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tropo
04-26-2014, 02:11 PM
^^ I never watch other girls. After 12 hours on cam I don't have any interest whatsoever. In the old days I occasionally had a look, but not any more. I learn more here.

There's only so much a girl can do to make money - the rest is down to sex appeal. I've had friends who couldn't make a dime on cam no matter how much I taught them. My first shift is proof enough of that. I was non-stop private for 12 hours - and didn't have a clue what to do. No one taught me anything before my first shift. I just smiled and in they came. I didn't realise till weeks later that my cam was out of focus because I didn't know it had a manual focus ring - Logitech pro4000.

Camigirl
04-26-2014, 02:19 PM
I'm very curious about this admin that watches rooms... how do you know they are watching? What does it look like when they actually type to you? How do you know it is not a regular person using a name that looks like an admin name? I'm going to be on the look out for this... I don't see how they could watch over ALL models on the site at the same time.

I only split cam so I am always asking for tips, gold, etc. in free chat. I even talk about joining my gold show when I ever do them, and you would think that would catch the eye/ear of an admin and they would say something to me about it? I don't even bother to mute my mic on there when I do it.

It is really frustrating when sites are so inconsistent with enforcing their rules, so I understand that. Even on SM I have been warned for many things I see others getting away with. Makes you wonder what causes some models to be watched more closely on sites rather than others?

Admins type in green. Only they have that color.

You know it's an Admin because they take you private, their name says Admin. No member can take that name Admin, also I always got a follow up email from them.
I am not sure about this pop up window thing, must be new after I left. They would only either take you private, or after you had an email from them, or support message from them. You don't know they are watching. I know they can't watch all rooms at the same time. But who the hell knows what is going on, these people (Admins) work from home in countries you are not allowed to block. I think like some performers scan rooms, some Admins can go to a category and hold the cursor over a performers image and see live what she is doing in free, maybe more for Admin.

I always got a follow up email or support message after a warning in private. Admin on LJ never enters the free chat room and types, ever. Admin is a word they have blocked big time. Actually if I go back to my logs they may use a name they have when they take you into a private warning as well.

I know for a fact I had the site Admin. I even have their number, I have used it many times. It was given to me when I first signed with LJ by an Admin, you get a woman or a male, usually different person every time. I was picked on simply because of the resident stalker I really think on there who hates me. He was reporting me for banning him... lol which he does not ban btw.

That's all the info. I have. I do have screen shots Sarah to show you if you would like... the shit was bad!

Busygirl
04-26-2014, 02:26 PM
Thanks for making me laugh, i can relate.

Sometimes i wonder, if camming have evolved in different ways, and more fun for customers, if performers weren't watching and copying each other, or telling each other what to do.

Busygirl
04-26-2014, 02:30 PM
And yeah jasmin doesn't stand for "cooking shows" reality styles, i was told by admin to lay there romanian style, between 6 pillows, and a picture on the wall behind me :D Just look around on the site, almost all rooms look the same, i thought performers wore almost the same outfits, supper skinny, teddy style.

Browneyes
04-26-2014, 06:36 PM
I used to work as a admin ( not for LJ) and the way it was done at my studio was...we had more than one admin live ( so has LJ) we had two screens with girls, certain amount of girls for each admin, you could see what was going on no matter if a girl was in free or pvt and access to pvt archives to see if they are saying something they should not. I was gonna say they can watch you pretty much all the time, but as a admin you got other shit to do too.
There has been a pop up window on Lj for about a year. There are compliments and warnings.
They are getting a bit Nazi with their rules and requirements. I know they r trying to be the best site, but it's starting to be an impossible job for a girl who wants to start working at Lj. Everything has to be professional, profile picture, teaser video, make up, hair, your room must be stylish and mysterious. If you don't fulfil one of their requirements you will get warning about being banned from their awards and they will make you less visible for members.

AliceFun
04-27-2014, 01:19 AM
Maybe this could be the LJ thread? A lot of good info in here, maybe Jane wanna change the thread name?

I expressed already my opinion about this site, i dont like this cam work environment especially for an independent cam girl, studio girls might find it easier to work this site cause they dont own the rooms & equipment, everything they use except their persona belongs to the studio.
Studios invest into rooms looks/ work equipment & train their models on how to work, take professional pics for them using pro photographers, i saw myself how studios operate when i wanted to work for one as a trainer here in my country.

But as an independent cam model u might find it difficult to have the best internet, cam, room setup, lights and all cause u need to invest into these stuff, for new cam girls is even more difficult when u just dont have the money & wanna start up.

For example i dont have a working digital camera to take pics with & they wont approve a profile picture taken with the webcam, i wanted to give site another try; i work at home & have the best internet in my area but still wont be enough to run SM site in HD, ImLive & Jasmin as my intention is to splitcam.
From what i remember Jasmin dont let u set ur own encoder parameters like SM, same for imlive therefore both sites will 'pull' the highest parameters off ur pc/ connection in order to run their software which means u need a top notch pc & connection in order to work on these sites & splitcam eventually.

So i consider LJ is now & mostly designed for studio models as a small part of independent models are able or willing to use their entire resources for this site only. I know i am not willing nor able, i prefer to work SM & another site(s) where i can setup/ direct my room as i want w.o fearing the cam site police is behind my back, that's why i dont have a boss & work for my own, to have the freedom to do what i want in my room (within the site rules but not LJ rules), i dont want Jasmin site to boss me around, i dont want anyone to boss me around, that's why i am independent cam girl & not working vanilla job to be a slave for others.
Cheers!

apryll11
04-27-2014, 11:33 AM
Maybe this could be the LJ thread? A lot of good info in here, maybe Jane wanna change the thread name?

I expressed already my opinion about this site, i dont like this cam work environment especially for an independent cam girl, studio girls might find it easier to work this site cause they dont own the rooms & equipment, everything they use except their persona belongs to the studio.
Studios invest into rooms looks/ work equipment & train their models on how to work, take professional pics for them using pro photographers, i saw myself how studios operate when i wanted to work for one as a trainer here in my country.

But as an independent cam model u might find it difficult to have the best internet, cam, room setup, lights and all cause u need to invest into these stuff, for new cam girls is even more difficult when u just dont have the money & wanna start up.

For example i dont have a working digital camera to take pics with & they wont approve a profile picture taken with the webcam, i wanted to give site another try; i work at home & have the best internet in my area but still wont be enough to run SM site in HD, ImLive & Jasmin as my intention is to splitcam.
From what i remember Jasmin dont let u set ur own encoder parameters like SM, same for imlive therefore both sites will 'pull' the highest parameters off ur pc/ connection in order to run their software which means u need a top notch pc & connection in order to work on these sites & splitcam eventually.

So i consider LJ is now & mostly designed for studio models as a small part of independent models are able or willing to use their entire resources for this site only. I know i am not willing nor able, i prefer to work SM & another site(s) where i can setup/ direct my room as i want w.o fearing the cam site police is behind my back, that's why i dont have a boss & work for my own, to have the freedom to do what i want in my room (within the site rules but not LJ rules), i dont want Jasmin site to boss me around, i dont want anyone to boss me around, that's why i am independent cam girl & not working vanilla job to be a slave for others.
Cheers!

Any independent model can invest in the proper equipment and lighting, its a less then $80 investment to get a HD webcam and lamps are cheap, I've yet to pay over 2.50usd for a cam light. Naturally black boxes and umbrella lamps are gonna cost a little more but your lack of having it doesn't mean your any less professional looking on cam. Ive yet to see a studio girl as a top model on that site so I honestly don't think that "training" is giving them a leg up on the competition. We are all Just as capability as any studio, if not more.

Yep,lol, they will never approve a webcam pic, they make a point of saying that on setup. I pretty sure if you have a true HD webcam that wont matter.

If you use the stand alone you can change the encoder perimeters, its not as involved as the SM one but you can make changes. I believe the only requirement is you have to have an upload speed of 2 (or 1.5). They go in to great detail on their wiki page and they even let you know what you should lower if you split.

JaneBurgess
04-28-2014, 02:42 PM
I don't get the issues in here. If a site doesn't work for you then move on and find a new site. Arguing about it doesn't make any sense because the site works for others. We all have different styles and different work ethics. It's not a big deal.

JaneBurgess
04-28-2014, 02:46 PM
I've cammed since 2005 and know a lot of top performers that work on various sites. They will not eat on cam because that's not attractive at all. Unless you are being paid to eat in a show it's rude. Camming is a job and just like any other job you take a break to eat. Logging off for ten minutes isn't going to kill anyone.




^^ There is a reason why the site is generally disliked. People aren't hating just for the sake of hating.

Do you really know so many top models and watch them all right through their shifts to be able to say there's no top models who eat on cam? Obviously if a model is very busy, they're not going to be eating, are they? They're not eating because they are busy, because they don't have time to eat... is another way to look at it. When I'm busy I also don't have time for snacks... but through very quiet periods I won't log off to have a quick snack. You can snack, drink and even check your phone while on cam and still stay alert. You can stay in front of the cam, but hide your mouth - but that's not good enough for LJ, is it?

I'm not here to hate on LJ. I'm here to learn about the experiences of different models who work the site as I'm signed up and thinking about it. Right now the negatives far outweigh the positives I've read here. Obviously anyone who puts their mind to it can make money, but at what cost? A couple of frustrations similar to what I've read here would be more than enough to send me away, so I don't have to waste my time starting. I don't like being treated like a child when working on a site.

Just to be clear, I'm looking for other sites to split to and I was considering LJ as an option, therefore I signed up.

tropo
04-28-2014, 03:10 PM
I've cammed since 2005 and know a lot of top performers that work on various sites. They will not eat on cam because that's not attractive at all. Unless you are being paid to eat in a show it's rude. Camming is a job and just like any other job you take a break to eat. Logging off for ten minutes isn't going to kill anyone.

I've also cammed since 2005, and I don't believe that most models don't snack while working ....sorry. Sure, during busy times there's no time, but in quieter moments of course they will. Logging off is not an option because you lose momentum.

We're having discussion here and I'm finding it very useful. If it seemed to get argumentative, it was only because of Sam's "gestapo" style input several posts ago.

It's not like we're discussing eating a 3 course meal on cam, but snacking - you know, like peanuts, chips, fruit... sipping on coffee, tea, Red Bull etc... it was also mentioned that the chewing is normally done off cam view. That's not rude at all but seriously, I find your use of the word "rude" a bit bizarre in the context of the cam porn business. If you don't mind working with cam police breathing over your shoulder, don't mind us - go ahead. I think it's degrading for people you're making money for to treat you like a bunch of children. Each to their own.

Back in 2005 I found that most sites were heavier on rules than they are now. There's too much competition now. Girls have more options. They don't put up with as much shit as they used to. Why aren't there so many US girls working on LJ if it's such a fantastic site? My original site used to have moderators popping in all too often to enforce rules - I never see them these days. They had to ease off to keep their models from leaving.

I also disagree that camming is a job. It's not a job, it's a business. If it was a job you'd be paid an hourly rate. In that case our employers would have full rights to stand over their employees demanding that they do exactly as instructed.

AliceFun
04-28-2014, 03:32 PM
Kidding a little here but Jane, LJ wont be too happy to see u keeping cam on ur tits or ceiling, just saying ;)

Also i get it that Sam goes always for how to promote, do business, etc etc but hey, do we forget Sam is a porn star with years of experience and reputation behind her back?
U learn to do real business after a good while, we dont expect a new cam girl to be able to do business at that level when she barely knows what she is doing on cam, right?
Maybe not everyone wanna develop cam work to a business level, ok i get the point but is not a must, i can be a cam girl w.o being a business woman, if i wanna be lousy on cam or have a bad day or whatever then i wanna have the right to be like that, members will tax me for it but i dont need cam sites to boss me around; i am getting tired of all these cliche honestly.

Busygirl
04-28-2014, 04:47 PM
One more time :D: no one was eating, i was pointing out admin error and general harassment on this site.

No one needs to be convinced about anything, good or bad, as i'm sure they will they will find out if they cam enough on here, and not just a few hours a day. Those who cam 8+ hours on here daily will get to know the site better.

One more thing: i'm in usa and since the site is requiring super quality stream, i tested speed through admin to their servers, and although i have 10 mgb upload here, i hardly had 1 mgb to the site since the server is so far away ( or who knows what).

JaneBurgess
04-28-2014, 05:07 PM
Thats the views the losers on Streamate get for being cheap assclowns. That's why I want another site, that site has become freeloaders paradise and it's annoying as fuck.

Once again it's not a site for everyone, but that is every cam site known to man. You find the site that suits you and work on there.




Kidding a little here but Jane, LJ wont be too happy to see u keeping cam on ur tits or ceiling, just saying ;)

Also i get it that Sam goes always for how to promote, do business, etc etc but hey, do we forget Sam is a porn star with years of experience and reputation behind her back?
U learn to do real business after a good while, we dont expect a new cam girl to be able to do business at that level when she barely knows what she is doing on cam, right?
Maybe not everyone wanna develop cam work to a business level, ok i get the point but is not a must, i can be a cam girl w.o being a business woman, if i wanna be lousy on cam or have a bad day or whatever then i wanna have the right to be like that, members will tax me for it but i dont need cam sites to boss me around; i am getting tired of all these cliche honestly.

Camigirl
04-28-2014, 05:17 PM
Hey Busygirl, I also have done the speed test with them, I as well can not make the trip, I thank you for bringing that up. While I run the fastest speed in my area. This used to work for for LJ for years! They changed everything up and now that also has affected me more than anything to them. I did have an Admin say we can work it out... But I just don't know. He said the rules are rules and yes there are many and they expect they will be enforced, OK. But my fucking speed is the killer.

As for being professional, I think we all are here. I think this thread is good. I also know that one of the cam performers here in the thread used to work LJ and her room along with quality was very very nice!

All in all I made damn good money there! Just getting my foot back in the door with the baggage I have there may be super tough for me as well.

PS on a bright side of this thread I am making friends with an Admin on LJ. He is cool and willing to help me anyway he can, so there is a positive to this thread, he lets me know that some Admins are tougher than others, that is expected at any place of work. I did a speed test with him when as well a few minutes ago, and I suck!!! LOl.
I can't make the trip either to Portugal. That could be an issue. I may need a Portugal Proxy....lo. JK.

apryll11
04-28-2014, 07:06 PM
One more time :D: no one was eating, i was pointing out admin error and general harassment on this site.

No one needs to be convinced about anything, good or bad, as i'm sure they will they will find out if they cam enough on here, and not just a few hours a day. Those who cam 8+ hours on here daily will get to know the site better.

One more thing: i'm in usa and since the site is requiring super quality stream, i tested speed through admin to their servers, and although i have 10 mgb upload here, i hardly had 1 mgb to the site since the server is so far away ( or who knows what).

It may not have you that was eating that meal but girl are eating, I've seen plenty of screen shots on SM with them about to bite it, chewing, etc. It is so not sexy. Why any girl would choose to have that room shot feature enabled when they like to eat on cam is beyond me.

I think there is something wrong with LJ speed tester. that's something If its hurting your placement you have to talk to CC. My upload is at 50 but when I test my speed with them its in the 20's. A lil 1 or 2 mgb difference I can understand but over half, their servers in Germany have nothing to do with us and our connection in America. Their shit is calibrated wrong

JaneBurgess
04-28-2014, 11:08 PM
I don't get why anyone cares what site I or another cam performer does. If I want the camera on my tits on Streamate I will put them on my tits. Its a bit creepy that performers watch each other period. Unless you actually know the performer and are friends you shouldn't be watching them. Perhaps its normal but I only pop onto rooms of ladies I know to say hi and tip. FYI camera pointed at tits or ceiling equals assclowns in my room. :)

AliceFun
04-28-2014, 11:32 PM
^^^ This is a direct insult towards me sweetie, i have the right to watch whomever i want in invisible mode, u should be thankful to people posting here and giving input about this site, good or bad so u know what to expect when going to work there, u asked for it, now take it w.o being arrogant towards the ones that wanna help you. Things are not always black & white, there are lots of grey shades also. You seem to be kinda 'extreme' & unhappy cam girl, i can read it on ur face, i feel ur emotions & they not positive always, just saying in case u wanna know. Dont want this to turn into a personal fight with u but pls refrain from insulting people that give u input. Cheers!

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 12:08 AM
It was a question and some of you turned it into a negative thread. I asked about payments not if you thought the site sucked. You seem to be an idiot that doesn't have the first clue about me so don't attempt to post your lame ass theories. That is a direct insult towards you sweetie. I am direct, not extreme and you should probably worry about yourself and not creep on other people. You do want to turn this into a personal fight and if you are stupid enough to think you can post that and not start a fight you are even more of a dumbass than I thought. Nothing I said in here prior was rude to anyone and you should learn to spell. This is a forum not a text message.




^^^ This is a direct insult towards me sweetie, i have the right to watch whomever i want in invisible mode, u should be thankful to people posting here and giving input about this site, good or bad so u know what to expect when going to work there, u asked for it, now take it w.o being arrogant towards the ones that wanna help you. Things are not always black & white, there are lots of grey shades also. You seem to be kinda 'extreme' & unhappy cam girl, i can read it on ur face, i feel ur emotions & they not positive always, just saying in case u wanna know. Dont want this to turn into a personal fight with u but pls refrain from insulting people that give u input. Cheers!

Busygirl
04-29-2014, 12:11 AM
They have a peek feature on this site, so every time you are in member chat and doing whatever, pvt on another site, don't pick your nose, because members can watch you for $1 a minute, that's 30 cents per minute, or lower, depending. Lots of them got smart and won't take you pvt and only peek. Since i go into members chat when i,m dong a pvt on other site, and pointed my camera towards the ceiling because i didn't want them to peek at my hardcore show on another site for that little, got a warning immediately. I left camview in member chat for handwash break after show, and got a warning. i signed onto site and went to turn on one more light, got a warning, etc.
So these are the stuff performers trying to warn you about, before you sign up, but somehow it translates that we might want to keep you away from this site?! i don't think so, but we are very very frustrated with this site lately, that's all, so we are going to voice our opinions on it.

AliceFun
04-29-2014, 12:15 AM
OMG Jane really? Fine, nevermind, SMH here, whatever!

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 12:15 AM
I get it but no one should be arguing in here. I think people feel passionate about things and it comes across wrong sometimes when you write it. It really is to each their own. I get LJ isn't a site for everyone and that's ok. Strict doesn't work for everyone but for others it works well. I do think not having no rules tends to allow performers to run wild, but that's just my opinion. I guess as a site you have to try to find a happy medium. I haven't really surfed the site to see how many performers are American. I focus more on what works for me.



I've also cammed since 2005, and I don't believe that most models don't snack while working ....sorry. Sure, during busy times there's no time, but in quieter moments of course they will. Logging off is not an option because you lose momentum.

We're having discussion here and I'm finding it very useful. If it seemed to get argumentative, it was only because of Sam's "gestapo" style input several posts ago.

It's not like we're discussing eating a 3 course meal on cam, but snacking - you know, like peanuts, chips, fruit... sipping on coffee, tea, Red Bull etc... it was also mentioned that the chewing is normally done off cam view. That's not rude at all but seriously, I find your use of the word "rude" a bit bizarre in the context of the cam porn business. If you don't mind working with cam police breathing over your shoulder, don't mind us - go ahead. I think it's degrading for people you're making money for to treat you like a bunch of children. Each to their own.

Back in 2005 I found that most sites were heavier on rules than they are now. There's too much competition now. Girls have more options. They don't put up with as much shit as they used to. Why aren't there so many US girls working on LJ if it's such a fantastic site? My original site used to have moderators popping in all too often to enforce rules - I never see them these days. They had to ease off to keep their models from leaving.

I also disagree that camming is a job. It's not a job, it's a business. If it was a job you'd be paid an hourly rate. In that case our employers would have full rights to stand over their employees demanding that they do exactly as instructed.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 12:18 AM
Don't start drama, it's pretty simple.



OMG Jane really? Fine, nevermind, SMH here, whatever!

Busygirl
04-29-2014, 12:19 AM
OMg, this is really not needed. I kinda want to quit posting on this thread now.

Since i cam on this site, i was excited that we had a thread about it. Maybe we can start a new thread dedicated to this site?


It was a question and some of you turned it into a negative thread. I asked about payments not if you thought the site sucked. You seem to be an idiot that doesn't have the first clue about me so don't attempt to post your lame ass theories. That is a direct insult towards you sweetie. I am direct, not extreme and you should probably worry about yourself and not creep on other people. You do want to turn this into a personal fight and if you are stupid enough to think you can post that and not start a fight you are even more of a dumbass than I thought. Nothing I said in here prior was rude to anyone and you should learn to spell. This is a forum not a text message.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 12:28 AM
I appreciate it, I really do. I just get pissed that so many of these threads turn into someone starting an fight. I don't understand why people can't share their experience without drama. I get the frustration with the site. Hell I might even hate the site after I cam on it. I won't know unless I try but I have read what everyone posted and I read the sites rules too. Cams.com is like that with leaving the view of the camera. They want you on cam every second you are logged in. I just stop broadcasting if I have to get something. They warned me once when I left for 30 seconds to grab a pair of heels.




They have a peek feature on this site, so every time you are in member chat and doing whatever, pvt on another site, don't pick your nose, because members can watch you for $1 a minute, that's 30 cents per minute, or lower, depending. Lots of them got smart and won't take you pvt and only peek. Since i go into members chat when i,m dong a pvt on other site, and pointed my camera towards the ceiling because i didn't want them to peek at my hardcore show on another site for that little, got a warning immediately. I left camview in member chat for handwash break after show, and got a warning. i signed onto site and went to turn on one more light, got a warning, etc.
So these are the stuff performers trying to warn you about, before you sign up, but somehow it translates that we might want to keep you away from this site?! i don't think so, but we are very very frustrated with this site lately, that's all, so we are going to voice our opinions on it.

AliceFun
04-29-2014, 01:01 AM
Jane, maybe u believe 'u set me straight' but it's very nasty of u to use all that derogatory terms towards me, i reported ur post, i just made a naughty comment about ur camera ceiling view & u said i should not watch others unless we friends, u said it's creepy to watch and such. I watch rooms for research purpose & to learn, see how members react on different camming style & see models hustle & learn from it.
Just so u know, it's nasty to insult another cammodel about her spelling when i am not a native english speaker same like you are not either, ur english is not perfect & u dont really articulate words properly.
I am somewhat not surprised to see ur nasty reaction, i always felt u are a cold hearted person & too bold in expressing ur views sometimes but now i know for sure i was right, u showed ur true face in here just now.

If i recall correctly i dont know how many times u posted about leaving SM & not comming back but u go back there, no matter where u go u seem not to be happy with the sites, it's ur attitude that sucks actually i reckon. U dont deserve all the input people gave u here.

tropo
04-29-2014, 03:12 AM
I appreciate it, I really do. I just get pissed that so many of these threads turn into someone starting an fight. I don't understand why people can't share their experience without drama. I get the frustration with the site. Hell I might even hate the site after I cam on it. I won't know unless I try but I have read what everyone posted and I read the sites rules too. Cams.com is like that with leaving the view of the camera. They want you on cam every second you are logged in. I just stop broadcasting if I have to get something. They warned me once when I left for 30 seconds to grab a pair of heels.

Interesting! I'm also signed up with Cams.com. I didn't know they had a strict rule about leaving cam view. You just helped me cement my decision to give them a miss. I worked on there for about an hour last month, but stopped after I noticed a problem on my sales list (they underpaid me for 2 voyeur views) and I've been waiting a month to get that looked into and they have yet to resolve it or come up with an explanation. After a month I'm convinced they're ignoring me so they won't have to admit they're cheating. I get the feeling they expect most models won't look too closely at their sales lists... which of course is not easy to do if you're busy... and then when they do make a query, as I have, they just keep telling you the problem is being looked at.

Rina
04-29-2014, 09:44 AM
Cams.com is also super strict about showing your face. I once got warning there because i was bent over showing my ass and my face could not be seen. /threadjack

tropo
04-29-2014, 10:39 AM
^^ that is seriously fucked up.

SarahTime
04-29-2014, 12:11 PM
Interesting! I'm also signed up with Cams.com. I didn't know they had a strict rule about leaving cam view. You just helped me cement my decision to give them a miss. I worked on there for about an hour last month, but stopped after I noticed a problem on my sales list (they underpaid me for 2 voyeur views) and I've been waiting a month to get that looked into and they have yet to resolve it or come up with an explanation. After a month I'm convinced they're ignoring me so they won't have to admit they're cheating. I get the feeling they expect most models won't look too closely at their sales lists... which of course is not easy to do if you're busy... and then when they do make a query, as I have, they just keep telling you the problem is being looked at.

Depending on where the guy is located it can show different earnings. They just recently started labeling all the foreign transactions with a little flag so that you are aware the earnings might not equal out how you think they should. It has to do with the VAT tax for European countries.

Cams.com isn't too strict about not showing your face. I think they just require that you show your face at least some of the time during each broadcast.

tropo
04-29-2014, 12:55 PM
I'm aware of the little orange arrows, which have nothing to do with me as I'm not in Europe, but I'm talking about voyeur views being charged at about 1/3 of what I was owed. A price per minute is a price per minute - where the guy comes from has nothing to do with it. All customers will buy credits in dollars.

Try to get some answers from customer support about why all show commissions are being paid in full minutes with no fractions.

It took me about 5 emails over 2 weeks to get an answer, and that was only because I was extremely persistent as they tried their best to fob me off with bs. I'll bet my bottom dollar they're skimming all the minute fractions off every private. it'll be hard to prove as you'd have to sit there with a stopwatch and check the pay immediately after a show.

After a full month of back and forth correspondence with tech support and accounting I'm concluding they're a bunch of scammers. It will take quite a bit of evidence to change my mind on that.

What's their pay out percentage you may ask them? Steamray: "it's 45% of 65%". Seriously? That doesn't sound like double talk scamming?

I think I'd take LJ's cam police over Streamrays bs if I had to make a choice. Rules vs scams - choose your poison.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 01:11 PM
Give me a break. You make personal comments and then give a lame excuse that you don't want to cause a fight. Hello, yes you did and do. I don't care if you reported the posting, you need to not make a personal attack and then cry victim. I know most of the performers on here and they will tell you I am a very nice person. However I am not going to tolerate a stranger telling me how I am in real life. Perhaps you need to either grow up or take responsibility when you insult other people. I have always said I do not tolerate ignorance, hate or plain stupidity. Being an honest person is not cold hearted either. Not everyone can live in the fake positive world some of you on here try to act exists.

You also seem to worry a lot about me. I suggest focusing on yourself because you seem to have your own issues. Damn you seem a bit stalkish to be honest.



Jane, maybe u believe 'u set me straight' but it's very nasty of u to use all that derogatory terms towards me, i reported ur post, i just made a naughty comment about ur camera ceiling view & u said i should not watch others unless we friends, u said it's creepy to watch and such. I watch rooms for research purpose & to learn, see how members react on different camming style & see models hustle & learn from it.
Just so u know, it's nasty to insult another cammodel about her spelling when i am not a native english speaker same like you are not either, ur english is not perfect & u dont really articulate words properly.
I am somewhat not surprised to see ur nasty reaction, i always felt u are a cold hearted person & too bold in expressing ur views sometimes but now i know for sure i was right, u showed ur true face in here just now.

If i recall correctly i dont know how many times u posted about leaving SM & not comming back but u go back there, no matter where u go u seem not to be happy with the sites, it's ur attitude that sucks actually i reckon. U dont deserve all the input people gave u here.

Camigirl
04-29-2014, 02:45 PM
I want to cam on there but another performer said they heard the performers are never paid on time. I was wondering what your experience is with payments. I personally like the rules on there and that they expect you to always have hair and make-up done and dress nice. That's what I am into anyways. Thanks
LJ has always paid me on time, they loaded my Payoneer. Never had an issue with Pay. LJ used to pay us with ePassporte. which was horrid, and shut down Visa, we just had a small waiting period (at least I did) with two weeks pay sitting on that card. It was scary as shit! Finally I got my money as LJ said they would.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 03:21 PM
I remember ePassporte and their whole scandal. They still owe people a lot of people money, it's really tragic how fast they went down.



LJ has always paid me on time, they loaded my Payoneer. Never had an issue with Pay. LJ used to pay us with ePassporte. which was horrid, and shut down Visa, we just had a small waiting period (at least I did) with two weeks pay sitting on that card. It was scary as shit! Finally I got my money as LJ said they would.

Rina
04-29-2014, 03:27 PM
Cams.com isn't too strict about not showing your face. I think they just require that you show your face at least some of the time during each broadcast.

Hmm I had my face on cam the whole time except when I was showing my ass, and I did get a warning for not showing my face along with the screen shot. I was showing ass for a while and it is pretty big :). For what it's worth the customer asked for me to show my ass closeup and it was a private. It felt strict to me, but I didn't use the site very much, it was the only warning I had there, and I liked the site overall. They always paid on time, and I don't mind having rules. I was annoyed about it, but I never had an issue again. Likely someone was just overzealous. They may be less so now. I stopped camming there because I had too many sites and had to whittle it down, but I would advise anyone who wants to give them a try to do so.

I'm glad you posted, though it just goes to show different people have different opinions on sites.

As with anything each individual has to try for themselves.

Also to answer Jane's original question from 3 pages ago, when I cammed on LJ I was always paid on time. I never had a warning or an issue there. However I was always logging off LJ because I has a private on another site. Eventually I stopped camming there because I wasn't putting any time into it. I contacted support twice for tech issues and the person I spoke with was helpful, solved my problem. I took pics with my digital camera, instead of webcam and they were accepted. It wasn't a DSLR just a point and shoot, so nothing fancy. Other people's experience clearly differ but that was mine. The traffic was mixed as with most sites some spenders and some beggars.

TL; DR Everyone experiences sites differently. LJ pays on time.

SarahTime
04-29-2014, 05:18 PM
I'm aware of the little orange arrows, which have nothing to do with me as I'm not in Europe, but I'm talking about voyeur views being charged at about 1/3 of what I was owed. A price per minute is a price per minute - where the guy comes from has nothing to do with it. All customers will buy credits in dollars.

Try to get some answers from customer support about why all show commissions are being paid in full minutes with no fractions.

It took me about 5 emails over 2 weeks to get an answer, and that was only because I was extremely persistent as they tried their best to fob me off with bs. I'll bet my bottom dollar they're skimming all the minute fractions off every private. it'll be hard to prove as you'd have to sit there with a stopwatch and check the pay immediately after a show.

After a full month of back and forth correspondence with tech support and accounting I'm concluding they're a bunch of scammers. It will take quite a bit of evidence to change my mind on that.

What's their pay out percentage you may ask them? Steamray: "it's 45% of 65%". Seriously? That doesn't sound like double talk scamming?

I think I'd take LJ's cam police over Streamrays bs if I had to make a choice. Rules vs scams - choose your poison.

You don't have to be in Europe for the VAT tax to come off your earnings. Any European customer you do a show with will have the VAT tax come off your earnings regardless of where you are located.

If where they are located had nothing to do with it they wouldn't have started labeling all foreign customers transactions with the VAT tax flag.

But this is the LJ thread so I won't bother to explain further. :)

AliceFun
04-29-2014, 08:55 PM
@ to Jane & CC members
Ok i wanted to let the mods take care of this issue but as they not available & u seem to have no remorse for the heavy insults u thrown over me like dumbass, idiot & such i am in the situation to answer u here and defend myself: you are a hypocrite cause all u do in here is to complain about how models show nudity in freechat, how do u know about it if u not watching them all the time? Obviously u watch others & bitch about it. The tits & ceiling cam view was said in a kidding way, i even stated i am kidding around but u felt attacked for no reason, u short fused & rude woman, i consider u ugly from the inside.
Shame on you for the words u insulted me with, i know i am smart, compassionate & good hearted person; people wanted to help giving u valuable input, how many of them u thanked for it in this thread? How many times u thank people for answering u in general in here?
I know u'll come up with even more nasty comments & i hope mods will tax u for it, i know how dirty u can play, i had to write this just now not for u only but for people in here, i dont want them to believe i am a coward & have no guts to stand for my point; that's my polite answer to ur rude post.

TheBrownFox
04-29-2014, 09:05 PM
u said i should not watch others unless we friends, u said it's creepy to watch and such. I watch rooms for research purpose & to learn, see how members react on different camming style & see models hustle & learn from it.
Love you, AliceFun! *hug* Love you too, Jane! Just wanted to add that I don't think there's anything "creepy" about watching another model's room...friend or not a friend (I do it too sometimes)...unless it's for the purpose of trolling/stalking/"stealing" tippers. Lots of cam girls on this forum have admitted to watching other models on cam. What's so bad about that? The only thing that's creepy, in my opinion, is when a model logs into her member account just to lurk a fellow model's room without saying a word...and then run away when the model greets her. Lol. I will never understand that.

TheBrownFox
04-29-2014, 09:22 PM
For the record, I don't think AliceFun was trying to be "negative" with her post. She had suggested that Jane make this the official LJ thread, because we don't currently have an official LJ thread, right? I think she was just giving her opinions on the site (since that's what this forum is for...to give honest opinions about each cam site). And from what I've read in the past on this forum and the AmberCutie Forum, LJ is like the site with the bad reputation among cam models. Has that changed recently?

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 09:48 PM
Seriously you are a drama queen. You started it and then cried when I responded. If you don't like the response then don't start a fight period. It's pretty damn simple and you keep dragging this out even more. Are you not bright enough to see that you were rude first? I consider you an idiot from the inside. All you do is cry all the time, grow up and move on already. Seriously no one on here cares if you were offended. They can go back and read what you posted which most agree was rude.

Once again you started it so shame on you for starting a fight you couldn't win. I appreciate the input from the others but you my dear took it to another level and keep poking at me. I suggest you stop or I am going to ask the admin to ban you since you started it and continue to try to ramp the drama up. I thank people on here all the time and I have been thanked more then you on here. I will post or bitch about whatever I want on here. I didn't realize I needed your permission first.

The mods will tax you for taking as thread and adding your personal attack on it. Pretty sure that's against the rules and I responded to your attacks. Next time keep the thread on topic and don't try to take a personal swipe at another cam performer. Most of us don't tolerate people being rude to us and will not stand for it. Stop playing a victim when you are the person that started it. I would have respect for you if you could just own up to it and not try to pretend you didn't do it. I am pretty forgiving but damn you are pushing it.



@ to Jane & CC members
Ok i wanted to let the mods take care of this issue but as they not available & u seem to have no remorse for the heavy insults u thrown over me like dumbass, idiot & such i am in the situation to answer u here and defend myself: you are a hypocrite cause all u do in here is to complain about how models show nudity in freechat, how do u know about it if u not watching them all the time? Obviously u watch others & bitch about it. The tits & ceiling cam view was said in a kidding way, i even stated i am kidding around but u felt attacked for no reason, u short fused & rude woman, i consider u ugly from the inside.
Shame on you for the words u insulted me with, i know i am smart, compassionate & good hearted person; people wanted to help giving u valuable input, how many of them u thanked for it in this thread? How many times u thank people for answering u in general in here?
I know u'll come up with even more nasty comments & i hope mods will tax u for it, i know how dirty u can play, i had to write this just now not for u only but for people in here, i dont want them to believe i am a coward & have no guts to stand for my point; that's my polite answer to ur rude post.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 09:51 PM
I love you too. I personally don't watch rooms anymore because a lot of other performers don't like it and some will fight if they find out. I have seen serious social media fights on it, so I just avoid it. There has been a lot of cam performer drama the last few months on Streamate and performers watching each other. One performer even paid and watched the show and the other performer called her out for watching and trying to steal idea's. It's crazy.



Love you, AliceFun! *hug* Love you too, Jane! Just wanted to add that I don't think there's anything "creepy" about watching another model's room...friend or not a friend (I do it too sometimes)...unless it's for the purpose of trolling/stalking/"stealing" tippers. Lots of cam girls on this forum have admitted to watching other models on cam. What's so bad about that? The only thing that's creepy, in my opinion, is when a model logs into her member account just to lurk a fellow model's room without saying a word...and then run away when the model greets her. Lol. I will never understand that.

JaneBurgess
04-29-2014, 09:54 PM
I meant some of the fighting was getting negative, not the opinions. She turned negative when she took a swipe at me which was not only uncool but rude as well. I would have changed it to the official thread but I honestly don't know how. It would be nice if one thread on here could not have some kind of drama.


For the record, I don't think AliceFun was trying to be "negative" with her post. She had suggested that Jane make this the official LJ thread, because we don't currently have an official LJ thread, right? I think she was just giving her opinions on the site (since that's what this forum is for...to give honest opinions about each cam site). And from what I've read in the past on this forum and the AmberCutie Forum, LJ is like the site with the bad reputation among cam models. Has that changed recently?

temptingmodel
04-29-2014, 09:59 PM
Im with Brown, this is actually a good thread. I can see both sides, been both sides. Im a cam popper in free chat but on the same token I hate others creeping me.


LJ does need a thread as well

being on the internet we tend to speak differently and take it in differently. Looking on the outside I enjoy this convo to a extent. I can agree and smh at some some. It is what it is
Working hard and lack of sleep do this. :)

loveshooks
04-29-2014, 11:08 PM
Ok i wanted to let the mods take care of this issue but as they not available

you're correct, sometimes we choose to keep working instead of responding immediately every moment people choose not to act like adults and resolve differences of opinion without flaming and vitriol. it is possible, for people to disagree and still treat one another with respect

points given, thread locked since y'all can't seem to let this silliness go

an LJ thread sounds like a good idea, hope someone starts one