosome and I'm over it. Power tripping strip club DJs, randoms at the bar touching me, one even trying to get my SO to pimp me out essentially. The crashing realization came down that no matter what, I'm going to be treated as less than just for being a woman.
Optimist
08-10-2017, 07:56 PM
To sum up the last couple of posts: The male ego IS under attack. I agree with Jack. There was a time in history when women regarded men with admiration and respected them more. This fed mens' egos. But, modern women are able to realize that most men aren't deserving of this admiration.
Look at how men treat us. No commitment, we're all bitches and whores (and not just the sex workers), and men nowadays don't make enough money to support a household with children with the wife staying at home. Everything that we used to praise men for in the past, men no longer provide: Respect, financial stability, a nuclear family, etc.
So, yeah, we don't think y'all are hot shit anymore and that angers the hell out of men as most want to be praised like kings for the smallest of tasks. This anger is expressed in domestic violence, sexual assault, cheating, and this new trend of men not even committing to being a boyfriend. It's like... Let's treat her like shit, because the world is starting to see what I truly am: Mediocre at best.
Men are really gonna feel shitty the SECOND all women embrace the notion that you ARE NOT less than a woman for never having "caught" a man and got married. The second the "old cat lady" stereotype dies, women will realize that we need men for a lot less in life and will much easily reject the losers (and stop fucking them too).
Think about it: women are already paying their own bills and conceiving and raising chilidren on their own. The only reason most modern women still put up with most men is because they still believe in and are trying to obtain the "Disney Princess" fairytale lifestyle. The propaganda that was forced on us since we were toddlers. Find any man to marry you and that means that you are worthy and beautiful and you'll live happily ever after. Plus, be able to post a shitload of wedding pics on Instagram which seems to be all the rage. Lol
The second women stop looking for validation for themselves and from society in the form of a man's commitment to her.... the entire system changes. And men will actually have to BRING something to the table again. And maybe the system will correct itself.
And I am by no means anti-family. If you have a good man, treat him like he's supposed to be treated. But, overall the quality of men has drastically declined. And women are slowly realizing we don't have to deal with this anymore.
Not to be contrarian, it's just that since I'm one of older gals I will add/correct this a bit. It's not that women were that admiring of their domestic god. :D Truth i,s it was just like the strip club where your very survival was pinned on this guy believing you practically worshiped him. The more convincing you could be the better your chances that he would come home and continue to support you and your kids. There was all kinds of old wives advice about manipulating your guy so thoroughly that you'd always be safe and financially protected. A lot of the fear of failure women had was about fear of hitting male abuse at work, or men refusing to do business even in the face of our obvious competence.
But I agree that today, it's all about bringing the emotional support/commitment to us and our families, moreso than the financial support. It's a new world and we are finally coming out from under an off balanced society. The funny part is that they aren't really losing nearly as much as the are potentially gaining.
eagle2
08-10-2017, 09:58 PM
Astute observation, and, the problem is broader than gender wars. The election of Trump as president reflects how miserable, frustrated, disoriented, resentful and angry a large segment of American working class white men are.
Studies have shown that racism and sexism predict support for Trump much more than economic dissatisfaction.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/4/14160956/trump-racism-sexism-economy-study
Sam38g
08-10-2017, 11:04 PM
They have NOT lost anything. They are still paid & promoted over women & POC. Equal Rights means we are all EQUAL..... The fact that most women are still killed by their domestic partner. They are still the number danger for their spouses.
They didn't lose respect, they were the bread winners & it was keep him happy or else. Else being starved or homelessness. They felt entitled to pay women less money, to not give them promotions or raises. They felt entitled to support & help predators rape & take advantage of anyone they wanted too. While Trump is in charge they feel powerful again. Trump will fall, their world of privilege will finally end.
Women & POC have lived with discrimination, slavery, torture for centuries. So not going to cry for white men who are finally losing their privileges, but equality as it needs to be. Men felt entitled to our money, our bodies & denied us so much.
I look at the tech world which isn't any better than the sex industry online or off. Men are still trying to be in control & the ones who profit the most. While men can come here & try to defend this, it is a joke. You are all a joke.
First person to drive a car long distance, who's money kept the companies alive & was denied all kinds of patents & the money for them was Bertha Ringer Benz.
We wouldn't have mobile phones, tv remotes or won WW2 if it wasn't for Hedy Lamarr. Who was also denied recognition & the money for her patent. Men &the U.S. Gov denied her all of it.
Women are the first to right code.
How many patents, how much money has been stolen by men over the centuries because women couldn't own property? Patents once married, ripped off by their husbands & the laws written by men.
So men being the bread winners is & always has been bullshit. What wife didn't help her husband with the paper work, farm work & such? When they all went off to war, who kept America running? What farmers wife got to sit down all day & do nothing? Yet, it was her husband's farm.
Men just took credit all these centuries.
Selina M
08-11-2017, 02:55 PM
Random ramblings on the subject:
I feel like there's a class and age difference in this too. The guys clinging to the 'women are housekeepers and lesser' mentality are either the old men or the 20 somethings. I rarely see this in middle-aged guys.
I also see it mostly from those who have shit loads of money (they hence think they can 'buy' us) and those who are broke asses (probably the ones feeling all they have in the world is being a man).
Re; Optimist's mention of stripper income being dependent on flattering men: this is why I hate working when it's slow, when the men feel like they are in demand and can jerk us around for 3 hours until they deem it time to drop one red cent. I am totally fine with being a saleswoman and charming you, but not when you are dragging it on for half an hour as a subtle power play because you think I have no other options.
I threatened to do as the OP did and buy a burka the other day. We go to a dive bar several times a week to play cards, but I am sick to death of being openly gawked at and guys coming up with excuses to attempt to touch me. It's ridiculous.
I was seriously disgusted the night of my last post. I was walking off and heard some older guy go "Wow nice red lipstick!" but ignored him. Apparently he caught my SO behind me and asked him to tell me to come back and KISS HIS COLLAR. Ewwwww. "No, I don't think that's gonna happen". "Why not? Go ask her." "I don't have to, I know the answer will be hell no". "Cmon I'll give you $20" He told him to fuck off then. But EW EW EW, you're gonna try to pay another man to make me do something? Fucking nasty.
The worst part of this stuff is feeling trapped.... Like, these guys won't take no for an answer. They won't back off unless I flip shit and go completely psycho, or he throws a punch... but then we get banned from the place.
/ramblings
Sam38g
08-11-2017, 04:46 PM
Random ramblings on the subject:
I feel like there's a class and age difference in this too. The guys clinging to the 'women are housekeepers and lesser' mentality are either the old men or the 20 somethings. I rarely see this in middle-aged guys.
I also see it mostly from those who have shit loads of money (they hence think they can 'buy' us) and those who are broke asses (probably the ones feeling all they have in the world is being a man).
Re; Optimist's mention of stripper income being dependent on flattering men: this is why I hate working when it's slow, when the men feel like they are in demand and can jerk us around for 3 hours until they deem it time to drop one red cent. I am totally fine with being a saleswoman and charming you, but not when you are dragging it on for half an hour as a subtle power play because you think I have no other options.
I threatened to do as the OP did and buy a burka the other day. We go to a dive bar several times a week to play cards, but I am sick to death of being openly gawked at and guys coming up with excuses to attempt to touch me. It's ridiculous.
I was seriously disgusted the night of my last post. I was walking off and heard some older guy go "Wow nice red lipstick!" but ignored him. Apparently he caught my SO behind me and asked him to tell me to come back and KISS HIS COLLAR. Ewwwww. "No, I don't think that's gonna happen". "Why not? Go ask her." "I don't have to, I know the answer will be hell no". "Cmon I'll give you $20" He told him to fuck off then. But EW EW EW, you're gonna try to pay another man to make me do something? Fucking nasty.
The worst part of this stuff is feeling trapped.... Like, these guys won't take no for an answer. They won't back off unless I flip shit and go completely psycho, or he throws a punch... but then we get banned from the place.
/ramblings
Wow, he tried to turn your man into a pimp.
Next time get your phone out & start filming them. Soon as I do they all disappear & hide around the corner from me at stores. Or they get brave & come back & try to justify being a perv. I start recording them again. I smile & say "I'll make you famous". Shuts them up.
lillithtits
08-11-2017, 04:47 PM
@Bone: EXCUSE ME? How dare you come into a thread like this, a thread NOT FOR YOU, and blame a woman for the molestation she's suffered and the harassment she deals with. Like, seriously? It's the fault of MEN. Not dancers. Not camgirls. You can be harassed and raped and molested and murdered just for being a woman or a transwoman no matter how you perform, what you wear. Get the hell out of a post titled "I hate men now" if you're going to leap in with NOT ALL MEN!!!!!!!!!!
This is why lots of us hate men, btw. This right here.
Sam38g
08-11-2017, 05:23 PM
It is slow subliminal war upon women that men have done for generations. They are trying to sneak into this site & do the same thing. I see it. I'm aware of it and I am going to point it out.
There is ZERO excuse for thanking that guy for that extremely sexist & racist post. His words & intentions are clear. White supremacy & how women need to worship men & not get an education.
Seen this all across media, social media & sites like reddit. Now they come there to invade & spread that poison. "Excuse Me" is bullshit to flip it back on us & say we are being rude. No, we are not. Racism is rude & wrong. Sexism is rude & wrong.
Most women get into the sex industry because it is were we can make more money than a so-called 'normal' job. No matter where we work we ALL have to deal with the exact same issues is sexism & misogyny. Men still control our industry too. But slowly that is starting to change as more of us become more independent.
All we want is equality, men are fighting us on it every step of the way. It's not that we hate men, fact is men hate us. We are just fighting back for what is rightfully ours.
Selina M
08-12-2017, 01:51 PM
@Sam, that's exactly what he was doing. It never fails to astound me when they act like he's my keeper. Its happened multiple times that they tell him to tell me to do something like I have to obey ::) That and when I tell some idiot off, they look at him all "Did you hear that?!" like he's supposed to get me to be nice.
There's also the "Are you single? No? I bet I could kick his ass". We aren't cavemen! You don't get to beat another man up and drag me back to your cave.
A lot of men still obviously low-key think we are property.
Aurora_Sunset
08-12-2017, 05:14 PM
@Sam, that's exactly what he was doing. It never fails to astound me when they act like he's my keeper. Its happened multiple times that they tell him to tell me to do something like I have to obey ::) That and when I tell some idiot off, they look at him all "Did you hear that?!" like he's supposed to get me to be nice.
There's also the "Are you single? No? I bet I could kick his ass". We aren't cavemen! You don't get to beat another man up and drag me back to your cave.
A lot of men still obviously low-key think we are property.
I have a male friend who, despite how "progressive" he is does low-key but annoying crap that makes it obvious that he still harbors these types of thoughts about women. He used to make comments to me all the time about how attracted he was to me and inviting me to snuggle in his bed with him. I've never shown any interest in him in the entire 8 years I've known him. Then, now, I have a boyfriend. He knows boyfriend has jealousy issues. Suddenly he makes a "careless" comment and instantly starts apologizing. Says he doesn't want to upset my boyfriend. That he shouldn't talk that way to a "taken woman" now.
As though all the years of me telling him I wasn't interested wasn't good enough reason to lay off until I officially "belonged" to someone else. Now it's a matter of bro code to treat me appropriately, not just because I don't want the advances.
eagle2
08-12-2017, 06:36 PM
All we want is equality, men are fighting us on it every step of the way. It's not that we hate men, fact is men hate us. We are just fighting back for what is rightfully ours.
There are also lots of men who want equality for women, and there are some women who don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMJpYgJpZQ
biancalove
08-12-2017, 07:20 PM
I don't have anything encouraging to say except, sister, I am with you, and I haven't even stripped. Ive just reached a crescendo of disdain from a lifetime of disrespect and abuse (lets call it what it is) that has led me to start researching how Im going to have my cake and eat theirs too.
Women have to choose between being invisible or being objectified. That's just the sad undeniable fact.
While I've become an extreme feminist, I do love men, and know there are good ones. The good ones are the ones who care about you. But even they are jerking it to porn while youre at work, so what the hell.
I know what youre talking about, believe you completely, and know you deserve to be treated with more humanity.
I bring a 6 by 4 foot shawl with me everywhere. I sweep it over with a scowl and cover myself head to calf when some entitled pig starts staring at me like Im a porkchop. Fuck you. You dont get to see.
Hang in there, don't internalize their garbage, take as much as you can, and celebrate every time you do ;)