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Djoser
03-12-2014, 06:26 PM
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/swat-raids-strip-club-random-inspection-photograph-strippers-investigative-purposes/

Sounds like overkill to me.

But they sure picked the wrong dancer (or 'hairdresser'?) to interview in the video, she looked like she was on some kind of shit.

Melonie
03-12-2014, 10:28 PM
^^^ one must assume that this was intended to send a message to SoCal dancers ... the state will make it a point to know your real identities, and expects that license fees and income taxes will be paid !!! It was also arguably intended to send a message to SoCal strip club owners ... the state will make it a point to make sure you follow 'legal work status' hiring mandates and tax reporting mandates ( for both the club itself and for the club's dancers ).

jannisary
03-12-2014, 10:41 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/story/constitutional-rights-attorney-says-police-trampled-the-4th-amendment-rights-of-strippers-20140312


The city of San Diego could be facing dozens of lawsuits in the wake of a work permit operation conducted on nearly 30 strippers at Cheetahs strip club in Kearny Mesa.

"They went in there and they just trampled over these women's civil rights," said constitutional rights attorney Dan Gilleon.

Melonie
03-13-2014, 12:09 AM
^^^ that sounds all well and good ... but ...

In San Diego, exotic dancing is a licensed activity requiring the 'permission' of gov't. I strongly suspect that, if actually taken to court, the judge is going to rule that applying for / holding an exotic dancer's license effectively surrendered that portion of the girl's rights since she willingly consented to the conditions imposed by that license ( identity check, background check, whatever ). Implicit to holding a dancer's license is ( ongoing ) consent ... i.e. permission for the gov't to verify identity, perform background checks etc. did not stop once the license was initially granted.

If dancer's licenses were not required, then the civil rights attorney's point would be valid. However, in SD and other places requiring dancer's licenses, exotic dancing is a 'privilege'.

Almost Jaded
03-13-2014, 12:49 AM
^...and we can all expect more of this, in all our lives, in the very near future.

Djoser
03-13-2014, 03:51 AM
The fact that your average lapdance is legally regarded as an act of prostitution in most of the USA does not help matters.

Melonie
03-13-2014, 11:55 AM
^^^ exactly.

From a contact in California I hear that the state franchise tax board and the state DoL are pushing hard to have exotic dancers throughout the state deemed 'statutory employees'. This will allow the state to collect more income tax revenues from dancers, and more state disability and unemployment fund money from the clubs. This will also make the clubs at least partly culpable for future 'prostitution' / 'lewd conduct' based club busts.

Almost Jaded
03-13-2014, 12:04 PM
California & New York - how do people watch what goes on in those two states and still vote for their style of politics. Seriously - it boggles my mind.

gocanucks
03-13-2014, 12:18 PM
California & New York - how do people watch what goes on in those two states and still vote for their style of politics. Seriously - it boggles my mind.

As a Canadian and relative newbie to the Forum, so long as political discussion is OK - are these both Republican or Democrat-run areas?

Honestly, regardless of politics, it seems more like a case of the DA pandering to the ultra-religious / "family-value" votes, with a side benefit of gaining more revenue from taxes.

FWIW, Melonie - since you are the most plugged in - do you think taking pictures of tattoos falls within the scope of verifying licences that are head-shots? Seems like a civil rights lawyer could make the case the raid & pics exceeded the scope that licences grant (total layman here, so just asking).

knightwish
03-13-2014, 12:38 PM
California & New York - how do people watch what goes on in those two states and still vote for their style of politics. Seriously - it boggles my mind.

How would this be better with Republicans? LA, NYC, SF are all good-great stripclub, dungeon, escort, massage... cities. While there are problems with the Dems the dems are mainly reasonably friendly to adult business. They don't do the kind of unending crackdowns that you often (but not always) see in Republican cities.

But more importantly. While I like adult businesses far more damaging than a few raids is the creation of the huge prison industrial complex which needs massive numbers of people serving long sentences. And on average that's been Republicans not Dems. In addition the destruction of the middle classes and lower upper class T by transferring wealth so far up the pyramid has been far more damaging to adult business. Then there are secondary effects:
The destruction of American's physical infrastructure -- which has undermined the blue collar in America and their clubs
The destruction of American's education system by starving it for funds -- which will harm the industry for the next 3 generations.

Why do people vote for those governments? Because the alternative is simply unthinkably dreadful.

knightwish
03-13-2014, 12:39 PM
As a Canadian and relative newbie to the Forum, so long as political discussion is OK - are these both Republican or Democrat-run areas?

San Diego is traditionally moderate Republican but has recently swung Dem. California is solid Dem.

Melonie
03-13-2014, 01:05 PM
As a Canadian and relative newbie to the Forum, so long as political discussion is OK

my understanding is that political discussion for its own sake is against site rules.



California & New York - how do people watch what goes on in those two states and still

I now watch from 'way south of the border' ! It' a lot less painful than still paying rising NY taxes, and dealing with increasing NY laws.



FWIW, Melonie - since you are the most plugged in - do you think taking pictures of tattoos falls within the scope of verifying licences that are head-shots? Seems like a civil rights lawyer could make the case the raid & pics exceeded the scope that licences grant (total layman here, so just asking).

good point ! Probably the case. However if city gov't just recently changed from R to D, as a practical matter I doubt the ACLU will make much of an effort.

chloemay
03-13-2014, 02:35 PM
my understanding is that political discussion for its own sake is against site rules.




I now watch from 'way south of the border' ! It' a lot less painful than still paying rising NY taxes, and dealing with increasing NY laws.




good point ! Probably the case. However if city gov't just recently changed from R to D, as a practical matter I doubt the ACLU will make much of an effort.

Melonie, usually I find your posts informative yet depressing but this one cracked me up. If i had an awesome "You go girl" gif it would be here.

oldster
03-13-2014, 03:21 PM
California & New York - how do people watch what goes on in those two states and still vote for their style of politics. Seriously - it boggles my mind.

compared to the public stoning desired by the right wing?