View Full Version : Why dont many escorts like seeing black/asian men?Pure racism or justified preference
Heid009
01-27-2015, 11:22 PM
The article seems like common sense. Perhaps best to do your reading and thinking before opening your mouth on topics that you clearly have no real world experience in Clownfish.
clownfish
01-27-2015, 11:36 PM
I don't think the issue is as clear cut to many. Granted, I've no experience as an escort but appreciate the fact that the OP is a dancer and the issue was muddy for her as well.
I'm glad I broadened my perspective on this forum though. I don't regret having engaged in this discussion.
Heid009
01-28-2015, 12:10 AM
^OP is a camgirl. The issue of what would motivate an escort to not see certain races was muddy for her. Not the same thing as wether an escort is in fact a human being who has the right to autonomy over her body- which was the muddy issue for you.
As I see it those are two different issues.
clownfish
01-28-2015, 12:36 AM
The muddying issue for Op was the plausibility of racism for excluding blacks and Asians.
The muddying issue for me was coupling the ethicality of it with legality.
Further misunderstanding arose from my 'consumer advocacy' and anti discrimination perspective, thinking if escorting should ever be legitimate, it would be subject to conventional business practices.
However Rick Dugan, followed by aurora, injected rape to the dialogue which at first dumbfounded me, but ultimately let me realize that consensual sex laws are more fundamental than anti discrimination laws.
That basically summarizes the evolution of my opinions.
I'm not sure why you are trying to pick at scabs heid009.
amberlly
01-28-2015, 03:25 AM
CONTEXT:
- Trend was noticed on backage. A low end, low priced escort directory in America. It has a reputation for being generally unsafe and attracting low end clients.
Prostitution is illegal in America and there is no recourse if something goes wrong.
Sam38g mentioned pimp culture and the idea that black men who were pimps didn't allow other black men to see their girls
These escorts have a high volume of clients, less time for screening and more likely to have a shorter appointment. No security or driver like in higher end escorts or brothels.
Has anyone noticed this trend any where else? Like more high end directories? Other countries?
Non racist reasons I know girls won't see a specific race:
- They don't see anyone of the same nationality as them. Reduces risk of being seen by someone they know or in their community at large. Fears of cultural harassment/ retribution.
- Their partner or close friends are that race. Again - protecting anonymity.
Heid009
01-28-2015, 03:28 AM
^Let's be honest, it took you 22 minutes max to flip from your "consumer advocacy" (dress it up any way you want, but it just sounded like a sense of male entitlement.) To oh yes consensual sex is important, I see that now.
In short You seem like your trolling.
Heid009
01-28-2015, 03:31 AM
Sorry amberly. That was meant as response to clownfish. I should have quoted.
amberlly
01-28-2015, 03:50 AM
@Clownfish -
Another thing to consider is that the majority of clients in first world countries are looking to purchase time with willingly and responsive partner.
That means escorts who are there by choice and feel safe. The flipside is that groups of people/individuals can be excluded from services by any escort for any reason.
Contrasted against third world country prostitutes. They cannot refuse anyone. They are quite often drugged. The drugs let them work longer, stay tranquilized and easy to control.
Heid009
01-28-2015, 03:51 AM
CONTEXT:
- Trend was noticed on backage. A low end, low priced escort directory in America. It has a reputation for being generally unsafe and attracting low end clients.
Prostitution is illegal in America and there is no recourse if something goes wrong.
Sam38g mentioned pimp culture and the idea that black men who were pimps didn't allow other black men to see their girls
These escorts have a high volume of clients, less time for screening and more likely to have a shorter appointment. No security or driver like in higher end escorts or brothels.
Has anyone noticed this trend any where else? Like more high end directories? Other countries?
Non racist reasons I know girls won't see a specific race:
- They don't see anyone of the same nationality as them. Reduces risk of being seen by someone they know or in their community at large. Fears of cultural harassment/ retribution.
- Their partner or close friends are that race. Again - protecting anonymity.
-The site mentioned by OP originally was Adultwork. It's mostly for UK girls, but has listings worldwide. It has a mixture of low to high charging girls. Like OP I did notice how many UK girls explicitly stated 'no blacks'......I had been curious about that for a while.
-And yup I have avoided minority's which those close to me are part of, it's pretty common IME for girls to need to do this.
audrey_k
01-28-2015, 07:50 AM
Yes I know cabbies do, but it's illegal to do it :)
I'm just highlighting how people are justifying racial discrimination because escorts have to be judicious about who they let put their penis inside them.
But Then they demonize vice and moral prudes for writing laws criminalizing sex.
Well if its just impersonal, clinical sex for money changing hands then it should be color blind.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
This is the end of my contributions to this thread. I'm sorry if I came across as insensitive. But I still stand by my comments as logical, reasonable, and sound. :)
Ir's actually not illegal. Ever seen the sign "we reserve the right to refuse service" outside a restaraunt? Well I can put one outside my vagina as well if I chose to.
Your comments are ridiculous. I'm sorry if some girl denied you for the color of your skin, that sucks, but it doesn't give you the right to tell me as an escort I can't turn down guys for x reason. I have turned down guys for many random reasons. They didn't use correct punctuation or capitalize. They had a bad attitude. They didn't read my profile clearly enough before contacting me. They didn't use my name in their initial email. I just didn't like them. You can't force me to have sex with someone who I do not want to. Do you know who does that? Pimps. Sex traffickers. Rapists. You want to be in that category?
Honestly if you had tried to book me I probably would have shot you down and it would have nothing to do with your skin. Reading your response makes me think "yep, this is why I quit escorting and can't ever go back."
miss.a.p1600
01-28-2015, 08:45 AM
Well this same topic came up a couple years ago
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?175507-Is-this-racism-or-an-escorts-preference-or-just-place-exercising-choice
Pretty much similar stuff we're discussing here now.
DonaDiabla
01-28-2015, 03:26 PM
Clownfish,
Your examples are quite strange to say the least.One can tell you are not an sex worker.Actually, this thread starts off as an honest talk about not seeing certain groups of men. Every sex worker has different reason why they do not want to see certain groups of men.Even though, I have never been an escort...I gave my experience on different types of sex work. For example, I tried to avoid Eastern Europeans and Brazilians as virtual escort on Second Life due them burning me or wasting my time in the past. Meanwhile, I try to avoid Black,Italian and Latin men as company pso because they will give me the most complaints and chargebacks. However, if I was sugar baby...I would not turn down Black or Latin men because I always had great luck hustling them in person and we have the best time. Every sex worker's experience is unique. Somethings are not as white or black when it comes to sex work. Escorts and other sex workers decide who they see or do not see. Now, yes it quite tacky for someone to place"No black men" ads but I have seen escorts do that to other races on a lower scale. There was one backpage ad where this escort stated that she did not want to see any Indians,Men under 35 ,Blacks, or Latin guys. It is her choice. Now, 30 percent of those escorts on backpage do not want to see black men. However, instead of focusing on ladies who will not see black men there are tons of women who will see black men :)
I'm popping back in to clarify that our existing laws do not give a carte blanche to every man on earth access to any escort on earth.
The issue is 'on the basis of race'. I want to emphasize this, as it is the topic of this thread.
Aurora,
Are you telling me that if you have a 'no black clients' policy and a fair complexioned black man , passably Caucasian, was serviced by you, and then later when he takes out his wallet to pay and you notice his stated race on his drivers license, you would feel such utter revulsion you liken it to a claim of rape?
That is arguable racist.
kaninchen
01-28-2015, 03:42 PM
Ir's actually not illegal. Ever seen the sign "we reserve the right to refuse service" outside a restaraunt? Well I can put one outside my vagina as well if I chose to.
Actually, businesses can't refuse service on the basis of race, that is in violation of the Federal Civil Rights Act.
That said, the law only applies to goods and services available to the general public, which the bodies of sex workers are emphatically not, and prostitution is already illegal anyway. I'm just loling at the idea of anyone trying to make the preferences of escorts into some type of civil rights issue. Seriously? It's ludicrous to try to compare a restaurant or movie theater to a woman's body. I can't roll my eyes hard enough.
kaninchen
01-28-2015, 04:32 PM
Actually, having had this simmering in my head, I have to change my position.
It was a bit of a revelation. I thought my train of logic made so much sense but then, in an epiphany, I realized what you all have been saying makes more sense.
Consensual sex laws should triumph over anti discrimination laws. Yes, yes, yes... I see that now.
Eh, guess I was trying to be too clever lol.
SORRY!
It's great that you changed your mind, but it's still disturbing that you were ever able to lose sight of the fact that sex workers are human beings with the fundamental right to bodily autonomy. And it's not a question of which laws trump which -- legislation against sexual assault ("consensual sex laws") remains superficial in relation to the issue of basic human rights, because human rights are the foundation upon which every legal code is built. Your disregard for that is why people in this thread are rightly jumping down your throat.
Aniela
01-28-2015, 06:52 PM
^^^^ shewolf all this 'race origins' stuff is REALLY beside the point of this thread. I was thinking earlier while reading thru the last page or so that it would be better to let this subj have its own separate discussion.
Kellydancer
01-28-2015, 08:12 PM
Not sure what her points really have to do with this thread. Here's a twist to this topic and going by the logic Clownfish makes this makes no one able to discriminate. Say an escort is straight where she wants nothing to do with women. A lesbian calls her and because she is not gay she turns down. The lesbian then sues for discrimination. That to me is the same as denying others races or whatever it deals with personal choice. Even where prostitution is legal like parts of Nevada I believe the escort has the right to refuse.
sessik86
02-17-2015, 01:04 PM
I rarely dance for black guys. I do but not often. Usually, I find black guys time wasters at my club. The only reason I'm commenting on this is because I just went to work a few months ago at a not so great club and I told one of my customers that I don't dance for black guys. He told one of the girls that i don't even know because it was my second shift. Her and her friend (both white) tried fighting me in the locker room. The bouncer had to hold them back and call the cops because they were waiting for me to come outside the club.
WendiStarr
02-17-2015, 02:02 PM
I think it depends on preference. I will not see black men due to negative past experiences. I had a black male client who expected me to deep throat him and he had a massive penis. I had a different black male client in his mid 30s who was very rough with me, choking, and made me have anal sex even though anal is not something that I do and I am not into anything rough at all. As far as Asian men go I have only had one Asian client and he kept wanting to french kiss a lot. I don't like french kissing or kissing at all, for that matter.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-18-2015, 11:26 AM
That's your prerogative, but you should have been more discreet. There is no reason to announce on your website, ad or club that you don't take clients of a certain race. That's just silly. And in many ways makes you a target for people wanting to take their aggression out on someone. Those girls wanted to fight you regardless of what that customer said. You just gave them a reason. No one should be hitting you but you have to kinda keep your head down in the adult business.
As for escorts who put No Black clients in their ads...again that's just silly. You are asking for trouble and could be putting yourself at a greater risk. See whomever you feel comfortable with but don't invite a woman hater to come after you. Also if a provider has preference then it's best that she sticks to that preference. That is okay. But be tactful about it. The client is spending his hard earned money on the experience. It's not fair to them if the girl that shows up cringes every time he reaches for her. He may feel bad on the phone or email because he was rejected. But if it's face to face he's gonna get pissed. Maybe this is why some of you have had so many bad experiences? You showed your fear and distaste for him and he decided to treat you like a ho instead of an escort? I'm sure it's not always the case but definitely something to think about.
I rarely dance for black guys. I do but not often. Usually, I find black guys time wasters at my club. The only reason I'm commenting on this is because I just went to work a few months ago at a not so great club and I told one of my customers that I don't dance for black guys. He told one of the girls that i don't even know because it was my second shift. Her and her friend (both white) tried fighting me in the locker room. The bouncer had to hold them back and call the cops because they were waiting for me to come outside the club.
Exxotica
02-18-2015, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE=harlemdude;2702492]As far as I can tell, I am the first man (African American) man to reply to this thread. However I have not read all of the posts because the hurt that I feel when I see it in ads is now compounded because I'm hearing the reasons. In fact the only reason I even found this site was because I Google'd the question. I will start by saying that I understand the reasons most of you are giving as to why you prefer not to have black clients. But more then "racist", more then "Bad experiences" is what's really going on is STEREOTYPING.
"Violent". "Don't pay". "Pimps in disguise". "Hard work because of the big cock". And my favorite that made me laugh...."fucking nonstop until the session time ends".
I get it. But we are not all like that. And the simple fact that I am on here commenting should speak volumes about how much I don't fall into any of these categories. (Except the big dick. Lol)
But I also want to call out those of you who say you also don't prefer Latino or middle eastern men because The sites that I have been looking at recently (since I'm due for a vacation soon) only specify NO BLACK MEN. No other race is stated. And now I may be guilty of doing a little stereotyping of my own but 95% of the women that exclude us usually have very light blonde hair, voluptuous bodies and barbie doll faces. Help me understand that one.
It's really a shame because I am educated. Handsome. Generous. Sweet. Funny. And very good in bed. I will sum it up by saying I once had an encounter with a white woman and when we were done, she enjoyed herself so much that she gave me half of my money back and said she felt like she should have paid me.
How many of you have had that type of experience with ANY man regardless of color?
For whatever it's worth, Know that it hurts just like being told 50 years ago that you can't eat in a restaurant because of the color of your skin. It hurts those of us who appreciate you and the service you provide and want to experience and pay for just as a white man would. What is the harm of not stating this is your ad and simply asking upon making a potential booking?
Ok. Now that I got that off my chest I will get back to searching for a companion for a few hours of MUTUAL enjoyment.
Be well ladies. Be safe. [/]
Whatever bruh. Face it, most of y'all cheap, and always trying to run some game and you know it
On a predominately black female website the comments about this topic were about the same. If I can post the link I will
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EastCoastDancer01
02-18-2015, 05:17 PM
I'm not an escort but I know girls who are and they say its just preferential. They are not attracted to men outside of their own race (white) and they cannot fake it like they can with white men. Its one thing when all you have to do is dance for them, but when you are having sex, its harder so you have to be more choosey.
Nikki_Fox
02-19-2015, 10:14 AM
This thread is 2 years old and I have been the mod for about 2 weeks - I have not read the thread in its entireity but I have read enough to know it was off topic from the OP legitimate question. What is construed as racism is subjective to an individuals ideas and experiences in some cases. This thread and the other linked thread provides enough information on this subject so I see no reason to keep this thread open.