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Morrigan
01-31-2014, 10:27 AM
if I was setting this up, Id honestly have taken way more time to put it together, a ton of research, and looked into other conventions.. Which being a geek that I am means PAX, SDCC/ECCC/DC conventions and how they set up their sign up for special guests vs merchants , and all that would remain utterly internal and ONLY if they were buying booth space. Id want to have panels and such too- which would also mean special invites etc .
It honestly wouldn't take much effort to have a set up entirely more streamlined and professional for ANYONE half paying attention to any form of convention. Hell the first Brony con was thrown together by some random MLP fan, and THAT netted thousands as well as many of the voice actors, writers and such to attend.
cherryblossomsinspring
01-31-2014, 10:55 AM
does anyone know the models that are tweeting about it? I stay in my circle.
I just read the experience at fetish con held by clips4sale... damn
Ohh was it that bad?
I saw the tweet about CamCon too. Saw the twitter feed saying that it hasn't been confirmed and they go " you called lol?" I thought wtf is that about? Seriously?
Also models are already tweeting about it which to me says " DANGER". Enough people jump in and if it's fake people are going to get scammed hard. Especially if several top models get in on it? Plus their fans? Wow this could blow up bad.
KatyBoleyn
01-31-2014, 11:25 AM
Ohh was it that bad?
I saw the tweet about CamCon too. Saw the twitter feed saying that it hasn't been confirmed and they go " you called lol?" I thought wtf is that about? Seriously?
Also models are already tweeting about it which to me says " DANGER". Enough people jump in and if it's fake people are going to get scammed hard. Especially if several top models get in on it? Plus their fans? Wow this could blow up bad.
The previous guy to try this, David G DeGeus of DeeGoo LLC registered in Utah, made off with $51,000 according to his tax return by calling it "donations to the Cammodel Family Foundation" chaired by him and his wife. Now he's trying to sell the camgirlMAD.com domain name on Ebay for $250,000.
I honestly think that in this case its just a matter of complete incompetence and a thinly hidden agenda, not necessarily scam artists. Somehow I don't think these guys are clever enough to cleanly make off with the money if they try to run.
Sabihah
01-31-2014, 11:29 AM
Now he's trying to sell the camgirlMAD.com domain name on Ebay for $250,000.
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MellyMay
02-01-2014, 11:58 AM
Ok ladies and gentlemen-who-might-be-creepin'-or-are-nice-but-we-have-no-idea-and-therefore-want-some-modicum-of-security:
;D;D
IT'S FEBRUARY 1ST, Y'ALL!!!
Shall we check out the site we've been anxiously awaiting?
Well, lo and behold, is that Paypal I see?
Sweet heavens. This is almost the biggest punchline ever.
KatyBoleyn
02-01-2014, 12:14 PM
$3500 for complete license to stalk a model throughout the entire 4 days.
or $150 to come drool on your favorite model.
PayPal bb? Promise no scam bb!
Question though because I honestly don't know, are these price points normal for this sort of thing?
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2014, 12:21 PM
These guys are funny! They just tweeted a models pic and said hope to see you at camming con . LMAO then submitted a link to sponsor her. Uhmmmm shouldn't they see if she wants to go first? "Get the money Get the money"
VictoriaChaos
02-01-2014, 12:38 PM
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MellyMay
02-01-2014, 12:50 PM
I tweeted asking if paypal will be the only form of payment as PP is strictly against adult stuff. they said there will be other options. none specified thus far. they're still "Setting things up & testing" (no lol in this reply though! progress?)
Well, I think the SM summer mansion would be rad. hopefully a west coast event pops up....or vegas.
KatyBoleyn
02-01-2014, 01:09 PM
I posted in verified a whole list of things wrong with their PayPal scheme. Probably the biggest one is it would take just one camgirl to trade a Skype show for a "donation" and that account is hosed.
I did notice that these girls, at least the first few, aren't in any of my camming circles. I just assumed they were pornstars with camming side jobs...which seems to be about the "tone" of this party. Its all fine and well for the XXX Napoleons, but what about us high social anxiety types or any of us without "mainstream" marketing potential? I see nothing that suggests the BDSM, fetish, BBW, MILF, tranny, or any other niche would be overly welcome. They're targeting just the college girl types.
MellyMay
02-01-2014, 01:11 PM
^truest fact of all true facts.
Morrigan
02-01-2014, 01:17 PM
Question though because I honestly don't know, are these price points normal for this sort of thing?
I have no idea in the " adult entertainment side"
but a point of reference.
San Diego Comic Con. one of the largets highest grossing cons in the world loaded with hundreds of thousands of people vendors, artists, writers, directors shit ton of main stream celebs in near endless panels ....
$200 per person for a 4 day pass
use to be $175
KatyBoleyn
02-01-2014, 01:19 PM
We did Kinky Kollege last year, 3 days in the Hilton in a good part of Chicago with 12 "classes" and plenty of security and monitored play areas. Total cost for us as a couple was about $800.
MellyMay
02-01-2014, 01:21 PM
I think they don't realize that sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo many chicks will stay elsewhere.
Morrigan
02-01-2014, 01:22 PM
was that including stay? I never bothered figuring out the comicon cost when you factor everything else in, since they dont have package deals that Im aware of that include hotel... Emerald city- which is the seattle one is like 75 for three days so even then, that much for an untested thing seems a little high on all accounts
MellyMay
02-01-2014, 01:30 PM
was that including stay? I never bothered figuring out the comicon cost when you factor everything else in, since they dont have package deals that Im aware of that include hotel... Emerald city- which is the seattle one is like 75 for three days so even then, that much for an untested thing seems a little high on all accounts
Well, It's still a bit unclear from the site. I imagine if it's still being worked on, this might not even be the right info in a few days. who knows. But this is the package listed when dudes sponser a model. I just assumed that this is the price to pay for a model's stay & registration in addition to their own, with these added perks:
Pre Event Camming Con information package
- 4 Days in South Beach
- Luxury accommodations at The Oceanfront Eden Roc Hotel
- Continental Breakfast Daily
- Welcome Reception with Champagne toast
- VIP Event at South Beach Superclubs Friday and Saturday
- Complete access to “Fan Day” Including live Autograph and Picture Signing by your favorite Models
- Complimentary Beach Towels and Chairs
- Late Check Out
- Complimentary Internet / WiFi
- Complete access to Industry Day exhibits and breakout sessions
However, why would fans be at Industry Day? Then it's just another fan day.... hmmm. It really doesn't say what the models get when sponsored.
KatyBoleyn
02-01-2014, 01:33 PM
At the Hilton at least, you pay them separately for your room, you just use your convention code to get a better room rate.
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Those rates are per person, for both the model and the fan. Fans that pay the 3500 or whatever get full access to everything the same as models. Basically, for $7000+travel he gets a full 3-4 days "date" with you because the what else would he care about the breakout sessions and whatnot. He does get a beach towel and a chair, so that's a bonus. I guess if he's a total creeper you could just hide in the "make-up lounge" for 3 days.
caramelcraze
02-01-2014, 02:14 PM
Has anyone tried reporting their PayPal yet? Might as well shut them down and save the lot of us.
Nocturnelle
02-01-2014, 09:29 PM
Ummm, so someone named Stacey Havoc followed me on twitter. I guess she's a model who's promoting the "event". She sent me a DM asking to send more photos?? Like.. Are they really trying to get nude photos of me?
Legit my ass.
TheBrownFox
02-01-2014, 09:33 PM
Ummm, so someone named Stacey Havoc followed me on twitter. I guess she's a model who's promoting the "event". She sent me a DM asking to send more photos?? Like.. Are they really trying to get nude photos of me?
Legit my ass.
That reminds me of the "photographers" on Craigslist (who were really just pic collectors) who'd always respond to your e-mails by saying "Nice. Can you send more photos?"
Nocturnelle
02-01-2014, 09:34 PM
@StaceyHavoc she has a lot of followers but something doesn't sound right.
Email from her:
Stacey Havoc <
[email protected]>
3:44 PM (6 hours ago)
to me
Hey Alexis :) Can you send me a few more of pics of you for CammingCon.com Thanks!
KatyBoleyn
02-01-2014, 09:54 PM
It looks like she's a reality TV star/PBtv host from Miami. I think she's signed on board in some way and they're using her Twitter account for publicity and to be a "legitimate face" of camming. I'm thinking there's a few cammodel accounts that were rented or sold to them in the same way.
Traditional porn studios broadcasting live shows on the internet does not make the models "cammodels." This is starting to look like a half-baked play by Mannwin/Playboy to appear as the spokespeople for this "brand new cutting edge adult industry."
MellyMay
02-01-2014, 11:09 PM
OK, so, this evening I hung out w/ another PBtv girl and I asked her about it. she's asking around for me with my various questions....
takiaya
02-02-2014, 08:21 AM
It looks like she's a reality TV star/PBtv host from Miami. I think she's signed on board in some way and they're using her Twitter account for publicity and to be a "legitimate face" of camming. I'm thinking there's a few cammodel accounts that were rented or sold to them in the same way.
Traditional porn studios broadcasting live shows on the internet does not make the models "cammodels." This is starting to look like a half-baked play by Mannwin/Playboy to appear as the spokespeople for this "brand new cutting edge adult industry."
Even half-baked it is starting to seem more and more like a real con, and not just a ploy to steal $ as some of you thought.
Sabihah
02-02-2014, 09:21 AM
Even half-baked it is starting to seem more and more like a real con, and not just a ploy to steal $ as some of you thought.
The line between "very poorly organized" and "scam" is blurrier than you might think. Event staff/budgets/arrangements can go belly-up at the drop of a hat, and then it's anyone's bet whether they'll ever see their money again.
My prediction is that the event *will* happen, but not at the Eden Roc - and if it does take place there, it'll be crammed into a few low-foot-traffic conference rooms. For a model, it'll be like being on the NYC subway - in your underwear - in a car packed to the gills with cam customers who believe that the hundreds or thousands they paid to attend entitles them to who knows what. Unless the con can buy out virtually the entire hotel during peak season (that's 631 rooms and 96 suites, plus the meeting areas), there's no way the management will want a bunch of adult entertainers mingling with the families who're staying there for unrelated reasons. That's precisely how rooms get comped and bad reviews get sprinkled over the internet.
Where it'll happen, how much it'll cost the models, and whether the security will be sufficient to keep everyone safe is totally up in the air. Frankly, unless you're planning on escorting or have your own website/product to promote, why go?
KatyBoleyn
02-02-2014, 09:59 AM
Tthe agenda is slowly coming out that this is a very one-sided event in favor of models from a specific site and of a specific body type. Basically, "real" cammodels are going to be paying some heavy money for the privilege of being background noise in a manufactured Playboy.tv PR stunt. If the organizers are PB.tv producers, what do you think the video footage will show after what hits the editing room floor?
If you just want to meet and chill out with other cammodels, you can do so for a fraction of the cost and with much better security.
I'll digress if I see any hint that SM, MFC, IMLive, or even CB or LJ getting in on this deal. Scams take many forms.
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You know, SM is in Seattle...which is lovely in June...just something about the background haze...
Via Flaminia
02-02-2014, 11:44 AM
Thank you everyone for keeping the discussion open about this event, and I really appreciate each of you for putting in time & effort to get information (and for getting past the twitter lol's and other crap that has me just.....giving my computer these incredulous looks).
In my own way I am protective of everyone here, and taking advantage of camgirls...... Too many scumbags out there (not that I'm referring to anyone specific...yet). We all deserve maximum return on investment for any travel, appearances, etc. Above all, maximum safety and security, too. Getting together with other camgirls would be fun, but I'd be worried some dude would follow us and listen to our conversations.
kortneykay
02-02-2014, 02:01 PM
The FAQs say it's $3,500 for a model to attend. *cough* huh?
http://cammingcon.com/assets/docs/SponsorFAQ.pdf
Sabihah
02-02-2014, 02:07 PM
The FAQs say it's $3,500 for a model to attend. *cough* huh?
http://cammingcon.com/assets/docs/SponsorFAQ.pdf
I wonder if the models who've already thrown their hats in the ring know this.
kortneykay
02-02-2014, 02:13 PM
So if a guy sponsors you and pulls out, or doesn't pay full, the model has to. I still don't get it... what's the point of paying $4k to go to a hotel for 3 days just to promote yourself? If I'm not going to get those coins back x 3, there would be no point.
Sabihah
02-02-2014, 02:21 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that the girls who sign up of their own volition are subsidizing the ones who've been selected in advance and are probably being paid to attend/host, just like the cam customers buying tickets.
If I've got a guy willing to drop $3500 on me, MFC can take their cut and I want the rest. $1750+ in pocket is worth a lot more to me than a three-day party with a bunch of wasted custies.
cherryblossomsinspring
02-02-2014, 05:48 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that the girls who sign up of their own volition are subsidizing the ones who've been selected in advance and are probably being paid to attend/host, just like the cam customers buying tickets.
If I've got a guy willing to drop $3500 on me, MFC can take their cut and I want the rest. $1750+ in pocket is worth a lot more to me than a three-day party with a bunch of wasted custies.
You forgot to add... "wasted custies that want to fuck you". lol
Seriously I can do with $3500 in my pocket instead of jumping around a bunch of guys that probably spend no more than 20 tokens a week. I mean after a guy forks over that kinda cash do we really want to assume that he's not going to want a souvenir for his umm "trouble". Plus the hotel set up?
I even noticed they added models to their line up just after they tweet "I'm going". lol This whole thing seems so unprofessional especially with the price tag.
Think about getting even 100 top model fans to sponsor and next thing you know you've basically cashed in on $350,000.
Still if this is an actual "con" job it's a smart one. They launched the ticket sales right around SuperBowl so it's the right amount of distraction and confusion a con job like this would need.
JaneBurgess
02-03-2014, 12:40 PM
That rate is insane. You can attend other shows that are more put together for a fraction on that cost. The hotel rates are between $200 to $300 a night at that hotel. Even with food and events that rate is jacked way to high. It should be more around $1500 to attend. They are scamming people with that rate and if they did work in adult, they would know PP is a no no.
Sabihah
02-03-2014, 01:20 PM
I tweeted at them and they replied that there would be other packages available. Still, we're supposed to be the draw in the first place and a portion of the ticket sales should be used to pay for the privilege of having us there. I find it very difficult to believe that each model actually costs them anywhere near $3500.
audritwo
02-03-2014, 02:06 PM
A fetcon model ticket is $40 bucks right now.
takiaya
02-03-2014, 10:38 PM
The FAQs say it's $3,500 for a model to attend. *cough* huh?
http://cammingcon.com/assets/docs/SponsorFAQ.pdf
WTF? Thats just the cost of staying at the hotel and your ticket as well. $3500 doesn't include getting down there or feeding yourself it says.
Er on second thought, maybe I will attend Fetish Con, I'm sure I can get a bodyguard and a concealed weapon permit much plus pay for the con and feel much safer at fetish con this year and it not run me quite as much...
Tsani
02-03-2014, 11:32 PM
Y'all may want to keep checking the home page of this event if you've so much as tweeted them showing the slightest hint of interest because they seem to be putting girls up there as "will be there" even if they haven't confirmed with them that they're coming.
They seem to have a habit of that don't they?
I think I would laugh my ass off if they ended up not having ANY girls there because all of the ones that they promised the attendees would be there never actually confirmed they were indeed going.
takiaya
02-04-2014, 08:38 AM
I tweeted them about the cost as well, they replied back that $3500 was vip models attendance price, I replied back and said they should fix their FAQ page then because thats what it says all models cost is. Supposedly the other prices for non-vip models are suppose to be on their site later this week. They are supposedly just now adjusting the ticket prices 0.0 36306 XD they really should have sorted all these things out before they opened registration...seems like they are trying to throw it all together as people sign up. I also find it odd that with all this interest they speak of I gained a crap ton more twitter followers this week compared to them..and I dont have top site models, porn companies, and tons of $ like they supposidely do to promote
Sam38g
02-04-2014, 11:24 AM
LMAO $3500 to be constantly sexually harassed. Hell, I can go to Walmart & get that for FREE!
This will not make you money. They will not have the fan base turn out to make it a success for the models. Remember BBW Fanfest, Yes I said "Remember" cause it no longer will be held anymore. 100 bbws did show up, fans maybe 20... It did NOT deliver on their promise to make bbws more many stream or get them legit jobs. Models did NOT make money off of selling autographed pics & dvds. It was a FLOP!
The Porn industry is full of con artist & ex-cons. So I don't care how much experience in the porn biz they may have. There are many different shows these days, like xbiz, avn, glamourcon, fetishcon, exxxotica & such. No surprise that more will pop up in the future trying to make that business model work for them.
It is NOW well known that camming is the ONLY thing in porn making money. So now the con artist & maybe even so-called legit people in porn want in on that now. Finally they have figured out that DVDs are dead & most of them missed the boat with the web out in LA.
Only two I can recommend is xbiz, cause real biz can be done there if you want to go beyond camming. Fetishcon, well because men running around in skirts looking like trolls from middle earth cracks me the fuck up. Plus I like the furries. I go to see the freak show & I get my monies worth from it in pics I can take with the freaks & post on twitter. LOL Not downing the freaks & there choices to let their freaks flag fly, because of my boobs I am a freak of nature that people stare at all year round.
Now, this is a business. You must look at it from an economic point of view. Will the money you spend attending such events put more of it in your pocket? Most of the time the answer is NO. It is an ego booster to go & have men aka fans recognize & fawn all over you. All of you realize the men aka fans go to get laid, they have this fantasy in their head you go to finally get to fuck all of them. That it will be an orgy with the gals all going crazy for their cocks finally. LMAO Even the creepy guys who go to event after event hope against hope that this will be the time they get fucked by hot gals.
Realistically you dont need events like these to get ahead or be popular on cam.
Some of you notice they have a type they are tweeting & trying to get. Come on, don't feel slighted if you are not that girl but lucky. It is a perv trying to get laid, plain & simple. It is a man trying to use this event to feel important & impress a girl they hope will fall for the BS & fuck them too.
There is no difference between a fan boy or a so-called professional in porn for the most part. I've met most of the owners of major site, directors, male talent & such. Trust me most of them are just as creepy if not more so than the fans. There are a few who pretend to be different until they get you alone, then the creepy guy pulling down his pants cause he thinks we are all in the biz & girls owe them sex.
What I have liked in the past is the southern-charm gals getting together & shooting content on a regular basis around the country. And it is nice to see that some of the girls here trying to do that. But remember, a husband/camera guy/boyfriend/pimp will inevitably be there too. So be aware, be careful & be safe. Those guys will try to fuck all the girls or crawl into your bed when you least suspect it. Some of you will think, not my man, LOL yes he will.
Good Luck,
Sam
JaneBurgess
02-04-2014, 07:56 PM
Flirt4Free does a performer event each year that looks like a lot of fun. http://www.payoutmag.com/index.php/press-releases/274-video-secrets-second-annual-flirt-summit-in-jamaica-a-huge-success
punker_barbie
02-05-2014, 11:36 AM
The FAQs say it's $3,500 for a model to attend. *cough* huh?
http://cammingcon.com/assets/docs/SponsorFAQ.pdf
That is weird. We exhibit at all Exxotica's, Avn, and adultcon every year. Its unheard of to charge the model that much. Normally the company will pay to exhibit and its free for models to come and promote themselves at the booth. To charge the model that much is really odd. Needless to say I did e-mail Clinton asking for more information.
Camigirl
02-05-2014, 03:22 PM
Not sure what guys read this forum so I can say I am on their site as being with CB, which I am. Won't say here if I am going or not, don't need a creeper around.
Guess I have a sponsor? Not sure how else this would work to get in. Safety is the most important part of anything with customers around IRL.
I am not even near as young as any of the performers etc. But my personality rocks, and I look good. I live in south Florida, so will see at the door or in the parking lot what is going down. I will not be alone.
MellyMay
02-05-2014, 06:55 PM
LMAO $3500 to be constantly sexually harassed. Hell, I can go to Walmart & get that for FREE!
Realistically you dont need events like these to get ahead or be popular on cam.
Srsly. Like, the main reason I was even thinking it might maybe potentially fractionally just barely be worthwhile was because I want to meet other CGs. Having a dude drool on you in person guarantees NOTHING about them actually a) being your custie b) checking out your cam in the future.
I am not about to pay $3500 (or even try to get a sponsor for that amt) to not even have an impact on traffic.
Sabihah
03-05-2014, 07:19 AM
Just bumping this to note that they suddenly quit updating their twitter and facebook feeds about about a week ago. It's premature to suggest this thing is dead in the water, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first sign of the collapse.
temptingmodel
03-05-2014, 07:53 AM
^^^ I think the first sign of the collapse was when it made here.
WARNING lol if a company/venue/project/ANYONE is bashed via sw, they will not survive.
This place is a cult environment AND WILL PROTECT THEIR OWN at all cost:D
awesome update, I forgot 100% about them
smaddy
03-05-2014, 01:12 PM
I'm hesitant about this one. Doesn't seem like something i'd want to associate myself with. I'm looking forward to exxxotica though! It's very professional but fun. I know MFC sponsors a few girls every year to go.
MellyMay
03-05-2014, 06:41 PM
I tweeted something a week or 2 ago like "Hey, not into paying $3500 to go to CammingCon? Check out House of Cam!" and one of the models "featured" at CammingCon replied that I was being ridiculous and misleading about the price. LOL, SCREEN SHOTS ARE FUN so I was like, "HMMMM, what about right here on the site where it says the price? You know....that price....right there.....that says $3500?"
And then nothing. Lulz, I have been anxious to see how this plays out.
Sabihah
03-05-2014, 08:07 PM
It's still really bizarre to me that the models are expected to pay for the privilege of being the entertainment. Some of the "fan" tickets are cheaper than the least expensive model package!
Can you imagine if someone tried to run a music festival by charging for tickets *and* charging the bands to play, without paying anything back to them?
It's even weirder for the camming industry. "Would you like to stay home and make a few hundred bucks today, interacting with customers anonymously from a safe distance, or would you like to PAY $500-$3500 and have them close enough to touch you?"
Anyway, they started tweeting again today - but things definitely seem to have slowed down.
temptingmodel
03-05-2014, 08:11 PM
Anyway, they started tweeting again today - but things definitely seem to have slowed down.
Everyone reads SW
:D Juicy things on this forum w/out having a account
cherryblossomsinspring
03-06-2014, 01:34 AM
I really hope no one falls for this "CON". Seriously the price alone sounds like a grab and run move. If it was something like $50 fine but the fact that it's $3500 per ticket says " con job fast cash grab and run". I'm curious to see what dopey guy forks over this kind of cash to even up playing with his winky at home too broke to even tip the model he so wanted to meet for a fuck.