View Full Version : If you want to fuck yourself in free chat ..........
TheBrownFox
02-08-2014, 12:33 AM
I charge 50 tokens for flashes too. In fact, for a short time recently, I tried charging like 20 tokens to see what would happen, and I decided to go back up to 50 tokens after realizing the lower price didn't change anything. There are plenty of premium members who can/will tip 50 tokens for a flash. It's just a matter of those members finding their way to your room and tipping it...instead of just sitting there waiting for others to tip. *sigh* I feel like that's what some of these guys are doing...sitting there with their hidden tokens waiting for someone else to tip...smh.
In fact, I just had a member in my room who had 2,300 tokens, but did he give any of them to me? Nope...this motherfucker was in my room bitching over the fact that he couldn't PM me for free. *rolls eyes* I told him it's rude to complain about a privilege he needs to earn (a spot on my friends list) when I can clearly see that he has 2,300 tokens. See, shit like that makes me mad. These guys are capable of tipping, but they won't. It's not that they can't...they WON'T. And then they get their Hanes in a bunch when they can't PM you right off the bat. Um...you haven't been in my room for two minutes...why the fuck are you already trying to PM me? I swear...the entitlement of these people...
amanda121
02-08-2014, 08:44 AM
I don't see as much free pussy/masturbation on SM as 1 year ago, when I opened account there..Maybe they suspended/banned them?
SexyAleks
02-08-2014, 08:48 AM
Maybe they all moved to Chaturbate. However, I have seen on pages like 2-3rd, usually Columbian girls.
Blondieblue
02-08-2014, 09:26 AM
I charge 50 tokens for flashes too. In fact, for a short time recently, I tried charging like 20 tokens to see what would happen, and I decided to go back up to 50 tokens after realizing the lower price didn't change anything. There are plenty of premium members who can/will tip 50 tokens for a flash. It's just a matter of those members finding their way to your room and tipping it...instead of just sitting there waiting for others to tip. *sigh* I feel like that's what some of these guys are doing...sitting there with their hidden tokens waiting for someone else to tip...smh.
In fact, I just had a member in my room who had 2,300 tokens, but did he give any of them to me? Nope...this motherfucker was in my room bitching over the fact that he couldn't PM me for free. *rolls eyes* I told him it's rude to complain about a privilege he needs to earn (a spot on my friends list) when I can clearly see that he has 2,300 tokens. See, shit like that makes me mad. These guys are capable of tipping, but they won't. It's not that they can't...they WON'T. And then they get their Hanes in a bunch when they can't PM you right off the bat. Um...you haven't been in my room for two minutes...why the fuck are you already trying to PM me? I swear...the entitlement of these people...
At least it's not just me LOL. I figured it was cause I was a new model, or the ugliest one on earth LOL. I can't cam right now cause my little nephew is visiting, but think I will try out chaturbate when he leaves later. I just wonder if I can be successful on a token site, if I only do toy play in private.
Blondieblue
02-08-2014, 09:27 AM
I charge 50 tokens for flashes too. In fact, for a short time recently, I tried charging like 20 tokens to see what would happen, and I decided to go back up to 50 tokens after realizing the lower price didn't change anything. There are plenty of premium members who can/will tip 50 tokens for a flash. It's just a matter of those members finding their way to your room and tipping it...instead of just sitting there waiting for others to tip. *sigh* I feel like that's what some of these guys are doing...sitting there with their hidden tokens waiting for someone else to tip...smh.
In fact, I just had a member in my room who had 2,300 tokens, but did he give any of them to me? Nope...this motherfucker was in my room bitching over the fact that he couldn't PM me for free. *rolls eyes* I told him it's rude to complain about a privilege he needs to earn (a spot on my friends list) when I can clearly see that he has 2,300 tokens. See, shit like that makes me mad. These guys are capable of tipping, but they won't. It's not that they can't...they WON'T. And then they get their Hanes in a bunch when they can't PM you right off the bat. Um...you haven't been in my room for two minutes...why the fuck are you already trying to PM me? I swear...the entitlement of these people...
At least it's not just me LOL. I figured it was cause I was a new model, or the ugliest one on earth LOL. I can't cam right now cause my little nephew is visiting, but think I will try out chaturbate when he leaves later. I just wonder if I can be successful on a token site, if I only do toy play in private.
Sorry if this gets posted more than once, getting an error message again.
JaneBurgess i agree with every post you wrote in this thread! The point is when i was first time camming (10 years ago) even if it was studio, it was not us asking for private chat, it was like they were waiting who will be first to take you in private. Now everything looks like for free ( too much show for free), so its much harder than those days. I miss camming from 2000, im old veteran who misses old camming more than these new tip free chat shows lol ..
Incantatious
02-08-2014, 10:41 AM
Something I've been even more interesting is rising above this shit.. how to get there..
Like some of the top SM girls.. One of them Tweeted a while back in response to a camgirl complaining about $0 gold shows... The top girls response was how profitable they are, (!) and how she also knows another camgirl who has been doing them for a long time (before others started complaining about them getting popular), and makes bank.. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Whaaaaat? This is so alien to me, it's like I'm camming on another planet to them.
That's not the side of camming I see. That isn't the side of camming most of us see... But she - and many other top girls - can make bank doing pretty much anything. They set their target to $400 or whatever, and it rolls in for them. Sure they might not always reach those targets. Sometimes they might fall a little short. Sometimes they'll beat the shit out of them. Those girls aren't living the mostly constant struggle most of us have where we try to reach $100 targets only to fail repeatedly, then say "fuck it" and do a $0 gold show, (which I have done when my nights are going so bad I don't even know wtf to do).
That is what I want in on. They have that invincibility to these free chat or $0 gold show issues. They appear to be coping just fine during this camming climate of other girls giving away free shit. Why shouldn't we? They worked their way up to that. So can we. The day I stop actually believing I can get to that level of success and adaptation where this kind of stuff won't bother me will be the day I give up camming.
KatyBoleyn
02-08-2014, 11:24 AM
They pay fully 30% of their income to the studios they work for where some of that money goes into promoting them. KGB payout is 25%. When you see two of them struggle for an hour with a $0 group GS and they finally do it when they hit $150, they aren't making the kind of bank people think. They each pocketed about $20 for their split for the hour. On some hours they get lucky/good and double or triple that.
If you want to do what they do:
- Set aside 20%-25% of your earnings. Use this money to blitz ads, twitter follower buys, and pay off high-traffic whitelabel owners to top-list you.
- Invest some of that money into the best hardware/lighting setup you can get. Professional and clear feeds do help with your income.
- Work their hours. They do long hours. Longer exposure means more favorites and following.
- Keep in the shape they do and keep your energy up.
- Stop perving, its a waste of time.
I am guilty of not doing any of the above. Ergo, I still make about the average site wage when I'm on. I do understand it is a zero-sum game with competition but I've found my own happy medium between how much I'm willing to kill myself for and how much I make.
If the zero GS thing does hurt SM's bottom line, they will eventually put a limit on it in some way. If they don't, you can assume that they're either happy with the overall loss of site income or there isn't any.
caramelcraze
02-08-2014, 12:23 PM
They pay fully 30% of their income to the studios they work for where some of that money goes into promoting them. KGB payout is 25%. When you see two of them struggle for an hour with a $0 group GS and they finally do it when they hit $150, they aren't making the kind of bank people think. They each pocketed about $20 for their split for the hour. On some hours they get lucky/good and double or triple that.
If you want to do what they do:
- Set aside 20%-25% of your earnings. Use this money to blitz ads, twitter follower buys, and pay off high-traffic whitelabel owners to top-list you.
- Invest some of that money into the best hardware/lighting setup you can get. Professional and clear feeds do help with your income.
- Work their hours. They do long hours. Longer exposure means more favorites and following.
- Keep in the shape they do and keep your energy up.
- Stop perving, its a waste of time.
I am guilty of not doing any of the above. Ergo, I still make about the average site wage when I'm on. I do understand it is a zero-sum game with competition but I've found my own happy medium between how much I'm willing to kill myself for and how much I make.
If the zero GS thing does hurt SM's bottom line, they will eventually put a limit on it in some way. If they don't, you can assume that they're either happy with the overall loss of site income or there isn't any.
I agree with most everything you say (especially the tweet buying) except for one thing. I work on CB primarily. I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but you have to perv around a bit to see what's working. If a new tip app comes out and those who are using it are banking, I know i should probably give it a try. if idk if it's worth using, I'll normally keep an eye out for another girl using it. If I watch for 5 minutes and don't see a problem, I'll use it or save it to use at a later date. I don't want to use something and unknowingly find out it glitches, doesn't lock the room properly, gives out pw's to the public, resets for no reason, can't handle high traffic well, doesn't have an accurate timer, is annoying, spams my room, or plain and simple just doesn't work, especially because i set my goals on the higher side. I don't like wasting time. Why risk hours of being unprofitable when i can sit in a room for 5 minutes and quickly have an idea if it's worth trying?
KatyBoleyn
02-08-2014, 12:51 PM
I was talking more like watching models for an hour of your cam time before you actually get up the nerve to log on. Quick and goal-oriented research is of course part of the game.
Incantatious
02-08-2014, 12:59 PM
They pay fully 30% of their income to the studios they work for where some of that money goes into promoting them. KGB payout is 25%. When you see two of them struggle for an hour with a $0 group GS and they finally do it when they hit $150, they aren't making the kind of bank people think. They each pocketed about $20 for their split for the hour. On some hours they get lucky/good and double or triple that.
If you want to do what they do:
- Set aside 20%-25% of your earnings. Use this money to blitz ads, twitter follower buys, and pay off high-traffic whitelabel owners to top-list you.
- Invest some of that money into the best hardware/lighting setup you can get. Professional and clear feeds do help with your income.
- Work their hours. They do long hours. Longer exposure means more favorites and following.
- Keep in the shape they do and keep your energy up.
- Stop perving, its a waste of time.
I am guilty of not doing any of the above. Ergo, I still make about the average site wage when I'm on. I do understand it is a zero-sum game with competition but I've found my own happy medium between how much I'm willing to kill myself for and how much I make.
If the zero GS thing does hurt SM's bottom line, they will eventually put a limit on it in some way. If they don't, you can assume that they're either happy with the overall loss of site income or there isn't any.
I agree with everything you said, except perving! XD
It's not a waste of time if it motivates, inspires you, and helps you generate ideas for your own shows or hustle. Sometimes all I need to kick me back into shape fit for camming is to perv on some other camgirls for a bit, then I'm feeling motivated to get back on myself.
If it demotivates you, saps your energy, makes you jealous or competitive (in a bad way), then sure, it's a waste of time.
Sabihah
02-08-2014, 01:11 PM
I don't think perving is a waste of time, but here's some (MFC-oriented) advice for doing it efficiently:
- If you have a camscore of ~1000 and, say, ~50 users in your room, don't expect to start making money by copying the top girls. IMO, it's a totally different hustle when you're dealing with a room of 500+. Look for girls who have a higher camscore than you but a similar number of potential customers to work with.
- Perving should primarily be for pre-experimentation brainstorming. If you're not making the kind of money you want to make, you should be willing to try a lot of different things. This requires a long-term focus. It might be that for every five things you try, one makes you a bit more money and four lose money. This is still worth it, but you need to get in the right headspace. Acknowledge that some of the things that seem to work for other girls will not work for you, and that doesn't mean you're a terrible cam girl. Try new things, learn from them, adapt. Rinse and repeat.
- Look for low-difficulty things to experiment with. Pay attention to how the high-performing girls are marketing themselves with their topics, profiles, twitter feeds, text overlaid on their cam feeds, etc.
- Be open-minded and acknowledge that many girls will be making money doing something you can't or don't want to do. A high camscore is never inexplicable, but the reasons for it may not be clear by watching the feed. Some girls make most of their money on highly-discounted skype shows, cheap clips, snapchat subscriptions, privates for unsavory/difficult/equipment-reliant fetishes, etc. Be focused. Spend time on girls who seem to be making money doing the things you do or might want to do.
JaneBurgess
02-08-2014, 02:56 PM
Great advice! Perhaps we need a marketing thread where we can post sites, magazines, etc where you can pay to run ad's.
I also agree they aren't making as much as people think. I am friends with a lot of the KGB cam performers and they too are feeling the crunch. They have been working more, working on new show idea's, promoting themselves, etc. Not sure why people always go off about them because they honestly are really nice women and do bust their ass.
They pay fully 30% of their income to the studios they work for where some of that money goes into promoting them. KGB payout is 25%. When you see two of them struggle for an hour with a $0 group GS and they finally do it when they hit $150, they aren't making the kind of bank people think. They each pocketed about $20 for their split for the hour. On some hours they get lucky/good and double or triple that.
If you want to do what they do:
- Set aside 20%-25% of your earnings. Use this money to blitz ads, twitter follower buys, and pay off high-traffic whitelabel owners to top-list you.
- Invest some of that money into the best hardware/lighting setup you can get. Professional and clear feeds do help with your income.
- Work their hours. They do long hours. Longer exposure means more favorites and following.
- Keep in the shape they do and keep your energy up.
- Stop perving, its a waste of time.
I am guilty of not doing any of the above. Ergo, I still make about the average site wage when I'm on. I do understand it is a zero-sum game with competition but I've found my own happy medium between how much I'm willing to kill myself for and how much I make.
If the zero GS thing does hurt SM's bottom line, they will eventually put a limit on it in some way. If they don't, you can assume that they're either happy with the overall loss of site income or there isn't any.
temptingmodel
02-08-2014, 08:44 PM
Thread JACK! :D
Not sure why people always go off about them because they honestly are really nice women and do bust their ass. 100% agree
Blovely
02-08-2014, 10:14 PM
- Set aside 20%-25% of your earnings. Use this money to blitz ads, twitter follower buys, and pay off high-traffic whitelabel owners to top-list you.
- Invest some of that money into the best hardware/lighting setup you can get. Professional and clear feeds do help with your income.
- Work their hours. They do long hours. Longer exposure means more favorites and following.
- Keep in the shape they do and keep your energy up.
Agreed this is great advice, I'm putting it in my notebook. Something I wonder though is how does buying followers help your placement/dollars/popularity since the followers are bots. I've thought about buying followers when I get a twitter but I'm wondering what it would actually do. Like what's the benefits/pro's of buying followers?
Snowy0Star
02-08-2014, 11:13 PM
Agreed this is great advice, I'm putting it in my notebook. Something I wonder though is how does buying followers help your placement/dollars/popularity since the followers are bots. I've thought about buying followers when I get a twitter but I'm wondering what it would actually do. Like what's the benefits/pro's of buying followers?
its the fact that the more followers u appear to have the more new ones u will get because ppl think ur more desirable but if someone checks ur account and sees the duds it may turn them off and make u appear like a loser/phony witch is why i dont think its a good idea but to each their own
minniesoporno
02-08-2014, 11:26 PM
I don't see as much free pussy/masturbation on SM as 1 year ago, when I opened account there..Maybe they suspended/banned them?
just saw a girl fully on pussy and fingers and not only that pissing in free chat.
Now 2 girls - I sent streamate emails about every model I see breaking the rules and it damn right ridiculous cause I see them always coming back doing the same thing.
AliceFun
02-09-2014, 12:05 AM
A lot of performers only rely on the site traffic, myself included, Katy Boleyn pointed out correctly what it takes to get to that level of success, it takes a lot of hard work, money, all promoting & advertising, a great appearance to be able to reach that, u really need all the right ingredients in order to be a top cam girl & a little of brain wash as well, to function in a way as a machine, have the aim in ur mind and nothing else, leave all ideas and believes 'at the door' when u sign into work.
You need a very strong character for that, not everyone can do it, i know i am shy on cam, 'grew up' on different cam environment, i have personal ideas & believes of working, insecurities, etc. I feel there are many performers in similar situation, we are all soo different and personality is the most important factor in cam work, even more important than looks.
Personality defines who u are and what u can do always, in every aspect of ur life, work included.
Cam work is a very personal job, same like stripping on stage or any other sex work, you are the product u sell & this is the most difficult to do, u not only selling an image but a little part of urself as a whole every day u get on cam.
God help us all to reach success, everyone in it's own way!
kittykrane
02-09-2014, 07:00 AM
^^^ as great as it would be to bank like top gals, I know I don't put in the hours, tweet, give away vids etc....I also don't want to become "camfamous". Considering I normally do about 500 a week if I put in 10 -12 hours, that's not too shabby. It used to take me 40 hours to make less than that with a regular $10/hour job! I'm supposed to be moving this summer and fingers crossed, I will get the room & set up I want to put in more time. I'll just have to wait and see. I know I'm missing out at night, but I'm a stickler for staying healthy and part of that is getting 8-9 hours of sleep a night..I work one night and I'm a wreck, usually because I'm wired past midnight and can't fall asleep..
ashleymason973
02-10-2014, 08:47 AM
Great thread Jane! I have been on MFC, Streamate and Chaturbate. They are all great at the beginning but they all naturally die off. There is constantly an influx of new models that your clients want to check out and spend money on. On another note, the reason that models are making less and lowering their goals for shows is because there are so many people breaking the rules and doing shit for free, it is ridiculous. I have gone back to basics really, not been on Chaturbate but once in a week because when I do log on and see the top cams are fingering and using toys, showing asshole, g/g and guys jacking their cocks for free, NO GOAL MET, it makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Just saying girls, have self respect, do things in free chat ONLY if you make goals to do so or you will be shooting yourself in the foot! I'm actually trying out Live Jasmin since they have a NO NUDITY rule in free chat, anyone have experience with this site?
TheBrownFox
02-10-2014, 09:37 AM
I'm actually trying out Live Jasmin since they have a NO NUDITY rule in free chat, anyone have experience with this site?
Hi, Ashley. I don't have experience with LJ, but from the many posts I've read on here (and on another forum I used to be on) LJ has a bad reputation and is not a great cam site. It seemed like that was the #1 not recommended cam site. If you do a search on here for LJ there should be several posts about it.
IvyRose
02-10-2014, 12:51 PM
Ashley- LJ was the worst for me, you have to do an "introduction" thing where youre price is very very low and have to break a certain price goal to be able to set up your own amount... as a way to attract "new customers" etc. The beginning went really quick, pvts all over the place; offcourse with a ridicilous low price. SO after that you set your own price, and I didnt get any pvts afterwards- with my prce being 1,99. I started out at sm, so I was really pissed since I started out at 2,99 there and got a lot! of traffic, while lj was completely death, and full of beggers, and freechattalk. It was really hard to hit that price goal! But maybe it haw changed since than, I was working there in early 2013... When I got to the goal, and never logged in again
KatyBoleyn
02-10-2014, 01:01 PM
LJ is basically geared towards exploitative studio masters. We were on that site way back when we first started couple's camming and it was aweful. Constant harrassment by studio owners, chat room nazi police, oddball chargebacks (how do you chargeback $3 from a $44 private?) that would keep you from within a few dollars of reaching payout or next payment tier, arbitrary rules about ratings and "cam quality" effecting your placement. Don't do it.
SarahTime
02-10-2014, 02:31 PM
Great thread Jane! I have been on MFC, Streamate and Chaturbate. They are all great at the beginning but they all naturally die off. There is constantly an influx of new models that your clients want to check out and spend money on. On another note, the reason that models are making less and lowering their goals for shows is because there are so many people breaking the rules and doing shit for free, it is ridiculous. I have gone back to basics really, not been on Chaturbate but once in a week because when I do log on and see the top cams are fingering and using toys, showing asshole, g/g and guys jacking their cocks for free, NO GOAL MET, it makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Just saying girls, have self respect, do things in free chat ONLY if you make goals to do so or you will be shooting yourself in the foot! I'm actually trying out Live Jasmin since they have a NO NUDITY rule in free chat, anyone have experience with this site?
LJ was going really well for me actually, until they did the new rating system. They dock you -5% for not having good enough audio or video, and they dock you for stupid things. Like for instance I had my cam down on my desk pointed at my covered tits and they docked me -5% because of "bad camera angle". I had to contact support to have the -5% removed. Also, they are SOOOOOOOO picky about profile pictures. It took me AGES to get a photo finally approved, after they suddenly rejected the one I had been using for so long.
Now, that being said, I decided to give it another try after a few months off. They made an announcement for February that they purchased some new traffic and to expect more members in our rooms. I have so far definitely seen more PAYING customers this month... so hopefully it stays that way! It's an ok site to split cam with if you can get past some of the annoyances. It's definitely not "main site" material. When I say it is ok for me I'm talking like... $300-600 a month depending on how much effort I put into it. I only split it and pay it minimal attention.
I've only had 3 chargebacks in a year on the site, and I've not experienced any harassment by anyone on the site other than the typical "show pussy and we go pvt bb" type crap you get everywhere.
JaneBurgess
02-10-2014, 05:07 PM
The weird thing for me on there is my video is amazing on every site but that one. I swear they do it on purpose to dock your pay. I also hate that you get paid the first time like a month after cut-off. If they went to weekly pay that would be 100 times better.
LJ was going really well for me actually, until they did the new rating system. They dock you -5% for not having good enough audio or video, and they dock you for stupid things. Like for instance I had my cam down on my desk pointed at my covered tits and they docked me -5% because of "bad camera angle". I had to contact support to have the -5% removed. Also, they are SOOOOOOOO picky about profile pictures. It took me AGES to get a photo finally approved, after they suddenly rejected the one I had been using for so long.
Now, that being said, I decided to give it another try after a few months off. They made an announcement for February that they purchased some new traffic and to expect more members in our rooms. I have so far definitely seen more PAYING customers this month... so hopefully it stays that way! It's an ok site to split cam with if you can get past some of the annoyances. It's definitely not "main site" material. When I say it is ok for me I'm talking like... $300-600 a month depending on how much effort I put into it. I only split it and pay it minimal attention.
I've only had 3 chargebacks in a year on the site, and I've not experienced any harassment by anyone on the site other than the typical "show pussy and we go pvt bb" type crap you get everywhere.
swingersworld1
02-12-2014, 09:11 PM
Please go to a site that allows it like MFC or Chaturbate. I am super tired of seeing performers on sites that don't allow below the belt nudity fucking their pussy or ass with toys in free chat. I normally don't care but I am tired of dickheads nagging me to do that because your rule breaking ass is doing it. Do what you want as long as you are within the web cam sites rules. You have zero right to make shit harder on the rest of us. Plus you will make more on sites that allow that, usually at least 50 percent. Thanks
Yes, some might be doing things in free show. But that's what gets heaps of guys in. Then they talk to each other and encourage each other to tip to meet goals and you end up making heaps more. I think it works great assuming you want to public show. If not then I see your point. Or just do a tip cost for entry to private.
swingersworld1
02-12-2014, 09:27 PM
So many girls seem bitchey to me. I just chat to heaps of guys and ask them what they like / just general chat and the tokens flow in hard and fast. Maybe the guys can sense some girls attitudes and don't like to them tip the girl ? ??
apryll11
02-12-2014, 09:36 PM
chat room nazi police
What does a chat room nazi do?
TheBrownFox
02-12-2014, 11:26 PM
Maybe the guys can sense some girls attitudes and don't like to them tip the girl ? ??
I'm sure that's true sometimes, but other times it really is the guys being cheapasses. LOL. On MFC I've been friendly and chipper and still had guys with tokens expecting freebies, and not even throwing a single token my way. They're like "How's the ass look?," and when I tell them they can see it for 50 tokens they either respond with "lol" or they just leave.
Classy_Katy
02-12-2014, 11:50 PM
I had a guy tell me the other day that he comes to see older ladies because some of the young ones are real bitches...he was a very pleasant guy.
KatyBoleyn
02-13-2014, 12:27 AM
What does a chat room nazi do?
They have full time staff that actually watches rooms to make sure you're nice to the freeloaders (warning), your cam quality is great (dock pay), and god forbid you go off cam for a second (warning #2). But the studio owner running through your room and calling you a "useless whore" in Romanian gets a free pass.
Then they'll let you back to work if your hubby pretends to be your pimp and tells support sarcastically that he'll "keep his bitch in line next time."
The management attitude is pulled straight from an Eastern European sweatshop studio. No thank you.