View Full Version : First Club Fail in NJ-- help :(
Chocolate Doll
02-09-2014, 12:18 PM
Noo he didn't say why... Maybe I should have asked one thing I did notice was the girls were all flat chested and I am not but who knows ... At this point if I can get in somehere id pay a girl to learn the necessities even -_-! But bleh This blows!
LilyAnderson
02-09-2014, 12:30 PM
Smiles in Ledgewood.
I think there are some places around Union.
Philly is an option if you're close enough.
You can also try Atlantic City.
LilyAnderson
02-09-2014, 12:32 PM
Definitely Smiles. It's your closest bet probably because I used to live near the area you do.
It's right off of exit 28 on Route 80.
she wolf
02-09-2014, 01:29 PM
Did u go in with lots of makeup and hair u know, drag queen like? Sexy outfit? If u did all of that and they said no maybe he doesn't think customers will like ur look..what about the new place in burlignton nj?
Chocolate Doll
02-09-2014, 01:37 PM
No I didn't do heavy make up but ill admit my outfit was a little "sexier" i mean the color was bright but i did have customers approach me multiple times the few minutes I was wearing my outfite :/
Chocolate Doll
02-10-2014, 07:36 PM
Any info about smiles or club 15? Being chocolate friendly ?...
BlackBarbie
02-11-2014, 09:46 AM
Is the new club in Burlington a nude club ?
countcrabula
02-11-2014, 09:51 AM
yes, nude, customers can BYOB. like i said to tempest i'll typically leave my undies on and give a quick flash, unless of course people are showering me with tips; then i'll take it off.
Chocolate Doll
02-13-2014, 05:38 AM
Good luck at the new club ladies ! :)
Chocolate Doll
02-16-2014, 04:51 AM
Thinking about trying some clubs today.. All suggestions are greatly appreciated
countcrabula
02-16-2014, 08:35 AM
what part of NJ are you thinking of visiting?
Chocolate Doll
02-16-2014, 09:36 AM
North New Jersey from exit 4 alll the way down Lols
Starling
02-16-2014, 02:47 PM
I think there are some places around Union.
Bleh, Union. I am kind of familiar with the one next to the bowling alley called Hott22. Try it and see if you make money is all I can say, but I don't recommend it as a long term thing because I heard the manager/owner is a douche and has crazy rules. I have not worked there, all I can say is be careful because that bowling alley has a reputation around the town for being shady and fights have happened there.
countcrabula
02-16-2014, 02:57 PM
North New Jersey from exit 4 alll the way down Lols
are you looking to do bikini or nude?
Chocolate Doll
02-16-2014, 03:30 PM
Sorry for not putting specifics -- bikini clubs
Starling
02-16-2014, 03:55 PM
Lookers in Elizabeth, NJ! I went there before (checked it out as a customer) and that place was cool. Definitely black girl friendly. No pole tricks really needed as far as I saw and a make it rain type of crowd. A mix of different girls, a lot were on the thicker side. It was fairly busy when I was there, and I believe this was on a Tuesday night.
Edit: It's a bikini club with a full bar.
AfrikanGeisha
02-27-2014, 07:07 PM
Ok so here's the deal girl when it comes to black girls in white clubs . Coming from a black girl who has been dancing for 5 years ... Have worked at some of the top clubs all over the U.S and made $$$ and also went to clubs and been told no ... First off yes there IS discrimination against black women in this industry and it sucks but you have to deal with it it's part of the game ... It is true a lot of clubs have a black girl quota and regardless of what you do or say or how you look , you won't get in. With that being said there's things you MUST DO in order to better your chances .. It's sad to say but there are double standards between black girls and non black girls in strip clubs .A basic average skinny blonde can come to audition in PJs with a ponytail and no make up and get hired .. Not us . Your Hair HAS to be on pointe ... Good long hair weave is important , no braids, dreads ,natural hair ... You HAVE TO BE IN SHAPE ... ... FlaT/ toned stomach . Toned body .. Or just skinny I'n general. Club managers usually don't like thick black women.. ... Even if your not really thick in black standards , you may be too thick for a white club ... Your nails should be done ... You should be dressed sexy , but classy. you need to go in with your makeup DONE ... If you don't know how ... Go on you tube and watch makeup tutorials clubs prefer non ghetto , well spoken ,well groomed , no tattoo ..very pretty ... They don't want to see the average " black girl .. They want Gabrielle union type ... Hope that helps
Chocolate Doll
02-27-2014, 07:29 PM
Hey thanks for the tips :) fortunately I have all the things listed going for me now is the time to go back out there and try my luck
countcrabula
03-01-2014, 10:55 AM
if you're willing to go nude i highly suggest the club i'm at; business had picked up nicely and they still desperately need girls, though it's not as desperate as before, lol. feel free to PM me for info.
she wolf
03-02-2014, 04:18 PM
i can't believe you havent gotten hired yet!? Are u telling the managers you're new? I lied and said I've dance before lol. Are coming off as closed off/ quiet? Are you smilling a lot and being engaging when meeting the managers? I just nod and smile and look happy but in my mind Im forgetting what they're saying/nervous lol Are you bombing the audition? My heels don't fit me and there's not floorwork so I just move sexy [im west indian so i have rhythm ^_^'] maybe post a pic of your done up look
Chocolate Doll
03-03-2014, 04:58 AM
Heyyy ladies so I have an audition at place called sunrise lounge....I haven't heard of them but I should just give it a shot ! -- thanks so much for all these tips I did tell 1-2 clubs I was new imma lie this time ! Lols because I go up there move slow few spins .....idk hopefully they don't pull out the worst music they have for me to dance to because that has been the pattern -_-
she wolf
03-03-2014, 03:15 PM
good luck and if you know you dance awkward maybe smoke some weed before u go or have a shot.
LaPatrona
03-04-2014, 04:06 PM
^^^ I highly recommend not to smoke weed before you go. You want to be concentrated, and you don't want them to have any suspicions that you do drugs.
Any who, I'm actually shock that you haven't got hire yet. You look absolutely amazing, and your hair looks nice as well. Do you go to auditions with confidence? Do you
smile? Are you shy?
Starling
03-04-2014, 04:25 PM
^^^ I highly recommend not to smoke weed before you go. You want to be concentrated, and you don't want them to have any suspicions that you do drugs.
^THANK YOU! I was thinking this but didn't say anything. I don't recommend getting drunk or high either. Even if you don't have a lot of rhythm on stage the customers probably won't even notice and you'll see a lot of girls who might not even do much on the stage l. I have seen girls basically walk around the stage and they do fine. Much of it is repetitive. If you start doing shots before you have to go up it can become habitual and I've seen it happen a lot. I also can't stand it when I have to deal with a drunk or high newbie nearby. Girls who have been around wil often get fucked up too and I can't stand them either because they're usually loud, drunk and embarrassing themselves or cause unnecessary drama since they're not sober. You'll want to keep track of the time and work on your sales lines and having an altered state of mind can make you lose track of these things and waste time.
Starling
03-04-2014, 04:32 PM
Also a couple of the clubs that the op mentioned, I am familiar with their management and they really do have a black girl quota. It sucks too because the op is good looking and I have seen girls with her build working at other clubs. Other than that one bikini club I mentioned earlier I am not sure where else in NJ she could work in.
LexyNYC
03-04-2014, 06:48 PM
The Palace in Passaic is the best club in Jersey for black girls. I haven't worked there since November-ish. I prefer NYC and the NY money so I quit after being there for like two weeks. Months prior to that, I was a house girl at the Palace for a year or so and back then, there was lots of money there. When I was there during that two week period, it was hit or miss. If you want to make $300 a day, it's great, if you expect $1000, don't bother. Perhaps it's picked up again since I left in November.
And unless things have changed, the Sunrise Lounge is a brothel so be careful.
LaPatrona
03-04-2014, 06:54 PM
Simply put: If you can't do the job sober, this is not the job for you. Just like Sannonet said, you might become very dependent till the point, you wont be able to dance without having a booze or being high. Is always better to be the sober one in a group of drunks. Sure you can have fun at work, but we're there to make money not to party.
Optimist
03-05-2014, 02:26 PM
Did u go in with lots of makeup and hair u know, drag queen like? Sexy outfit? If u did all of that and they said no maybe he doesn't think customers will like ur look..what about the new place in burlignton nj?
i can't believe you havent gotten hired yet!? Are u telling the managers you're new? I lied and said I've dance before lol. Are coming off as closed off/ quiet? Are you smilling a lot and being engaging when meeting the managers? I just nod and smile and look happy but in my mind Im forgetting what they're saying/nervous lol Are you bombing the audition? My heels don't fit me and there's not floorwork so I just move sexy [im west indian so i have rhythm ^_^'] maybe post a pic of your done up look
^^^ I highly recommend not to smoke weed before you go. You want to be concentrated, and you don't want them to have any suspicions that you do drugs.
Any who, I'm actually shock that you haven't got hire yet. You look absolutely amazing, and your hair looks nice as well. Do you go to auditions with confidence? Do you
smile? Are you shy?
An unfortunate phenomenon can happen on these threads. Posters can begin to blame the victim even after being told that clubs in the area are typically racist in their hiring practices. Check out the excerpt below to understand how/why this occurs.
I hope you have a breakthrough soon and get the great job you deserve hun! Don't give up! :hugs: :hugs:
{snip}http://www.laprogressive.com/whites-deny-racism/
Looking first at public opinion surveys just over the past fifteen years or so, roughly six in ten whites, by our own admission, adhere to at least one negative racial stereotype about blacks. According to a National Opinion Research Center survey in the early ’90s, over sixty percent of whites believe that blacks are generally lazier than other groups, 56% say that blacks are generally more prone to violence, and over half say that blacks are generally less intelligent than other groups (1). What makes these beliefs racist is that by assuming that blacks are more “prone” to violence and “less intelligent,” respondents are not merely signaling that blacks have higher crime rates, or score lower on various indicia of academic achievement–both of which are true, for reasons owing to the opportunity structure and the location of black communities relative to that structure–but instead are making assumptions about the inherent abilities and characters of black people.
A similar survey from 1993, conducted by the Anti-Defamation League, found that three in four whites accept as true at least one racist stereotype about African Americans, regarding such items as general laziness, propensity to criminality and violence, intelligence, or work ethic. And according to a 2001 survey, sixty percent of whites, approximately, admit that they believe at least one negative and racist stereotype of blacks: for example, that they are generally lazy, generally aggressive or violent, or prefer to live on welfare rather than work for a living (2). In fact, the belief in black preference for welfare over work is typically the most commonly believed of the stereotypes; this, despite the fact that only a very small percentage of African Americans–and for that matter, a minority of even poor African Americans–receive benefits from programs typically considered “welfare.”
Interestingly, whites often deny the importance of racism in determining the life chances of blacks, even as they give voice to beliefs that are themselves evidence of the very racial prejudice they deny. So, for instance, in one of the more respected opinion surveys from the 1990s, six in ten whites said that discrimination was less important in determining the position of blacks in society, than the “fact” that blacks “just don’t have the motivation or will power to pull themselves up out of poverty.”
But if most whites believe that blacks as a group are unmotivated or lazy, that is itself a racial generalization amounting to racism: ascribing a negative characterological trait to blacks as a group. Of course the irony should be apparent to all: on the one hand, whites are saying that blacks are lazy, but on the other they insist that racism–including the kind that holds African Americans in this low regard–would be of very little consequence to their ability to succeed; as if people imbued with that kind of bias would be able to fairly evaluate job applicants or students who were members of the presumed defective group!
Other studies stretching back nearly forty years have indicated a significant degree of white racial bias towards blacks, which we are almost always loath to acknowledge. But in one set of studies, when whites were told (falsely as it turns out) that they were hooked up to functioning lie detectors that would be able to ascertain if they were being dishonest when they claimed not to have any racist beliefs about blacks, they were far more likely to indicate biases up front. In other words, whites often deny our racial biases, even when those remain deeply ingrained. Research has suggested, for example, that many persons will feign a more liberal and non-prejudicial attitude than that to which they actually adhere, when asked questions about racial “others” on opinion surveys. Meaning that if roughly six in ten whites are willing to admit to serious anti-black prejudices of one form or another, the real percentages holding those beliefs are likely quite a bit larger.{snip}
she wolf
03-05-2014, 02:42 PM
I don't mean to blame her but shes been to like 1 million clubs. Either the weather's bad and they don't want to hire girls for non existent customers, she's too brown, too skinny, she comes off awkward [so smoke weed!! people take prescriptions but weed is the devil? lol wow ok] or you have bitch face [you look like you're frowny eventhough on the inside you're fine]
And race relations in late 80s to early 90s were shit maybe find some new relevant data
girl1015
03-05-2014, 03:27 PM
I don't mean to blame her but shes been to like 1 million clubs. Either the weather's bad and they don't want to hire girls for non existent customers, she's too brown, too skinny, she comes off awkward [so smoke weed!! people take prescriptions but weed is the devil? lol wow ok] or you have bitch face [you look like you're frowny eventhough on the inside you're fine]
And race relations in late 80s to early 90s were shit maybe find some new relevant data
Unfortunately the data shown above is still quite relevant in today's society. Truth be told if managers/owners don't want to hire you based on race instead of genuinely discerning if this INDIVIDUAL has earning potential at said club then that is racism. Why do people think because the U.S has a black president that racism has magically disappeared is beyond me.
KaraLynn
03-05-2014, 04:46 PM
Sadly the racism thing in strip clubs is a problem :( I've seen clubs with their "Black girl quotas" and will turn down a beautiful, well spoken, talented girl just because she's black. I don't understand it. I've heard managers try to justify it by saying they don't want it to turn into a "black club" and attract "drug dealer type clientele" even though having black girls doesn't mean that is going to happen. I think what type of clientele that goes into a club depends more on the neighborhood the club is in, that's just my two cents on that.
Anyway....to the original poster....I hope the club you auditioned at works out for you. You never know why clubs turn girls down......I hope you find something though. I've researched Jersey clubs when I was supposed to be moving to the area and it looks like most of the clubs in the North Jersey have no problem hiring women of color. You probably just happened to hit the wrong clubs (I've had that happen to me too.....in an area of 50 clubs I hit the 3 that didn't want me first) If Newark isn't too far for you most of the reviews for the clubs were listed as "black clubs" and they're bikini so that could be an option. (I am not sure about the cleanliness of the clubs though) so I think you'd have to check them out yourself.
Optimist
03-05-2014, 05:26 PM
I don't mean to blame her but shes been to like 1 million clubs. Either the weather's bad and they don't want to hire girls for non existent customers, she's too brown, too skinny, she comes off awkward [so smoke weed!! people take prescriptions but weed is the devil? lol wow ok] or you have bitch face [you look like you're frowny eventhough on the inside you're fine]
And race relations in late 80s to early 90s were shit maybe find some new relevant data
Sweetheart, your posts are all the data necessary. You can take a look at your condescending line of questioning and the absurd conclusions you've jumped to at her expense (again) and see you've proven the point. You've in effect said that it's her fault or.....it's her fault. Your denial is obvious. It's also obvious you aren't really ready for a frank discussion on racial quotas.
CuriousSeeker
03-05-2014, 06:08 PM
I live in PA so I could just venture over to the city if nj isn't looking like a Go
Would you consider working in Philly? Maybe it's possible to get hired somewhere and swoop in a couple times a month so that you get time also with the bf in NY?
Starling
03-05-2014, 08:29 PM
Optimist I love your posts.
Its true, people can say what they want about black girls and the hiring process, but a lot of it really comes down to race. People get all flustered and bewildered that it possibly COULDN'T be about race, but it is.
I usually get on well with management in the clubs I've worked in. I won't mention which clubs these are but club owners and management have openly told me that they prefer not to put a lot of black girls on shift. One said because they're ghetto. Another one said he didn't want to hire them because he didn't want customers to think the club was a ghetto club. Anyway this was the trend I noticed and it wasn't just from a couple of people at a couple of clubs.
She wolf didn't you just post a month or two ago that you are new and just starting to dance? And just because there are people out there who are prescribed on some sort of medication doesn't mean that they are using it as a crutch...such as having to get an altered state of mind to have the courage to dance on stage. No one here mentioned that weed is the devil (or prescriptions for that matter), but its better off if the op doesn't have to rely on those things to dance.
she wolf
03-06-2014, 01:49 AM
Sweetheart, your posts are all the data necessary. You can take a look at your condescending line of questioning and the absurd conclusions you've jumped to at her expense (again) and see you've proven the point. You've in effect said that it's her fault or.....it's her fault. Your denial is obvious. It's also obvious you aren't really ready for a frank discussion on racial quotas.
Don't patronize me with 'sweetheart' first of all. My line of questioning is to help her by giving common reasons she wouldn't get hired; not blame her specifically! All she can do is improve herself so if what I posted helped change something that leads to being hired then great! She can only change herself. Some irrelevant 80s data isn't going to get her hired tomorrow. Clubs are racist...No sh!t..no denial here..She wants to get hired now..wtf cares about racial data when this thread is about finding a NJ club...talk about condescending..."well according to this 90s study whites think blacks..blah blah..
she wolf
03-06-2014, 01:52 AM
Why do people think because the U.S has a black president that racism has magically disappeared is beyond me.
You know what happens when you assume...
she wolf
03-06-2014, 01:57 AM
Simply put: If you can't do the job sober, this is not the job for you. Just like Sannonet said, you might become very dependent till the point, you wont be able to dance without having a booze or being high. Is always better to be the sober one in a group of drunks. Sure you can have fun at work, but we're there to make money not to party.
if you're naturally prone to anxiety then what job should you have? Ohhh that's right pop that xanax...
she wolf
03-06-2014, 02:12 AM
Optimist I love your posts.
Its true, people can say what they want about black girls and the hiring process, but a lot of it really comes down to race. People get all flustered and bewildered that it possibly COULDN'T be about race, but it is.
I usually get on well with management in the clubs I've worked in. I won't mention which clubs these are but club owners and management have openly told me that they prefer not to put a lot of black girls on shift. One said because they're ghetto. Another one said he didn't want to hire them because he didn't want customers to think the club was a ghetto club. Anyway this was the trend I noticed and it wasn't just from a couple of people at a couple of clubs.
She wolf didn't you just post a month or two ago that you are new and just starting to dance? And just because there are people out there who are prescribed on some sort of medication doesn't mean that they are using it as a crutch...such as having to get an altered state of mind to have the courage to dance on stage. No one here mentioned that weed is the devil (or prescriptions for that matter), but its better off if the op doesn't have to rely on those things to dance.
Yes I'm new? I agree if you have daily anxiety pop those pills or smoke some weed if you can't afford medication. 1 is not better than the other. My point is that if you live with anxiety then you'll have anxiety with any job you take. So to say "if you can't do this sober then this isn't the job for you" is utter b.s. And if you don't have anxiety I would take your opinion [not you specifically] with a very little grain of salt...It seems like on 1 hand you're saying people who use meds aren't using them as a crutch but on the other hand you shouldn't use them to have the courage to dance? Which is it because I could easily remove dance and put work retail..answer telephones..waitress..bartend..I mean it's all performance, sales and customer service at the end of day. And a lot of people with anxiety use weed/meds just to get to the 'normal' that people without disorders feel.
AfrikanGeisha
03-06-2014, 03:33 AM
Thank you !!!
Starling
03-06-2014, 04:55 AM
wtf cares about racial data when this thread is about finding a NJ club...talk about condescending..."well according to this 90s study whites think blacks..blah blah..
Well the clubs in NJ I have worked in DO have a bias when it comes to hiring black girls...
Yes I'm new? I agree if you have daily anxiety pop those pills or smoke some weed if you can't afford medication. 1 is not better than the other. My point is that if you live with anxiety then you'll have anxiety with any job you take. So to say "if you can't do this sober then this isn't the job for you" is utter b.s. And if you don't have anxiety I would take your opinion [not you specifically] with a very little grain of salt...It seems like on 1 hand you're saying people who use meds aren't using them as a crutch but on the other hand you shouldn't use them to have the courage to dance? Which is it because I could easily remove dance and put work retail..answer telephones..waitress..bartend..I mean it's all performance, sales and customer service at the end of day. And a lot of people with anxiety use weed/meds just to get to the 'normal' that people without disorders feel.
If that is how you really feel you should talk to someone about using different coping mechanisms before having to use any sort of drug. I've recently come across a high stress job and I wish it were as easy as dancing is. I could just go right back to smoking again to cope with the stress, but I don't. There are other ways to manage anxiety without having a chemical dependence.
countcrabula
03-06-2014, 06:45 AM
as another (veteran) NJ dancer, i can also confirm many clubs in NJ have racial quotas. the girl is fit and good looking, seems to have a friendly demeanor, and can spell properly on this board. i am highly inclined to believe the problem is racism versus anything she's doing inappropriately.
regarding marijuana use/alcohol use: these drugs can also CAUSE anxiety, and are not usually prescribed with the safety of medical supervision. in my experience, dancers who NEED to use these items (specifically alcohol, not so much on the weed) at some point begin to start abusing them. this is not always the case, of course, but i've seen it happen more often than not. benzos also tend to be abused even with medical supervision. i think we would all just prefer a new dancer to start off on the RIGHT foot, instead of using a crutch (if she can).
regarding what you think is common sense: i also would be a bit LESS inclined to take "common sense" advice from an individual who needed to ask whether or not she should get in a car with a stranger from craig's list.
and finally, regarding what this post is mainly about--clubs in NJ--i still recommend the palace, as well as breathless, for a bikini bar, but am more seasoned in the nude scene and cannot comment further. but i do hope the OP will keep us posted, as i will on my adventures for my fellow NJ sisters.
she wolf
03-06-2014, 11:17 AM
as another (veteran) NJ dancer, i can also confirm many clubs in NJ have racial quotas. the girl is fit and good looking, seems to have a friendly demeanor, and can spell properly on this board. i am highly inclined to believe the problem is racism versus anything she's doing inappropriately.
regarding marijuana use/alcohol use: these drugs can also CAUSE anxiety, and are not usually prescribed with the safety of medical supervision. in my experience, dancers who NEED to use these items (specifically alcohol, not so much on the weed) at some point begin to start abusing them. this is not always the case, of course, but i've seen it happen more often than not. benzos also tend to be abused even with medical supervision. i think we would all just prefer a new dancer to start off on the RIGHT foot, instead of using a crutch (if she can).
regarding what you think is common sense: i also would be a bit LESS inclined to take "common sense" advice from an individual who needed to ask whether or not she should get in a car with a stranger from craig's list.
and finally, regarding what this post is mainly about--clubs in NJ--i still recommend the palace, as well as breathless, for a bikini bar, but am more seasoned in the nude scene and cannot comment further. but i do hope the OP will keep us posted, as i will on my adventures for my fellow NJ sisters.
I see where you got your screenname from..you're a real charmer throwing my old post in my face and taking it out of context.
Regarding weed w/e not everyone can afford the asinine prices just to see a doctor and then get referred by said doctor to a psychiatrist who will then require more visits before you you even get your rx. In the mean time I suggest weed before you can get your legal chemical fix.
At the end of the day no one on this board is paying this girls bills so if she has to rob, lie or cheat [figuratively] to get a job then that is what she needs to do and the moral police can step off. And for the last time I never accused her of doing something inappropriate! I asked her and then gave some ideas/tips because sitting on her hands and claiming racism while convenient again won't pay her bills.
she wolf
03-06-2014, 11:34 AM
Well the clubs in NJ I have worked in DO have a bias when it comes to hiring black girls...
If that is how you really feel you should talk to someone about using different coping mechanisms before having to use any sort of drug. I've recently come across a high stress job and I wish it were as easy as dancing is. I could just go right back to smoking again to cope with the stress, but I don't. There are other ways to manage anxiety without having a chemical dependence.
Yeah me and a million other anxiety suffers feel that way! We're talking about coping skills...I've gone my whole life w/o any meds for my problems and never tried drugs or alcohol until my 20s. What coping skills are you suggesting? Count to ten?..breathing? LOL Yoga and pilates while effective for all about an hour doesn't stop the constant feeling of you're about to go on a job interview. And stress goes away anxiety doesn't, if you had it you'd know. Besides CBT which cost money most ppl don't have weed is the next best thing
LaPatrona
03-06-2014, 06:25 PM
I'm sure She wolf knows that there's a lot racism in the industry, and I'm very aware myself. But just like She Wolf said "sitting on her hands and claiming racism while convenient again won't pay her bills". I'm all for bringing variety to clubs, but right now there's really nothing OP can do, I doubt she can sue the clubs for not hiring her, since they will deny that it was because of her race, and it would be somewhat hard to prove.
So what do we do now, give OP tips to better herself and make herself a more desirable candidate or tell her, "the industry is racist, there's nothing you can do, bye". The true is OP is looking for a job now and she needs to pay her bills. While I invite people to propose ideas to help black dancers, right now we're trying to get OP a job at a NJ club.
Some colleges have a racial student quota, so what do Asian students do? They try their very best to excel, so they can stand out amount other Asian students. They do tons of extra curricular activities, learn many types of instruments, learn foreign languages etc. Yes it sucks. It really sucks that you have to work so much harder because of your race. But right now that's reality. To OP don't lose hope because little by little is getting better, and more people are becoming aware of this injustice. And bettering yourself, even though you don't really need to, it will put you ahead of the game.
For example in the state of California is illegal to have a racial quota, hence high percentage of Asian students in California institute of technology and other colleges. So there's space for a change, but it will take time.
I agree with both of you, yes racism is there and is the main factor, but what can OP do at this exact moment?
We're not blaming her, we all have said she looks amazing. We're trying to work on the details to make her stand out. We don't know how OP acts, or style herself, so we're asking questions. Is this were to happen to a white or hispanic dancer we would be asking similar questions to help her.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2011-12-03/asian-students-college-applications/51620236/1
Optimist
03-06-2014, 07:06 PM
I'm sure She wolf knows that there's a lot racism in the industry, and I'm very aware myself. But just like She Wolf said "sitting on her hands and claiming racism while convenient again won't pay her bills". I'm all for bringing variety to clubs, but right now there's really nothing OP can do, I doubt she can sue the clubs for not hiring her, since they will deny that it was because of her race, and it would be somewhat hard to prove.
So what do we do now, give OP tips to better herself and make herself a more desirable candidate or tell her, "the industry is racist, there's nothing you can do, bye". The true is OP is looking for a job now and she needs to pay her bills. While I invite people to propose ideas to help black dancers, right now we're trying to get OP a job at a NJ club.
Some colleges have a racial student quota, so what do Asian students do? They try their very best to excel, so they can stand out amount other Asian students. They do tons of extra curricular activities, learn many types of instruments, learn foreign languages etc. Yes it sucks. It really sucks that you have to work so much harder because of your race. But right now that's reality. To OP don't lose hope because little by little is getting better, and more people are becoming aware of this injustice. And bettering yourself, even though you don't really need to, it will put you ahead of the game.
For example in the state of California is illegal to have a racial quota, hence high percentage of Asian students in California institute of technology and other colleges. So there's space for a change, but it will take time.
I agree with both of you, yes racism is there and is the main factor, but what can OP do at this exact moment?
We're not blaming her, we all have said she looks amazing. We're trying to work on the details to make her stand out. We don't know how OP acts, or style herself, so we're asking questions. Is this were to happen to a white or hispanic dancer we would be asking similar questions to help her.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2011-12-03/asian-students-college-applications/51620236/1
You have no idea what she wolf thinks beyond what she wolf has expressed. It's better not to be an apologist for another poster because it creates drama and promotes off topic bickering. So while you state you want to help the OP it is best to speak on your own behalf and leave aside mind reading and putting words into another poster's mouth.
LaPatrona
03-06-2014, 07:14 PM
^^^ I actually quoted her word for word and if you read her previous post in this thread she says she's fully aware of racism.
Optimist
03-06-2014, 07:33 PM
Yeah, the back and forth on another poster's issue that has already been addressed with that poster is what I was getting at. Once again, it's not for you to come on the thread to fight over an issue that isn't yours. Feel free to give suggestions to the OP and only the OP. Anything you'd like to ask in pm you are welcome to.
Oh BTW, feel free to start a thread about racism in the clubs to go further in depth on the issue if you like. The subject is a ripe one.
LaPatrona
03-06-2014, 07:49 PM
^^^^ This is an open thread and anyone can come in and comment. I already commented on the issue before you started posting on this thread, and it doesn't take away your merit to post, I honestly don't see what's your issue here, and this wont stop me from commenting on whatever I feel like. If you wanted to have a private conversation with a particular user an open thread is not the best way to go about it. And I'm sure I did nothing against this website rules.
Thank you for the suggestion, but no need to post ANOTHER thread about it, for example this one about black dancers in upscale clubs (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?33969-Black-dancers-in-Upscale-gentlemen-s-clubs) discusses the issue in depth. There's plenty of others similar threads, no need to start another one specially when there's many people who're highly very sensitive to this subject.
Oh and by the way, you quoted my post, on your long post talking about racism and blaming the victim. So don't act like I just came out of nowhere. And people who come out of nowhere are welcome to post here as well and comment on anything written here. I wasn't putting words on anyones mouth since I quoted.
Starling
03-06-2014, 09:17 PM
Yeah its an open thread, but the original topic has derailed now and the thread will turn into a bitchfest if it keeps going the way it is. And one of the site rules is not to be annoying. I'm not kidding about that last part, its listed there.
Anyway good luck in finding a club chocolate doll! Try Lookers if you can, I've heard decent things and its bikini only.
tempest666
03-08-2014, 05:38 AM
^ Holy fucking shit dude!! You shouldn't have any issues getting hired ANYWHERE! I don't care what color you are, hot is hot!! So not what I was expecting too!
It's sad but even tiny ass dives have race quotas. My buddy K is a skinny hot black chick but I have to "smuggle" her in the back door so to speak. I was told by mgr A to bring her to mgr B and vice versa. This has been going on for almost 2 months!!