View Full Version : Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified preference
miss.a.p1600
12-06-2014, 01:43 PM
Ahhhh. The joys of being black :)
audrey_k
12-07-2014, 10:33 AM
I personally really like my Indian clients... yes I've had a few who were disrespectful, but no more than my Caucasian clients. They are usually more appreciative of me and the session and happier to be there, whereas white guys have more of a I'm bored attitude.
I've had very few black clients, not sure why, they just don't seem interested in me, it's always been that way even I'm working in strip clubs. The only issue I've ever had with them as I am very small down there and they tend to be large, but I've had that issue with white guys as well.
The only clients I really prefer not to see are under 25-ers. I didn't refuse them in the beginning but have had too many bad experiences with them at this point.
Sam38g
12-07-2014, 01:41 PM
For many many decades Pimps ran girls. It was their rule that their girls could not look at, smile, talk or fuck any other black man.
It was a rule set by 'black' pimps. If a girl were to look in the eye, smile, talk to another black man then her pimp owed him money. Many pimps tried to steal or talk a girl into leaving their current pimp for them. It was common to pretend to be a client & beat a girl into becoming their girl & under their protection. This carried over from the street walkers to the high class escorts. It is a part of that world's history. LOL I know some old hookers, as in 60 to 70 year old gals who used to be in the game.
It was also common for one girl to recruit another girl into working for her pimp. To take that girl on a fake appointment & the pimp be there waiting to beat the girl or romance her. Either which way it took to get her. More girls a pimp had the better standing among pimps he had. The better looking & money making the girl was also raised his standing. It was harder to recruit & train a new girl than it was to steal them from another pimp. Girls wanted to be with the best pimp, cause he had the connections to good clients, whore houses in different states.
Although, in today's world, pimps come in all races and both sexes. BE safe, screen & trust your instincts. Sex slavery is a booming business. Guys who run those rings come from all races & cultures. You have to be careful.
You can't judge a person by their race. You have to judge each person by an individual by individual term. You have to screen each client for your own protection, that has nothing to do with race, but how the speak, write & conduct themselves.
Sam
amberlly
12-07-2014, 05:44 PM
No one has to justify their preferences.
I have had a couple of great 'black' clients. They didn't go on about their skin color. They just treated me nicely from the get go.
Jay12
12-21-2014, 03:12 AM
I personally really like my Indian clients... yes I've had a few who were disrespectful, but no more than my Caucasian clients. They are usually more appreciative of me and the session and happier to be there, whereas white guys have more of a I'm bored attitude.
I actually liked Indians as escort clients as well, especially after I gained my PPD weight :-\ . Hated them as stripper clients, though. Old black men were some of my favorites overall; they never got me bored nor became nagging.
rickdugan
12-21-2014, 09:00 AM
No one has to justify their preferences.
Exactly. You could have said nothing more than "period" after this and you would have said everything required.
Over the years, I've dealt with a number of girls who have admitted to having preferences and/or avoiding certain types of customers. Now whether or not I agreed with their logic is irrelevant. They're not fast food restaurants selling hamburgers to the general public. A girl who decides to take money for sex is giving the guy access to her body and has the right to choose who gets to stick things in her orifices. She is also uniquely vulnerable while naked and alone with a guy. It doesn't matter if she is being illogical, irrational, prejudiced, racist or whatever other label you want to give it. She and she alone gets to decide who she lets inside her body and makes herself vulnerable to and she shouldn't have to justify it to anybody.
Period.
Unkle Fuzzy
12-21-2014, 03:49 PM
^^^ What he said.
XxAmber89xX
12-21-2014, 04:12 PM
harlemdude- I've been that girl that felt like I should have been the one who paid. Thanks so much for your perspective!
XxAmber89xX
12-21-2014, 04:15 PM
^^^ What he said.
where did 'he' go?
Unkle Fuzzy
12-21-2014, 04:19 PM
I was agreeing with Rick. I dunno this "Harlemdude" of whom you speak.
HamNcheese
12-22-2014, 07:53 AM
Exactly. You could have said nothing more than "period" after this and you would have said everything required.
Over the years, I've dealt with a number of girls who have admitted to having preferences and/or avoiding certain types of customers. Now whether or not I agreed with their logic is irrelevant. They're not fast food restaurants selling hamburgers to the general public. A girl who decides to take money for sex is giving the guy access to her body and has the right to choose who gets to stick things in her orifices. She is also uniquely vulnerable while naked and alone with a guy. It doesn't matter if she is being illogical, irrational, prejudiced, racist or whatever other label you want to give it. She and she alone gets to decide who she lets inside her body and makes herself vulnerable to and she shouldn't have to justify it to anybody.
Period.40038
ScarletKitten
12-22-2014, 09:44 AM
Our pussies are not a McDonald drive through, thankyouverymuch.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :worship: This is signature quote worthy! ^
Racism pisses me off, yes. But do we have the right to choose our own clients? Yes. And what simone said. It's not about race, it's about culture.
You just have to listen to your intuition in regards to what customer would be good for you or not.
tempest666
01-01-2015, 11:13 PM
I don't care what your skin color is really. I only care about the color of your money. Conduct yourself like a human being and you'll be treated like one.
justanothercamgirl
01-02-2015, 12:12 AM
As far as I can tell, I am the first man (African American) man to reply to this thread. However I have not read all of the posts because the hurt that I feel when I see it in ads is now compounded because I'm hearing the reasons. In fact the only reason I even found this site was because I Google'd the question. I will start by saying that I understand the reasons most of you are giving as to why you prefer not to have black clients. But more then "racist", more then "Bad experiences" is what's really going on is STEREOTYPING.
"Violent". "Don't pay". "Pimps in disguise". "Hard work because of the big cock". And my favorite that made me laugh...."fucking nonstop until the session time ends".
I get it. But we are not all like that. And the simple fact that I am on here commenting should speak volumes about how much I don't fall into any of these categories. (Except the big dick. Lol)
But I also want to call out those of you who say you also don't prefer Latino or middle eastern men because The sites that I have been looking at recently (since I'm due for a vacation soon) only specify NO BLACK MEN. No other race is stated. And now I may be guilty of doing a little stereotyping of my own but 95% of the women that exclude us usually have very light blonde hair, voluptuous bodies and barbie doll faces. Help me understand that one.
It's really a shame because I am educated. Handsome. Generous. Sweet. Funny. And very good in bed. I will sum it up by saying I once had an encounter with a white woman and when we were done, she enjoyed herself so much that she gave me half of my money back and said she felt like she should have paid me.
How many of you have had that type of experience with ANY man regardless of color?
For whatever it's worth, Know that it hurts just like being told 50 years ago that you can't eat in a restaurant because of the color of your skin. It hurts those of us who appreciate you and the service you provide and want to experience and pay for just as a white man would. What is the harm of not stating this is your ad and simply asking upon making a potential booking?
Ok. Now that I got that off my chest I will get back to searching for a companion for a few hours of MUTUAL enjoyment.
Be well ladies. Be safe. And be open minded.
I completely agree with you that it isn't racism and that it is stereotyping and that it isn't fair in the least. That being said, even though I am not an escort.....I can understand WHY escorts would unfairly stereotype.
As a camgirl I have no preference to my customer's race. but I also have the luxury of operating in a virtual world where my physical safety will rarely be in immediate harm. Strippers don't have the same luxury that I do, but they are in a public space so that does allow them some amount of safety when they are in the club. But escorts, they don't have the same safety net that camgirls and stripper do. Their ability to keep themselves safe is much more limited and sadly that is where the stereotyping comes in because like all sex workers they can't easily go to the police when they are a victim of violence.
So I get their position. And I get your position. And it sucks that it has to be this way since no one really wins.
Aniela
01-02-2015, 10:10 AM
JAC's post ^^^^ sums up the true problem I have w/ this thread, & the implications by the butthurt 'That's RACIST!' fussers posting here -- that providers are obligated to explain & 'justify' their 'preferences'.
Is it stereotyping? Yes. Maybe. Idk. Idk where I would draw the line on that one, bc I'll be the first to admit that I 'discriminate' among customers based on the experiences that I've had w/ certain groups of them. Yes, real-live experiences, not just pulling a 'tude out of my bum & slapping it on said group as a whole bc they looked at me funny. But as Rick & JAC stated so clearly, sex workers are in a uniquely vulnerable position in regards to their physical safety, & the recourse (rather, the lack thereof) that they have if their physical safety is endangered or outright violated. The only ppl we can guarantee to look out for us is ourselves, & if we are really lucky, others like us. Other sex workers, who understand these concerns & likewise have limited options to help each other when these concerns are validated by experience.
Further, what abt the club customers (I suppose escorts get a version of this as well) who refuse dances/company from a girl bc she is NOT white/black/Klingon/whatever? Should those customers likewise be obligated to provide a non-offensive & thorough explanation of why they themselves are not racist & simply 'have a preference'?
So to harlemdude, nubienne & all you other complainers abt providers'/dancers' individual refusals to sell to you, take your righteous offence & stuff it. Most likely, it's not personal on the part of the provider, just like it's probably not personal on your part when you yourselves reject one type of girl in favour of a different type.
miss.a.p1600
01-02-2015, 11:02 AM
I don't think anyone has to provide justification for who they prefer to be intimate with....
BUT
go through several BackPage escort profiles and you will see in the description No Black Men for example in like 30% of the ads. I never seen no whites or no Indians or no Mexicans, etc. in any escort ads
It does seem odd to me .... Given that douchebag men come in ALL races,cultures, ethnicities... Just sayin
SweetJulia
01-02-2015, 01:16 PM
I'm a current camgirl/former stripper. I've never had a black customer:
-finish in his pants
-short me
-ask for extras
-sexually assault me
-insult me
-ask invasive questions
Those were all white guys. IME, black guys may spend less money, but are better behaved and don't have the hygiene issues we all dread. Many seem more understanding in that this is a BUSINESS and are satisfied without extras.Far too many white guys in my areas are racist and expect sex workers to indulge and put up with their racist views. Not this bitch.
Kellydancer
01-02-2015, 02:52 PM
For those who say it's racism, does mean racism if people avoid areas with one race? I ask because when I did parties I never went into black areas. Black areas can be dangerous and no amount of money is worth the risks. There are nice black areas in Chicago but there are far more crime ridden sections. I sometimes got calls from the ghetto like Cabrini Green or the Robert Taylor Homes and I turned them down and never sent anyone, including black dancers. BTW, I once lived in one of these areas so my fears were real.
miss.a.p1600
01-02-2015, 03:05 PM
I don't think that's racist kellydancer that sounds more like avoiding high crime areas and this area you describe happens to have a larger population of black people.
I wonder can escorts screen out certain races/ethnicities without putting ads out that say no x races allowed?? If I was an escort and picky about race I'd just have the booker ask them during screening and ignore/decline what I don't want or there is no way to see their faces beforehand?
Kellydancer
01-02-2015, 09:58 PM
Yeah but was called racist a few times. I did dance for many black customers and the irony is they avoided those areas too.
ScarletKitten
01-13-2015, 05:36 PM
Assholes come in all colours and flavours.
HoolaTwister
01-26-2015, 10:28 AM
I don't think it's anyone's business who a provider chooses to see, it's her body. End of story.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 07:24 PM
I have read this thread and wish to add two commentaries:
1. When selecting a sex partner for personal intimacy, then hell yes, you can be however selective in who you choose, using any criteria you want including race and ethnicity. However, if engaging in sex for trade or business, you can argue that discrimination laws should apply as with any business. Most escorts I would assume are proponents for the legitimization and legalization of their profession. I'll bet when that happens, there will be civil lawsuits filed against escorts who deny service based on race as has been lodged against any other business. Landlords can't refuse a person to live on his/her own property based on race. A proctologist cannot refuse a patient ,whose rectum he will probe with his digits, based on race. I highly doubt it is moral or ethical to use race to determine with whom you choose to rub your genitals per contractual business.
rickdugan
01-27-2015, 08:08 PM
I have read this thread and wish to add two commentaries:
1. When selecting a sex partner for personal intimacy, then hell yes, you can be however selective in who you choose, using any criteria you want including race and ethnicity. However, if engaging in sex for trade or business, you can argue that discrimination laws should apply as with any business.
So just because she's an escort, she doesn't get to decide who sticks his dick into her?
Seriously now, the difference between all of those other things and escorting is that what she is selling is sex, which involves intimate access to her body. Sorry, but IMHO the right for a woman to choose who gets to put things in her trumps discrimination considerations, regardless of whether she is being payed or not. You do realize that escorts can still be raped, no? Just imagine a world where a girl who sold sex for money could not decide who she did or did not let fuck her. Were escorting to become legal, I sincerely doubt that any court in this land would rule that a woman does not have a right to choose who she has sex with.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 08:36 PM
Rick, why are we injecting rape into the equation? It only serves to sensationalize the issue without merit.
Being PAID for the sexual service is the crux of the issue. It's a business transaction. She is a professional. And if escorting were to be a legal trade she would be held to the same anti discrimation laws as any other business. I'm sure most escorts view the sex as very clinical and transactional. Imagine a paramedic refusing to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a black man or a doctor refusing to give a prostate exam to an Asian man. But an escort refusing to kiss a black man or jerk off an Asian man for financial compensation she is complicit to perform for a white client, well that's ok because she is preserving the sanctity of her precious Vulva . Lol
Kellydancer
01-27-2015, 08:38 PM
This thread has taken a bizarre turn.
Anyway, agree with Rick. Escorts should have the right to who they have sex with. Reminds me to some extent of dancing and how some dancers avoided certain ethnic groups. As far as I'm concerned they have the right to do so. When I did parties I avoided high crime areas (which were black areas though not all black areas). Going by that logic because I turned down parties in the hood I was being racist and should have been discriminated against? The judge have laughed dealing with a silly case like that.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 08:47 PM
Kelly, let's put it in this context. Would I in my right mind casually drive around a crime riddled 'hood' at 2 am for shits and giggles. Of course not. But is it illegal for a cabbie to refuse a fare to the same neighborhood with a black passenger. Yes.
That is the essence and crux of the matter.
Kellydancer
01-27-2015, 08:51 PM
Kelly, let's put it in this context. Would I in my right mind casually drive around a crime riddled 'hood' at 2 am for shits and giggles. Of course not. But is it illegal for a cabbie to refuse a fare to the same neighborhood with a black passenger. Yes.
That is the essence and crux of the matter.
Actually cabbies refuse all the time and yes it's their right because safety comes first. You obviously have no idea how dangerous the ghetto is in Chicago and no one goes there who can avoid it. Nope, there was no way I would dance in that area because my safety came first. I'd likely be robbed, perhaps raped or murdered.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Yes I know cabbies do, but it's illegal to do it :)
I'm just highlighting how people are justifying racial discrimination because escorts have to be judicious about who they let put their penis inside them.
But Then they demonize vice and moral prudes for writing laws criminalizing sex.
Well if its just impersonal, clinical sex for money changing hands then it should be color blind.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is the end of my contributions to this thread. I'm sorry if I came across as insensitive. But I still stand by my comments as logical, reasonable, and sound. :)
rickdugan
01-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Rick, why are we injecting rape into the equation? It only serves to sensationalize the issue without merit.
Being PAID for the sexual service is the crux of the issue. It's a business transaction. She is a professional. And if escorting were to be a legal trade she would be held to the same anti discrimation laws as any other business. I'm sure most escorts view the sex as very clinical and transactional. Imagine a paramedic refusing to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a black man or a doctor refusing to give a prostate exam to an Asian man. But an escort refusing to kiss a black man or jerk off an Asian man for financial compensation she is complicit to perform for a white client, well that's ok because she is preserving the sanctity of her precious Vulva . Lol
Dude, if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you? It just isn't happening, lol. The "sanctity of her precious Vulva" (as you put it) is of paramount importance to courts across the land and there is no way in Hell that some judge is going to award monetary damages to a guy because a girl did not let him stick his dick in her. If a girl doesn't like you because you are black, green, have a wondering eye, look stupid, etc., then she doesn't have to have sex with you. Period. What you are proposing is one step from inviting legalized rape and it just ain't gonna' happen. ;)
clownfish
01-27-2015, 09:05 PM
I know I promised no more posts but wanted to thank snakesandmonkey for the insight. Hehe
Learn something new everyday :)
Kellydancer
01-27-2015, 09:06 PM
Yes I know cabbies do, but it's illegal to do it :)
I'm just highlighting how people are justifying racial discrimination because escorts have to be judicious about who they let put their penis inside them.
But Then they demonize vice and moral prudes for writing laws criminalizing sex.
Well if its just impersonal, clinical sex for money changing hands then it should be color blind.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is the end of my contributions to this thread. I'm sorry if I came across as insensitive. But I still stand by my comments as logical, reasonable, and sound. :)
I'm not and have never been an escort but as a stripper I had every right who I danced for. I turned down a lot of work in shady areas (there are many suburbs that are bad too). It's not racial discrimination because I had black customers, they just lived in better areas (or were club customers).
Heid009
01-27-2015, 09:11 PM
1. When selecting a sex partner for personal intimacy, then hell yes, you can be however selective in who you choose, using any criteria you want including race and ethnicity. However, if engaging in sex for trade or business, you can argue that discrimination laws should apply as with any business. Most escorts I would assume are proponents for the legitimization and legalization of their profession. I'll bet when that happens, there will be civil lawsuits filed against escorts who deny service based on race as has been lodged against any other business. Landlords can't refuse a person to live on his/her own property based on race. A proctologist cannot refuse a patient ,whose rectum he will probe with his digits, based on race. I highly doubt it is moral or ethical to use race to determine with whom you choose to rub your genitals per contractual business.
I live in a country where prostitution is leagal, prostitutes now have the right to turn down any client for any reason, or no reason at all. Before this brothel owners (who think like clownfish) would not face repercussions for forcing girls to go through with clients they did not want to see. Now it is recognised as a form of rape. Because it is.
I am not obliged to see any person as an escort. I have autonomy over my body, thanks very much.
:P Hookers are people too :O
miss.a.p1600
01-27-2015, 09:15 PM
I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.
Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?
It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
Kellydancer
01-27-2015, 09:18 PM
I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.
Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?
It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
I'm sure it's happened but I don't remember seeing ads saying "no black guys" because that to me would be racist. If it's an individual that's different. I do remember dancers saying there were specific races they didn't cater to.
Heid009
01-27-2015, 09:21 PM
Dude,if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you? It just isn't happening, lol. The "sanctity of her precious Vulva" (as you put it) is of paramount importance to courts across the land and there is no way in Hell that some judge is going to award monetary damages to a guy because a girl did not let him stick his dick in her. If a girl doesn't like you because you are black, green, have a wondering eye, look stupid, etc., then she doesn't have to have sex with you. Period. What you are proposing is one step from inviting legalized rape and it just ain't gonna' happen. ;)
:thanx:
miss.a.p1600
01-27-2015, 09:27 PM
I'm sure it's happened but I don't remember seeing ads saying "no black guys" because that to me would be racist. If it's an individual that's different. I do remember dancers saying there were specific races they didn't cater to.
Spend about 30-40 minutes on backpage reading escort ads you'll see what I mean...I don't know if it's racist kellydancer cause I do think we have right to say no to people coming into our intimate space (even if it's certain racial groups being singled out) but it's definitely tactless and tacky to go around advertising a dislike for certain races.
Aurora_Sunset
01-27-2015, 09:36 PM
Dude, if a woman has sex against her will, it is rape. The courts have consistently maintained that "no means no" regardless of whether she is an escort. How is physical coercion any different than threatening a lawsuit if she doesn't fuck you?
Precisely. Regardless of how "clinical" the sex is to an escort, it's still about what she's comfortable allowing to happen TO her body in a sexual context. Arguing that an escort would have to have sex with a client she doesn't want to because she's "contractually obligated under the law" would be like saying that escorts give up all rights to have any sort of boundaries. So, what? If escorting was legal, and I was now "legally under contract" when seeing a client, I would have to do anything and everything he requested because sex is now just a "clinical list" of things I'm obligated to do because of my professional title? Uh... no.
There is a big difference that exists, even in a legal context, when the product is a person's body and intimacy. Comparing the luxury service of an escort and the things we may or may not choose to do for whoever to paramedics being required to perform life-saving procedures on anyone in need because they've sworn to it in that job is just laughable. As has already been stated, strippers turn down dancing for certain races all the time and stripping is legal. I've never heard of anyone suing over it. I'm sure there are porn stars who refuse to get on camera with black men, and porn is legal, so that's apparently their right. Camming is legal and I know there are many camgirls who block entire countries because they don't want customers of certain ethnicity. Regardless of legality, being forced to get sexual with anyone you don't want to have sex with, no matter your reason, is rape. Plain and simple. That would not change, and even acting like it should otherwise we "want to have our cake and eat it too" - as though the idea of wanting the right to exchange sex between consenting adults without fear while *gasp* maintaining our bodily autonomy is just "ridiculous" - is, frankly, disgusting.
However you feel about the issue of escorts refusing to see whatever race, being required to have sex with whoever, whenever, even if it became legal, would just not happen.
Aurora_Sunset
01-27-2015, 09:44 PM
If you seriously think that just because escorts view the sex part of their job as mostly just a physical act, or "clinical," that we cease to have any boundaries or potential powerful and/or negative feelings that could crop up because of it, especially if we end up in a situation that makes us personally uncomfortable.... you are clueless and crass.
cherryblossomsinspring
01-27-2015, 09:44 PM
Rick, why are we injecting rape into the equation? It only serves to sensationalize the issue without merit.
Being PAID for the sexual service is the crux of the issue. It's a business transaction. She is a professional. And if escorting were to be a legal trade she would be held to the same anti discrimation laws as any other business. I'm sure most escorts view the sex as very clinical and transactional. Imagine a paramedic refusing to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a black man or a doctor refusing to give a prostate exam to an Asian man. But an escort refusing to kiss a black man or jerk off an Asian man for financial compensation she is complicit to perform for a white client, well that's ok because she is preserving the sanctity of her precious Vulva . Lol
Still doesn't even compare. What if we went by your discrimination policies and also included dick size into the equation. What if anyone over the average 4.5 inch cock and 15 min erection period was then required to pay a surcharge for having their dick hard longer. I mean they do charge morbidly obese customers double the plane fair if they're spilling over into another seat right? How about you get several surcharges, up charges and also have to pay double the base rate? I mean wear and tear on a product could put it out of use for some time and well we wouldn't want that now would we? So perhaps a cash deposit, wear and tear, surcharge, double the rate, uncircumsized surcharge, curved cock surcharge and lets see how this brave new world is when you can't even afford to fuck women that actually are more than happy to fuck you.
See my point?
STD/STIs would be another thing. Every client would be required to get an STI/STD panel (kept on file and updated after each new partner).Depending on what shows up he would then be required to only see escorts that have the exact strains of whatever was flowing through his system. If he wanted to be open to seeing any escort he wanted he would have to pay 5x the hourly rate to see any escort if it wasn't a life threatening disease. If it was life threatening well it would be 20X the going rate + protection+ any shots and she would still have the option to refuse services.
Brave New World!
Heid009
01-27-2015, 09:45 PM
I think people in the sex industry should have a right to service or entertain who they want but I think when they start advertising the races they don't want (usually blacks) then that's going overboard in my opinion.
Like can they just ignore calls from the races they don't like? Is it really necessary to post ads saying no black men allowed?
It's certain races of customers I avoid in the club but I don't go around advertising it I just ignore them on the main floor.
I totally get your point. In a brothel setting where clients and working girls speak first it's really easy to take this approach. IME girls (myself included) avoid someone they don't want to see or respectfully decline to go through with them without specifying why.
But it's not so simple when you make those bookings over the phone or by email. Personally I see any race - but it seems like the girls who don't want to see certain races are just saving time all round by advertising that fact...... Surely it's better to be upfront, rather than waste someone's time and possibly $$ by waiting till the last moment to make that choice?
Kellydancer
01-27-2015, 09:46 PM
Spend about 30-40 minutes on backpage reading escort ads you'll see what I mean...I don't know if it's racist kellydancer cause I do think we have right to say no to people coming into our intimate space (even if it's certain racial groups being singled out) but it's definitely tactless and tacky to go around advertising a dislike for certain races.
Yeah I am mixed on that. I believe people have the right to refuse anyone but being blunt just seems cruel. When I advertised I never said I didn't go into bad areas but when they called I made excuses.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 09:49 PM
I'm popping back in to clarify that our existing laws do not give a carte blanche to every man on earth access to any escort on earth.
The issue is 'on the basis of race'. I want to emphasize this, as it is the topic of this thread.
Aurora,
Are you telling me that if you have a 'no black clients' policy and a fair complexioned black man , passably Caucasian, was serviced by you, and then later when he takes out his wallet to pay and you notice his stated race on his drivers license, you would feel such utter revulsion you liken it to a claim of rape?
That is arguable racist.
Aurora_Sunset
01-27-2015, 09:55 PM
I'm popping back in to clarify that our existing laws do not give a carte blanche to every man on earth access to any escort on earth.
The issue is 'on the basis of race'. I want to emphasize this, as it is the topic of this thread.
Aurora,
Are you telling me that if you have a 'no black clients' policy and a fair complexioned black man , passably Caucasian, was serviced by you, and then later when he takes out his wallet to pay and you notice his stated race on his drivers license, you would feel such utter revulsion you liken it to a claim of rape?
That is arguable racist.
This is just.... a weird example that would never happen....
I don't think most escorts who refuse certain races do so because they are just flat-out racist against black people, and would be repulsed by having sex with a black person. They do so because they've associated certain undesirable experiences with a certain race. If you've already seen someone and consented to having sex with them, why would you wig out if you found out they were a different race than you thought? Again, escorts, and other sex workers don't avoid certain races due to "revulsion," - they do it due to generalized experiences. In this weird, other world scenario you've posed, no, no sane person would liken this to rape, because you obviously already consented to having sex with the person.
But that's not what you were talking about this entire time. You were talking about being forced, from the very beginning, from the moment an escort makes the decision of "yes" or "no," that she would have to say yes. That's completely different from this ridiculous scenario you've attempted to twist my words into.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 10:07 PM
I used that absurd hypothetical to illustrate the absurdity of using race as a criteria for determining your client roster. If every factor is identical between to clients, socio economic status, mental health, social disposition, heck, even the clothing and dietary habits, save for the fact one is black and the other is white, then I would have to say it is racist to deny service to the black client.
and as far as my characterization of 'clinical' sex, I was merely highlighting how transactional and impersonal the service might be. To parse the sex into the sort that would not cross personal comfort boundaries, i.e. vanilla missionary. Kind of like the characterization in the sex trade of clients as walking ATMs? Lol
Aurora_Sunset
01-27-2015, 10:13 PM
I'm not even sure where you're argument is going at this point. No one was arguing the "absurdity" of it or that it wasn't stupid to use it as criteria. Whether you consider it racist or not, the point was that, even if it was a legal service, no, the same "discrimination" laws would not apply when you're talking about requiring someone to have sex with people she doesn't want, for whatever her reason may be.
And yeah, the sex might be, most of the time, just transactional and impersonal.... but not 100% every single time no matter who the client is. If you're not comfortable with someone, again whatever your reason is, then being "contractually obligated" to say "yes" to sex with them would cease to be an impersonal experience, and yeah, would fall under the definition of rape.
Whatever. I've said my piece. Now, you're just making circles and being deliberately obtuse, making me repeat myself as though you don't get it.
I should just go accept my fate as a ho who either has no right to use my body as I please without fear of puritanical repercussions, or think that I should be forced to have sex with anyone, even if I don't want to, if I want to have a "legal" title. How silly of me to even argue otherwise.
ETA: I don't have any "race regulations" for my clients - or really any specific regulations other than that they're respectful when they contact me. And I do think they're absurd, and that's it's crude to put it in ads. But my point remains.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 10:26 PM
If prostitution becomes legalized (which I think ought to) I guess the distinction between a Professional and a 'girl who will just lower her standards just a lil bit to pay the bills' might just very well be how well her coping mechanisms will be toward aforementioned 'comfort' with clients of differing creed, religion, or color.
Aurora_Sunset
01-27-2015, 10:29 PM
Again... thinking that being a professional sex worker means that you are able to ignore literally every criteria you might otherwise have for a sex partner and just turn into a sex robot who goes through the motions with anyone and everyone who has the cash.... clueless and crass.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 10:48 PM
Actually, having had this simmering in my head, I have to change my position.
It was a bit of a revelation. I thought my train of logic made so much sense but then, in an epiphany, I realized what you all have been saying makes more sense.
Consensual sex laws should triumph over anti discrimination laws. Yes, yes, yes... I see that now.
Eh, guess I was trying to be too clever lol.
SORRY!
clownfish
01-27-2015, 10:57 PM
Also I just found this op ed piece.
It kind of balances the perspective on the issue for me.
Thought id share it since it brings compelling insight to OP's thread.