View Full Version : How much does looks play into success. not for the insecure
Angeliqua
12-17-2013, 12:06 PM
My MFC profile pic is hideous lol! Back to the pretty face thing, I am a BBW and I have a very pretty face but I am always told I look "too young" or "too innocent" for this line of work, by some of the custies at that! So, I put on way too much makeup for my MFC profile pic and think it is scaring them away!!! Time for a change I think...
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 12:18 PM
Why do you girls have to hate on her? It's so ugly.
Where in my post am I hating on her? Saying that you don't find someone attractive physically doesn't mean or state that you are hating on them. Lots of people don't find me attractive. I'm a BBW with huge tits, big lips, a big ass, a big belly, and a big head. So. What? If someone came here and described me as unattractive, but said that I bank because I have huge tits, I'd agree with them because it's true. My tits (which is my main niche) is the reason I bank. I'm also black, (another niche) I'm a BBW (another niche). Get me?
I don't find Johnny Depp attractive but he's an extraordinary actor and entertainer and I love his work. I admitted that she banks because of her niche, though she's not conventionally what I would call beautiful. Several ladies have already stated that most men find blonde hair, more conventionally beautiful. Though my customer base is 98% Caucasian, a lot of men don't find fat black girls, attractive. This doesn't hurt my sales. I'm all for girls banking, attractive or not, I'm a camgirl cheerleader and I love it when women bank no matter how they do it.
I notice whenever I write something that you don't agree with, you're always swinging on my pussy lips. I remember you personally emailing me for help when I first got on this site and I did just that. I helped you. Was I a hater then? Please cease and desist from starting unnecessary drama and stop making me out to be this ugly, hater because that, I am not. I said nothing ugly about anyone. Please have several seats.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 12:35 PM
so does kourtney's...i knew exactly who she was talking about when she wrote that. i find it funny because these are 2 girls that have in the past complained about not making money---but then they hate on a top earner. maybe they can learn something from someone who is so "unattractive".
I've NEVER complained on this or any site about not making money. I make money, trust me on that. I split and do so many things it's impossible for me to NOT make money. If I didn't I wouldn't be on page one, or in the top spot (mainly the 1st person) in my categories when I log on. Please get over yourself and get your facts straight. Yes, I've argued that there are "slow" times because SEVERAL cammodels weren't making enough and for me to ignore that fact isn't right. If someone is saying "Kortney, I'm not making much, can you help me?" who am I to say that they're liars.
You will never see not one post where I complain about "not" making any money, or posting in "camming sucks". I have mentioned that one or two sites are slower, but I work so many sites I still come off on top. Get me? I do remember you messaging me here looking for help on how to get into phone sex. In fact, I have several messages from you, including you yahoo messenger in which I GLADLY helped you get into the business or did you forget that? Please stop being fake, and trying to push something on me just because I mentioned I didn't find someone attractive. Are you serious? You don't have to agree with me, there are people you may find attractive, that I don't but we ALL know the reason why she banks is because she's a niche and that is okay. I'm a niche too. So what? You're so close to me you can probably count the hairs on my pussy lips, please, step back.
Let me make it clear this time so people understand.
I know of one "top model" who banks with her goldshows. I don't find her attractive at all in the face or body. However, she has a huge (pun intended) following for the foreign and large objects she inserts into various holes. So yes, you either bank with beauty, or bank with a niche. I quoted "top model" because everyone has their own opinions of who they consider top. I consider her a top model because when I do see her on, she's in the 1st row. I stated that I do not find her physically attractive because I don't and I don't have to explain myself on that. I never said, she isn't attractive, I said I personally don't find her attractive. I noted that she "banks" which is true and I'm happy for her. I would hope that she's well compensated for doing what she does, just like I do. I like to poke fun at facts as I consider myself to have a great sense of humor. It's true, she does have a huge following, and inserts large things into her body. Why is the truth so offensive to you? And yes, the truth is, you can bank with beauty, or with a niche. Can someone please point out what I said wrong here? I didn't know my opinions on beauty, and my sense of humor were all that important to you and I'm quite flattered.
hate
hāt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: hating
1.
feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone).
"the boys hate each other"
synonyms: loathe, detest, despise, dislike, abhor, execrate; More
I do not hate, or hate on, anyone. I do not have an intense or passionate dislike for anyone. I don't have the heart, energy, or time for it and it is not in my nature on or off cam. Do you realize how much energy it takes to hate or hate on someone? I'd rather make money, honey. Just because you and your other minions took my comment out of content, doesn't make me at fault. I have nothing but love and respect for my fellow cammodels. I'm always encouraging, always helping, and always supporting because it's what we as women should do. I'm also brutally honest, and I see some of you cannot handle that. That's not my problem. The model in which I spoke DOES bank because she's different, she's a niche and she does it very well. Is that not the truth? It's the reason she has tons of guys in her GS because she does what she does, let's not try and sugarcoat that just because you took my own opinion out of context.
I find it ironic that you of all people, someone who confided in me for help so they could make extra coins, has now tried and turned the tables as if I'm some broke bitch looking for handout in camming connection. My opinion of her looks is my own and should have no bearing on you. If you don't agree, that's not my problem but the fact is, as we all know it, she banks because she's a niche which is what I said. Get over it.
And for the record, Snowy and I are talking about two different models. My opinion is my opinion so I don't see what the big deal is. We are talking about how much looks play into success and this is NOT for the insecure. I'm smelling a LOT of insecurity here.
Let me tell you something, Chloe. Though I'm open to learning, I know how to sell my niche. What she does in her room, isn't going to teach me anything because I do not do large insertions, k? I can call anyone I want unattractive, don't get your panties all twisted and in a bunch over someone else's opinion. You need a thick skin in this industry, and the last time I checked, you were up on my ass, in my inbox, and in my yahoo messenger, trying to learn from me. Let's not go there please.
CourtneyRaine
12-17-2013, 01:16 PM
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Aaaaaand adding something helpful to this thread: I make a big % of my income on MGF, and on that site the guys can set up a profile and statuses to advertise what they are looking for. There are three guys in particular who are each pretty active on the site; I usually see them on the first page, and their statuses generally don't change. Here's what they write:
1. I need big natural boobs right now
2. Looking for big FAKE tits
3. Only small tits need apply
I only bring this up to illustrate that, clearly, different types of breasts can be considered the "most beautiful" depending on who you ask. I think the same cane be said for body type, facial features, hair color, etc. The "small tits only" guy would think I'm nasty with my sagging DDs, whereas the big natural boobs guy would jump all over me. This whole "beauty" thing... man... I can't even.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 01:19 PM
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Aaaaaand adding something helpful to this thread: I make a big % of my income on MGF, and on that site the guys can set up a profile and statuses to advertise what they are looking for. There are three guys in particular who are each pretty active on the site; I usually see them on the first page, and their statuses generally don't change. Here's what they write:
1. I need big natural boobs right now
2. Looking for big FAKE tits
3. Only small tits need apply
I only bring this up to illustrate that, clearly, different types of breasts can be considered the "most beautiful" depending on who you ask. I think the same cane be said for body type, facial features, hair color, etc. The "small tits only" guy would think I'm nasty with my sagging DDs, whereas the big natural boobs guy would jump all over me. This whole "beauty" thing... man... I can't even.
Hey CR, I noticed you mentioned that you didn't read the whole forum. I'm responding to something that someone accused me of doing, which is hating, based off of a comment I said earlier. Just wanted to catch you up ;) Apparently if you don't find ANYONE attractive, you're a hater. I guess we're all haters then, SMH.
meganxoxo
12-17-2013, 01:40 PM
okay so the past few nights ive been just checking out other girls. i agree that of course you need personality to do anything in this business. but i guess im in the minority here, but the big time earners i was seeing the girls looked like models. and im not saying milfs or bbw's cant make great money because obviously we have a few on this thread that show they can. so like Sam youre a bigger girl but you are still drop dead gorgeous. and of course all girls need to take their time and put on their make up. i spend close to a hour getting ready before i cam
Incantatious
12-17-2013, 01:41 PM
Oh man I hope this thread doesn't get locked. It's a fascinating discussion, but ultimately it is a pie of which we can ALL take a nice healthy chunk from, being as we're all different ladies, with different bodies, different boobies, different hair colours, different niches, different on-cam personas, characters, toy types, toy sizes, etc, etc!
And yes, we all make money how we see fit, we all have our clients, our fanbases, and we all have our good and bad work nights, let's not forget that.
I remember seeing the lady in question taking the piss out of other models on cam... I thought it was dreadful, unprofessional, catty, and under-hand. But since then, I've come to appreciate that her hustle makes significant bank, and there's a reason she behaves the way she does! I'm not afraid to say she sure as hell makes more money than I do, and I respect the work she puts in to get her there. I may not think she's great if she puts others down, but in honesty, I believe that her hustle (aside from model put-downs), her showmanship, her skills, her incredible feats of toy insertion - are what pull her in that money. She knows her shit, and she knows what she wants, and she goes right in and gets it. I respect that about her.
We don't all have to love every model, but we don't have to be catty biznitches ourselves, either. If there's a model whose hustle we don't like, we can just leave it, and concentrate our energies on taking inspiration from the models we do like!
Oh and as a side-note, there are SM models I admire so much I freaking want framed pictures of them on my wall as inspiration, I'm pretty sure that will help give me boosts when I'm feeling burned out! XD Negativity only breeds more negativity.
SarahTime
12-17-2013, 01:47 PM
I don't find Johnny Depp attractive but he's an extraordinary actor and entertainer and I love his work.
GASP! I would fuck his face in a heart beat.
Carry on... :D
Camigirl
12-17-2013, 01:50 PM
Ah I see so much hate talk when I work, or peep into another room about performers. I never hate on any performer doing her thing. I never report other performers either. To say that a person is not attractive to you is only your opinion alone, or mine. It's different when you're working and a performer pops into your room and types "ugh you're an ugly bitch". I know of the performer on SM that is sorta mentioned here, she's a hoot! Now the guy off cam talking is a pain in the rear IMO. This performer to me, is very pretty when she puts on makeup and has her hair down, which I rarely see. I don't think she is attractive without makeup. I don't think I can get a ball bat up my vagina or ass! More power to her. The bed post thing is crazy...lol, Like are you going to slip and fall on it one day!
We battle enough shit from customers out there, actually too much for the work we put into cam. I think our opinions are great. We all have them, this is not hate, I never hear or read hate unless I see it typed out or hear it. We are all in the same boat here. Working cam and trying to make a buck. It would be great if we all could stick together and help one another with trust. I never see hate in this forum, never. This is why I chose to come back! Now, I may not be liked too much, but this is fine, I am not in competition with any performer, we are all different. And if a performer nets a whale and talks about it, i'm happy! means there is hope and he just may be coming my way one day!
Hate... I hate that word :). Like slut, it does not exist to me!
Cheers.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 01:57 PM
@Incantatious- I had no clue she talked crap about any models. I really hope I didn't derail the thread, I was just trying to explain myself and my comment a bit more. It wasn't intended to be nasty, it was just my opinion with a joke thrown in and I respect that model for her hustle. It's not mine, but it's still very entertaining to watch her. I remember posting her link in the chat several times and all of us girls cheering on her goal. That's not hating, that's mad respect. I just don't like it when people not only take my words out of context, but try and belittle me and point me out like I don't make any money. And to point out Snowy, for having her opinion was wrong too. Especially when she was in my inbox asking me to help HER bank. Just nonsense if you ask me. If you want to put someone else on blast, be prepared for it to happen to you. Just because Snowy may not make as much as you do, doesn't mean she doesn't have a right to her OWN opinion. SMH.
[email protected] think it's because he's the broodingly, dark handsome guy, and I don't tend to like "bad boy" types physically. I usually go for the frat boy types or the submissive types. He's a brilliant actor though, and adore watching him!
@camigirl, right on bb! We all have a right to our opinions. And I love it when girls bank. Girl power! That shit feels good to know that your fellow camgirls are doing well because to me, I feel like we're getting closer and closer to taking back this industry. As much as I love men, they should NOT be making more money than us in this industry so I love hearing when girls bank.
Incantatious
12-17-2013, 02:03 PM
@Incantatious- I had no clue she talked crap about any models. I really hope I didn't derail the thread, I was just trying to explain myself and my comment a bit more. It wasn't intended to be nasty, it was just my opinion with a joke thrown in and I respect that model for her hustle. It's not mine, but it's still very entertaining to watch her. I remember posting her link in the chat several times and all of us girls cheering on her goal. That's not hating, that's mad respect. I just don't like it when people not only take my words out of context, but try and belittle me and point me out like I don't make any money.
Oh no what I said wasn't necessarily directed towards you or anyone really. :) I basically skim-read and ended up going off one one of my cam-hippy tangent moments, lol! <3 I got crazy respect for you!
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 02:06 PM
I respect you too bb, how's that SD holding up?
Charlotteslut
12-17-2013, 02:25 PM
I hope I didn't come off as look/size bashing earlier :(
I've definitely seen girls bank that deviate from Western ideals of beauty (where most of the custies on SM/MFC seem to be from), I just think social conditioning/beauty standards are really powerful for appealing to the greatest number of customers. It doesn't mean that a girl who looks like a Victoria Secret model is objectively beautiful, but conditioning by the media etc. goes far in determining what your avg. custie thinks is "hot" But there are definitely other factors like being engaging/personable/etc that can break you.
justanothercamgirl
12-17-2013, 03:10 PM
GASP! I would fuck his face in a heart beat.
Carry on... :D
Holy shit Sarah, you just made me laugh so hard that milk came right out my nose! :D
AliceFun
12-17-2013, 03:24 PM
^^^ Can u pls 'translate' what u meant Sarah? Or anyone else? I wanna laugh too but this is one of the moments i dont get the sentence lol ;)
Thanks!
By the way i dont find him hot, not my type of a guy but he's a great actor.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 03:36 PM
Alice, she meant that she would totally let him perform oral sex on her by climbing on his face and grinding herself on his mouth because she finds him hot. ;)
AliceFun
12-17-2013, 04:13 PM
Ahhh thank you Kortney!! I was really lost and had no idea that's what she meant haha!!!
I was like: 'so what gasp means, how to fuck his face, with what? fuck his face in a bad way, in a good way, giving him a strap on dildo to suck? Why is this amusing?' Complicated mind here heheee :))
AliceFun
12-17-2013, 04:40 PM
Oh by the way, i loooove Gerard Butler, that is my type of a man, i find him soo hot & sexy OMG, i am drooling looking at his pics online.
For me face is what makes a guy hot, body comes after face, the eyes especially are very important to 'read' things, mouth too, everything about face and facial expression, there i see everything. I think guys see us the same. If they dont like our face they dont pay attention to the rest i assume?! Tho some cam girls dont show face on cam and work with body only, some guys can do with body only i guess, dont know...
JaneBurgess
12-17-2013, 04:52 PM
I dont think that was directed toward you.
What really pisses me off is that these people will talk about her like she is this great performer and that fact is she will fuck herself in free chat. That's never brought up, didn't realize that was allowed now on Streamate. Oh wait, it ISN'T. There is a blog that posts screenshots from SM and she is always on it doing shit she KNOWS isnt allowed. I have issues with any cam performer that always breaks the rules. Go to MFC or Chaturbate if you want to fuck yourself in free chat. Who wouldnt make bank if they did all the shit?
I also don't think you said anything wrong. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I guess if you state an honest opinion on here and don't kiss ass, you are a hater to some people.
I've NEVER complained on this or any site about not making money. I make money, trust me on that. I split and do so many things it's impossible for me to NOT make money. If I didn't I wouldn't be on page one, or in the top spot (mainly the 1st person) in my categories when I log on. Please get over yourself and get your facts straight. Yes, I've argued that there are "slow" times because SEVERAL cammodels weren't making enough and for me to ignore that fact isn't right. If someone is saying "Kortney, I'm not making much, can you help me?" who am I to say that they're liars.
You will never see not one post where I complain about "not" making any money, or posting in "camming sucks". I have mentioned that one or two sites are slower, but I work so many sites I still come off on top. Get me? I do remember you messaging me here looking for help on how to get into phone sex. In fact, I have several messages from you, including you yahoo messenger in which I GLADLY helped you get into the business or did you forget that? Please stop being fake, and trying to push something on me just because I mentioned I didn't find someone attractive. Are you serious? You don't have to agree with me, there are people you may find attractive, that I don't but we ALL know the reason why she banks is because she's a niche and that is okay. I'm a niche too. So what? You're so close to me you can probably count the hairs on my pussy lips, please, step back.
Let me make it clear this time so people understand. I quoted "top model" because everyone has their own opinions of who they consider top. I consider her a top model because when I do see her on, she's in the 1st row. I stated that I do not find her physically attractive because I don't and I don't have to explain myself on that. I never said, she isn't attractive, I said I personally don't find her attractive. I noted that she "banks" which is true and I'm happy for her. I would hope that she's well compensated for doing what she does, just like I do. I like to poke fun at facts as I consider myself to have a great sense of humor. It's true, she does have a huge following, and inserts large things into her body. Why is the truth so offensive to you? And yes, the truth is, you can bank with beauty, or with a niche. Can someone please point out what I said wrong here? I didn't know my opinions on beauty, and my sense of humor were all that important to you and I'm quite flattered.
hate
hāt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: hating
1.
feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone).
"the boys hate each other"
synonyms: loathe, detest, despise, dislike, abhor, execrate; More
I do not hate, or hate on, anyone. I do not have an intense or passionate dislike for anyone. I don't have the heart, energy, or time for it and it is not in my nature on or off cam. Do you realize how much energy it takes to hate or hate on someone? I'd rather make money, honey. Just because you and your other minions took my comment out of content, doesn't make me at fault. I have nothing but love and respect for my fellow cammodels. I'm always encouraging, always helping, and always supporting because it's what we as women should do. I'm also brutally honest, and I see some of you cannot handle that. That's not my problem. The model in which I spoke DOES bank because she's different, she's a niche and she does it very well. Is that not the truth? It's the reason she has tons of guys in her GS because she does what she does, let's not try and sugarcoat that just because you took my own opinion out of context.
I find it ironic that you of all people, someone who confided in me for help so they could make extra coins, has now tried and turned the tables as if I'm some broke bitch looking for handout in camming connection. My opinion of her looks is my own and should have no bearing on you. If you don't agree, that's not my problem but the fact is, as we all know it, she banks because she's a niche which is what I said. Get over it.
And for the record, Snowy and I are talking about two different models. My opinion is my opinion so I don't see what the big deal is. We are talking about how much looks play into success and this is NOT for the insecure. I'm smelling a LOT of insecurity here.
Let me tell you something, Chloe. Though I'm open to learning, I know how to sell my niche. What she does in her room, isn't going to teach me anything because I do not do large insertions, k? I can call anyone I want unattractive, don't get your panties all twisted and in a bunch over someone else's opinion. You need a thick skin in this industry, and the last time I checked, you were up on my ass, in my inbox, and in my yahoo messenger, trying to learn from me. Let's not go there please.
evgirl
12-17-2013, 06:08 PM
Once i read a conversation on Russian livecam forum.
One of the girls opened a thread:
" I can't understand ... I am super hot, i am a model, and i make less money than some American girls that looks bad, and far away from perfect me" :))))
It was funny, because there is so much more in to webcams than just a look.
Yes, look is very important, but if this super pretty model, hardly can speak English, and she sit there with boring face...she will not earn well.
I will add that big boobs always sell well :) especially if the girl are thing with huge natural rank.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 06:23 PM
I dont think that was directed toward you.
What really pisses me off is that these people will talk about her like she is this great performer and that fact is she will fuck herself in free chat. That's never brought up, didn't realize that was allowed now on Streamate. Oh wait, it ISN'T. There is a blog that posts screenshots from SM and she is always on it doing shit she KNOWS isnt allowed. I have issues with any cam performer that always breaks the rules. Go to MFC or Chaturbate if you want to fuck yourself in free chat. Who wouldnt make bank if they did all the shit?
I also don't think you said anything wrong. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I guess if you state an honest opinion on here and don't kiss ass, you are a hater to some people.
If I'm correct with your "I don't think that was toward you" statement, she did direct the hater comment, as well as the "I don't make any money" comment towards me which is far from the truth. She claimed that both, snowy, and myself have no right to our opinions because we're on here always asking for help, and don't make any money. Whatever Snowy does, is all on her, but I've never asked for financial help, etc because I've been in this industry for years and I know how to make money. I was sharpening my superb phone sex skills as a 15 yr old teen calling lines for free in the back of Cosmo. Yeah, that's fucked up, but it's the truth. I then started earning money camming, phone boneing, and selling items back in 07' and have been in and out of the industry, and doing well ever since.
I put my face on, and I not only split cam sites, I work independently, and work my indy phone sites as well. I may not be a beauty standard, but make up helps, and so does having a niche. I've only come here to learn, and help others. If I wasn't making any money, I wouldn't dare tell someone else how to. How can someone fresh faced, stacked, and with a great attitude on cam/phone NOT make any money? I'm logged into at least 9 platforms at one time and my phone is constantly ringing, and I'm in and out of shows every time I log on. What I don't get is that this person (not Sadie) asked me for help last year, and I reached out to her and helped her. Now, the only time I see her post in CC is after something I've said that she disagrees with. I just don't understand. I never see her posting or helping anyone else, but she's on my ass? A hater is someone who follows your posts and tries to call you out. I feel she has a dislike for me, otherwise, 3-4 posts of mine wouldn't have caused her to start drama. If anyone looks like a hater, it's her. And it's "ugly" to stalk someone's posts and comment negatively on them. On one post she said, and I quote "Is everything about color with you?" and now I'm a hater, she sounds stalker-ish to me. Move back a few steps bb, it's okay, there's enough e-space for us both.
Thank you for agreeing with my statement, Jane. To be honest, I don't care what said person does in her free chat or room. I rarely perv, and if so, I just perv for a few seconds, and move on. I'm far too busy working my own room to notice what someone else is doing in free chat. I've never even reported anyone so I couldn't tell you what she does as far as breaking site rules. All I know is that when I do occasionally come into her room, it's during a GS and she's banking. I'm sorry that you have issues with other models, Jane. Personally, if it doesn't affect my money, I don't care what they do in their respective rooms and I think you'll be less stressed if you didn't as well. If anyone is breaking a rule, eventually, they will be punished accordingly. As far as it having anything to do with me, I don't worry my pretty little head about it.
JaneBurgess
12-17-2013, 06:35 PM
I have never seen you say you had issues with making money, so I thought she was talking to myself and another performer with that comment. I said that on here about Gold shows and I do suck at them. I'm not ashamed of that at all. Thats why I dont do them.
Its not so much that I have issues with other performers like I hate them, I just dont get how they brag about how great they do when they break every site rule there is. Anyone would do good if they did that. They cant seem to understand when they fuck their toys in free chat it does effect the site. It creates a moochy, entitled enviroment and then some customers get pissed at those of us that don't offer free nudity in free chat. Do what you want in your room, but dont do anything that can mess with the rest of us. You don't have that right to make my time on cam, harder.
I am about respect and I respect my fellow cam performers and web cam sites. I think you get farther in life with respect even if it means you make make less cash on a site.
If I'm correct with your "I don't think that was toward you" statement, she did direct the hater comment, as well as the "I don't make any money" comment towards me which is far from the truth. She claimed that both, snowy, and myself have no right to our opinions because we're on here always asking for help, and don't make any money. Whatever Snowy does, is all on her, but I've never asked for financial help, etc because I've been in this industry for years and I know how to make money. I was sharpening my superb phone sex skills as a 15 yr old teen calling lines for free in the back of Cosmo. Yeah, that's fucked up, but it's the truth. I then started earning money camming, phone boneing, and selling items back in 07' and have been in and out of the industry, and doing well ever since.
I put my face on, and I not only split cam sites, I work independently, and work my indy phone sites as well. I may not be a beauty standard, but make up helps, and so does having a niche. I've only come here to learn, and help others. If I wasn't making any money, I wouldn't dare tell someone else how to. How can someone fresh faced, stacked, and with a great attitude on cam/phone NOT make any money? I'm logged into at least 9 platforms at one time and my phone is constantly ringing, and I'm in and out of shows every time I log on. What I don't get is that this person (not Sadie) asked me for help last year, and I reached out to her and helped her. Now, the only time I see her post in CC is after something I've said that she disagrees with. I just don't understand. I never see her posting or helping anyone else, but she's on my ass?
Thank you for agreeing with my statement, Jane. To be honest, I don't care what said person does in her free chat or room. I rarely perv, and if so, I just perv for a few seconds, and move on. I'm far too busy working my own room to notice what someone else is doing in free chat. I've never even reported anyone so I couldn't tell you what she does as far as breaking site rules. All I know is that when I do occasionally come into her room, it's during a GS and she's banking. I'm sorry that you have issues with other models, Jane. Personally, if it doesn't affect my money, I don't care what they do in their respective rooms and I think you'll be less stressed if you didn't as well. If anyone is breaking a rule, eventually, they will be punished accordingly. As far as it having anything to do with me, I don't worry my pretty little head about it.
Snowy0Star
12-17-2013, 06:38 PM
Whatever Snowy does, is all on her, but I've never asked for financial help
ive reported in my own thread about this but i wanted to say it here since some ppl think im doing terribly - i finally got an i7 computer and things have picked up 100000000000% for me . i found out i work better at night and had my best week EVERY last pay period that im getting paid for this Friday (a little over 300) ive also changed my cam angle what i wear how i act took everyones advice about make up and shit (TY btw Sadie the lashes u told me to get look wonderful on me) pretty much turned everything around i wanna say about 75% of my issues was the comp i was using a Pentium 4 processor comp that was made in 2004... . The reason i deleted my post (thats still quoted ...) was because i agree with Sadie that it was outing in a way since the way i labeled who i mentioned was very identifiable to her even if i wasnt saying her name but i still dont think i was wrong for saying i dont think shes attractive - im a bbw i get im not everyone cup of tea and i can handle that but saying u dont think someone is attractive isnt hating on her she found a niche and she has a hustle that works for her good for her . this is a forum we express opinions and what we think on here thats the point right?
edit to add - this post wasnt accusing kortney of saying im not making enuf it was in regards to the person who decided to attack me and kortney about our financial situation regarding caming
MellyMay
12-17-2013, 06:46 PM
I think having a genuine interest in learning about other people goes a long way. A nice smile can make a difference too. Personally, my personality probably accounts for 70% of my "success" (<----- still getting there!)
i tend to see the top ranked girls as having a similar look....and it's def not MY look. And it never will be, and I actually got into modeling because I was floored that there was an appreciation for non-Playboy-esque types (I was like 19 when I sold my soul to Suicidegirls but at the time it was so new and different that I do believe I was part of something pretty revolutionary for both the internet and porn). I'm not holding out for an awesome cam score since it's so goddamned subjective.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 06:48 PM
No, it was to me. She quoted me and mentioned me, twice. And you are right Jane, I've never posted about not making money because I always have, and always do. If I didn't I would've been out of this industry years ago. Also, the whole entire time I've been a member of SW aside from these last few months, my soon to be ex husband made most of the income so money was never an issue for me. I literally had no bills to pay. For those who are familiar with the military. They pay for virtually everything. Housing, food, salary, vacation, separation, and even extra money when you move off post. I was also on an allowance from my soon to be ex husband, so when did I ever have money issues?
I think I posted once about IML having cheap guys because payout was closer and needed more funds to cover a random bill, but I had still made money. With working 9 sites, you get paid at different times. You can have a $1k week on SM and other sites but if you know you're getting IML money the very next day, you still hustle. IML pay is different because you don't have to wait one week in arrears before seeing it. You can work 15 hours on the 14th and 30th, and be paid the next day. With other sites, it's a week or more in arrears and once you've made payout, you still have to wait to get physically paid.
I posted recently in verified that I was pissed with payoneer's pricing, so perhaps she took that out of context too. I just hate leaving home to take out money that is there, and being charged $19+ to take it out. I just recently switched to checks for this reason alone, not because I'm hurting financially. Your girl just doesn't think it's cute to be charged $19+ for a cash advance, plus fees. I don't care how much money you make, if you have money on several cards going for different bills, and one charges you a whopping $19+, you're gonna bitch about it.
Blovely
12-17-2013, 07:00 PM
I just don't get why certain girls always have to use money or someone's financial state as an insult when it comes to disagreeing.
kortneykay
12-17-2013, 07:04 PM
I think having a genuine interest in learning about other people goes a long way. A nice smile can make a difference too. Personally, my personality probably accounts for 70% of my "success" (<----- still getting there!)
i tend to see the top ranked girls as having a similar look....and it's def not MY look. And it never will be, and I actually got into modeling because I was floored that there was an appreciation for non-Playboy-esque types (I was like 19 when I sold my soul to Suicidegirls but at the time it was so new and different that I do believe I was part of something pretty revolutionary for both the internet and porn). I'm not holding out for an awesome cam score since it's so goddamned subjective.
Suicide girls, rock! I had a friend who was one at 19 as well and she was African American with dreadlocks. I actually used to model too when I was younger. I did some print and runway for plus size modeling agencies but I stopped growing at like, 5'7.5" and they wanted "slightly plus sized" and no shorter than 5'8" I was crushed but got over it and did my own "modeling" lmao. I always did look up to suicide girls.
scarlettbelle
12-17-2013, 07:30 PM
I know I'm late on this but I just noticed this quote and wanted to add my 2 cents :D
IMO most top girls look like they'd be solidly average if you saw them out and about
So I'd guess that it's a balance between being unobjectionable (not too fat, not too skinny, not too old, not too alt, not too unusual in the face) to appeal to the widest range of customers and your hustle/cam persona.
That's me in a nutshell. I'm not claiming to be a super top model on SM or whatever, but I'm usually on the top three rows and I make about $100/hr. I think the reason I do as well as I do is because I'm kind of the middle of the road, jack-of-all-trades camgirl. I'm definitely not the porn star or barbie doll type by any stretch of the imagination.
And IDK if this is just a Streamate thing, but every time I log on there is a pretty wide range of "types" on the first page. Sure, there are some "stereotypical" porn star ladies on there (and some actual porn stars!) but that's just one look of many that's being shown.
It all just goes to show that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, it helps to look put together, clean, tidy etc. But other than that, I really think camming success comes from personality and commitment.
luscious sadie
12-17-2013, 07:50 PM
in my daily life with no makeup I'm like. cute but meh. on cam or in the club I'm BOOM. I think most girls are ;)
luscious sadie
12-17-2013, 07:54 PM
though I think that the massive amounts of liner and fake lashes really play into that.
justanothercamgirl
12-17-2013, 08:17 PM
I just don't get why certain girls always have to use money or someone's financial state as an insult when it comes to disagreeing.
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temptingmodel
12-17-2013, 08:49 PM
Idk... I change looks quite often.. weight, hair, additions to piercings and tattoos <-- Body Mods where once claimed to ruin my business , whoever has the closed mind can trash this thought.
Im not so sure looks are the key? Hair? I can change my hair from shit green to falling out of head bleach blonde and have the customers I want to have.
I do know personality for sure is the key. I have seen models drop straight to page 5 bc of their attitude. No company wants a lazy camgirl/negative on the front page.
Confidence and of course
Attentive
Basically the service industry
temptingmodel
12-17-2013, 08:55 PM
GASP! I would fuck his face in a heart beat.
Carry on... :D
LMFAO I will take your sloppy seconds :D
I totally missed part of this thread until I posted and had to read backwards
SadieTaylor
12-17-2013, 09:00 PM
I think some things are considered universally attractive: clear skin, white teeth, nicely shaped eyebrows, shiny hair... And I think these things apply to anybody. when I work I try to be as groomed as possible. I wear makeup so I don't look washed out, make sure my eyebrows are waxed or pluck, whiten my teeth, and do clip in extensions. I just try to look like the most glamorous version of myself. Of course looks play a part, it's the first impression your customer gets. So I never rest my face, I'm always smiling, biting a lip, or trying to look engaged to pull them in.
SarahTime
12-17-2013, 10:12 PM
Oh by the way, i loooove Gerard Butler, that is my type of a man, i find him soo hot & sexy OMG, i am drooling looking at his pics online.
For me face is what makes a guy hot, body comes after face, the eyes especially are very important to 'read' things, mouth too, everything about face and facial expression, there i see everything. I think guys see us the same. If they dont like our face they dont pay attention to the rest i assume?! Tho some cam girls dont show face on cam and work with body only, some guys can do with body only i guess, dont know...
LOL sorry to be confusing! :D Kortney was right in explaining!
And Gerard Butler.... omg soooooo sexy!
SarahTime
12-17-2013, 10:17 PM
I know I'm late on this but I just noticed this quote and wanted to add my 2 cents :D
That's me in a nutshell. I'm not claiming to be a super top model on SM or whatever, but I'm usually on the top three rows and I make about $100/hr. I think the reason I do as well as I do is because I'm kind of the middle of the road, jack-of-all-trades camgirl. I'm definitely not the porn star or barbie doll type by any stretch of the imagination.
And IDK if this is just a Streamate thing, but every time I log on there is a pretty wide range of "types" on the first page. Sure, there are some "stereotypical" porn star ladies on there (and some actual porn stars!) but that's just one look of many that's being shown.
It all just goes to show that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, it helps to look put together, clean, tidy etc. But other than that, I really think camming success comes from personality and commitment.
This is me too. I feel like I do really well with my camming and I'm sooooooooooooooooo average it's hilarious.
though I think that the massive amounts of liner and fake lashes really play into that.
This too. If you see me without eyeliner and a TON of mascara its like.... who are you?!?!
BellaK
12-18-2013, 12:04 AM
Lol hey I'm a Wisconsinite! I hear tons of people saying they didn't know there were beautiful women here. Like Umm ok lol
Heeeeeyyyy Im originally from WI!!! YES people always always always say that!! UM YES AND we have cheaper yet very good quality tattoos,cosmetic surgery, cosmetic dentistry in comparison to other places & ... I LOVE going home.
I don't get tattoos n stuff any other place !!! :-) $$$
FOR the POST:
They are image conscious in WI too....I believe thats a U.S. society thing in general.....its ONLY because WI isnt all over reality TV etc with super hot hot weather that people dont know how we do lol Like most things in life, what people don't REALLY know they tend to assume....and thats no shots at anyone (since I see this post been turnt up lol)
I actually MISS WI sometimes although where I live now is known to be so fabulous etc. I do see the differences in a known big city compared to the smaller city I grew up in tho. BUT thats person to person too.... some people give a shit what other people think, or HAVE TO HAVE things,or feel the need to look at a certain standard. While others just don't care.
AND those who dont care much can oddly make bank too.....Ive seen no makeup tank top girls getting paid too.
For me ,I think its personality.... I am attractive. If for whatever reason Im in a bitchy mood tho ( the heat is coming off me & I think they can feel it even if I fake it My face dont lie! lolololol) & I wont make SHIT> Days when Im bubbly talkative friendly I bank even off chat only shows. I think everyone is different.......
Its HUSTLE as well. A friend of mine is an escort, she is not as "pretty" as a lot of women I guess....NO LIE she makes literally thousands per day (Ive witnessed myself) without even having a posting online in WISCONSIN, btw... not always even putting out.lol. She has a personality that can PULL ANYONE, even women. You just WANT to be in her company.
KimKlass
12-18-2013, 04:03 AM
So the consensus here seems to be, IMO, that looks are important to success, but that there are so many acceptable standards of beauty and such a wide range in the preferences of customers that it doesn't even make sense to try and narrow it down to one standard. Because for every look, there is an audience comprised of people who like that look. Might be a bigger audience for some, smaller for others. But regardless, there IS an audience for every one of us.
The glaringly obvious other part of my own consensus on this subject is that looks will only get you so far. They may even get you nowhere, or perhaps get you very far. There are basically an infinite amount of factors which don't involve looks that are components in our success. Furthermore, those components are unique to each of us. What works for one of us may fail for others. In short, there is no wrong way to cam successfully (or to eat a Reese's), and it certainly does not come down to simply "beauty", because that word has many definitions for many people.
MellyMay
12-18-2013, 06:20 AM
Suicide girls, rock! I had a friend who was one at 19 as well and she was African American with dreadlocks. I actually used to model too when I was younger. I did some print and runway for plus size modeling agencies but I stopped growing at like, 5'7.5" and they wanted "slightly plus sized" and no shorter than 5'8" I was crushed but got over it and did my own "modeling" lmao. I always did look up to suicide girls.
I'm sorry to say that my expereince with SuicideGirls was fucking horrible. They made sure to let me know that i was the chubby model (it was early in the site's inception, only about 100 girls then..... 2003ish) BUT I digress.
Sexy Shana
12-18-2013, 10:15 AM
I think having a genuine interest in learning about other people goes a long way. A nice smile can make a difference too. Personally, my personality probably accounts for 70% of my "success" (<----- still getting there!)
i tend to see the top ranked girls as having a similar look....and it's def not MY look. And it never will be, and I actually got into modeling because I was floored that there was an appreciation for non-Playboy-esque types (I was like 19 when I sold my soul to Suicidegirls but at the time it was so new and different that I do believe I was part of something pretty revolutionary for both the internet and porn). I'm not holding out for an awesome cam score since it's so goddamned subjective.
Overall, I am doing better when I just say to myself; "fuck the damn cam score"
buxxxom
12-18-2013, 12:23 PM
I'm sorry to say that my expereince with SuicideGirls was fucking horrible. They made sure to let me know that i was the chubby model (it was early in the site's inception, only about 100 girls then..... 2003ish) BUT I digress.
Sorry, Melly. :( I've also only heard really bad things about SuicideGirls. A couple of my friends applied for me when I was 19 and I was approved but I never did any picture sets. Now that I know much more about them, I am so glad I didn't. I read recently that one of the models was murdered and the site refuses to take her pictures down at the request of her family. They also make it so damn impossible to get paid, claiming your picture sets aren't "unique" enough and so many girls shell out way more than they ever get in return.
If I were going to attempt to do something similar, I'd maybe aspire to be a GodsGirl.
luscious sadie
12-18-2013, 01:59 PM
Yeah no to mention the fucked up things that SG did to a bunch of independent photographers :/
Busygirl
12-18-2013, 02:09 PM
In my opinion if you look, are, or appear successful you'll do well.
Looking like a barbie doll, sometimes can backfire: there is such a thing, that guys become intimidated by superior beauties.
MellyMay
12-18-2013, 03:54 PM
I'm friends with a BUNCH of GodsGirls. woot.
MellyMay
12-18-2013, 03:55 PM
Yeah no to mention the fucked up things that SG did to a bunch of independent photographers :/
ABSOLUTELY. I'll try to stay on topic, but just..... I feel the need to save people from evil.
MellyMay
12-18-2013, 04:01 PM
As far as looks go..... (i know i've mentioned this before).... early on in my camming, I was told by a few others than Streamate would be more successful for me because I have a more alt look....stupid labels, but whatev. They said that there tends to be a winder variety of girls w/ unconvential looks compared to MFC.... or just not the blonde or Asian, big tit standard that society has set. (That's just my generalization, obvs there are so many exceptions.)
But....I guess what I took from that was that I'm fat and weird looking. (Obvs projecting my own insecurities. Meh, own worst enemy).
AliceFun
12-19-2013, 07:01 AM
Update on Colored contact lenses purchase (i keep it short, promise): I am disappointed to see that the bright lavender color i ordered online is in fact a very pale tone of 'lavender', it's not even visible on my dark brown eyes, i can see a violet shade when i look in the mirror but on cam it's not visible at all.
The big eye lens type is giving a nice effect too on my eyes & i like the look but will not help with it on cam.
Not going to wear them but i cant return the product once i opened the box and wore them, it's ok, $30ish, i wanted something alot different and visible on cam, i think they edit all that pics on sites lol.
It was a pain to put them on and take them off, they felt soo fragile (good quality tho, made in spain), my eyes got watery at 1st while i got used to them, did not know if i should put make up on 1st or after so i decided to do it after but then i smear the eye liner and eye shadow on my lids trying to put that things into my eyes, whoaaa, i dont like it, i better have my natural eyes and glasses & feel comfy; i just hate when i have to go ass up/ face down on pillow in my shows (members requests) & have to take glasses off to protect them and cant see text too good on screen.
Maybe one day i'll go for the right contacts with a prescription from docs to make sure i am safe and comfy.
Thanks for reading & thank u Chloemay for ur advices xxx!!
Sexy Shana
12-19-2013, 09:10 AM
I know I'm late on this but I just noticed this quote and wanted to add my 2 cents :D
That's me in a nutshell. I'm not claiming to be a super top model on SM or whatever, but I'm usually on the top three rows and I make about $100/hr. I think the reason I do as well as I do is because I'm kind of the middle of the road, jack-of-all-trades camgirl. I'm definitely not the porn star or barbie doll type by any stretch of the imagination.
And IDK if this is just a Streamate thing, but every time I log on there is a pretty wide range of "types" on the first page. Sure, there are some "stereotypical" porn star ladies on there (and some actual porn stars!) but that's just one look of many that's being shown.
It all just goes to show that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, it helps to look put together, clean, tidy etc. But other than that, I really think camming success comes from personality and commitment.
I'm so with u on this! SM makes no sense to me w model placement. IMO it is a favorite thing of their staff.
athletic1
12-19-2013, 09:19 AM
I think looks can pull people in but your personality and what you have to offer is what is going to keep people coming back for more.
I whole heartedly agree with LUSTYLARK. Always remember curiosity will initially bring a client. The true talent is gaining a faithful customer that WANTS to KEEP providing capital. Personality is truly priceless in this sector.
luscious sadie
12-19-2013, 12:47 PM
I'm so with u on this! SM makes no sense to me w model placement. IMO it is a favorite thing of their staff.
It really isn't. It has to do with amount of money you make, amount of time in paid chat (%), amount of hours that you work, SETTINGS THAT YOU USE (this is huge), amount of favourites that you have etc. To say that it has to do with staff favourites competely negates the work that top girls put in.