View Full Version : How much does looks play into success. not for the insecure
scarlettbelle
12-19-2013, 02:45 PM
It really isn't. It has to do with amount of money you make, amount of time in paid chat (%), amount of hours that you work, SETTINGS THAT YOU USE (this is huge), amount of favourites that you have etc. To say that it has to do with staff favourites competely negates the work that top girls put in.
This is correct. There definitely is a "formula" that SM uses to determine placement, but they've never (to my knowledge) come right out and said what the formula is, so it can be confusing. This is why girls lose placement if they don't sign on for a week or more - a lot of your placement is determined by $$ and ratings, among other things. Some girls who are with certain studios seem to have a different set of criteria for maintaining placement, which is probably part of the confusion.
Incantatious
12-19-2013, 03:04 PM
Yeah placement seems totally guided by the factors they've detailed in their new model manual thing they have on SM now (v.useful, actually!) Encoder, ratings, time spent in private, consistency / logging on often, how many members you get in your room, plus I think the hours you actually STAY ON plays a big factor.
A lot of the performers on the top few rows seem to spend pretty long periods of time working and building their fanbases.
I used to be on the first page in the top three rows but I took ages off, then the next time I logged on recently I was way back on page 5!! Then within a couple more nights I was page 3, and now I'm back on page 1 again albeit pretty low down there.
I don't think there is any favoritism or inside story we don't know about where placement is concerned. What I'm more concerned about, and that I DO speculate there is some kind of shady stuff going on, is when top models sell their underwear... A top model was banned for that, and then the next day, she was back on again, fearlessly selling her undies! For that I can't help but think ~ one rule for one, one rule for another? Whatevers though. *shrug* I'm not that interested in selling my undies, but if she has some kind of inside deal, okay.
justanothercamgirl
12-19-2013, 03:41 PM
This is correct. There definitely is a "formula" that SM uses to determine placement, but they've never (to my knowledge) come right out and said what the formula is, so it can be confusing. This is why girls lose placement if they don't sign on for a week or more - a lot of your placement is determined by $$ and ratings, among other things. Some girls who are with certain studios seem to have a different set of criteria for maintaining placement, which is probably part of the confusion.
I do think the formula must have to do with money per hour and not how much money you make overall.
I was shocked to see that I had managed to work my way back up to row 3 when I checked my placement the other day. Even though I do well money-wise when I am working --- since I only work an hour a day I really am not making much money when you totally it all up at the end of the week.
scarlettbelle
12-19-2013, 03:53 PM
^^^That's really interesting, and makes sense based on what I've noticed about my own earnings/placement. I'd been wondering about that for a while. Thanks! :D
temptingmodel
12-20-2013, 10:45 PM
^^^ hate the term alt.. just bc someone has this that and the third doesn't make them "alt"
Im not alt, Im not normal, I am a happy mofo with my body modifications
MellyMay
12-21-2013, 01:14 PM
^^^ hate the term alt.. just bc someone has this that and the third doesn't make them "alt"
Im not alt, Im not normal, I am a happy mofo with my body modifications
hear hear!
tattooed_fox
12-21-2013, 07:59 PM
I make significantly more money when I am on top of my game as far as fitness/eating right. I also feel more confident though now that I've been losing weight. I'll be curious to see if hair length affects my earnings, as I'm growing it out.
CummingCouple
12-22-2013, 08:10 PM
Update on Colored contact lenses purchase (i keep it short, promise): I am disappointed to see that the bright lavender color i ordered online is in fact a very pale tone of 'lavender', it's not even visible on my dark brown eyes, i can see a violet shade when i look in the mirror but on cam it's not visible at all.
The big eye lens type is giving a nice effect too on my eyes & i like the look but will not help with it on cam.
Not going to wear them but i cant return the product once i opened the box and wore them, it's ok, $30ish, i wanted something alot different and visible on cam, i think they edit all that pics on sites lol.
It was a pain to put them on and take them off, they felt soo fragile (good quality tho, made in spain), my eyes got watery at 1st while i got used to them, did not know if i should put make up on 1st or after so i decided to do it after but then i smear the eye liner and eye shadow on my lids trying to put that things into my eyes, whoaaa, i dont like it, i better have my natural eyes and glasses & feel comfy; i just hate when i have to go ass up/ face down on pillow in my shows (members requests) & have to take glasses off to protect them and cant see text too good on screen.
Maybe one day i'll go for the right contacts with a prescription from docs to make sure i am safe and comfy.
Thanks for reading & thank u Chloemay for ur advices xxx!!
It's illegal to sell them in the us if you're not authorized, but plenty of people still do it. Sorry you got scammed.
SweetPinkCupcake
01-14-2014, 01:41 AM
I thought that this was interesting about the haircolor thing, and I think all of your theories are true, and I will say my experiences were the same way....I have had red hair and brown hair both a lot in my life and only blonde hair for a short period of time.
I was actually a blonde before when I was like 19, lol, even though if I looked at a picture of myself now I would think "What am I doing!" but I actually did get a lot of attention, a lot....
As a brunette, I feel like I did get approached a lot more, too....people thought I was smarter and intellectual in real life...and .in sex work, I got lots and lots more domme, fetish, brat requests on cam, guess I looked bitchy, and the 'girl next door' in other sex work
As a redhead now, I mostly get guys who have never had sex with a redhead and want to because they think I am dirty...lmao.....it is kind of annoying actually....I am not the hot girl of the group but rather just the "redhead" and hippie types because I get called that a lot now, a lot of girls will stop me in real life and say they love my haircolor and how did I do it...or that they love my hair sooo much, I actually get that a TON from girls so I think if I ever want to be a lesbian I will stay red forever :p.on cam, I don't get as many fetish types as I used to with brown hair because I guess I don't look as mean now or something, I get lots of guys that think I am crazy and kinky lol.
SavannahLynnn
01-14-2014, 11:15 PM
As much as I don't want to because I'm trying to get my hair healthy so I can ditch extensions one day. I may go blonde again to see if it gives me a boost in earnings. My natural color is black, so blonde is not easy for me to attain or maintain. However, I did notice a certain type of attention that it attracted.
Sexy Shana
01-16-2014, 07:01 AM
As much as I don't want to because I'm trying to get my hair healthy so I can ditch extensions one day. I may go blonde again to see if it gives me a boost in earnings. My natural color is black, so blonde is not easy for me to attain or maintain. However, I did notice a certain type of attention that it attracted.
I am not a nat'l blonde but blonde works well in this biz. Check the sites....huge list for blondes...Worth the effort!
JodesHu
01-16-2014, 07:28 AM
@SavannahLynn, you could always buy a realistic blonde wig if you're trying to restore your hair..
I think looks play a part to a certain extent. I do think you can fake a lot of it on cam, because of lighting you can contour your face to the gods. I am not all that attractive in real life, my facial features are rather disproportioned but with the right make up and attitude I can make myself look good on cam.
I also think just making an effort with your appearance on cam makes the big difference. I know I would rather see a clean & well put together girl than someone who looks messy. I don't mean that in a mean way but I have logged into some rooms and seen messy rooms, with girls who have extremely greasy hair and dirty feet & to me that's not attractive although each their own. I'm sure some guys love that although I wouldn't say a majority do.
A good personality can take you far but you need to look somewhat attractive to entice the guys in.
roseeisenhardt
01-16-2014, 09:31 AM
I think looks are a huge part because if you're in a niche and you're attractive enough, you can even get buyers from outside your niche who look past the few little things they don't like because they think you're hot.
SavannahLynnn
01-16-2014, 06:18 PM
@SavannahLynn, you could always buy a realistic blonde wig if you're trying to restore your hair..
My boyfriend suggested this too because he's not all that big on the idea of me going blonde either.
When I prep for work, I imagine I'm going on a date with a really hot guy so I go all out with makeup and grooming.
I do have a pretty face... I don't have that "face" certain girls have that make them smoking hot tens and I've got crooked teeth. I've gotten pretty good at applying makeup over the years though and I do turn some heads when I go out in public. However, I DO NOT photograph well at all I'm pretty sure this also applies to video.
On top of this I have naturally raven hair and brown eyes which do not stand out very well, especially against my black bedding. Since I can't wear colored contacts every night I think even a subtle honey blonde will help me stand out a bit better.
It's funny because before I got into this business, I dressed and looked like I should have been in the industry and now that I am I've toned it way down. Maybe it's time to take some tips from my former 20 year-old self.
SaintSlutface
03-24-2014, 11:47 PM
Teeth. Teeth are a huge factor I've noticed when it comes to the top models. Even if a girl is gorgeous but she has bad teeth you'll usually find her a few pages in.
AliceFun
03-25-2014, 01:03 AM
OMG yes, saw cam girls with terrible teeth, i know is expensive to care for ur teeth but really? Some are looking awful, why not fixing teeth instead of getting other expensive stuff done like .. i dont know, tattoos, nails, hair, make up, dresses, piercings, heels, all cam gear, so on and on. Teeth are soo important imo
Bubblegum1235
03-25-2014, 03:23 AM
^I will have to use braces soon and I´m worried about how that is going to affect my earnings :(
sammii
03-25-2014, 03:32 AM
^I will have to use braces soon and I´m worried about how that is going to affect my earnings :(
Capitalize on it. It's a fetish (and a unique one) ... I would be advertising the hell out of it if I had braces.
Procrasturbator
03-25-2014, 03:38 AM
I've actually noticed the opposite, there's a few very popular camgirls that have very crooked teeth. Not yellow or rotten though, just crooked. But yes, if you have braces advertise it! And make tons of clips while you can.
Bubblegum1235
03-25-2014, 04:11 AM
Yeah, I didn´t think about that, there is a fetish for anything...I will advertise them, I know there are some guys who like them. Anyway, I won´t know until I try. Thanks for the advises!