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Melonie
02-15-2014, 01:55 PM
^^^ in truth it will probably take all of this year for the 'reality' of this ACA / HHS 'Home Inspection Visit' program to make itself clear. The only things that ARE known for sure are that
A. the new Inspectors will be FEDERAL HHS contractors, not state or local,
B. the ACA has already appropriated 2.5 Billion dollars to specifically fund these new HHS contractors,
C. HHS has already set down a partial list of 'high risk' activities which REQUIRE a Home Inspection Visit ( i.e. mother under 21, second-hand smoke ) and
D. federal authority supersedes state and local authority ( meaning that if a HHS contractor Inspector calls for the state / local CPS agency to 'intervene', the CPS agency will have no choice but to do so even if the state / local agency would not have deemed the situation worthy of attention on their own ).

I'm also in full agreement that camgirl moms should keep their 'adult' industry work as low key as possible ...
- don't leave a cam studio permanently set up
- try to minimize creation of a direct 'paper trail' i.e. 1099's from a well known adult webcam host directly linking the camgirl's name, address, and SS# ( as opposed to an LLC or S-Corp ). Unfortunately, if total 2014 camming income from a single webcam host is > $600, it's already too late.
- keeping your camming activities 'secret' from family, friends, landlord, and neighbors to the extent possible

brittany_bitch
02-15-2014, 11:19 PM
wow. I am not so worried about much of anything except the fact that I cam. I mean I do it mostly on weekends when my child is not here. Also while she is in school. My camming things are in bags that stay in the top of my closet when not in use and my computer is on the floor because I have no desk or any room for one anway. I have a small mattress and a pillow ad blanket but I slide those under my bed. My child never asks anything about it she thinks I just work on the puter and that's all lol. As she gets older I will try to be more secretive about it until I can tell her. She will never be exposed to anything camming related. I am seriously scared that because I legally cam to make a living for my kid that she can be took away from me that really hurts it almost makes me want to go get a vanilla job and then I could not afford much of anything and I would be right back on more assistance. What do I do you guys? I can't sleep thinking about this do I stop camming? If it means they will take my child then camming will be over in my book and it will really affect us and the fun things we do but I would much rather be poor and have her with me. Why o why do they do this to us.

KatyBoleyn
02-16-2014, 12:38 AM
I wouldn't worry so much about Tea party/anti-vaccination conspiracy theories just yet. The guy that wrote that article was missing a very fundamental grasp of how law becomes policy, nevermind the actual content of the rest of the articles which read like bullet points off a Tea Party bingo card. I think he lost me around the statement about turning the high school nurse's office into an abortion clinic. I can never figure out if the people that write that stuff actually believe it themselves, which boggles the mind how a practicing lawyer failed (or doesn't remember) Public Administration 200 from college, or if he was being intentionally misleading.

In short, the black helicopters from the U.N. haven't come to take away your guns, so your child is also just as safe. I'm sure if this guy's paranoid ravings actually do come to pass, we'll have at least a little warning.

These checks have been a pretty standard part of most public assistance programs for a while, we had them a few times a year with kids in headstart, and basically they come in and check some boxes to make sure you aren't neglecting your kid. Having been on the HS board, the workers that do this are more about getting you assistance than taking anyone, and this has been the legal precedent for a while. It takes an extraordinary amount of abuse to remove a kid from the home these days. The ominous sounding "contractors" usually means public-private firms that carry out social welfare functions, sometimes non-profit. Meals on Wheels program is an example of this.

There are a few things that camming can do to cause issues with your children, such as nasty divorces or custody battles, but public assistance isn't one of them - especially if you take minimal precautions to limit your child's exposure to it.

Magical_Hoohah
02-16-2014, 02:55 PM
^^^ Yes to everything Katy said.

I was trying to be reassuring in my last couple posts (and I may have failed). What I was trying to get at is that, for money reasons alone, NO ONE wants to take a child away from its parent(s) unless there is absolutely no other alternative. This means that unless the child is at risk of death, serious injury, or severe mental health trauma, they will usually leave the child with the parent. Even if the mom hits the kid for punishment, as long as it's not likely to cause an injury, they will usually leave the child with the mom and send her to parenting class. Just based on the known numbers for my area (and it might cost a lot more), keeping one child in foster care costs over $70K per year. Where I live, that's significantly more than the average two-parent family earns! No one wants the government spending that kind of money unless the kid's really, truly in danger.
What you are doing doesn't harm your child, and they'd have a hard time proving otherwise. It's not considered harmful for parents to have sex or masturbate behind closed doors (otherwise no one would have any siblings!). It's not considered harmful for parents to own or use sex toys** that they keep private from their children. It's not considered harmful for parents to make intimate videos of themselves, as long as they aren't playing them for their kids. If they tried to argue that your kid might see you doing sex acts on the internet, well, not if you aren't doing shit in free chat. Some people might argue that your child's classmates will tease him if they find out what you do for a living, but that doesn't make sense because the janitor's kid is going to get teased, too.

When I said you should make sure to put away your camming stuff, what I meant was "Don't leave giant, lifelike dongs all over the house." If he starts talking in class about the giant penis on the dinner table, you might actually have issues, lol! I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the placement of your computer or bedding.
Likewise, discretion is a good idea in general, not just with the government.

I really don't believe that you should worry about home inspections too much. Your family needs food, medical care, heat, housing, etc. That is a FACT. If you need benefits in order to care for your family, but you give them up/don't apply, there's a high chance you will be stressed out, and your camming will suffer. If you know that a vanilla job can't provide for you, there's a high chance that giving up on camming will cause problems for you.
Compare that with the likelihood of having a home inspection that leads to negative consequences. Obviously, it's not a 0% chance, but I think it might be a very low chance; no one knows right now. Ultimately you have to make your own decisions about the risks you are willing to take. I would say that if you believe camming is the best way for you to provide for yourself, be a camgirl. If you need benefits to be able to take care of your family, I think you should get them/keep them. Be smart and be careful, and then stop stressing, and build your camming business until you're independent!

**I don't own any sex toys, and you probably don't either. I have quite a few items that were sold to me as novelty items. I also have some equestrian equipment, some laundry tools (clothes pins), some costumes, and some leather clothing accessories. Technically, none of that is any more incriminating than possession of a cucumber.

brittany_bitch
02-16-2014, 04:07 PM
thanks katy and magical.I feel better.Katy I always wondered why does headstart do a home visit? The preschools here do it too and headstart.

KatyBoleyn
02-16-2014, 04:35 PM
Its basically to assess the family's needs, both the family in general and the child development needs also.

They'll make sure you're signed up for what other public assistance you're eligible for, like utilities help, insulation, health programs, WIC etc.

Then they'll also ask what your concerns are about your own child's educational or development needs and help you get referrals to a specialist or set a goal plan for development milestones. They may also drop by if your child misses excessive amounts of school (3+ days in a row), just to make sure you're still there. There's usually a tight waiting list to get in.

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 11:40 AM
Well that can be a good thing to do then I guess. The preschools here do that too. I just don't like people invading my house I know what I need to do and if there was assistance I qualified for I would get it lol. I just don't want to feel incompetent and have them telling me what to do.

KatyBoleyn
02-17-2014, 11:53 AM
That was us as well, but for them its nice because they can just come in, check the boxes, chat about how great your kids are, and leave.

But for every one like us that, even after layoffs and partial employment can still keep up the guise of a middle-class existence, there are a lot of people that don't have the faculties to navigate the public assistance system, or have a car to get to appointments they need to get to, or know what's available to help their child if they're struggling with anything, or know what resources are available if there's a domestic abuse situation, or know about certain job opportunities.

These visits also give "in-kind" hours for parental participation, so the program your child attends can receive funding for showing community participation. Basically, if the community doesn't show a good participation rate in a social program, funding dries up and it goes away.

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 12:11 PM
That makes sense thanks you girls are so informative.

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 12:30 PM
Katy maybe you or magical_hoohah could answer this one for me. SO I just checked the food stamp website and it has two income limits I am confused as to why there are two and what they mean. I am assuming though since I own and do not rent that if I did get benefits it would be very low. The numbers are as follows : for a family of three you cannot have more than 2116.00 at 130 percent of the federal poverty level and 3256.00 at 200 percent of the federal poverty level and those both say maximum gross income limit. How do they determine which poverty level 130 0r 200 that is confusing me. Thanks

KatyBoleyn
02-17-2014, 01:18 PM
Its gross vs. net income. You can't exceed either or your benefits begin to taper off or you become ineligible. Basically you have your total income, and from that you can deduct certain expenses or portions of them. Basically follow along the directions of the page in order you read them:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligibility#Income

Magical_Hoohah
02-17-2014, 03:14 PM
Brittany ~ Yes, everything Katy said is correct, and the link she posted is an excellent resource. I'm not sure why your state is even listing 200% of Federal Poverty Level. It may be that in your state, some families in special circumstances are screened at 200% ($3256/month for 3 people). They could also be listing it as the gross limit for another program, such as Medicaid.

Normally, 130% ($2116/month for 3 people) would be the gross limit. Remember that your gross income does NOT include your business (camming) expenses - they aren't considered part of your income. So, if your gross income BEFORE (non-business) deductions is more than $2116/month, you don't qualify at all. If your gross income is less than $2116/month, they will take out all the applicable deductions as listed in the link. Once all the deductions are counted, if your net income is over $1628/month for 3 people, you are not eligible at all. If your income is less than $1628/month, you will receive some benefits, even if it is just $10/month. The link Katy listed shows how the actual benefit amount is counted. If you are trying to do the math yourself, that's a good start, but remember that it may look a little different when your worker does the math (could be higher or lower), because there are a lot of rules about what is countable and what isn't, so you may not be counting your expenses correctly.

Regarding owning your home: if you pay mortgage, it will be counted as part of your shelter costs. If the mortgage is paid off already, they will still count your home owners' insurance and property taxes (on your house, not your car), in addition to your utilities.

If you want extra clarification and feel comfortable sharing your numbers, PM me and I can go through the math with you.

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 03:44 PM
Lol I tried to do the math myself with the site katy had listed and I just used my states numbers thanks katy :) But I think I may have missed something. The site said if your income is less than the allowable gross amount to do the net income test. My amount was more but the 200 percent thing was weird on the foodstamps and it is not Medicaid because Medicaid limit here is 3255 and that's also at the 200 poverty level as well and that is the only number I could find on the Medicaid. My amount would be 2800 a month I would love it if you want to do the math lol I love nice helpful people finally starting to see more and more of them here :) Also I see that if I do not make over the 3255 for Medicaid that's 200 percent too then my child qualifies. If a child is aged 6 through 18 you cannot make over 1628 a month what do they do then? What kind of program do you think would be offered making 2800 a month? Thanks so much you guys :)

Magical_Hoohah
02-17-2014, 03:49 PM
I wanted to thank you, Katy, for your input on this thread, too. You have a perspective that is distinct from mine, and along with the accurate info you've been providing, that insight is really valuable. You're also really fast about jumping in and answering questions!

Also, Melonie, I know I disagreed with your opinion, but I was really glad you brought up the stuff you did. It's important to be vigilant about stuff like that. It's also fun for me to be able to debate about these things, and I'll be interested to see how the program and issues unfold.

Melonie
02-17-2014, 03:57 PM
Also, Melonie, I know I disagreed with your opinion, but I was really glad you brought up the stuff you did. It's important to be vigilant about stuff like that. It's also fun for me to be able to debate about these things, and I'll be interested to see how the program and issues unfold.

Indeed it's too early in the evolution of the 'Home Inspection Visit' program to make any intelligent predictions.

Magical_Hoohah
02-17-2014, 04:00 PM
My amount was more but the 200 percent thing was weird on the foodstamps and it is not Medicaid because Medicaid limit here is 3255 and that's also at the 200 poverty level as well and that is the only number I could find on the Medicaid. My amount would be 2800 a month I would love it if you want to do the math lol I love nice helpful people finally starting to see more and more of them here :) Also I see that if I do not make over the 3255 for Medicaid that's 200 percent too then my child qualifies. If a child is aged 6 through 18 you cannot make over 1628 a month what do they do then? What kind of program do you think would be offered making 2800 a month? Thanks so much you guys :)

Give me a few minutes. I realized that you are in NC, so I'm going to try to figure out the 200% thing for you. I looked online, and you're right, that is weird.

Melonie
02-17-2014, 04:03 PM
Also, Melonie, I know I disagreed with your opinion, but I was really glad you brought up the stuff you did. It's important to be vigilant about stuff like that. It's also fun for me to be able to debate about these things, and I'll be interested to see how the program and issues unfold.

Indeed it's too early in the evolution of the 'Home Inspection Visit' program to make any intelligent predictions.

However, I would add the following comment that some assumptions posted by others still don't acknowledge the FEDERAL aspect of 'Home Inspection Visits'. If all of the costs of a CPS 'intervention' must be borne by state and local taxpayers, then FEDERAL inspectors have no 'skin in the game'. They can call for an 'intervention' with impunity since all of the ongoing costs ... i.e. foster home, etc. ... will fall on another department / budget. And a state / local agency refusing to 'do their jobs' in the eyes of a FEDERAL agency could lead to all sorts of pragmatic difficulties !!!

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 04:08 PM
Thanks so much :) So nice :) Yeah I meant to put that I was in nc is it even listed on my profile? Lol I should update that . Anyway thanks so much and I didn't know what they do for the Medicaid after a kid is 6 since she would no longer qualify for regular Medicaid.

Magical_Hoohah
02-17-2014, 05:49 PM
Brittany - I sent you a PM, but I can't tell if it worked. I have nothing in my sent items box, but maybe it just takes a few minutes to register? Let me know if you get it...

Edit: I should have known to copy it to someplace until I was sure it went through. :banghead:

brittany_bitch
02-17-2014, 07:26 PM
thanks I got it lol. I thought the same thing and sent u an extra pm lol. It did take a while to show up too lol. Thanks so much for all of ur info and help u are awesome :)