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.MPP.
07-01-2015, 12:49 AM
I feel like a mygirlfund type style site would suit kinklive well.

AliceFun
07-01-2015, 04:19 AM
mygirlfund site does not even allow models outside of 'western zone' to register as performers there & kinklive has a lot of performers that are not in the western zone, i dont think kink wanna get rid of these models?! Unless mygirlfund allows international models to work on the new platform?! I know many people are concerned about the partnership with SM due to show type restrictions & payment percentage, MAYBE SM & kink will decide for a higher pay percentage for all the models on site? Like 40%+? I am just thinking of the show type aspect both on kink & SM, the gold shows on SM & the similar type on kink, they same style, same hustle just different names lol. And i really wonder how much international girls will get as percentage if so... hoping for a good business deal with payoneer as payment processor here ;)

laurielegs
07-01-2015, 11:48 AM
What I would like to see is that they just use something like justcamit software for the platform and keep the site as it is without partnering with any other huge site.

I feel the site will be simply lost if they get swallowed up by a site like SM.

Magical_Hoohah
07-31-2015, 08:19 PM
The latest update on the site change, tells us... basically nothing, aside from that it's happening in early September. Here's the email:

"Dear KinkLive Models,

After months of searching, and thanks in large part to your feedback, we've found a platform to accommodate the new KinkLive. Unfortunately, because the final details are being worked out, we aren't be able to make the announcement today. Because summer schedules can vary widely, we wanted to give you a heads up to help you plan.

We expect to make the announcement by mid-August, with the platform transfer in early September. We are working to make this transfer as seamless as possible, with no downtime for our models.

While we're moving platforms, we've fought hard to develop a unique product that preserves the community that we've worked so hard for in KinkLive Beta. We're eager to introduce you to the tools, the terms and, most importantly, the audience that will help you grow your cam income.

If you have any questions, or concerns in the meantime, please contact (removed so that lurkers don't have the nice Model Support person's email).

The KinkLive team"

JustCallMeBree
08-26-2015, 07:24 PM
So KinkLive sent out the update and will be hosted on flirt4free as a white lable as of September 9th. They take percentages and how it'll work in the email with more to come. I really expected them to partner with SM.

KatyBoleyn
08-26-2015, 07:33 PM
F4F is a little more flexible and individualized with their percentages than Streamate, so I think it was more likely. The bad thing about F4F is their lifetime lockdown policy...once you've been studio'd (or even passingly recruited), you're locked to that person/studio for life in their system. This means a lot of models with existing F4F accounts probably won't be eligible to come in under KL's terms if its more beneficial (unless they can suddenly break that rule).

We never saw SM budging on their 30/35% percentage and for them KL would have been just another a medium-sized virtual studio. This would have made KL hardly a candidate for special treatment from a business perspective - at the risk of every other studio asking for more perks.

KatM
08-26-2015, 07:46 PM
I was afraid of this situation regarding f4f, when i signed up with them directly they assigned me to a studio in Prague given i am in EE & they offered 23% pay, i just tested the site & did not like it but if i am set like that 'for life' in their system there is no way to use my kl account and get paid 30% now right? Not good. Original KL did not have geoblock & payoneer but had a higher comission, f4f has geoblock & payoneer but lower percent.

space_cowgirl
08-26-2015, 07:51 PM
So, what is the percentage now for models who signed up with Kink and are also with Boleyn Studios under F4F?

KatyBoleyn
08-26-2015, 08:25 PM
Our F4F payout is 30% currently, F4F is kind of a charity case for us.

anoncamgirl
08-27-2015, 09:43 AM
I was confused. The payout percentage is 30%, and is 50% with affiliate links? Is this correct?

Snowy0Star
08-27-2015, 12:32 PM
i guess that probably means that i wont be able to use my kink live account at all . i had a f4f account about 2 years ago i was on for an hour they shut me down after that and pretty much said it was because i was a BBW they gave me some bullshit line about how the industry requires a certain look or some bullshit that i didnt have and they wouldnt re-activate my account and when asked if they pretty much mean the issue was because i was a plus size performer they wouldnt respond back to anything i sent them after that .

Magical_Hoohah
08-27-2015, 02:04 PM
I think this means that I'll be done with Kink, since I already have a F4F account with Katy's studio. I'm a little heartbroken, because I had a nice time on KL for the most part, and I LOVED the 60%. :'( On the other hand, if I'm not broadcasting to KL, I'll have some free CPU to actually use my F4F account, so I suppose that's worth something (maybe, we'll have to see...).

This might be a question for the Boleyn Models thread, or one of the F4F threads, but I notice that F4F already has a "fetish" section of the site. It doesn't seem to be tied to KinkLive at the moment, since there are regular F4F models on there. That seems like the best "middle ground" for those that can't join the Kink Studio because of preexisting accounts. How does one get listed on that page? I wonder if it will still be open to non-KinkStudio models after the merge?

KatyBoleyn
08-27-2015, 05:36 PM
We had a few inquiries about that already today, and tonight we'll play with the settings a bit to see. If the studio doesn't have the switches for it (wouldn't surprise me), then a phone call to their support might be in order tomorrow.

SweetJulia
08-27-2015, 08:46 PM
Hey, do they have geoblock like every other site on the planet has yet?

anonymous camgirl
08-29-2015, 08:08 AM
So is it NOT possible to work on KL and F4F.. I to have a flirt4free account.. and I hate F4F with a passion..


I think this means that I'll be done with Kink, since I already have a F4F account with Katy's studio. I'm a little heartbroken, because I had a nice time on KL for the most part, and I LOVED the 60%. :'( On the other hand, if I'm not broadcasting to KL, I'll have some free CPU to actually use my F4F account, so I suppose that's worth something (maybe, we'll have to see...).

This might be a question for the Boleyn Models thread, or one of the F4F threads, but I notice that F4F already has a "fetish" section of the site. It doesn't seem to be tied to KinkLive at the moment, since there are regular F4F models on there. That seems like the best "middle ground" for those that can't join the Kink Studio because of preexisting accounts. How does one get listed on that page? I wonder if it will still be open to non-KinkStudio models after the merge?

KatM
08-29-2015, 08:32 AM
They dont have geoblock & that made me not want to cam there on the original site, just tested it, i was hoping they'll introduce Payoneer & Geoblock but nope. Now that they partner with flirt4free is even worse so not a good egg for me. I wonder how come they did not think about models having accounts on f4f already? Dont they know we often open accounts on cam sites to test them out?!

laurielegs
08-29-2015, 11:21 AM
So is it NOT possible to work on KL and F4F.. I to have a flirt4free account.. and I hate F4F with a passion..

I think almost all of us do!!

I worked at f4f for a short time and it didn't suit me at all. Surely Kinklive has some plan in place for those of us who have had an account there in the past. Otherwise they will probably not have many of us left to actually work.

I've been splitcamming on multiple sites a lot lately so I'm going to give it a shot and see if by some miracle their marketing attracts actual fetish traffic. Fetish is my favorite way to cam and if I could get a lot of fetish-only traffic I might see how it goes. Definitely not liking the 30% though.

KatyBoleyn
08-29-2015, 11:41 AM
We're looking at their "pre-announcement" and it looks like they got a pretty standard deal for their studio.

The advantage would be the tie-in with their whitelabel, putting their models in their own unique "Kink" category and toplisting them. However, they do play a trick with semantics where there is already a longstanding "kinky" category which is open to all models, so I'm assuming the "Kink" category is some kind of branded thing.

We'll wait to see how it plays out, as I'm sure there's more studios and recruiters than us that will be affected by this. If this means F4F loosens their ancient rules on "owning" models it would be to everyone's advantage - models would get more choice there and studios would need to get more competitive to offer a better deal.

Again, they say this week they'll release a FAQ with all the details. I'll be caught right along with you all, being a longstanding KL model (that 60% was sweeet) as well as a member of my own studio on F4F.

Bristol
08-29-2015, 07:45 PM
It's dropping down to 30%? WTF. I'm done with KL then. Their payout % was the only reason I streamed there. The quantity of traffic was lame anyway.

MistressX
08-30-2015, 02:06 AM
I guess I'm late to the party. I worked for kink when their van nuys studio was still open. I was their first "Domme only" non-masturbating model. At first they were nervous about hiring me but I proved them wrong. When their $50/hour minimum proved that it wasnt feasible, they switched to a % but I cant remember what that % was. I was done with them not long after that. Sucks because as soon as I left they became more relaxed with their rules they used to have on appearance.. and I know when they originally switched their pay structure it was definitely not 60%! I wish I would have stayed to get that.. But I was literally making 0 dollars because there was something going on where they changed the whole site and customers hated it. All in all, I did not enjoy my experience with them.

Anyway the point of that was... After all that, I am really not surprised kink didnt survive on it's own and is going to another platform. But I never expected them to choose flirt4free. I think that's really going to screw them over, especially the percentage. When I worked for them, they really seemed like they didnt really know what they were doing as far as advertising and running the site, and even how they treated the models. I'll be interested to see where this goes.

Edit to add: I keep thinking about it now, and I just cant remember the %. I really dont think it was 60 although if it was that would really suck because I would have been left out of that because no one told me. Bummer!

SimoneGray
08-30-2015, 06:00 AM
I wonder if those of us that have existing Kink accounts and active F4F accounts have to cancel one or the other...I don't plan on continuing with Kink as I find vanilla camming to be better for me given recent health issues etc, but I do cam on F4F all the time and don't want to be placed in the Kink category by default...wish they would say something.

RaineyLane
08-31-2015, 02:00 AM
I guess I'm late to the party. I worked for kink when their van nuys studio was still open. I was their first "Domme only" non-masturbating model. At first they were nervous about hiring me but I proved them wrong. When their $50/hour minimum proved that it wasnt feasible, they switched to a % but I cant remember what that % was. I was done with them not long after that. Sucks because as soon as I left they became more relaxed with their rules they used to have on appearance.. and I know when they originally switched their pay structure it was definitely not 60%! I wish I would have stayed to get that.. But I was literally making 0 dollars because there was something going on where they changed the whole site and customers hated it. All in all, I did not enjoy my experience with them.

Anyway the point of that was... After all that, I am really not surprised kink didnt survive on it's own and is going to another platform. But I never expected them to choose flirt4free. I think that's really going to screw them over, especially the percentage. When I worked for them, they really seemed like they didnt really know what they were doing as far as advertising and running the site, and even how they treated the models. I'll be interested to see where this goes.

Edit to add: I keep thinking about it now, and I just cant remember the %. I really dont think it was 60 although if it was that would really suck because I would have been left out of that because no one told me. Bummer!

I was also a VN studio model. The payout was 40% when I was there (started April 2012). They switched to 60% when they opened up KL to home camming in September 2012. Sucked for me because I made #2 model that month but was really inconsistent with home camming after that. Now I prefer to cam at home...

Anyway, KL was my fav site for over a year but it has been in a decline. When they announced the possible SM partnership, I decided to revive my SM account. Luckily, I got placement there just in time to make SM my main site. Probably done with KL but might check out the F4F account they offer since I'm an OG KL model. Hoping to divert my fans to SM and maybe a few to Indy. I really need to figure out Indy camming next. Approaching my 3 year cammiversary and the 35% SM cut bothers me but I haven't figured out how to convert my fans into Indy.

This really is an end of an era for me. Never thought it would be like this but happy with the consistent $$ I'm making on SM. Regardless the future of KL, I've got SM and guess it's time to find a new back up site... Either the new KL F4F hybrid or somewhere else... Probably going to focus on SM for now and see what kind of deal KL has to offer.

anoncamgirl
08-31-2015, 07:47 AM
I'm annoyed. I didn't really use this site very often because I've always been too busy, but it was an excellent backup in case things got slow for me.

I really want to try flirt4free, but the mandatory recording of every single session is extremely off putting to me. No thanks. I know KL did something similar, but I don't see anywhere where customers would view it. Kink has a history of being a (mostly) good company and I liked being affiliated with them. It's also highly unlikely that they'll use our cam footage when they have so much pro footage to choose from for advertising. I simply don't extend the same trust towards flirt4free since they clearly have no qualms taking advantage of their models and giving them the lowest payout percentage in the business.

I expect to be recorded. Hell, I even record my own sessions when there's no audio from my clients (I would never do anything to have them identified, and I certainly do not want any kind of legal trouble!). However, I only like being recorded on my own terms and with risks I can tolerate. Allowing them to do whatever they would like with MY footage is a giant deal breaker to me.

DancesWithSloths
08-31-2015, 08:59 AM
Closed my account. When I'm ready to add another site, F4F is not even a top 5 candidate.

anonymous camgirl
08-31-2015, 05:34 PM
Not to mention, I do not find F4F model friendly at all!.. You are only ALLOWED to ban 10 guys a day or else you get penalized!. You have to keep what they call a powerscore and if you are not in the top 50% they force you to talk to all the guest users and the basic customers who pretty much NEVER join, Most of the guys there I found to be cheap rude and abusive.. They are also allowed to make offers and the customers make ridiculous offers of $1 per min.. It's so insane for me.. That I am taking a break til the pay period is over and try again later.. Maybe when fall comes!..They can make you burn out so quick.. They won't even budge to tip you a few bucks for anything in free chat.. and the only thing that comes out of their mouths is begging. I have been scratching my head since April on how to get them to pay up!.. I even watched some other girls and I don't see what their problem. And it's NOT like I am not a well known cam model, Surely someone from that site would know my shows and take me pvt.. But no luck there.. I think I was making like a lil over $100 a week to put up with way to much abuse.


I'm annoyed. I didn't really use this site very often because I've always been too busy, but it was an excellent backup in case things got slow for me.

I really want to try flirt4free, but the mandatory recording of every single session is extremely off putting to me. No thanks. I know KL did something similar, but I don't see anywhere where customers would view it. Kink has a history of being a (mostly) good company and I liked being affiliated with them. It's also highly unlikely that they'll use our cam footage when they have so much pro footage to choose from for advertising. I simply don't extend the same trust towards flirt4free since they clearly have no qualms taking advantage of their models and giving them the lowest payout percentage in the business.

I expect to be recorded. Hell, I even record my own sessions when there's no audio from my clients (I would never do anything to have them identified, and I certainly do not want any kind of legal trouble!). However, I only like being recorded on my own terms and with risks I can tolerate. Allowing them to do whatever they would like with MY footage is a giant deal breaker to me.

Magical_Hoohah
09-02-2015, 01:41 PM
So the latest info seems to be out! I'm posting the email, and then I'll do another post for other interesting info from Kink's site...


Hi KinkLive Models,

As we mentioned last week, starting September 9th, KinkLive.com will be hosted by Flirt4Free. Additionally, we are pleased to announce the creation of Kink Studios, a virtual webcam studio that will broadcast exclusively on KinkLive.com and the upcoming Kink Channels and Kink section.

The new platform will provide you and your fans with a much more stable environment, a large increase in traffic and many more features, all designed to result in bigger payouts for you. Phone sex, video-on-demand, a wider variety of show options, like voyeur shows and cam-to-cam, an Affiliate program, and more are now possible. We are working closely with Flirt4Free to curate the premier destination for live BDSM entertainment on the internet!

In the upcoming months, we will be taking over Flirt4Free’s Fetish section, branding it Kink. This change will be developed into an authentic live kink experience, giving you direct access to a much larger group of fetish customers. This is big news, as we now will be the fetish cam portal on the internet!

As a Kink Studios model, you will appear on the top of the KinkLive.com gallery, and be the exclusive webcam models on the Kink Channel and Kink section. Kink Studios models will automatically get all the features and full pricing options available along with being categorized as Fetish models on the new platform. This is something the regular Flirt4Free models must apply for and earn. Kink.com will continue to direct traffic to KinkLive.com. The Kink Studios team will be here to support you, recruit new models and certify Kink Studio models as Kinky, a distinction no other models on the platform will have.

We realize that camming is your livelihood, and we’ve fought hard to get you the highest possible payout. When a Kink Studios model signs up a new customer under the Affiliate Program, they will earn 50% when this customer spends on them, plus 20% when the same customer spends on any other model on the new platform, for the life of the active customer! (Please see the FAQs for more details on the payout plan) We realize this is a decrease for some of you, as it is for us. Kink’s earnings will decrease to a range of 5% to 35%, depending on the traffic source/affiliate. Ultimately, with the new features, tools, stable platform and more traffic, the result will be more revenue for all of us.

We know you have questions, and we’ve updated the FAQs on models.kinklive.com. Take a look and let us know if there are any questions we may have missed. We will host a webinar with the Flirt4Free team for you, our current models, to address your questions and concerns. The webinar will be held on September 3, 2015 at 1pm pacific time. Look for your invite coming soon!

We are excited for you to join us on the new KinkLive.com and be a Kink Studios model. Please follow this link to accept the Kink Studios Agreement and join the team!

Regards,

The Kink Studios Team

Magical_Hoohah
09-02-2015, 02:05 PM
Since a lot of us have wondered what we can do if we already have a F4F account through Boleyn Models, I found this little piece of info on http://models.kinklive.com/faq/


Can studios apply to join Kink Studios? I run a cam studio, how do I apply?
Yes! If you are interested in broadcasting your models from Kink Studios, please contact [email protected] to request a studio application.
I realize that doesn't help ladies that applied independently for F4F, but it does mean that there's at least a possibility that some of us could simultaneously be Kink/F4F/Boleyn Models. Of course, I have no idea if that's something Katy wants to do, or what the terms would be. I'm not sure if it would be desirable, anyway, since Kink Studios might pay out 30% to Katy, and then she'd have to take her cut from that, but who knows.

The main reason that this would be desirable in the first place is

Why should I join Kink Studios and not just be a Flirt4Free model?
... Kink Studios models will also automatically get access to all of Flirt4Free’s features and the full range of pricing options, meaning more freedom to control your earning potential. All Kink Studios models will be categorized as Fetish models on the new platform. These are all things that regular Flirt4Free models must apply for and earn.

Kink Studios models will appear on the top of the KinkLive.com gallery, and will be the exclusive webcam models on the Kink Channel and Kink section. Kink.com will continue to direct traffic to KinkLive.com, sending you more kinky future fans. The Kink Studios team will be here to support you, recruit new models and certify Kink Studio models as Kinky, a distinction no other models on the platform will have. In the upcoming months, we will be taking over Flirt4Free’s Fetish section, branding it Kink...
Being able to increase rates above 60 credits($6)/minute would be nice, as would being in the fetish section (but perhaps those are things that could be negotiated without being in Kink Studios, too?).

What I find confusing is that they reference the fetish section, the KinkLive.com gallery, the Kink Channel, and the Kink Section. I have no idea what all these things are, how they differ, and how much value being on those pages has.

SimoneGray
09-02-2015, 02:06 PM
It seems they are doing what SM does with the cammodels link...which is great but it's still hard I guess for people to go from 45-60% default payout to 35% before the affiliate link thing...anyway I might attend the webinar just to see what's up and what's happening etc.

Magical_Hoohah
09-02-2015, 02:09 PM
^^To avoid confusion, the models will be getting 30%, not 35%. The statistic in their email about "5%-35%" is the amount that Kink.com is taking home, not the models.

EDIT: I can't edit my previous post, but apparently the "Kink Section" is the new name of the existing fetish section on F4F, so those two are the same thing. I assume KinkLive.com is exactly what is sounds like, but I still have no idea what the "Kink Channel" might be.

KatyBoleyn
09-02-2015, 02:25 PM
Looks like we'll have to wait a few more days for the smoke to settle, then we'll start discussing. I know F4F's management and I'm dreading the discussion already, but there might be a slim possibility we could run both studios - regular F4F and a "kinky(tm)" one. The former is not performing well for us, however, so it could end up being just one or the other. We already have the exact same studio deal they have (minus the branding perks), so "sub-letting" under them also might be a trick to be viable.

Magical_Hoohah
09-02-2015, 02:41 PM
Thank you so much for being willing to look into it, Katy! I know they can be a pain in the ass, so it's no small thing for you.

It would be a huge perk to be able to be on the fetish/Kink section, but the very first thing on my F4F wishlist would be the ability to raise rates. It makes it really hard to get serious about F4F when the max rate is $6 for exclusive shows. Meanwhile, on SM, I'm charging 8.99 for exclusive and getting a slightly higher cut. I realize that it is what it is, and they want us to prove ourselves before raising our rates, but every time I've tried to broadcast on F4F, I find myself dedicating so much more attention to SM and/or KL. There are some things that I think are actually pretty interesting about F4F, but that rate cap just kills me.

laurielegs
09-02-2015, 05:17 PM
Oh great, I didnt know about the rate cap of $6. That's what I charge for group on kink, and 9.99 for exclusive. I hope they can change that.

SimoneGray
09-02-2015, 05:38 PM
Thank you so much for being willing to look into it, Katy! I know they can be a pain in the ass, so it's no small thing for you.

It would be a huge perk to be able to be on the fetish/Kink section, but the very first thing on my F4F wishlist would be the ability to raise rates. It makes it really hard to get serious about F4F when the max rate is $6 for exclusive shows. Meanwhile, on SM, I'm charging 8.99 for exclusive and getting a slightly higher cut. I realize that it is what it is, and they want us to prove ourselves before raising our rates, but every time I've tried to broadcast on F4F, I find myself dedicating so much more attention to SM and/or KL. There are some things that I think are actually pretty interesting about F4F, but that rate cap just kills me.

The cap gets increased as you work the site...it goes up to $12 in pvt. I'm currently allowed to charge up to $9/min so its not too bad. Wonder if one can float between the Kink and normal side though...hmm

Magical_Hoohah
09-02-2015, 06:32 PM
The cap gets increased as you work the site...it goes up to $12 in pvt. I'm currently allowed to charge up to $9/min so its not too bad.
Ok, good to know. I figured that given the % of time that I've been ignoring my room on F4F, they would never allow me to increase my rates.


Wonder if one can float between the Kink and normal side though...hmm
I don't know how they are going to handle it in the future. I could be wrong about this, because it's just from my own observation of the site, but for now, it looks like models that are on the fetish side of F4F are allowed to appear in up to 10 fetish categories and also simultaneously appear on the vanilla main page and one vanilla category. Models that are NOT in the fetish section appear on the vanilla main page and up to 3 vanilla categories. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with trading 2 vanilla categories for 10 fetish categories. Not that ANY category on F4F is swamped compared to SM, but still...

KatyBoleyn
09-03-2015, 02:07 PM
The webinar went about as expected :)

The final quote before they cut off the mics was priceless.

We did get the contact for who we need to talk to now.

misspandora
09-03-2015, 02:12 PM
I just came out of the webinar about the transition. There were 2 things people were pissed about:

1) The lack of ability to prevent your info from showing up on white label sites like "camprostitutes.com"

2) the 30% payout

Now, I kept trying to point out that F4F gives you many more ways to make money from the site, including this cool "Fan Club" option, allowing customers to buy your VOD, setting up a wishlist they can buy stuff from, and the affiliate program.

Their affiliate program sounds similar to streamate's. If someone comes in through you, you get the affiliate income from whatever they spend, even if it's on another model.

Did any of you participate? What do you think?


Ok, good to know. I figured that given the % of time that I've been ignoring my room on F4F, they would never allow me to increase my rates.


I don't know how they are going to handle it in the future. I could be wrong about this, because it's just from my own observation of the site, but for now, it looks like models that are on the fetish side of F4F are allowed to appear in up to 10 fetish categories and also simultaneously appear on the vanilla main page and one vanilla category. Models that are NOT in the fetish section appear on the vanilla main page and up to 3 vanilla categories. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with trading 2 vanilla categories for 10 fetish categories. Not that ANY category on F4F is swamped compared to SM, but still...

Magical_Hoohah
09-03-2015, 02:19 PM
What was the final quote? I was there, but only half able to listen because I was also busy reading all the stuff in the chat box. I wish there had been a bit less trolling - this wasn't really the time to discuss the names of all the whitelabels and the %, which I'm pretty sure is non-negotiable at this point.

They were pretty cryptic about it, but it sounds like they will also work with non-studio F4F models to get them moved onto the Kink Studio. Should be interesting to see how things shake out for Boleyn Models. Is there any hope that having 2 middle men (Katy and Kink) wouldn't cut the % to the models?

Magical_Hoohah
09-03-2015, 02:32 PM
@misspandora Yeah, I was a bit disappointed with the questions from the models. It made me wonder if they have never worked on another cam site before. SM models are completely familiar with appearing on thousands of awkwardly named white labels, and having our shows recorded involuntarily to be posted on tube sites with no compensation.

Not to mention the SW gospel that tons of traffic beats a high % any day. I'm disgruntled about losing the 60%, too, but if there's a steep increase in traffic, that might make up for it. I have always loved Kink, but it's also usually been the frosting on my cake. Every now and then I get a high dollar show on Kink in between lots of privates on SM - it's been a sweet little bonus, but not something I can rely on consistently.

laurielegs
09-03-2015, 05:23 PM
Whitelabels are definitely a non-issue to me. My feed is all over the net from SM and other sites on stupid sounding whitelabels. Most guys realize I'm not a gay man or a schoolgirl, rofl, even though my feed goes to those too!

I do like they give the ability to jack up my price sky high for a paypiggie like Niteflirt does, love the features they offer, and it sounds like they aren't as inflexible about things as they used to be when I tried f4f years ago.

I feel better about the changeover now that I see the features (love the phone feature that can be used off cam too) and the fanclub, group shows, and especially the pause feature so that I can pause it while splitting to do a private on another site. The pause in particular will help me be able to stay on longer.

Still not liking the 30% of course but the KL traffic had died so much for me lately that the higher percent was irrelevant.

Time will tell. I'm going to give it a try.

Magical_Hoohah
09-03-2015, 05:49 PM
@Laurie ~ I described the "fake show" button in the verified thread. It's even better for splitting than a pause button!

misspandora
09-03-2015, 08:12 PM
Exactly what I was thinking!

And all the moaning and groaning "we won't make any money from the affiliate program"..well, not if you don't promote yourself, you won't! That's true! You actually have to do a little work..omg, god forbid lol


@misspandora Yeah, I was a bit disappointed with the questions from the models. It made me wonder if they have never worked on another cam site before. SM models are completely familiar with appearing on thousands of awkwardly named white labels, and having our shows recorded involuntarily to be posted on tube sites with no compensation.

Not to mention the SW gospel that tons of traffic beats a high % any day. I'm disgruntled about losing the 60%, too, but if there's a steep increase in traffic, that might make up for it. I have always loved Kink, but it's also usually been the frosting on my cake. Every now and then I get a high dollar show on Kink in between lots of privates on SM - it's been a sweet little bonus, but not something I can rely on consistently.

laurielegs
09-09-2015, 08:32 PM
Well, tried the new site.

Am I mistaken or did they not tell us we could charge more than $6? and that we can block basic guests? None of this is happening.

There does seem to be traffic but I am not sure I can even stand to work the site if I can't turn off all the annoying chatter from nonregistered losers.

Very disappointed so far.

Edited to add - i see that you can charge more with time. Never gonna happen for me probably because I can't tolerate the site at all.

The free chatters constant insults are a dealbreaker for me unless they can turn them off I think I'm officially done after less than an hour in their chat!


I'm so sad they ruined the coolest kinky site like this :( It's too bad they didn't have funds to advertise more. Their platform usually worked just fine for me.

JaneBurgess
09-09-2015, 11:05 PM
Flirt4Free made a huge mistake by not allowing performers to turn off guests and basics from chatting. All they do is beg and then cuss at you for not doing what they want for free.



Well, tried the new site.

Am I mistaken or did they not tell us we could charge more than $6? and that we can block basic guests? None of this is happening.

There does seem to be traffic but I am not sure I can even stand to work the site if I can't turn off all the annoying chatter from nonregistered losers.

Very disappointed so far.

Edited to add - i see that you can charge more with time. Never gonna happen for me probably because I can't tolerate the site at all.

The free chatters constant insults are a dealbreaker for me unless they can turn them off I think I'm officially done after less than an hour in their chat!


I'm so sad they ruined the coolest kinky site like this :( It's too bad they didn't have funds to advertise more. Their platform usually worked just fine for me.

anonymous camgirl
09-10-2015, 07:35 AM
I have learned to click ignore user...lol.. eventually you can turn them off when you get to the top 50% and then things are so much peaceful!..


Well, tried the new site.

Am I mistaken or did they not tell us we could charge more than $6? and that we can block basic guests? None of this is happening.

There does seem to be traffic but I am not sure I can even stand to work the site if I can't turn off all the annoying chatter from nonregistered losers.

Very disappointed so far.

Edited to add - i see that you can charge more with time. Never gonna happen for me probably because I can't tolerate the site at all.

The free chatters constant insults are a dealbreaker for me unless they can turn them off I think I'm officially done after less than an hour in their chat!


I'm so sad they ruined the coolest kinky site like this :( It's too bad they didn't have funds to advertise more. Their platform usually worked just fine for me.

misspandora
09-11-2015, 11:53 AM
You're on already?

They sent me a message last week, needing 1 or 2 little things from me, which I provided, and now I've just been waiting for an email letting me know how to log on, etc., but I've got nothing. When did you start? When did they send you an update letting you know you could log in?

:p


Well, tried the new site.

Am I mistaken or did they not tell us we could charge more than $6? and that we can block basic guests? None of this is happening.

There does seem to be traffic but I am not sure I can even stand to work the site if I can't turn off all the annoying chatter from nonregistered losers.

Very disappointed so far.

Edited to add - i see that you can charge more with time. Never gonna happen for me probably because I can't tolerate the site at all.

The free chatters constant insults are a dealbreaker for me unless they can turn them off I think I'm officially done after less than an hour in their chat!


I'm so sad they ruined the coolest kinky site like this :( It's too bad they didn't have funds to advertise more. Their platform usually worked just fine for me.

laurielegs
09-11-2015, 12:03 PM
You're on already?

They sent me a message last week, needing 1 or 2 little things from me, which I provided, and now I've just been waiting for an email letting me know how to log on, etc., but I've got nothing. When did you start? When did they send you an update letting you know you could log in?

:p

I got it on the day they went live, last wed. but I had applied and filled everything out the minute they sent it to us.

Sadly ill probably not be working there at all because they refuse to disable the unregistered losers unless you are in the top 50% and I can't stand the begging (plus can't even read the text of the registered guys drowned out by the other text scrolling by.

laurielegs
09-11-2015, 12:06 PM
You're on already?

They sent me a message last week, needing 1 or 2 little things from me, which I provided, and now I've just been waiting for an email letting me know how to log on, etc., but I've got nothing. When did you start? When did they send you an update letting you know you could log in?

:p

I got it on the day they went live, last wed. but I had applied and filled everything out the minute they sent it to us.

Sadly ill probably not be working there at all because they refuse to disable the unregistered losers unless you are in the top 50% and I can't stand the begging (plus can't even read the text of the registered guys drowned out by the other text scrolling by.

RaineyLane
09-11-2015, 03:33 PM
I didn't create an account and based on what I saw on the site and have heard from other models, I won't be. RIP KL! I'm on to bigger and better things...

Sad that they chose this path. Why didn't they use JustCamIt software and promote a little more? My guess is that they didn't want to deal with it or spend any money. They'd rather collect affiliate commissions than build their brand. Too bad, it was a unique site and fun to work. Missed the webinar because they only gave 1 day notice. This whole fiasco seems thrown together! Really happy that I switched to SM! :)

JaneBurgess
09-11-2015, 05:26 PM
Getting to that point would be annoying.




I have learned to click ignore user...lol.. eventually you can turn them off when you get to the top 50% and then things are so much peaceful!..

Issabelle
09-11-2015, 05:38 PM
I gave F4F up mostly because of the freeloaders, honestly. I'd understand if you couldn't mute guests/basic members at all, but only allowing the top 50% of girls to do it? The only logical reason I can think of for that policy is to get the lower ranking girls 'more conversation' to entice spending customers, but freeloaders demanding titties and slowly sending a model into a screaming rage is really not the way to do that. And suddenly having the feature disabled if I went from, say, top 50% to bottom 50% (i.e. out of 100 girls online, if I went from #50 to #51)--god that was FRUSTRATING because I'd suddenly have a giant wall of freeloader shit thrown at me. Pass!

RIP Kink Live. You were such fun to watch, even though I never worked for you!