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lawdude
05-23-2014, 04:05 PM
To be honest, I'm looking for some intimacy as well as the arousal when going for a lapdance because for me the two go hand in hand. The dancers that do those little things like heavy breathing in the ear, nibbling the lobe, a quick kiss/lick on the neck, and those who allow reciprocation, are the ones I go back to. With that in mind, a dancer is not "wrong" to disallow any of that. But neither is the customer wrong to want that. Expectation is different; I don't expect a dancer to give me anything other than a tease. But I'm hoping for more, and more is what gets my repeat business.
The one time I've sucked on a pair of breasts was with a girl I had taken a few times. We were having a great session and she directly said "suck on my boobs", and even then I almost didn't. Just caught up in the moment. Other than that one time, the most I do is a kiss usually on the neck, and then only with some dancers. Sucking on or licking someone who dances for tens of people a night just doesn't appeal to me.
I suspect that it would be a close to unanimous opinion at SW that if the DANCER asks the customer to engage in some sort of an extra, it is safe and fun and isn't going to get anyone in trouble, and the customer trusts the dancer and wants to do it, go ahead and have at it. If she wants you to suck her tits and you are down with that, go ahead and go to town.
yoda57us
05-23-2014, 04:46 PM
I suspect that it would be a close to unanimous opinion at SW that if the DANCER asks the customer to engage in some sort of an extra, it is safe and fun and isn't going to get anyone in trouble, and the customer trusts the dancer and wants to do it, go ahead and have at it. If she wants you to suck her tits and you are down with that, go ahead and go to town.
I suspect that blessings from the majority of dancers here would actually be hard to come by. The fact is that any extras performed by some dancers make it harder for all dancers to make a living without having pressure put on them from customers to perform extras themselves. Understanding that it happens is one thing. Expecting approval is another.
Hopper
05-24-2014, 03:40 AM
I suspect that blessings from the majority of dancers here would actually be hard to come by. The fact is that any extras performed by some dancers make it harder for all dancers to make a living without having pressure put on them from customers to perform extras themselves. Understanding that it happens is one thing. Expecting approval is another.
I don't see why that makes it unfair. Even before you get to extras, there are different levels of what dancers are prepared to do and be paid accordingly. Some only strip to their g-strings, some don't allow contact during LDs, some don't do open-leg, some won't grind during LDs, some don't chat to hustle for LDs (the "wanna dance?" girls) and so on. Dancers here don't object to any of that.
yoda57us
05-24-2014, 04:54 AM
I don't see why that makes it unfair.
Unfair? Not only did I not use that word but I don't even know where it fits here. It's a simple fact stated hundreds of times by the women on this site over the years. Extras girls make it harder for non extras girls to earn. That doesn't mean anyone is in denial but they are certainly not happy about it.
SweetJulia
05-24-2014, 06:08 AM
Unfair? Not only did I not use that word but I don't even know where it fits here. It's a simple fact stated hundreds of times by the women on this site over the years. Extras girls make it harder for non extras girls to earn. That doesn't mean anyone is in denial but they are certainly not happy about it.
Thank you! This is mostly why I switched to camming. Girls were willing to do more and more in clubs for less and less money. Some were in desperate need of money, some just drank til contact no longer bothered them, and some of them were really nice girls but people who made it harder for me to do my job were never going to get too much warmth from me. Imagine if you have a restaurant and a competitor moved in next door with lower prices and ....say......unlimited drink refills. Would you like that?
Hopper
05-24-2014, 06:58 PM
Unfair? Not only did I not use that word but I don't even know where it fits here. It's a simple fact stated hundreds of times by the women on this site over the years. Extras girls make it harder for non extras girls to earn. That doesn't mean anyone is in denial but they are certainly not happy about it.
I wasn't quoting you and I don't know where it fits either, hence my question. The fact that dancers disapprove of it implies that they think it is unfair and are not merely unhappy about being out-competed.
In this case we are discussing a fairly tame form of "extra", i.e. mouth contact, not the harder kinds which are closer to or cross over to actual sex or prostitution.
Thank you! This is mostly why I switched to camming. Girls were willing to do more and more in clubs for less and less money. Some were in desperate need of money, some just drank til contact no longer bothered them, and some of them were really nice girls but people who made it harder for me to do my job were never going to get too much warmth from me. Imagine if you have a restaurant and a competitor moved in next door with lower prices and ....say......unlimited drink refills. Would you like that?
I wouldn't like it but I would not say it is unethical. It's not unethical to compete with and make more money than somebody else or take customers from a competing business.
This is just what naturally happens as society continually becomes more permissive and periodically moves on to the next shock or high. It's also partly to do with the worsening of the economy pushing girls to do things they otherwise wouldn't need to do.
yoda57us
05-24-2014, 07:15 PM
I wasn't quoting you and I don't know where it fits either, hence my question. The fact that dancers disapprove of it implies that they think it is unfair and are not merely unhappy about being out-competed.
It strikes me that the word "unfair" fits in clubs where extras are theoretically not allowed (just about all clubs as far as legality goes) but management allows them to happen.
SweetJulia
05-24-2014, 07:41 PM
This is just what naturally happens as society continually becomes more permissive and periodically moves on to the next shock or high. It's also partly to do with the worsening of the economy pushing girls to do things they otherwise wouldn't need to do.
Yeah, and that's sad to watch from a dancers' point of view. It leaves you with the option of complying what's become standard, finding a rare club that's clean-which are usually flooded with girls, or simply removing yourself from the situation, like I chose to do. In my area, on the review boards, when contact went up and extras were reported to have increased, there were also a lot of complaints about not enough girls working and the quality of the girls decreasing, both in looks and personality. It was funny, very few of the members realized the two situations were related.
Hopper
05-24-2014, 07:43 PM
It strikes me that the word "unfair" fits in clubs where extras are theoretically not allowed (just about all clubs as far as legality goes) but management allows them to happen.
I was thinking of that as well. Dancers who disobey club rules are considered to be competing unfairly. However, if the extras are illegal, those dancers also risk the consequences. Also, something being illegal does not make it inherently unfair.
Hopper
05-24-2014, 07:56 PM
Yeah, and that's sad to watch from a dancers' point of view. It leaves you with the option of complying what's become standard, finding a rare club that's clean-which are usually flooded with girls, or simply removing yourself from the situation, like I chose to do.
Sad from the POV of how much money you personally make. What is "standard" and what is "clean" depend on who you are. Some people think just stripping on stage dirty. Most girls wouldn't do it at a party or in a classroom, not even for tips (luckily for you and the club-owners). All clubs in my city are high-contact, stopping only at crotch area and (customer's) mouth contact. Many dancers here would not do contact LDs and some say they don't even take off their g-strings on stage. However, I'd agree with most people that fingering, HJ's and BJ's are not clean and cross over into prostitution. In this thread we are only talking about mouth contact and breasts.
However, in all areas of business, an operator has to comply with what is standard or get out.
In my area, on the review boards, when contact went up and extras were reported to have increased, there were also a lot of complaints about not enough girls working and the quality of the girls decreasing, both in looks and personality. It was funny, very few of the members realized the two situations were related.
This is sad from a customer's POV. Customers who want those kinds of extras should be going to brothels.
yoda57us
05-24-2014, 08:01 PM
I was thinking of that as well. Dancers who disobey club rules are considered to be competing unfairly. However, if the extras are illegal, those dancers also risk the consequences. Also, something being illegal does not make it inherently unfair.
What is unfair is that club ownership allows it to happen. I suppose we could debate if it is "fair" or not that a dancer who is unwilling to break the law may be losing money because other girls in the same club are willing to perform illegal acts.
To be honest, fair or unfair is not really what it's about for me. We are all grownups here and we all know what goes on inside many strip clubs. My initial response above had more to do with lawdude's assertion that girls don't have a problem with what other girls do. I don't agree with that at all. Fair or not dancers have to make a living within the system that currently exists and that is exactly what they all do. Assuming that a clean girl is OK with a dancer in the next booth giving a guy a hand job for the same money she charges to not give a hand job is a bit of a naive thought process on any customer's part.
Hopper
05-24-2014, 09:05 PM
What is unfair is that club ownership allows it to happen. I suppose we could debate if it is "fair" or not that a dancer who is unwilling to break the law may be losing money because other girls in the same club are willing to perform illegal acts.
I was thinking of the bigger picture. Club rules and laws have changed before and they will continue to change. There was once a time when strip clubs were completely illegal in some places, perhaps not even though of. Society continually gets more sexually permissive and the laws and the market changes accordingly. Therefore, rules and clubs aside, should dancers resent other dancers for pushing boundaries? Their grandmothers at the old burlesque shows would probably resent dancers who stripped to a g-string back in that time and even label them whores.
Beyond strip clubs, we have brothels, where girls really do go all the way, i.e. they don't stop at fantasy. Today you can see hot girls nearly naked on the beach, free of charge. For decades we have been able to watch girls not only stripping but having sex on video and today we can watch both stripping and explicit porn for free on many sites.
Strippers long ago started something they won't be able to finish. They are one step along the way in a continual process. The line between stripper and prostitute may eventually disappear and SCs and brothels will merge. High-contact LDs are about as far as strippers can go short of having actual sex with customers, so to go beyond that they have to cease merely being strippers.
To be honest, fair or unfair is not really what it's about for me. We are all grownups here and we all know what goes on inside many strip clubs. My initial response above had more to do with lawdude's assertion that girls don't have a problem with what other girls do. I don't agree with that at all. Fair or not dancers have to make a living within the system that currently exists and that is exactly what they all do. Assuming that a clean girl is OK with a dancer in the next booth giving a guy a hand job for the same money she charges to not give a hand job is a bit of a naive thought process on any customer's part.
Lawdude may be right in the case of sucking breasts but obviously not in the case of HJ's and BJ's etc.
Aniela
05-24-2014, 10:12 PM
I don't see why that makes it unfair. Even before you get to extras, there are different levels of what dancers are prepared to do and be paid accordingly. Some only strip to their g-strings, some don't allow contact during LDs, some don't do open-leg, some won't grind during LDs, some don't chat to hustle for LDs (the "wanna dance?" girls) and so on. Dancers here don't object to any of that.
There is a big difference between girls being uncomfortable w/ club protocol that falls w/in the lines of local bylaws, & behaviour that either runs into a legal grey area or is flatout illegal. Dancers here do not generally object to contact lvls, dress codes, or whatever else as it falls on the legal side of things; if they do they go to another club. Fact is tho, that there are becoming fewer & fewer places where dancers can make a solid living operating w/in legal parameters, bc of the slags that offer extras which, when you really get down to it, are illegal.
You want to talk abt what is unfair? Please then, explain to me how it is fair that I, a clean dancer, run the risk of a prostitution charge bc sm lazy or desperate bitch is offering actual sex acts in my workplace. Please explain to me how it is fair that I have to be ready to protect myself violently in sm cases bc customers are so entitled to my body thnx to the dirty girls who give it all up for $20. Please explain to me how it is fair that clean dancers in a given club should be subjected to the risks taken by girls who do not have the stomach or the brains to succeed as full-on escorts.
yoda57us
05-24-2014, 10:18 PM
Lawdude may be right in the case of sucking breasts but obviously not in the case of HJ's and BJ's etc.
LOL, have you read this thread from the beginning?
Hopper
05-25-2014, 04:51 AM
There is a big difference between girls being uncomfortable w/ club protocol that falls w/in the lines of local bylaws, & behaviour that either runs into a legal grey area or is flatout illegal. Dancers here do not generally object to contact lvls, dress codes, or whatever else as it falls on the legal side of things; if they do they go to another club. Fact is tho, that there are becoming fewer & fewer places where dancers can make a solid living operating w/in legal parameters, bc of the slags that offer extras which, when you really get down to it, are illegal.
You want to talk abt what is unfair? Please then, explain to me how it is fair that I, a clean dancer, run the risk of a prostitution charge bc sm lazy or desperate bitch is offering actual sex acts in my workplace. Please explain to me how it is fair that I have to be ready to protect myself violently in sm cases bc customers are so entitled to my body thnx to the dirty girls who give it all up for $20. Please explain to me how it is fair that clean dancers in a given club should be subjected to the risks taken by girls who do not have the stomach or the brains to succeed as full-on escorts.
All good points.
LOL, have you read this thread from the beginning?
Not all eleven pages but all I did see was dancers saying how they felt about customers sucking their own breasts, not about other dancers who let customers do it.
I have often had dancers brush their boobs right against my mouth and wondered was it so I could suck them. It's against the rules in the clubs I've been in but nobody would have been able to see. I never took the bait. On hearing about what dancers put on their boobs before each shift I won't be tempted again.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 12:07 AM
You want to talk abt what is unfair? Please then, explain to me how it is fair that I, a clean dancer, run the risk of a prostitution charge bc sm lazy or desperate bitch is offering actual sex acts in my workplace. Please explain to me how it is fair that I have to be ready to protect myself violently in sm cases bc customers are so entitled to my body thnx to the dirty girls who give it all up for $20. Please explain to me how it is fair that clean dancers in a given club should be subjected to the risks taken by girls who do not have the stomach or the brains to succeed as full-on escorts.
When it comes to the legality of it, that's no dancer's fault. Our laws are still archaic in that regard. It's unfair to everyone. Though I see your point. It's not just the clean dancers who could go down for that. There's also the clean customers, the waitstaff, the bouncers, the DJ, the owners (who arguably are responsible), and anyone else in the building.
The biggest issue with liberal dancers is the pressure it puts on clean dancers to compete. Customers are going to want as much as they can get, and they're paying a lot of money for it, so unfortunately I'm sure customer entitlement is a big issue for dancers. I do my best not to overstep and to respect each dancer's personal bounds, but have to admit I'll more often repeat with dancers who are open to more intimate contact. And no, I'm not talking the big three acts.
I've always been on the fence about the "dirty" girls. Are they really deserving of flack for what they do, or are they just marketing themselves more effectively and offering a better service? Either way, I can understand clean girls feeling resentful of that.
starlily
05-26-2014, 08:17 AM
Are they really deserving of flack for what they do, or are they just marketing themselves more effectively and offering a better service?
Letting strangers slobber on you as a regular part of a $20 dance isn't effective marketing. It's just stupid. If they knew "effective marketing" techniques they'd at least charge extra money for extras, and then there wouldn't be so many customers who are trained to expect extras by default and we wouldn't have to have threads like these. These girls don't just ruin money for everyone else, they ruin money for themselves too! Why would you choose not to make money off of a service you could ABSOLUTELY charge for???? Not smart.
SweetJulia
05-26-2014, 08:48 AM
Oh, just wanted to throw in, when customers slobbered on my boobs, I'd always wonder what made them thought they weren't just licking up the previous guys drool. Cuz, in my experience, girls who let customers "pleasure their tits" did so for all customers. Me personally, I couldn't wait to scrub it off with the hottest water I could stand. The ones who were ok with it didn't care, so they left it on.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 09:35 AM
Letting strangers slobber on you as a regular part of a $20 dance isn't effective marketing. It's just stupid. If they knew "effective marketing" techniques they'd at least charge extra money for extras, and then there wouldn't be so many customers who are trained to expect extras by default and we wouldn't have to have threads like these. These girls don't just ruin money for everyone else, they ruin money for themselves too! Why would you choose not to make money off of a service you could ABSOLUTELY charge for???? Not smart.
I would disagree. Building a loyal fanbase can be a far smarter sales tactic than a temporary boost to your earnings.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 10:22 AM
Ushar- you can disagree but she's right. The same loyal fanbase would also exist EVEN if they had to pay extra for extras. The guys that want them would be happy to pay for them and would return for them anyway, since that's the only way of getting them. When they're given away free, guys may come back , but only as much as they would have done anyway. What you are saying equates to going into a supermarket and being given double your shopping for what you usually pay. That's great, obviously, and it makes you like that supermarket more, but you STILL won't go back again until all your food has run out - which will actually take longer as you got more for the same money. Not good business, see? And I'll be frank - IM ( humble ) E, girls start offering extras because they aren't good hustlers and don't have much personality . It's sheer laziness.
That analogy doesn't seem to fit at all lol. Dancers don't sell physical items, they sell services. A service lasts only so long as it is being performed. I don't have to wait for it to "run out" before going back.
I'm not sure if you're a customer yourself or a dancer (I'm thinking the latter), but I know that as a customer I'll repeat with dancers who give me more for my money. Whereas, if she skimped on the dance or charges more, I'll go looking around for other dancers. If a dancer says I can only, say, touch her body if I fork over $40 in addition to dance prices, you can be damn sure that's the last time I take her to the vip. Whereas, if another dancer is okay with that for the price of admission, I'm much more likely to see her week after week (and tip her). So that extra $40 for the first dancer may have just cost her hundreds or thousands of dollars of repeat business.
simone87
05-26-2014, 10:32 AM
^ oh please, you couldn't fork over an extra 10, 20 or 30 bucks for a great dance?? god i hate that. regardless of extras, if a girl gives you a great dance i don't see why customers are so damn cheap that they can't return the favor with tipping a little bit. i mean really
ushar85
05-26-2014, 11:09 AM
^ oh please, you couldn't fork over an extra 10, 20 or 30 bucks for a great dance?? god i hate that. regardless of extras, if a girl gives you a great dance i don't see why customers are so damn cheap that they can't return the favor with tipping a little bit. i mean really
Sure, I'll tip a dancer if she gives me a great dance; and often do. My point was that all things being equal, the dancer who demands $40 for hands-on contact is going to lose my business to the dancer who allows contact at the price of admission and has no expectation of a tip (though she'll get one anyway!). If you could get a BMW for the price of a Honda, why would you pay the BMW price? It's all about value. Reward versus cost. I doubt most customers want to feel nickel and dimed anyway.
And I think it's silly to say anyone paying $20 for 3 minutes of any service is cheap. Strip clubs are the worst value out there in terms of entertainment. They have a certain appeal, which is the only reason they haven't become obsolete at this point.
simone87
05-26-2014, 11:19 AM
please don't go into how " oh strip clubs are so expensive, it should be every man's right to have a beautiful naked girl dance on him for whatever he can afford!". no. its a luxury. and you pay accordingly.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 11:32 AM
please don't go into how " oh strip clubs are so expensive, it should be every man's right to have a beautiful naked girl dance on him for whatever he can afford!". no. its a luxury. and you pay accordingly.
Try to reverse the scenario simone and put yourself in your customer's shoes. Would you be okay paying $100 for fifteen minutes of fun, then happily hand over an additional $20 tip for a decent dance because otherwise you'll be labelled as cheap? I find that often the dancers who complain about customer entitlement are often the ones who feel entitled to a tip for shoddy service. There's too much entitlement on both sides of the aisle, which is why when I find a real treat of a dancer, I create a working relationship with her that lasts years. We both benefit. My point again is that a dancer should promote loyalty for long term gain, not resentment in search of a quick buck.
simone87
05-26-2014, 11:35 AM
^ well i never give "shoddy service" so no i don't think that if you do give bad service you should get a tip.. unless, you mean that not giving out BJs its "shoddy service". but it pisses me off when i bust my fucking ass giving the guy a great dance and i get EXACTLY what the dance costs ( and the house takes a BIG chunk outta what i make). but yeah, i guess we are getting off topic
ushar85
05-26-2014, 11:49 AM
^ well i never give "shoddy service" so no i don't think that if you do give bad service you should get a tip.. unless, you mean that not giving out BJs its "shoddy service". but it pisses me off when i bust my fucking ass giving the guy a great dance and i get EXACTLY what the dance costs ( and the house takes a BIG chunk outta what i make). but yeah, i guess we are getting off topic
No biggie. :) I didn't mean to imply you give shoddy service! And no, I certainly would not consider a lack of BJs shoddy service....
There are three clubs around where I live.
The first one is a "clean" club where the dancers are very friendly and personable. They give very sensual dances without offering anything out-of-bounds. Dancers keep 100% of dance revenue and pay a nightly fee of $75 to the club. This is probably my favorite club in the area.
The second one is a "dirty" club. The dancers there are hostile and put on a very thin act of friendliness until they figure you're not going to make them money. Then they turn into the worst people on Earth! I'm not sure what breeds such hostility here, though most likely it's the near necessity of extras to compete. The funny thing is I have a few clean regulars there who are very busy. They're a bit of an anomaly. Like the clean club, dancers keep 100% of their dance take, and pay the club a fee of $125 per night. I rarely go here because I don't like the atmosphere.
The third club is somewhere in between. The dancers are friendly. The club takes 50% of their dance revenue, but no nightly fee. I suppose that's better for less popular dancers, and worse for the more popular dancers than other fee structures. I like this club as well, and I'm always conscious of the fact dancers only keep 50% of dance income when deciding what to tip.
Can you guess which of these clubs is the most popular? It's a damn shame, because the two cleaner clubs have more to offer IMO.
yoda57us
05-26-2014, 01:04 PM
My point again is that a dancer should promote loyalty for long term gain, not resentment in search of a quick buck.
It's not either/or ushar85. There are many very successful dancers out there who not only don't have regulars but go out of their way to avoid them. The reason, quite frankly, is customers like you. A "regulars" relationship will almost always end up costing the dancer income in the long run. The flaw in your logic here is that you are not thinking like a dancer, you are, of course, thinking like a customer. You go to the club once in a while and spend a few bucks. She has to go to work every night and make enough money to pay her bills. A dancer does that by selling dances to who ever is interested in buying...and by buying I mean spending generously, not looking for deals. If you want extras from an extras girl who doesn't charge extra there are plenty of them out there. Most of the ladies who participate regularly here on SW do not fall into that category so I wouldn't expect much agreement from their side with your approach.
The bar at every strip club is populated with lonely guys who are being ignored because they showed up on a night when the club was busy enough that their faves didn't have time to waste on guys looking for deals.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 01:19 PM
It's not either/or ushar85. There are many very successful dancers out there who not only don't have regulars but go out of their way to avoid them. The reason, quite frankly, is customers like you. A "regulars" relationship will almost always end up costing the dancer income in the long run. The flaw in your logic here is that you are not thinking like a dancer, you are, of course, thinking like a customer. You go to the club once in a while and spend a few bucks. She has to go to work every night and make enough money to pay her bills. A dancer does that by selling dances to who ever is interested in buying...and by buying I mean spending generously, not looking for deals. If you want extras from an extras girl who doesn't charge extra there are plenty of them out there. Most of the ladies who participate regularly here on SW do not fall into that category so I wouldn't expect much agreement from their side with your approach.
With all respect, I think we're talking about apples and oranges. I can certainly understand why some types of regulars are to be avoided: such as the lonely, clingy type and the regular who feels his repeated custom entitles him to certain acts or discounts. I am neither. I spend generously...usually on any dancer who has delighted me enough to consistently repeat with her. I'm not looking for deals per se, I'm looking for a fun time. Money is less important than the experience, though still in my thoughts. I'm not an extras guy, so the experience comes down to three things: personality, sensuality, and technique. Dancers often focus on technique to the exclusion of the other two, or perhaps the first and last without focusing on the sensuality bit. Also notice I use the word sensuality in the place of sexuality, because it encompasses more. I can easily keep in mind the game being played, while at the same time lose myself in the fantasy. Any dancer who facilitates that is doing something right.
Also, I don't think thinking like a customer is a flaw, nor is thinking like a dancer, because the "right" unbiased reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Which is why threads like this are useful to both sides: perspective.
EDIT: By "extras", I mean sexual acts. Something I wouldn't consider doing in a SC.
yoda57us
05-26-2014, 02:33 PM
Also, I don't think thinking like a customer is a flaw,
Well, it's not a flaw if you are a customer but if you are trying to tell dancers how they should be thinking it is. You keep speaking in terms of how much you spend and how much potential income loss there is if a dancer doesn't hold your interest but the reality is they will simply sell the dances to somebody else. I've seen faves of mine lose regs who spent a grand a week on them and replace that income within a shift or two simply by approaching guys that they were too busy to approach before. All I'm pointing out here is that a "regular" customer is not the only way that a dancer makes money. Far from it.
because the "right" unbiased reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Which is why threads like this are useful to both sides: perspective.
lol, it's a strip club, there is no such thing as unbiased reality...
audrey_k
05-26-2014, 02:50 PM
I wasn't quoting you and I don't know where it fits either, hence my question. The fact that dancers disapprove of it implies that they think it is unfair and are not merely unhappy about being out-competed.
In this case we are discussing a fairly tame form of "extra", i.e. mouth contact, not the harder kinds which are closer to or cross over to actual sex or prostitution.
I wouldn't like it but I would not say it is unethical. It's not unethical to compete with and make more money than somebody else or take customers from a competing business.
This is just what naturally happens as society continually becomes more permissive and periodically moves on to the next shock or high. It's also partly to do with the worsening of the economy pushing girls to do things they otherwise wouldn't need to do.
If you want to let a customer suck your titties and it's a contact club that allows that, that's fine, but the point of this thread is whether or not girls are OK with customers doing it and the general consensus is that the ones posting on here are not. Letting some guy suck my boobs is absolutely revolting to me (I don't even let guys touch my nipples, they can cup my boobs and that's it, I have very sensitive nipples) and I would never allow it even it cost me a $1000 VIP. But if doesn't bother you to let someone do that and you want the money, fleece him for everything you can. I don't consider letting customers suck your boobs an extra.
However, extras are unfair to clean dancers because they are ILLEGAL and strip clubs are NOT brothels. You can't even compare offering extras to offering free or cheap drinks, that's like running a bar and the bar next door serving cocaine, absinthe, and heroin. I will never understand why girls who do extras work in clubs. Go work as an escort. I have no issue with escorting, but I am not a escort and shouldn't have to compete with them at work.
starlily
05-26-2014, 03:56 PM
I can certainly understand why some types of regulars are to be avoided: such as the lonely, clingy type and the regular who feels his repeated custom entitles him to certain acts or discounts.
Not all regulars are to be avoided, it's just that they're a waste of time unless the club is dead. Maybe I would bother if most of the club's clientele were customers who came in on a regular basis, but the vast majority of them don't. It's a rare (rich) person who can afford to come to the club on a regular basis and still spend a good chunk of money every time.
I also make more money doing 5 dances with 5 random guys who each tip $20 on top of the dance (and they do most of the time, if you request it), than the girl next to me who does a string of dances with one guy who is probably not going to give her a 100% tip after. The more dances a customer does, the smaller his tip % is, generally.
Even without regulars I spent pretty much all of my time doing dances anyway, so why would I need them? And you won't make as much money off them as dancing for a string of one-off guys. Oh, and there's the perk of not feeling like I have to offer uncomfortable contact levels just to keep them around. :)
ushar85
05-26-2014, 05:49 PM
I also make more money doing 5 dances with 5 random guys who each tip $20 on top of the dance (and they do most of the time, if you request it), than the girl next to me who does a string of dances with one guy who is probably not going to give her a 100% tip after.
I'm surprised you can get so many to tip you $20 when they only stuck around for one dance! I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I have never given out a tip when it was requested, and several times the request has persuaded me not to tip when I otherwise would have. I just consider it rude, but clearly many people don't. But if you're getting guys to tip 100% by doing single dances, congrats.
amberlly
05-26-2014, 05:59 PM
Id rather lose customers after extras than hurt myself giving them.
Lots of girls who give free extras expect to be tipped after and aren't soo...its a gamble to take.
lol1337a
05-26-2014, 06:08 PM
Can this thread just die? In a fire maybe?
Every time I think it's over I see it pop up again and I'm reminded of the countless incidents of sexual assault I've encountered as a dancer. Like audrey_k, my nipples are very sensitive and I always tell customers they're off limits. This doesn't stop a lot of assholes from touching them anyway! I would seriously rather be fingered against my will than have my nipples touched. It's that bad.
One time I did a room for a sugar baby and her daddy and at one point while I was straddling him she stood behind me to reach around and nibble his ear. While I was sandwiched he started sucking my nipple and I couldn't get away without knocking her over. It was one of the more traumatic experiences of my life. It was one of the reasons I had to take a three month break from dancing and saw a therapist.
Point being, some women have nipples that are so sensitive that it is traumatic sexual assault to just go for it! Guys, imagine someone you absolutely do not want to touch you sexually just rubbing the tip of your dick or something. My nipples are probably even more sensitive than your dick because they're more sensitive than my clit.
Just having to see the phrase "Customers sucking breasts" all the fucking time makes me not want to go on the site.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 06:30 PM
Every time I think it's over I see it pop up again and I'm reminded of the countless incidents of sexual assault I've encountered as a dancer. Like audrey_k, my nipples are very sensitive and I always tell customers they're off limits. This doesn't stop a lot of assholes from touching them anyway! I would seriously rather be fingered against my will than have my nipples touched. It's that bad.
One time I did a room for a sugar baby and her daddy and at one point while I was straddling him she stood behind me to reach around and nibble his ear. While I was sandwiched he started sucking my nipple and I couldn't get away without knocking her over. It was one of the more traumatic experiences of my life. It was one of the reasons I had to take a three month break from dancing and saw a therapist.
Sorry to hear that. :( Some guys are just assholes, and a SC probably has more than its fair share of them. I have had a drunk girl grab my junk, and while it certainly wasn't stimulating, I kind of just laughed it off. It certainly didn't cause me stress. That's as close as I've come to what you describe. There may be a biological difference that makes a woman more protective of her body, and abhor any acts that violate that protection.
I think the moral of this thread is that it should be at the dancer's discretion and a customer shouldn't expect it. If you've made your wishes clear and the customer violates that, there should be consequences for him.
audrey_k
05-26-2014, 06:36 PM
I'm surprised you can get so many to tip you $20 when they only stuck around for one dance! I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I have never given out a tip when it was requested, and several times the request has persuaded me not to tip when I otherwise would have. I just consider it rude, but clearly many people don't. But if you're getting guys to tip 100% by doing single dances, congrats.
It always depends on how you go about asking and the type of customer it is. The biggest tip I've ever asked for $1200 and he gave me $1000, but I've asked guys for a $10 tip and been denied. Some customers don't mind it and others do. But yeah, if I'm in America and someone doesn't tip me I'm DEFINITELY going to ask for one. I have absolutely nothing o lose, because if you're a customer who did a bunch of dances and didn't tip and you won't give me one when I ask, you're not a customer I'm going to dance with again. These British fuckers don't understand the concept and I wish they would get with the program but they won't and it really affects my $ not being tipped anymore.
I consider it much more rude not to tip for a service than to ask for a tip.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 06:43 PM
All I'm pointing out here is that a "regular" customer is not the only way that a dancer makes money. Far from it.
Yeah, that's certainly true. I've just seen the flip side as well. The preferred club where I live is what I'd classify as a "regulars" club. If you're a customer and new to the club, you may be approached by a dancer only once or twice an hour. Most of the dancers are at the bar or a table talking with their regs. They may not ever approach strangers unless it's uber slow and none of their regs are around.
When I was new to the club myself, I eventually got tired of waiting for several choice ladies to come over to me, and instead approached one of them. When I asked why she didn't circulate, she said she hasn't done that in years. Almost 100% of her income comes from her regs. She prefers not to hustle, so if she can make a very comfortable living by focusing on a select crowd, why should she hustle? I didn't have an answer for her other than to say I guess she shouldn't.
The lack of hustle and demand on the dancers seems to have promoted a great working environment and atmosphere. It's not like any other strip club I've been to. Heck, the last time I was there, three separate dancers asked if I wanted to go partying with them after! Something that rarely ever happens anywhere else. The focus doesn't seem to be so much on $$$ because they're already well covered.
Hopper
05-26-2014, 06:48 PM
Letting strangers slobber on you as a regular part of a $20 dance isn't effective marketing. It's just stupid. If they knew "effective marketing" techniques they'd at least charge extra money for extras, and then there wouldn't be so many customers who are trained to expect extras by default and we wouldn't have to have threads like these. These girls don't just ruin money for everyone else, they ruin money for themselves too! Why would you choose not to make money off of a service you could ABSOLUTELY charge for???? Not smart.
I agree that letting customers slobber on you is stupid but sometimes it's good marketing to offer extra services for no extra cost and it's been done often in other industries. It does bring extra money, by encouraging more frequent sales. If the other dancer is allowing extras for the same price, she's going to get your $20.
But if you can get yourself booked into VIP for the whole night without extras, you don't need them.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 06:48 PM
I consider it much more rude not to tip for a service than to ask for a tip.
Guess we're going to differ on that lol. For me, tipping is purely for exceptional service, and I always tip for exceptional service. No need to ask.
That guy who gave you a $1000 tip, did you dance for him all day?! Or did he give you a 5000% tip? I get the impression you're a very high-end dancer....
Hopper
05-26-2014, 06:57 PM
^ oh please, you couldn't fork over an extra 10, 20 or 30 bucks for a great dance?? god i hate that. regardless of extras, if a girl gives you a great dance i don't see why customers are so damn cheap that they can't return the favor with tipping a little bit. i mean really
I always assume that the set price is for a great dance. The prices at clubs I go to are quite high. Even an average dancer can make $1200 a night. The reason you do a great dance is so that you can sell more of them. That said, I do make a habit of tipping dancers I like, e.g. buying drinks, tipping for stage dances. I know many other customers are cheap so if I think a dancer deserves a break, I tip her.
audrey_k
05-26-2014, 07:03 PM
So you would go into a restaurant and not tip a waitress because it wasn't "exceptional service?" The only time I wouldn't tip a waitress is if she did something really wrong.
My old club just had a lot of high-spenders, it was in a wealthy part of LA and attracted a lot of high-powered businessmen who came to clubs regularly. He did an hour VIP, it was $1200 (it was expensive there) and I put my hand on his arm, leaned in and whispered "how about you put $2500 on the card babe?" (sorry I lied I asked for a $1300 tip). He laughed and told the waitress to put $2200. He became one of my regs. It wasn't just me though, he was obsessed with one of the waitresses and he tipped her a grand a couple times too, he just had a lot of money and no kids or a wife so I guess it wasn't that big a deal to throw it away at the SC. He was very strange though, like a total fucking weirdo. He was super dirty and the first time I danced for him he wanted me to suck his dick and I acted very hurt and said something like "babe I'm a good girl and don't do stuff like that, I've only ever slept with one person!" and he freaked out and went on and on about how sorry and ashamed he was and from then on we would just talk and cuddle when he did VIPs and he called me his "little princess". He was awesome. I miss him.
But yeah I wouldn't do that with every customer because yes, some guys would freak out about being asked for a tip. The best reg I've ever had used to give me tips bigger than this other customer but if I had even so much as asked that man for a drink I don't think he ever would have spoken to me again (not that I ever needed to ask him for a drink, he was truly generous). It just depends on the customer and how you phrase it. You have to say it in a half-joking way or be hella seductive about it. Or act really hurt and like you're gonna cry cause you think they hated your dance and that's why they didn't tip you. There's an art to it. ;) And yeah, it doesn't always work, cause like I've said, I've had a guy do a $40 dance and asked for $50 and been screeched at and insulted and complained about to a manager.
ushar85
05-26-2014, 07:03 PM
I always assume that the set price is for a great dance. The prices at clubs I go to are quite high. Even an average dancer can make $1200 a night. The reason you do a great dance is so that you can sell more of them
That's one of the points I was trying to make. Strip clubs are one of the worst values in terms of entertainment. From what I can tell, they only exist in their current form because some countries have a stick up their arse with regards to sexuality.
I think it's wrong for dancers to expect a tip, just as I think it's wrong for a customer to expect her to put out. Too much gimme gimme in strip clubs....
ushar85
05-26-2014, 07:04 PM
So you would go into a restaurant and not tip a waitress because it wasn't "exceptional service?" The only time I wouldn't tip a waitress is if she did something really wrong.
I tip waitresses for okay service because they make $2/hour and I don't agree with that.
audrey_k
05-26-2014, 07:09 PM
I tip waitresses for okay service because they make $2/hour and I don't agree with that.
No one makes $2 an hour, that is below minimum wage anywhere. And strippers don't make ANYTHING an hour unless they get tipped and do dances, and personally taking your clothes off and shoving your boobs and your as in someones face is a LOT more work emotionally and physically than bringing a plate of food to someone's table, so I fail to grasp your point.
yoda57us
05-26-2014, 07:12 PM
Things are getting a bit too off topic for my liking here. I'm going to close this thread for now and decide if it's worth giving it a chance to get back on track. Maybe we've beaten this topic into the ground...