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TheBrownFox
09-18-2022, 04:55 PM
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but are you finding SextPanther to be lucrative?


Not really. Nowhere near what the other ladies on here and ACF make (I seem to be getting more action on Arousr than on SP), but I'm excited about this $205.80 payment that I have pending from SP (I've never gotten a payment that high from SP before), so now I'm feeling even more motivated to stay logged in to SP every waking moment that I'm available for it. As for this new pay period that just started on September 16...I've earned $25.50 so far these past couple of days (About half of that is from texts, and half is from a couple of news feed video/audio clip purchases). I'm just gonna keep logging out and logging in every 15 minutes to boost my placement, and messaging these guys who add me to their contacts...and hope they'll actually respond. That Will guy who keeps adding me to his contacts and texting and paying to unlock pics and vids...and then removing me from contacts (He does it over and over)...as annoying as that is, he's like the main reason I'm even able to make payout, and he's my favorite guy on there.

I just started on Arousr like 3 or 4 days ago, and made $130.43 on there and requested payout. If I hadn't gone out to karaoke last night, I probably would've earned even more...because when I came home, I had some missed chats. After I requested payout, I got back on today and have made another $11.70 so far. I'm sure that amount will increase tonight, because I'm staying logged in to Arousr and to SextPanther all night. And as soon as Phrendly stops fucking around and approves this new GIF I took, I can start focusing on that again too.

misspandora
09-19-2022, 07:47 AM
Not really. Nowhere near what the other ladies on here and ACF make (I seem to be getting more action on Arousr than on SP), but I'm excited about this $205.80 payment that I have pending from SP (I've never gotten a payment that high from SP before), so now I'm feeling even more motivated to stay logged in to SP every waking moment that I'm available for it. As for this new pay period that just started on September 16...I've earned $25.50 so far these past couple of days (About half of that is from texts, and half is from a couple of news feed video/audio clip purchases). I'm just gonna keep logging out and logging in every 15 minutes to boost my placement, and messaging these guys who add me to their contacts...and hope they'll actually respond. That Will guy who keeps adding me to his contacts and texting and paying to unlock pics and vids...and then removing me from contacts (He does it over and over)...as annoying as that is, he's like the main reason I'm even able to make payout, and he's my favorite guy on there.

I just started on Arousr like 3 or 4 days ago, and made $130.43 on there and requested payout. If I hadn't gone out to karaoke last night, I probably would've earned even more...because when I came home, I had some missed chats. After I requested payout, I got back on today and have made another $11.70 so far. I'm sure that amount will increase tonight, because I'm staying logged in to Arousr and to SextPanther all night. And as soon as Phrendly stops fucking around and approves this new GIF I took, I can start focusing on that again too.

Cool! Sometimes it's overwhelming, all the different routes you can go to make money, and you wanna make the most for the least amount of time. At least texting is easy :)

misspandora
09-19-2022, 07:48 AM
I'm finding Cosmo Payment to be annoying, btw. They still haven't approved my account to be able to transfer the money into my bank account. It keeps saying 2-3 days.

AND I was trying to change my access code, and I keep getting an error "update failed", so I have to use an access code they assigned me. All in all, not very impressed with them. Seems to make more sense for people who travel a lot, and need to withdraw money in other countries.

misspandora
09-20-2022, 08:58 AM
I'm finding Cosmo Payment to be annoying, btw. They still haven't approved my account to be able to transfer the money into my bank account. It keeps saying 2-3 days.

AND I was trying to change my access code, and I keep getting an error "update failed", so I have to use an access code they assigned me. All in all, not very impressed with them. Seems to make more sense for people who travel a lot, and need to withdraw money in other countries.

Ok, I do NOT recommend Cosmo payment, unless you need to use their international ATM or anything related to other countries.

TOO MANY FEES!!!!!!!

I just lost about $10 from my payout because of their ridiculous fees, AND it's gonna take 1-6 days to get my money.

Done.

Done.

And done. with that.

ggminx
09-22-2022, 06:21 AM
V has been doing daily deposit for me, but this time, Thursday's earnings didn't get deposited Friday. I looked on my dashboard and it says the 20th for expected deposit! And Friday's earnings say the 21st! I wrote to their support to inquire since KB expedites their payments and was getting daily deposit up until now.

anyone else having the same issue? I do not use that extra instant deposit option

Just want to update that Thursday (15/9) and Friday's (16/9) earnings came in on Tuesday (20/9), along with Monday's for the weekend earnings, on time.

MsJess
09-22-2022, 06:52 AM
So i hope i did this right, Signed up with , as they are not letting me add a debit card cause I'm in Europe, I added TW bank account, i hope this works

Coolbeans
09-22-2022, 06:58 AM
ugh. I've decided that this morning cutoff blows for me lol The way my bank pays out instant deposits I still don't get paid any earlier so I'd rather just have most of my day to make money. Oh well guess I'll need to figure something out with a new bank or switch up my schedule idk really :(

BambiCutie
09-22-2022, 10:09 AM
So i hope i did this right, Signed up with V, as they are not letting me add a debit card cause I'm in Europe, I added TW bank account, i hope this works

Try to avoid using the name V on here, as they are not adult friendly and shouldn't be connected to the industry in anyway, just a heads up!
I almost slipped and had to edit my last post..

izshadow
09-22-2022, 11:54 AM
What is the cut off time now on SM to be paid same day?

SuperPookie
09-22-2022, 04:21 PM
I just learned that ExtraLunchMoney also pays out by V. I'm not sure how they managed that one as ELM is quite a bit rougher around the edges than BM.

TheBrownFox
09-22-2022, 04:53 PM
I just learned that ExtraLunchMoney also pays out by V. I'm not sure how they managed that one as ELM is quite a bit rougher around the edges than BM.



I forgot all about ELM. I closed my account on there a long time ago, but I remember that they had a texting option. Did anyone on here ever get any texts through there? I wonder if it's worth it for me to sign up again, and enable texting, and post a bunch of videos, etc. for sale. I think back in the day, other sellers had stuff on there for dirt cheap, including their custom videos.

SuperPookie
09-22-2022, 05:10 PM
I forgot all about ELM. I closed my account on there a long time ago, but I remember that they had a texting option. Did anyone on here ever get any texts through there? I wonder if it's worth it for me to sign up again, and enable texting, and post a bunch of videos, etc. for sale. I think back in the day, other sellers had stuff on there for dirt cheap, including their custom videos.

For texting not at all. I've been on there for years and only gotten a handful of texts and most of those were from guys enquiring about customs but not wanting to wait until I logged in again and saw their message.
It is a small egg but a egg never the less. Most guys are cheap as dirt because the ladies there train them to be but every once in awhile a decent one comes along.

Lintilla
09-23-2022, 08:34 PM
What is the cut off time now on SM to be paid same day?

It's something like 10:30 EDT AFAIK. So if you're in north America, it's only same day if you're a real early bird.

I wish this information was emailed to us or at least available on our dashboard (but ideally emailed), instead of being something we need to find by searching through numerous pages of posts on this forum. It was very unclearly addressed here: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?189264-The-BoleynModels-InstantPay-Thread&p=3299484#post3299484

There was a reference to this information being announced on the dashboard, but I never saw anything regarding cutoff times, and do not currently see it anywhere on the site: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?189264-The-BoleynModels-InstantPay-Thread&p=3299344#post3299344

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2022, 08:50 AM
It's something like 10:30 EDT AFAIK. So if you're in north America, it's only same day if you're a real early bird.

I wish this information was emailed to us or at least available on our dashboard (but ideally emailed), instead of being something we need to find by searching through numerous pages of posts on this forum. It was very unclearly addressed here: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?189264-The-BoleynModels-InstantPay-Thread&p=3299484#post3299484

There was a reference to this information being announced on the dashboard, but I never saw anything regarding cutoff times, and do not currently see it anywhere on the site: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?189264-The-BoleynModels-InstantPay-Thread&p=3299344#post3299344

Once the smoke clears (and it's getting there), we will put out an email with details of all the changes. We still have two more payment methods to add and hopefully we can wrap it up this week.

NitaBaby
09-26-2022, 02:13 PM
Anyone else not get paid today? Kind of confused. Is instant pay broken?

Esixxx
09-26-2022, 02:29 PM
Anyone else not get paid today? Kind of confused. Is instant pay broken?

I haven't got the email yet.

pippapippa
09-26-2022, 02:44 PM
I haven’t been paid yet either.

Serena-Shields
09-26-2022, 02:49 PM
My payment today was under verification, and I asked the chat why because I haven't made any changes to my account. The chat told me:


Unfortunately, after reviewing the information you provided to Veem, we are unable to support payments for your business at this time. It’s not you, it’s us. Veem is governed by financial compliance relationships with international finance institution partners, some of which do not permit us to serve certain business types or payment scenarios.

Our inability to process payments for you is not a reflection on your business, but a direct result of the highly regulated money transfer space in which Veem operates. We have confirmed that no funds have been collected or are outstanding on your account and your Veem account has now been closed you will not be able to access the system.

Thank you for considering Veem for your payment services and we wish you lots of success in your business


I did not give them ANY information about my job and my e-mail is not connected to any of my cam accounts in any way.

According to the Boleyn dashboard:


V*** is officially dead. We are working on alternative solutions. We apologize for the inconvenience. Any funds scheduled to be sent today will be re-credited. No payments were made today that we are aware.

I'm assuming they have discontinued their relationship with BM and we now do not have a payment processor to handle our funds.

I'm literally about to be hit by a hurricane, I do not have my rent money and I do not have money to pay for supplies if anything happens. This is absolutely the worst possible scenario that could happen to me at this time.

If V was such a risky, insecure platform to use for this business to the point where it's supposedly a great risk to even use their name in this thread, I cannot fathom the reason why it was even considered as an option. I understand it's not BM's fault that the banking system is so stacked against this industry and that it must have been REALLY hard to get any kind of payment option for us, but this is completely and utterly terrifying.

Some of us live paycheck to paycheck, a week-long delay is often enough to risk eviction for us (or worse).

I will be evicted next week if my paychecks for this week are not in my bank account by next week. I have less than a hundred dollars in my account right now and I have to assume I will not be getting any of my payments until BM finds a new payment method, which could take weeks or months as far as I know.

SashaMalone
09-26-2022, 02:57 PM
Girl!!!! I’m about to cry. I’ve worked so hard and this will only be my first payment working with Boleyn models. Rent is due. I have a small child

SashaMalone
09-26-2022, 02:58 PM
I worked 12 hours in 2 days yo

SashaMalone
09-26-2022, 02:59 PM
Crazy because I just created this veem account today and they sent the payment and I just started with Boleyn like 4 days ago after reading for hours about them

NitaBaby
09-26-2022, 03:07 PM
WHAT.

Are you fucking kidding me??? I was relying HEAVILY on payment today because without it my lights are going to be shut off tomorrow. Making another dime on cam won't be a possibility after that. Contest week was so hard for me that I left it with $14 bucks. So I really, really, REALLY needed this payment to come through. I don't fucking believe this.

Does this mean I won't have a way to get paid at all this week? The last week of the month? Rent week? So much has happened this month, completely draining my account in unexpected ways. But I just knew I'd be able to save myself and get back on track. I'm about to cry.

How tf did I let this happen? Why did I trust this site with my payments like this??? This is all my fault! This is all my own fault because what the fuckkkk.

daisylive
09-26-2022, 03:10 PM
I didn't get paid today either, it just says submitted :(

EllePurrs
09-26-2022, 03:18 PM
I'm trying not to panic because I live in a hotel, not an apartment. I'm 100% getting kicked out tomorrow morning now. I'm just not sure what to do with my cat...

NYMami
09-26-2022, 03:35 PM
Ok, I do NOT recommend Cosmo payment, unless you need to use their international ATM or anything related to other countries.

TOO MANY FEES!!!!!!!

I just lost about $10 from my payout because of their ridiculous fees, AND it's gonna take 1-6 days to get my money.

Done.

Done.

And done. with that.

How long did it take for you to get your account approved for Cosmo pay? I just submitted my application a few minutes ago. I really need my money in my bank account by Thursday morning. This whole situation is ridiculous.

NYMami
09-26-2022, 03:42 PM
I am beyond devastated about this whole V situation. I was on the phone with them and it took them forever to figure out why I didn’t receive my payment. Then they told me the news that BM’s account was closed, so I wouldn’t receive payment. Like others I was relying on that payment today. As well as the money I was going to make this week. I’m at an Airbnb currently and I only have it paid until Thursday morning. Check out is at 11. I also have to pay my storage unit this Saturday which is $141. I do not want to end up losing all of my stuff because of nonpayment. I have no idea what to do now. And of course, this happens when I was about to get a loan to help me with my expenses. And I need paystub’s in order to get approved which I now can’t get because of this. I immediately signed up for Cosmo pay today, but who knows how long it will take for them to not only approve my application, but to also pay me. Someone else on this thread said they have to wait up to six days just to get paid. That’s bullshit. What’s the point of signing up for daily pay and get an additional 10% of my income cut if it’s not even reliable? Am I gonna have to go out onto the track just to get some cash just to cover myself for the week? This is crazy! This month was the worst month I’ve ever had on cam. And not to mention it was just horrible in many other ways. BM better come up with a solution ASAP and I better get my money by early Thursday morning.

NitaBaby
09-26-2022, 03:42 PM
I'm so sorry, ya'll.

redvelvette
09-26-2022, 03:47 PM
Does anyone know if American models can sign up for paxum or cosmopay? Or does this mean BM has no way to pay any of the models? I'm not sure if Vroom was their bank or just one of the payment processors available to us.

SashaMalone
09-26-2022, 03:52 PM
You had me until you said “The track” Not the track girl😭🤣🤣 Ok I’m sorry lol. I came from 304 life to cam girl life too. I was a Hoe for 14 years so I totally get it but this made me crack up lol

gorgeousbbw
09-26-2022, 03:57 PM
I spoke to Boleyn because I am in Florida and we are in the direct path of the hurricane and basically she said they have no way of sending urgent funds even though I am needing my money urgently for emergency hurricane supplies for me and my son. they have not one single way they can get my fund to any of us urgently, no backup plan, nothing. she said basically all banks are refusing to work with the adult industry but they knew this since they started their business so how is their no backup plan in place? so now I have no emergency supplies, no money in case of an emergency evacuation order. and they cannot do absolutely anything to help. we work so hard for our money to be able to depend on it in times of emergencies and now we are stuck here in a hurricane with no help. and everyone else who is needing their money urgently for rent, shelter , hotel electric food we are all told that there is nothing they can do to help. so right now our money is up in the air with no answers how is that fair to any of us?

Hoetales
09-26-2022, 03:59 PM
Wait so can we still get a direct deposit straight from Boleyn? It’s an option as a payment method, I forget what they said regarding that option. That it takes longer to receive your money?

gorgeousbbw
09-26-2022, 04:00 PM
Wait so can we still get a direct deposit straight from Boleyn? It’s an option as a payment method, I forget what they said regarding that option. That it takes longer to receive your money? No, direct deposit was through Veem now too.

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2022, 04:06 PM
Does anyone know if American models can sign up for paxum or cosmopay? Or does this mean BM has no way to pay any of the models? I'm not sure if Vroom was their bank or just one of the payment processors available to us.

They can, but the conditions aren't very favorable.

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After putting in payments by hand for a solid 5 hours today, VM decided to close the account rather than actually process them.

Coincidentally, we were about to fire them as the bank solution was to come online tomorrow...and at the same time as I received notice of Veem screwing up, the bank called and wanted to do a deep dive on compliance because of the way Veem had been billing our account. We ran straight to the bank to figure it out, and we'll have their decision tomorrow morning. Veem was supposed to be a temporary stop-gap measure, and they may have inadvertently screwed plan B.

It wasn't a good day for anyone concerned here.

We have 2 other solutions in the pipeline. Bitsafe is done, it just needs funds to transfer in. It's not a great solution for US models, but it can work as they have an ACH option we can use (at $5 a payment, we'd pay if it comes to that). We're also talking to another company that we've seen other adult websites use, but no ETA on that.

What I can say with certainty is that paying models is not the issue, it's about the speed of doing so. Nobody will lose money or simply not be paid. If we have to eat the cost of insanely expensive solutions, then that's what we'll do. Most of the typical "adult friendly" options don't work with the speed we need, are very inconvenient to our payees, or are way too expensive to do daily. Our business model is very niche, at least at this scale, and there's no real "off-the-shelf" solutions that do everything we need.

We are doing everything we can. We know people are going to hurt from this, and you have our apologies but also know we're fixing it as fast as possible.

Best case scenario, the bank gives a thumbs up after the grilling we got today and we can start immediately on-boarding payees into their system and everything goes back to normal. Worst case, payments become weekly (or daily with a very high minimum) until a mass payment solution is implemented. In the meantime, we'll also be directing a lot of funds to be held by Cosmo and Paxum to deal with the increased volume there for models that use it or switch to it.

Hoetales
09-26-2022, 04:06 PM
No, direct deposit was through Veem now too.

Oh so we’re just all the way fucked? Got it.

NYMami
09-26-2022, 04:10 PM
You had me until you said “The track” Not the track girl������ Ok I’m sorry lol. I came from 304 life to cam girl life too. I was a Hoe for 14 years so I totally get it but this made me crack up lol


I don’t mind humor, but I’m just saying! Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Hoetales
09-26-2022, 04:19 PM
So basically what you’re saying is, Veem wasn’t going to be an option for much longer anyway yet we were kept in the dark about everything? No mass email sent out to explain that things would be changing again? No communication whatsoever other than “veem is dead” which in my opinion was a very unprofessional way to phrase that.



They can, but the conditions aren't very favorable.

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After putting in payments by hand for a solid 5 hours today, VM decided to close the account rather than actually process them.

Coincidentally, we were about to fire them as the bank solution was to come online tomorrow...and at the same time as I received notice of Veem screwing up, the bank called and wanted to do a deep dive on compliance because of the way Veem had been billing our account. We ran straight to the bank to figure it out, and we'll have their decision tomorrow morning. Veem was supposed to be a temporary stop-gap measure, and they may have inadvertently screwed plan B.

It wasn't a good day for anyone concerned here.

We have 2 other solutions in the pipeline. Bitsafe is done, it just needs funds to transfer in. It's not a great solution for US models, but it can work as they have an ACH option we can use (at $5 a payment, we'd pay if it comes to that). We're also talking to another company that we've seen other adult websites use, but no ETA on that.

What I can say with certainty is that paying models is not the issue, it's about the speed of doing so. Nobody will lose money or simply not be paid. If we have to eat the cost of insanely expensive solutions, then that's what we'll do. Most of the typical "adult friendly" options don't work with the speed we need, are very inconvenient to our payees, or are way too expensive to do daily. Our business model is very niche, at least at this scale, and there's no real "off-the-shelf" solutions that do everything we need.

We are doing everything we can. We know people are going to hurt from this, and you have our apologies but also know we're fixing it as fast as possible.

Best case scenario, the bank gives a thumbs up after the grilling we got today and we can start immediately on-boarding payees into their system and everything goes back to normal. Worst case, payments become weekly (or daily with a very high minimum) until a mass payment solution is implemented. In the meantime, we'll also be directing a lot of funds to be held by Cosmo and Paxum to deal with the increased volume there for models that use it or switch to it.

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2022, 04:25 PM
We can't make promises until things actually work. Companies change their minds quite often.

Original plan was to keep Veem as instant payment, as that part actually worked fairly reliably. The bank ACH would have come online tomorrow (we just finished a round of compliance and a few other hoops for them to turn it on), where we'd announce that and then start on-boarding anyone that wanted to switch over. We were going to keep both solutions. This is case in point why we don't announce things before they're safely done.

Tomorrow we'll have a little more clarity on the situation, for good or bad.

freya_jade_
09-26-2022, 05:15 PM
Hi Katy, I am trying to sign up for CosmoPay and the sign up page says I need to provide my profiles on the sites I will be receiving payment from. Since we don't have model profiles on boleyn, what would we put for that?

Coolbeans
09-26-2022, 05:40 PM
Literally needed my payout to pay my power bill that was due last week �� I would of actually been caught up and most importantly not without power

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2022, 05:45 PM
Hi Katy, I am trying to sign up for CosmoPay and the sign up page says I need to provide my profiles on the sites I will be receiving payment from. Since we don't have model profiles on boleyn, what would we put for that?

You can put from any site you work with us.

freya_jade_
09-26-2022, 05:50 PM
You can put from any site you work with us.

Thanks so much Katy! Also I put in a support ticket but I will ask here too. I have heard from other models, as well as previously in this thread, that ACH payments are still an option, they just take 3 business days to go through. Is that correct, or is ACH entirely done?

NevaK
09-26-2022, 05:53 PM
You mentioned that you spent hours sending payments manually. Do you think that this came off as suspicious to the company which caused them to shut you down? It seem like everything was going ok until you decided to do things manually.....

thatgingercamgirl
09-26-2022, 06:18 PM
You mentioned that you spent hours sending payments manually. Do you think that this came off as suspicious to the company which caused them to shut you down? It seem like everything was going ok until you decided to do things manually.....

I doubt this was the issue...unfortunately things like this have been happening in this industry for many many years. Let's try to be gentle on BM, they've been some of the most stable folks that we long termers have had. I personally trust them to look out for us and find the best possible solution asap. I've learned to ride the storm out in these situations...even if I'm scared as hell about how I'm going to pay rent/bills. Something will work out

freya_jade_
09-26-2022, 06:20 PM
I doubt this was the issue...unfortunately things like this have been happening in this industry for many many years. Let's try to be gentle on BM, they've been some of the most stable folks that we long termers have had. I personally trust them to look out for us.

Agreed. As far as I am aware, they have been doing payments manually for years as well?

thatgingercamgirl
09-26-2022, 06:25 PM
Yep, so far as I'm aware they've been doing it that way since the beginning, for the most part and when needed.

redvelvette
09-26-2022, 06:43 PM
I signed up for cosmo and bitsafe. Hopefully the bank solution will come through tomorrow as planned, but now I have more options as soon as these are approved. It looks like I'll have to pay more fees than I would like, but so do all the European & English models. I'd rather pay fees and get my bills paid. Insufficient funds charges will be a lot more I'm sure.

freya_jade_
09-26-2022, 06:56 PM
I signed up for cosmo and bitsafe. Hopefully the bank solution will come through tomorrow as planned, but now I have more options as soon as these are approved. It looks like I'll have to pay more fees than I would like, but so do all the European & English models. I'd rather pay fees and get my bills paid. Insufficient funds charges will be a lot more I'm sure.

AbsoLUTEly. I also signed up for Cosmo. I dont care if it's an extra $5 fee or whatever, i would rather that than NO money at all. I am wondering how soon we will be able to set up with Boleyn though. On Boleyn's payment info page, it says to sign up with Cosmo we need a number that's listed on our Cosmo card. So will we have to wait until a physical card comes in, or do they provide some sort of virtual card with all that info upon approval? I hope someone who has signed up with them before has some insight!

Coolbeans
09-26-2022, 07:07 PM
Yes I have Bitsafe! Hopefully they can get money in there!

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2022, 07:10 PM
You mentioned that you spent hours sending payments manually. Do you think that this came off as suspicious to the company which caused them to shut you down? It seem like everything was going ok until you decided to do things manually.....

Payments by hand was done because after a few weeks of bugs with their mass upload system, they never actually fixed any of the issues. They just placated us a few times without doing anything to fix the problem. That wasn't the issue. They're just slow and couldn't cope with the volume, and the feedback (from us and models) when they took hours to process anything. We'd been using them for years for non-US models, but never more than 5-10 payments a day. The VP we talked to assured us our business was fine, just be discrete (and we did our part to enforce that), and that they could handle the volume. It turns out they couldn't. Basically we stressed them in a pretty bad way from a few different angles.

We have a full menu of other things to work towards right now, and we'll be doing this until we get something that works. Worst case scenario, we can do payments via Bitsafe to ACH as a temporary measure, we just need to wait for the money to shift there so we can get started. There are long-term solutions in the works. I know we'll likely lose a few people, but there isn't much else we can do at the moment.

redvelvette
09-26-2022, 07:35 PM
AbsoLUTEly. I also signed up for Cosmo. I dont care if it's an extra $5 fee or whatever, i would rather that than NO money at all. I am wondering how soon we will be able to set up with Boleyn though. On Boleyn's payment info page, it says to sign up with Cosmo we need a number that's listed on our Cosmo card. So will we have to wait until a physical card comes in, or do they provide some sort of virtual card with all that info upon approval? I hope someone who has signed up with them before has some insight!

I've been looking through the cosmo thread here and it all seems to be streamate. I submitted a support ticket to BM about alternative payment methods, so hopefully we'll know more tomorrow.